Nothing in those "myths" can really be proven, because they are generalized ideas about a personal issue. That being said, I'd still like to answer them.

1. The issue is not whether or not porn cultivates a good relationship; it shouldn't need to do that. In some circumstances it could possibly add to a relationship, but that depends on the mentality of the people involved. In any event, if porn is a crutch for your relationship, the relationship has been over for a long time.

2. I don't know who watches porn for the aesthetics, but they need serious mental help if they do.

3. This is an extremely flimsy premise upon which to judge a subject. I'm not sure what negative means in this context, because porn affects people just as differently as a painting in a museum. I may just be a moral relativist, but I don't see how anybody could clearly outline this objectively.

4. Some of them do, and some of them don't. If a woman has a low IQ and double-D tits, maybe she likes the idea of driving her sports car to her mansion after a day of fucking on film, instead of busing tables at a diner for her apartment rent. I know I can't blame her. And the part about men respecting them...most of the porn stars probably don't care one bit. Maybe some of them are stronger than that, and don't need a man's respect to feel justified. Maybe some porn stars are strong feminists.

5. Once again, this is grasping for ideas outside of the necessary framework of a relationship. If a man has thoughts of being unfaithful, porn is not going to satisfy those urges. That's like saying I want to cheat on my math test, but instead I'll just watch a video of someone cheating on a math test. Not the same thing in the slightest degree. Cheating men cheat, regardless of the circumstances.

6. As if women are seduced into the line of work, only to find out they were horribly wrong and now have no hope of escape from this torturous prison of sexual slavery? Change the word "women" to "men", and this "myth" sounds ludicrous. Actually, it sounds ludicrous anyway. Oh, and what does the word "valuable" mean? How do we value value?

7. Just a regurgitation of number 5.

8. Who cares if women are empowered by porn? I'm a man and I've never felt empowered by my line of work. I've felt demeaned and enslaved, hollow and used. But never empowered.

9. Some people do, and that is their choice. It's also their choice to go to the ER after being unable to retrieve an object from an orifice. Porn is a fantasy, unless it's applied to real life. Just like a movie where a man interrupts the wedding of his one true love to steal her away from the heartless man she is about to marry. In reality, that gets you arrested for stalking. so yes, porn is a fantasy. But we must watch how we translate it into reality. If two consenting adults choose to do indescribable things to each other, that's their fun. And if one of them feels uncomfortable doing something, it is the other's responsibility to understand their need and find a solution that is equitable for both parties involved. No means no.

On a personal note, I don't really have a view of porn, either for or against. It serves a purpose for many people, and that is their deal, not mine.

Well, myth doesn't actually mean lie or theory. It means metaphor when speaking of comparitive-mythology, which is something you should read deeply into. Joseph Campbell talks about comparative-mythology largely in great books like The Hero with a Thousand Faces and, my personal favorite, The Power of Myth.

That aside, lies are lies and myths are myths. Religion is considered mythology by scholars. Psychology of sex is not. So, to say sexology is mythology, to me, is a bit of a stretch. Then again, I may be way off base.

>> ^blankfist:
Well, myth doesn't actually mean lie or theory. It means metaphor when speaking of comparitive-mythology, which is something you should read deeply into. Joseph Campbell talks about comparative-mythology largely in great books like The Hero with a Thousand Faces and, my personal favorite, The Power of Myth.
That aside, lies are lies and myths are myths. Religion is considered mythology by scholars. Psychology of sex is not. So, to say sexology is mythology, to me, is a bit of a stretch. Then again, I may be way off base.

*eye roll*

This is ridiculously irrelevant, but I'm going to address it, anyway.

From http://dictionary.reference.com:

Myth: an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

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Oh-oh, it's on.

Thanks for the copy and paste reference.com definition of myth. That's great if you want the English Exam question number nine on page six for that standardized test where no child is left behind. But, when you speak to a scholar (such as one so respected as Joseph Campbell) I really hope you can refrain from rolling your eyes, lest you will lose your argument. Joseph Campbell does, in fact, define Myth as a metaphor. If you want to dispute him, that is fine and great, in fact, I love that notion. But, please, please, give evidence outside of a pedestrian link to some homogenized dictionary definition.

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[settles in with bowl of popcorn and a Bombay Sapphire G&T]

Ugh, this again? Why all this hate for men and the things we do? Everything you hate about men and porn, I hate about women and shopping.

Let's do some women myths/truths:

1. Women shop as a creative outlet, because they have no creative outlet of their own, and believe that spending money is the equivalent to painting or sculpting.

2. Women purchase clothes that are too small, not because they are losing weight and will need it, but to entice themselves into a healthier lifestyle. They purchase their reward to incite the means!

3. Women judge other women on their shopping choices, and believe that cloth sewn together defines you as a person.

4. Women need 100 pairs of shoes, because they have thousands of tendril feet hiding up their skirts.

5. Women group together to shop, to empower themselves to be better consumers, without this power grouping they are vulnerable and may make poor decisions. Because the only decision worth making, is a decision supported by 3-4 espresso caffeinated air-heads.

How does it feel to be lumped together with a group of dumb people? Not good? Yeah, so don't lump us all in the same category. Thanks.

I'm not sure, but I think the Sift has a higher number of active female members than many popular sites. I generally think that this is because we are a tolerant and respectful bunch. Don't ruin it, Pinky. Some of the femme Sifters I've talked to get really irritated by college-freshman level feminism. Most of us have incorporated the ideals of equal rights between genders seamlessly into psyches, but in a more nuanced, sophisticated, and practicable way.

That said, what's your ultimate aim here? Surely it's not to eliminate p0rn, because that's not going to happen obviously. Do you want us to stop feeling desire when we look at women in sexual situations? That's not going to happen either because it's a natural response. Are you asking us to stop viewing porn? You have no right and that is incredibly presumptuous. Are you simply trying to make us feel bad about ourselves? That's just mean. If I wanted to feel guilty about it, I'd go to church.

Schmawy just said everything I wish I could say. And it's even better because Serious-Cat looks at you while he says it.

Speaking of avatars, do you realize what yours says to me, Pinky? I think I'm cute and I'm going to use my god-given attributes to advance myself. Sound familiar?

And I don't know why this is cross-posted to the main Sift Talk page. Clearly a femme and sexuality thread.

hello the 70s

Hey! SO....
Where is the mythology porn? Like some elves, fairies maybe a troll or two. I was hoping to see Dragons! I mean, err... I was just you know curious, you know, intrigued. Like you know, when 2 girls kiss or guys...

JTZ: Google "World of Porncraft"... there ya go.

schmawy, you're awesome.
all I gotta say is "ditto" to what schmawy said.
All of it.

K0MMIE: Best. Comment. EVAR.
Schmawy - also a great comment.
Laura - you kick ass. It's great to see someone without a Y chromosome saying shit like this is just stupid.

P.S. Why do guys watch porn?

You don't need a mother fucking study to find the answer.

They do it to get them off quicker. Seriously. That's it.

i'll add a myth: only men watch porn

and while I'm at it, why not recommend some good porn? Check out the movies by Tanya Hyde, maybe start with "house of shame" http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0405025/

www.cupido.no calls tanya hyde the best porn from a male director (his real name is trevor watson)

Stylistically his films are over the top, almost borderline surreal sometimes. lots of fetishes and kinky stuff, but always with lots of humor and enthusiasm and FUN.
Tanya Hyde is far far from that crap "bj, then fuck here and then there, and then come in the face" type of porn. British quality stuff

^thepinky:
In the meantime, try not to support the destruction of humanity's moral fabric too much.

Speaking of myths...

thepinky: What you're doing is called "projecting". You're taking the failure of the one man, and projecting it onto the rest of the gender, via what you believe to be one of the causes of his disorder: pornography. Stop stereotyping. Nobody appreciates it and neither do you.

In the meantime, try not to support the destruction of humanity's moral fabric too much.

Seriously?

Your comments tell me that you haven't really listened to a the people have been saying in the Dita and Femma threads. I think you just possess what all religious people possess, a conviction that others are living their lives in a improper fashion that you find immoral, you don't like it so you seek to change it.

Porn, murder, rape, pedophilia, violence, sexual abuse, drug use, alcohol abuse, war. None of that will ever change, because we are human beings are creatures of chaos born within a system of chaos. There are no angels, there are no demons. There is just people.

P.S.S.

The FAQ on that site you linked to cracks me up. THE VERY FIRST QUESTION she answers with a quote that claims all sorts of shit, yet offers NOTHING to back it up. Lulz.

Nice comments everyone. I'm over trying to make valid points to someone who is quite frankly making me embarassed to be female. Could I just say that if Jake Gyllenhaal, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, George Clooney, Ryan Gosling (and the list goes on and on) decided to all get their cocks out on screen and engage in acts of filth and depravity, i'd be the first in queue to objectify them

For all the Siftettes: hone your objectification skills with the following videos (NFSW):

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hot+men&search_type=&search=Search

Has no one else noticed the irony of this post being placed in the Lies channel?

here's a delicious indian man in blue underwear covered in foam in the bath tub
http://www.videosift.com/video/Footloose-Bollywood-style

Didn’t I read the other week that about 25% of internet users visit adult content websites occasionally? I guess that a further study would show that some of them are 13-year old males and some 80-year old females; some are in a relationship, others are single; some are total sex addicts and others are just curious; some watch porn alone, others together with their significant other. Not to mention the wide variety of porn out there: some of it is cute, lame, boring or sexy, but there’s a lot of shocking stuff as well. As for the actors: I guess, some are just curious and give it a try, are taken in by the glamour or are wanna-be movie stars, others are desperate for money or addicted to sex or victims of sexual abuse.

How could anyone generalise all those factors into some silly statistics or myths? You could easily ask the same questions with regard to food, games, and spending your weekend and the whole matter would be totally uninteresting unless it concerned fast food, violent games or binge drinking.

So Thepinky, what is it exactly that you want to learn from us?

All that being said, I do have One Serious Question about porn, that I’ve never been able to get answered: the cum shots. Especially on the face, sharing, licking &c (you know what I mean). Who wants them? As a woman, I find them totally repulsive, so maybe the shots are supposed to appeal to the male audience. But then, I find it hard to believe that any, in particular heterosexual, man would be aroused by watching another guy’s sperm splashing of the screen.

PS: @Kommie, you do know, don’t you, that women shop (and eat chocolate) as an outlet for not getting enough good sex ;-)?

@Octopussy

For the... money shots, I think its totally for male enjoyment, as a "Look what I made and look at these women enjoying my seed" moment. Maybe its a way of laying claim to the female, or some other thing buried DEEP in the male subconscious.

As for the chocolate, that may be true, I do know I have heard shopping as being an outlet for creativite thought. Then again, was that a myth or a truth!? OH NOES.

You know how dogs piss on a tree to mark their territory...

>> ^Octopussy:
All that being said, I do have One Serious Question about porn, that I’ve never been able to get answered: the cum shots. Especially on the face, sharing, licking &c (you know what I mean). Who wants them? As a woman, I find them totally repulsive, so maybe the shots are supposed to appeal to the male audience. But then, I find it hard to believe that any, in particular heterosexual, man would be aroused by watching another guy’s sperm splashing of the screen.

@Kommie

Sorry, that's not a myth, it's the absolute, total, utter truth: women are only interested in chocolate or shoes if they're seriously unsatisfied with their love lives (wait, seriously, let me get it, there is a website somewhere to support this...).

As for the money shots, that's exactly what made me wonder. I mean, you are looking at another guy's money shot/imprinting/territorial demarcation, aren't you? (To be honest, I've always wondered the same about guys visiting prostitutes and not using condoms.) So is the idea that you, any man watching, identifies with the male lead to the point where you think it's yours? Because, other/macho/Darwin-wise, I would think that it should be a serious turn off.

On the other hand, this might be the equivalent of my of Why Women Care About Fashion theory: let's face it, no (heterosexual) guy will ever notice new clothes, shoes, haircut, not to mention obscurities like handbags or a French manicure on your toe nails. But other women will, and thus send the message: this gall is hot and that is what guys respond to.

Wow, from cum shots to French manicures, I sure messed up this thread, didn't I?

Sorry, have to go back to youporn.com asap ;-).

PS: anybody claiming that shoe shopping is not being extremely creative is a male chauvinist pig ;-).

>> ^thinker247:
You know how dogs piss on a tree to mark their territory...
>> "



But, that is exactly my point: what's the use of all that territorial marking if the male audience is not put off or maybe even aroused by another guy's marking?

moneyshots are yucky, but they belong in a not so interesting genre of porn.
thats another problem with lots of the porn being produced, the men are often totally idiots, thats a huge turn off. and fake tittie fake blond fake enjoying girls with an idiot of a guy isnt sexy porn at all.

@Octopussy

I think it's a sense of suspension of disbelief, the porn is a fantasy, and as such you don't see it as another males fluid, but your own.

We merely identify with and relate to the territorial ownership procured by the protagonist in dealing with his newly-found conquest. In other words: Yeah, that's what I'd love to do to her, and this guy is the embodiment of my desires. He is the Godhead by which I measure myself, and his conquest is that which I would also love to tap.

But in all seriousness, it really is akin to a woman saying, "Look at her handbag! It's so great! I want one just like it!" Jealousy mixed with hopeful anticipation of someday being in that person's situation.

I can't believe I'm trying to scientifically justify watching some random guy cum on some random woman.

>> ^Octopussy:
>> ^thinker247:
You know how dogs piss on a tree to mark their territory...
>> "


But, that is exactly my point: what's the use of all that territorial marking if the male audience is not put off or maybe even aroused by another guy's marking?

I wonder...you certainly speak volumes about the objectification of women through pornography, but what about gay porn?

^agree with gunrock.

for better or worse porn is viewed mostly to get you off quicker.

for me it's for when i'm too lazy to dial up a memory or use my imagination, which is lame, but not because of the porn.

>> ^schmawy:
I'm not sure, but I think the Sift has a higher number of active female members than many popular sites. I generally think that this is because we are a tolerant and respectful bunch. Don't ruin it, Pinky.

Oh? And what's that supposed to mean? That because of one woman's anti-porn stance and her need to share that, you will all of a sudden become intolerant of women altogether? Please. And that because of your stance, the entire community will become intolerant and disrespectful? I highly doubt it.

@KOMMIE: All those generalizations listed are about porn, not necessarily about men. Two of them are solely about women. For you to come back the way you did was immature and really irrelevant.

@MG: Calling this "stupid shit" isn't necessary.

Re: moneyshots - The site thepinky addressed has quotes from pornographers, actors, etc. on this topic.

It's like a dog marking its territory. You know, why do dogs pee on fire hydrants and trees? I don't know. It's just like a man will leave his mark on a woman. You see something beautiful, you've got to let them know you were there.
-Pornographer Brandon Iron, explaining why men like to ejaculate onto women’s faces

and

"I'd like to really show what I believe the men want to see: violence against women. I firmly believe that we serve a purpose by showing that. The most violent we can get is the cum shot in the face. Men get off behind that, because they get even with the women they can't have. We try to inundate the world with orgasms in the face."
- Ex-porn actor and Free Speech Coalition board member Bill Margold

OK, so, hiyjacking this to somewhere slightly differnet (lots been said above on teh above)

What do people thingk about the semantics of "objectification"/"objectify" as it's often used. I dont hold with it. I dont get it. i dont think it makes verbal sence or adds meaning. i think its a semi transparent cloud, which people dont see but obfusicates parts of the issiue.

Why? because that it implies that to look at a person with lust is to look at the person "as though they were an object" and not as a person. but what does that alternative mean? i mean, what does "to look at some one as a person" mean? cos if that doesnt mean somehting how cna the other? also the other is a falacy. people dont look lustfully thinking, of what they are looking at as an object. people "get off" on the itneraction of two active personailities, not pasive ones. be it mutual respect, mutual affection, mutual passion, or, of dominance and submission (with either party being etiher) thye are not getting stimulouse from comparing the other party to a rock. or a tree with a whole in it.

i just dont think the word "objectification" stands up to any serious analysis and if im wrong i wnat to be told why, so i can understand.

QI! @Kommie & @thinker247, thanks for your insights (and my apologies to Thinker about having led you onto this repulsive scientific path ;-)). But, then for the ladies/grrrls sifters out there: how would you feel about a hot, steamy vid with George Clooney or Stephen Colbert covered in some other girl's liptstick? Would you fantasise about that being your mark or would you feel jealous?

And what about gay porn (no, I do not mean guys loving girl-on-girl action), is that different?

Gosh, I'm getting so totally absorbed in this discussion, that I haven't done my toe nails yet (and that with the weekend coming up).

oh, and this reminds me of the rather shallow sex and the city sceen where the slightly ditsy posh one (brunett) is having some panic about the idea of annal sex, being unsure how she feels, and gets the other 3 to join her in a cab where tehy discuss it (with more than 4 differnt views between the 4 of them) and the liberated blond saying that with the right person, its great, and it's jsut a hole, and she replying "i'm more than a hole!"... well of COURSE she is, just like im more than my damn penis. showing mutual respect is important, and yet as humans we are all capbale of direspect, and women are jsut as capable of being direspectfull of men and their bodys, as her reaction is a responce to presumed disrespect against hers. what anoys me, is that her reation seems to be presuptious of implied disrespect simply at the idea. and yet, as i understnad it, the guy had just raised the issiue as a possibility and left the idea with her to think about. thats NOT disrespectfull. her saying "no" is one thing. Her complaining the question is its self disrespectfull is not a good sign...

anyway, tis a tv show i clearly dont watch

There's "good" porn that's not demeaning to women, and then there's "bad" porn that is demeaning to women. To lump all them together is either reactionary, or intellectually lazy, or both.

The "destruction of morality's fabrics" can only occur on an individual basis, because there are absolutely NO universally accepted and eternal moral precepts. If you're an adherent of any of the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), you probably know that even God was a flip-flopper on what He considered right and wrong. So we should probably steer clear of such terminology.

The destruction of humanity's fabric occurs when we all start seeing the world in black and white, right and wrong, with NO middle ground. Discussing pornography is fine; discussing it in terms of "destruction of morality's fabric" is NOT fine.

>> ^LittleRed
Oh? And what's that supposed to mean? That because of one woman's anti-porn stance and her need to share that, you will all of a sudden become intolerant of women altogether? Please. And that because of your stance, the entire community will become intolerant and disrespectful? I highly doubt it.

Sorry LittleRed, I concede that my comment was somewhat reactionary. What I mean is that for the most part, the Sift transcends gender, and this feels like a big step backwards. I think I had been chatting with Choggie for six months before he got around to asking if I was a "chick or a dude", and there was a minimal amount of titillating content that I noticed on the Sift until Pinky started pointing them out. Now it's all sweaty and musky in here, and I find myself wondering about all the sexy Siftettes out there. It's distracting and counter-productive to the Pinky's goals.

Just noticed this from Pinky's post: "but if I have another mental lapse and decide to beat my head against the brick wall of your deluded minds (what I say, I say with love)"

Pinky I think you're a proselytizing throwback from a less enlightened era. I say this with love, of course.

Btw, where is Choggie? He cannot possibly have interpreted the ban that seriously. Has anything terrible happened in Texas? Please, don't tell me his real name is Jose Medellin. Siftbot, can we please have Choggie back? How on earth can we have this discussion without him?

@Octopussy

Humm. THe cum shot. well, porn can be shot in many many differnt ways. with teh actors enjoying it, and each other, or not, with dominance, or not with violance, or not. personaly, i hate violance. its a turn off. i dont like subjugation or any of that. i dont like seeing a man do that. I can try to blank it from my perception if its just a small facet of whats going on but i dont like it, and if its the focus, ill avoid. not my thing.
But, ejaculation can be done in many styles, as with all such things. it can be done with violence, teritory marking, or humiliation, but it isnt always. it could have her face crinigng and trying to pull away, but thats not nice (not for me atleast). but, it can also be done differntly.

how do i mean?

well, having her face in the camera allows her to show emotion, responce, desire, interest, and so on. having a female respond possitivly to signs of sex is a turn on. the chirstian cultres are so full of a tradition that "women dont enjoy sex and cant" that a woman showing she is participating and enjoying breaks that toboo and it can be very stimulating and exciting. also,... men can feel self consious. men can feel unapreciated. men can feel un desired. expressing that desire towards men is big on calm, encouregment, empowerment, and suport of the man in the act.

A face, is FAR more expressive than her back.

I know, far from all porn conveys the above, but some can. and quite alot contains atleast some of that.

also, if its a bj, then the "money shot" is kind of like the final proof of not faking it. genuingly desiring the result, not faking that, is a turn on.

speaking of faking, "faking orgasms" has been a part of recent culture it seems. everone knows about it. lots may have thought of it if not done it. personaly, i dont like the idea for many reasons i could go inot, but the fact that people do, shows similar reasoning to what ive described above.


As for the man and his pensi being in the shot, personaly, i dont like him. if his rediculously muscled, i like him even less. if hes a 15inch insanity, then its a freak show, not sex.
His penis, if normal, you can imagine as yourse, conceptualise as yourse, and feeds your fantisy and visual stimulation (the sole purpose of which is to make it easier to achive stimulation, more easily (and ocasionaly simply to make it possible atall)). The film something about mary, listed the post orgasm as the only time a mans head is clear of the stimulus of hormons. thers some nugets of truth in that, and to be freed/released form teh build of desire is a positive thing. anyway, back to the penis. visualy, you can imagine his penis is yourse, and ignore the rest of his body focusing on her. like ignoring the rest of the page when you concentraight on the one line you are reading, him you ignore. when he ejaculates, and her responce to that is positive, you imaine it is you shes responding to, and that she is positive towards the whole experience and your participation. its like an "hey, this is ok".

but everyone percieves these things differntly, anyone here that has looked at porn has probably done so for varied resons on varying ocasions, and we are all differnt.

Thats part of why the generalisations of porn dont hold. how tis made, varies hugly. it is ana mater tape, made with the clear knowledge of both partys and submited to the worlds view acordingly? or is it some studio production? is it focused on one audiance or antother. and who is watching adn why. it's not just 1 thing.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
There's "good" porn that's not demeaning to women, and then there's "bad" porn that is demeaning to women.


In which group does what I did to your mom last night go?

oh, and thats also why girl on girl hetero porn is so popular. there are two female bodys to look at, and no distracting male. and for thoes who are uncomfortable about homosexulatiy, there's no errect male penis, distracting and confusing them with its entrancing beauty...

sorry

Ah there's Blankety-Blank! Now we'll get this thread rolling.

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^kronosposeidon:
There's "good" porn that's not demeaning to women, and then there's "bad" porn that is demeaning to women.

In which group does what I did to your mom last night go?


Well I hope you filmed it.....just so I can give you an answer, that is.

A porn actor's explanation for something? No thanks.

All this talk of porn is making me horny.

And I am TOTALLY objectifying your avatars while I'm fantasizing. You're all just 2-dimensional, 100x100 pixel objects to me right now.

Don't tell me your names.

Your cow is looking at me funny. Sort of a come-hither gaze.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
And I am TOTALLY objectifying your avatars while I'm fantasizing. You're all just 2-dimensional, 100x100 pixel objects to me right now.
Don't tell me your names.


Actias luna

Sorry if it spoilt the mood

^I'm blocking your comments, effective immediately.

*smearing A$$ GR@V33 on KP's avatar*

You like that, you dirty cow? Huh? Does that erect your udders, Betsy?

Oi Pinky! Pinkyyyy?

^Yeah, no sign eh? I'm going to go download some porn while I wait...

oh again...PORN Subject. *sits and places pillow behind head*

*Zzzzz*

Some porn is good - some porn is bad. Some people watch way too much.

That's it.
I go to sleep now

^(Pirate Wesley)I do not envy the headache you will have when you awake. Until then sleep well, and dream of large women.

Alleging that porn is wrong on the internet is akin to walking into a bar proclaiming the evils of alcohol. You're free to make your point, but you're likely to get your ass kicked.

Please don't ban porn! Don't make me return to the zoo to watch the monkeys fuck!

Wow, this thread hasn't even been here for 24 hours, and everything constructive I wanted to add has not only been said, but probably said better than I would've wound up saying it.

That is to say, I love this place.

Since I've been robbed of the opportunity to constructively add to the discussion, I will give a different kind of contribution.

>> ^K0MMIE:
JTZ: Google "World of Porncraft"... there ya go.


Dude, it's World of Whorecraft.

Pornography is ultimately deconstructive to healthy relationships. Just about any marriage councilor will confirm this. It degrades those involved with it. Some may disagree with it that but everyone should remember the sick feeling that accompanys the first few time one sees pornography. That's , in my opinion, a God given instinct to turn away from the filth.

Yes porn is attractive, especially to the male psyche. But it's incredibly damaging to ones relationships and how they view members of the opposite sex.

Boy, am I late to the punch here. Still, I think I might be able to add something deconstructive here (uh, sure) so batter up...

1. Porn cultivates good relationships.

As was mentioned somewhere above in this giant mass of thread, it can be a nice addition to an existing relationship, to get the old mind-juices flowing and liven up the old sex life. Sort of like eating vanilla cake, but then eating the same vanilla cake for years, and then realizing you can put strawberries on it, and all of a sudden vanilla cake with strawberries is the best thing you've ever eaten.

2. Porn is for men who sincerely appreciate the beauty of the female body.

I'd agree that this is a myth, except that I don't know anyone who thinks this, and it misses the point. Porn is for getting yourself excited in that special way that makes you feel all warm inside when you don't have a person to get you all warm on the outside too. Among other things. Of course, sex is mainly mental to begin with, so appreciation of beautiful bodies helps.

3. Porn is harmless and it has no negative effect on the person using it.

I also drink alcohol and curse.

4. Strippers and porn stars lead glamorous lives, and men respect them.

Glamorous? Maybe on screen, but there's effort involved -- Porn is hard work, you know. I don't know any strippers or porn stars personally, so I can't say I respect or disrespect any of them. I'm trying to be funny here, but this "myth" is so far off base I'm having trouble linking it back to reality. Come on, throw me a bone here!

5. Men like variety in women so porn use helps a man stay faithful to his woman.

You know, I think you're getting your information from a questionable source. This list isn't "Common myths about porn," it's "lame excuses men tell their wives to justify watching porn in a sitcom." Though as a man, I do like variety, so I recommend roleplay. You know what I'm talking about; I've already explained that strawberry thing.

6. Women who get involved in the porn industry choose to do so, and they have valuable careers.

"Everybody needs money! That's why they call it money!"
Too bad I've only seen the first hour of The Heist. This one I can't really argue with, but only because it's true about every career. This has been pointed out above, but just like anything else, there's people who have a career and there's people who just have a job. Then there's people without a job, and without a career, and there's people who have tons of money and just drive around all day looking for things to throw money at, and now I'm completely off track.

7. Porn is an outlet or safety valve for men who would otherwise do Bad Things.

This is patently false. Everyone knows the safety valve for men who would otherwise do Bad Things is video games. Except it always goes HORRIBLY WRONG. And then students end up getting hurt because other students were playing those MURDER SIMULATORS all day. Won't anyone think of the children? Why does no-one listen to Jack Thompson!? Oh wait I'm off topic again.

8. Women who work in porn are empowered and sexually liberated.

Damn I'm having trouble making this stuff funny. You know what, I'm going to pass on this one.

9. Porn is just a fantasy and people do not apply it to real life.

Completely false. I watched a porn once where a guy has sex with three women in the span of fifteen minutes, but then the guy turns into a girl and the three women turn into a tiger, a monsterous tentacle beast, and a plant. Then the girl has to run away from the tiger, but she's trying to make out with the plant, and the tentacle beast is just busy eating popcorn. I know this is not fantasy because it happened to me when I was 19.

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So there you have it. As a bonus, since this thread is about porn myths, I feel it only appropriate to add a few of my own myths about porn that are harmful to people.

10. Sexual partners always climax at the same time, even if they've just met.

11. Sex is always satisfying, and everyone feels loads of sexual pleasure effortlessly.

12. Sex is always accompanied by an appropriate soundtrack.

13. The quality of any sexual act is directly proportional to the amount of noise both sexual partners make.

14. The only appropriate things to say during sex are "Give it to me," "Oh yeah baby," and "Yes, yes, yes." Moaning is also appropriate.

15. The best way to get a woman to sleep with you is to be a domineering asshole. Wait a minute...

So despite the fact that nobody will mistake me for a professional comedian, I've hopefully made you laugh just a bit. Because one of the best things to do when confronted with an emotionally charged topic (oh crap he's getting serious, why don't I have a dental appointment lined up) is to laugh at it a bit and take the edge off. Judging from previous replies to this thread, I think a bunch of Sifters already get it.

MYTH NUMBER THE FIRST.

I don't know if porn really cultivates good relationships, but in my experience it doesn't particularly damage them either. It depends entirely on the person...I know peeps that watch porn for the terrible plots, for comedy more than for arousal.

MYTH NUMBER THE SECOND.

True enough, some Men appreciate the male body

MYTH NUMBER THE THIRD.

This one I agree with as well. I've known people who have been addicted to porn, it happens on rare occasions. I've also known people who have ruined their lives through alcohol. As ever, its all about moderation.

FOUR

Its a Myth.

FIFTH

Yeah, I don't really think that masturbating to a red head or blonde is going to make a guy less likely to cheat on his brunette. However, some people make polygamous relationships work. Fantasising about a girl in a porno is ok even in a monogamous relationship as long as your partner is ok with it. (rare I know, but still...)

SIX

Some people can make valuable careers out of it. I'm not sure I'd want my daughter doing it, but you know, lets dismiss the myth that the porn industry is a wasted career.

SEVEN

Ha! When you meet a man that uses this one stay the fuck away

EIGHT

Hard to say, I guess you'll never know until you're a porn star.

NINE

Its a fantasy for me!


I certainly don't think porn is destroying society, and I don't think it has to be especially sexist or demeaning of women either. I don't think I'd want porn, or even sex, to become a conversation topic over dinner, I still want it to remain a little scandalous, but I do tire of the constant vilification of pornography. A massive percentage of males regularly watch pornography, and we aren't all a bad bunch. The fact that a relatively small amount of women watch porn is perhaps because so much of it is targeted at men, and this is perhaps because the entire concept of porn doesn't appeal to most women.

porn doesnt destroy relationships, people destroy relationships.

and look, i posted my trying to pose like sexy horatio cane picture sincerely hoping someone will objectify me.

^condsider yourself objectified.
Also, guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Also, drugs aren't bad, people are bad.
Also, I had a point but started laughing at myself when I tried typing "people" the third time and came up with:
"people"
"peo.ple"
"peopl.e"
It's dark in here.
"That's all I have to say about that." ~ Forrest Gump

oh, also, I sift drunk while watching/listening to porn in another tab.

my girl likes harder porn than i do. our relationship is fine because we are not idiots, but gorgonheap is right, if you are not intellectually capable of understanding the meaning of love, porn is gonna fuck you up. i know a couple of virgins who will probably go at it pornstyle when they finally get laid, "just like in the movies". that's not good.

1. Porn cultivates good relationships. --- Porn has little or nothing to do with relationships. A relationship that is centered around, or influenced by, porn isn't much of a relationship to begin with. I've watched porn with girlfriends, but it was kind of distracting and unfulfilling. I really don't think porn has a lot to do with relationships any more than dreaming does.

2. Porn is for men who sincerely appreciate the beauty of the female body. --- It's less an appreciation for women's bodies than it is a need to see those bodies in order to gratify themselves and release some tension.

3. Porn is harmless and it has no negative effect on the person using it. --- It can be addicting, but certain people seem to need it more than others, kind of like booze.

4. Strippers and porn stars lead glamorous lives, and men respect them. --- As compared to what? A bank teller or a waitress? Some lead glamorous lives, most don't. Respect? That depends, too, on the woman and the man. Just as there are some real creeps in that crowd, there are some real bitches, too.

5. Men like variety in women so porn use helps a man stay faithful to his woman. --- Porn has little or nothing to do with relationships. Porn is a device used by some people to amuse themselves or satisfy themselves or relieve themselves with an orgasm, arguably one of the most pleasant experiences known to humanity. The impact that porn has on a person's fealty to his or her lover is usually nil.

6. Women who get involved in the porn industry choose to do so, and they have valuable careers. --- Most, obviously, choose to do so, as do the men. Rarely does a woman make a porno with someone holding a gun to her head. Some do have successful careers, like Christie Canyon or Nina Hartley. The same is true for the men, like Peter North. It comes with a price, of course, but the stigma of being in a porno has lessened greatly over the years.

7. Porn is an outlet or safety valve for men who would otherwise do Bad Things. --- Probably false on the whole. Again, the relationship between porn and human interactivity is almost nonexistant. Rapists don't need porn, they need rape. Pederasts don't need porn, they need little boys. People who need porn usually have some kind of hightened or unique sexual urge that is not being satisfied and porn is the only course to achieving that satisfaction.

8. Women who work in porn are empowered and sexually liberated. --- As opposed to women who don't work in porn who are empowered and sexually liberated? Porn is a job. Few jobs are empowering or sexually liberating.

9. Porn is just a fantasy and people do not apply it to real life. --- Overall, that's true. People who like and use porn are usually more imaginative than those who don't. The kind of people who have to apply things to "real life" are usually not users of porn. I would say that most people who use porn get to a point where they have to fetishize some aspect of it to keep from being bored. It's an outlet, a distraction, and ultimately very private in nature.

In your scenario, pornography is a scapegoat for something deeper. If a healthy relationship doesn't already have porn involved, then bringing it in only confirms that the relationship was already in trouble. There is no possible way for pornography to ruin a healthy relationship; it can only deepen a divide that was already introduced.

The first time I saw a pornographic movie, I was 12 years old. And you know what? I didn't have a God-given sick feeling. I had a God-given erection.

And I'm really tired of hearing how porn changes the way different sexes view each other. When I was a child my mother taught me to respect women, and to treat them as equals. This was before I ever saw pornography.

I've now been viewing porn for 15 years, and I've seen nearly everything imaginable...and some things unimaginable. But my view of women outside that fantasy world has not changed. I still respect women. I open the door for them, I pull out the chair for them. And above all, I treat them as my equal, as is proper.

I am smart enough to separate the world of pornography from the world that surrounds me, because I understand the distinction between images on a screen and the wonderful women that I have met through the years. I will continue watching porn as long as it suits me, and I will never blur the line between fiction and reality.

>> ^gorgonheap:
Pornography is ultimately deconstructive to healthy relationships. Just about any marriage councilor will confirm this. It degrades those involved with it. Some may disagree with it that but everyone should remember the sick feeling that accompanys the first few time one sees pornography. That's , in my opinion, a God given instinct to turn away from the filth.
Yes porn is attractive, especially to the male psyche. But it's incredibly damaging to ones relationships and how they view members of the opposite sex.

^woohoo. Is there really anything more to add? Everyone's comments have blown pinky's post into orbit. It's time to make your closing argument now love, cos i'm bored of this continuous circle of reasonable thought. We need more pointless musings and half witted, half processed beliefs to kick-start this thread back into something worth spending any more time on. *picks toenails*

Pinky is a troll, nothing more. She posts ludicrous claims, then leaves as we squabble.

When I saw the title "Pornography Myths". I thought we were going to be talking about that hot pizza delivery girl that came to my house last week. Oops.

Sometimes we just don't have enough time for candles and soft sheets.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
P.S. Why do guys watch porn?
You don't need a mother fucking study to find the answer.
They do it to get them off quicker. Seriously. That's it.


If all emotions are a system of chemicals in the human brain, then it does make sense that lust, love, the O face are all caused by chemical reactions. Thus chaos reigns. No matter how much control is exerted on the chemicals the reaction can still not be controlled completely.

All emotion is a chemical reaction, so why are we arguing about a stimulus that fires a chemical reaction in a human brain, stimulus being pron.

^Upvote because I can't believe this conversation went this long with no mention the O face until now.

I like the idea of personal choice and not being bound by everyone else's "moral fabric". There is a moral zeitgeist, which can be sort of diagrammed as a bell curve - most people are in the middle and a few are at the extremes. If we cut off the extremes and enforce the centralized moralities, we limit the personal choices of individuals. Thought Police for the lose.

The above myths are themselves myths. Some times they are true and some times they are not. Individuals differ.

I come here only because I Love To vote for people comments lol ^ ^

Edited* The ones that are worthwhile and make me laugh at this nonsense post.

I have nothing against porn, although it is usually not very sexy, and there are way too many cocks and balls flying around.
On the other hand (hehe), damn!, pinky´s avatar is so hot.

All of this is Lady's fault, if she hadn't of posted that darned burlesque sick shit in the first place... Oh and I wager 10 quid on 75% of the blokes here already having bashed one out to Pinky's avatar to make a point

<edit> plus one femme

I like porn. I like to masturbate to porn. What do you want? Do you want me to say that because I watch porn I can't respect a woman? That's just fucking retarded. I don't respect women on individual bases just like any other human. Don't try and compensate for your personal lack of abilities or prudish beliefs by creating an attack on something you know nothing about.

Oh yea, that website f*ckin blows

IMO - That website focuses more on selling t-shirts than anything else. Twenty-four thousand t-shirts sold. Someones making a killing.

I bashed one out to your avatar, alien_concept. Johnny Depp in makeup is hot!

I bashed one out to rottenseed's too.

This is great little thread here. Sorry I missed the beginnings. Well said folks.

Well Pinky has yet to make her final arguments. I'm curious, Pinky, do you have a religious upbringing? Your opinion is much like mine at 25. Really when you take religious sentiment out of the equation then porn becomes what it actually is.... just naked people doing what they do. Harmless really.

I'm a little hypocrite ever so often.. Like the time last year when my kid stumbled across some porn site home page when she was googling gerbil pregnancy trying to find out how long her pets had before giving birth. I was anti porn for about 3 weeks then. It's easy to let those puritan knee-jerk reactions cloud your judgement Having kids sometimes complicate my opinions too.

I must say I'm a reformed (ocassional) porn movie watcher w/ my husband. We rented something "Big and Black" about a month ago. Hilarious and frightening. Some of these guys are freakishly equipped.

That being said.. I'm interested in the entertainment possibilities of "myth porn". Shall we coin a genre?

can one really "coin" a genre?

oh.... sorry wrong room again, i see you guys are.... busy, i'll come back later, awfully sorry bye sorry bye

>> ^eric3579:
IMO - That website focuses more on selling t-shirts than anything else. Twenty-four thousand t-shirts sold. Someones making a killing.

Let's just see who is exploiting who.

Anyone else want to reply to this article, or is it just Rottenseed?

^LOL

I would like to see a *.xxx top level domain, though.

That would help filter the porn a lot. It could be voluntary and I'll bet 95% of the pornographers would use it. I don't know why they haven't done it yet. I think it would solve a lot of problems with people stumbling upon porno pages unintentionally.

There is this site that scrapes the last images uploaded to Live Journal. I used to love it, but now some idiots are uploading porn to LJ all the time and it's really taken a lot of the fun out of it. It used to be a kind of snapshot at the general web gestalt, but it's become just another seedy spammers playground.

I am a porn advocate, in that I don't think it should be illegal and I think people deserve their privacy, but I am for keeping it in its place, which is to say keep it in the bedroom and off the dinner table.

>> ^blankfist:
Anyone else want to reply to this article, or is it just Rottenseed?

I wanna holler the loud funny words!

I like Darren. He is my friend. I like you and him. He likes me... And I like him. He likes you, I HOOOOOOPE!

I like his autograph. It is a NICE picture. He is NIIIIIICE!

>> ^blankfist:
Anyone else want to reply to this article, or is it just Rottenseed?


That was the best craigslist ad I have ever read.

As far as porn, people who are too mentally fucked up to have a healthy sense of the world around them should not attempt to tweak the world to fit their particular form of psychosis.

(If ^that's as obscure as I'm now realizing it probably is, watch this.)

Hmm, I hadn't thought of that, but now that you say it..
I can't stop this feeling, deep inside of me

>> ^alien_concept:
Oh and I wager 10 quid on 75% of the blokes here already having bashed one out to Pinky's avatar to make a point

Myth ?

Porn just removes the loosers from genetic pool by making them forgot to reproduce with real people.

>> ^Bakalex:
Myth ?
Porn just removes the loosers from genetic pool by making them forgot to reproduce with real people.


I think the "loosers" are the ones that ARE breeding.

Wow, you sure hit on a popular topic pinky... posted a day ago, and 98 replies.

My problem with your post?

You list a collection of EASILY shot down, ridiculous arguments as if they are things that those of us that are ok with porn believe in. Which makes it really easy to defend your position because you've preset the bar really low on your opponent's side.

I have stated my views on porn on this site a number of times, but they go something like this:

* Pornography, something made to sexually arouse someone is not in any way inherently wrong, how can you suggest that making someone turned on is a bad thing?

* There is a LOT of sleaze and sadness in the porn world. This is my fundamental issue with porn. In a perfect world, all the people involved in the production of porn would be enjoying themselves, would be treated with utmost respect and be unashamed of what they do. In the real world the majority of people involved in it do so because they need the money and couldn't be bothered/haven't had the opportunity to get a 'real' job that pays as well. This really affects my enjoyment of porn because I keep being snapped out of the fantasy when I think of how much the actress (and sometimes the man) is not enjoying herself. There ARE movies which show REAL couples enjoying themselves together in front of a camera with someone they really care for/love, and do so because it turns them on, and these are sensational (well, the idea is, the only one I watched was not great). But the sad truth is that most porn out there features people that would rather be doing something else.

* There is a disturbing trend towards humiliation in porn that I've seen these days. The treatment of women as mere objects to fuck, and to do so in the most savage way possible really, really disturbs me and makes me feel concerned for the general mindset of men at the moment towards women.

* But that doesn't mean that I rule out porn entirely, I enjoy porn, I enjoy adult entertainment, I enjoy it with my wife on occasion and it makes for a fun and erotic time. BUT you have to hunt down the porn that is pro women in the way things happen on screen (women are pleasured, treated well, with respect), shows respect and basically just leads to a great feeling of heightened eroticism. It can help to have a couple explore their fantasies and communicate things they'd like to try. But throw in a bit of humiliation or mistreatment and it can ruin it for everyone as we don't want to see that kind of crap.

Pornography in and of itself is not bad, there is plenty of bad pornography out there, but there's also plenty of good porn too. So I do condemn a lot of porn I've seen snippets of, and lament that there isn't a higher percentage of the type of porn that shows people treating each other with respect in a sexual way. If there was more of that I think the entire industry could be better for it, rather than heading down the track of 'the dirtier, the filthier the better', as that's a path to complete self destruction and they'll just find their position so hard to defend as almost no decent person can defend something which denigrates others so much.

So... there, you got another huge response from me... dang you!

I just don't see how people can take porn seriously at all. It's hilarious. I've not seen much I must admit, but most of it the acting is so bad in the beginning, you're just snickering through out the thing. The music also greatly adds to the humor.

Porn is like booze, anyone who "needs" it to do anything is a seriously bent unit. If you need alcohol, you're an alcoholic. If you need porn, you need to get your head straightened out... or a partner...

>> ^K0MMIE:
Pinky is a troll, nothing more. She posts ludicrous claims, then leaves as we squabble.


Ah! So that's where she's been hiding!

I'm not anti-porn; I'm anti-porn in relationships. I agree with gorgonheap 100%. Porn is destructive to healthy relationships. I realize most of the guys on this site are porn connoisseurs and don't want to hear it. However, if you look at the research, you might be in for a surprise. From a 2004 Time article:

"[Psychologist] Mark Schwartz, director of the Masters and Johnson clinic in St. Louis, Mo., says porn not only causes men to objectify women—seeing them as an assemblage of breasts, legs and buttocks—but also leads to a dependency on visual imagery for arousal."

And I realize you [generalization] don't care for the site that thepinky references, but please just take a look at the quotes on this site. The last three are quotes from a book and from a researcher. I understand they're not what you want to hear, and you might think they're extreme cases - the second quote from a wife of a porn user certainly is. I have heard complaints similar to the ones Ana Bridges identifies. Women don't want to think their significant other is thinking about anyone but them when they're doing the deed. Use of pornography gets a lot of women second-guessing.

Dr. Phil has a message board dedicated to women whose lives and marriages have been torn apart because of porn. One woman: "...laying in bed hurt because he would rather be on the computer. Before porn I never found myself alone at bedtime." This is an excerpt from a great message from a women... I wish I could link to the individual messages.

"These days, if you're anti-porn, you're called "insecure" and "behind the times". I assure you it is because I HAVE self esteem that I'm anti-porn. These men are deluding themselves about what they're actually witnessing. It's all an ACT. It's PRETEND. And maybe that's just what they want...pretend sex. I have been through the whole porn thing with my ex...whom I was married to for over 20 years. I understand the pain of being lied to...and substitued. Porn IS a substitute...and if they don't think so, they're in denial about the whole thing. What better way for a man (or woman) to come home from a long hard day, and that night have a wonderfully emotional loving experience with the woman he professes to love?

...[hypothetical situation to another poster on the board] If he were the jealous sort, and his wife loved innocent, harmless flirting...yet it caused him considerable pain, isn't that along the same lines? HE would be asking her to stop doing something that *she* loved to do. Because it caused him PAIN. I just don't think these men understand the true amount of pain that this causes to the women. It has NOTHING to do with esteem issues."

She goes on, and I think it's a great post, but way too long to quote the entire thing.

For those of you disagreeing with the concept that porn is inherently wrong or bad, I agree to a point. Porn itself doesn't cause problems - porn in a relationship likely will.

>> ^LittleRed:
I'm not anti-porn; I'm anti-porn in relationships. I agree with gorgonheap 100%. Porn is destructive to healthy relationships.

I will agree that if porn is being used by one partner on their own then this can be true. If you are occasionally using it together as a special thing you do once in a while then this blanket statement is a load of crap.

Of course, even if you are using it together, if one of those in the relationship is only doing it because the other wants to, that too is not going to end well. But if you are a couple who occasionally likes to watch 'nice' porn together, there is NOTHING bad about that.

End of story, don't try to generalize yourself out of it... it all comes down to individuals.

>> ^spoco2:
Of course, even if you are using it together, if one of those in the relationship is only doing it because the other wants to, that too is not going to end well. But if you are a couple who occasionally likes to watch 'nice' porn together, there is NOTHING bad about that.
End of story, don't try to generalize yourself out of it... it all comes down to individuals.


I'm not trying to "generalize myself out of" anything. I have never posted my complete thoughts on porn anywhere on any forum. I'm just now posting my thoughts to let them be heard, because I think thepinky's side of the argument (or a similar belief, anyway) isn't getting the chance to be heard.

Watching porn together is something completely different, though it's not something I am personally comfortable with. I have yet to meet a woman who suggests to her significant other "Hey, let's sit down and watch some porn tonight. You know, get us in the mood." That's not to say they're not out there, and it appears as though many of the other women on this site are of that persuasion. If porn is something you're comfortable with, great. By all means, watch it together. But as you said, if it is something that's done because the male half wants to, that's the start of the downward spiral.

>> ^LittleRed:
I'm not trying to "generalize myself out of" anything. I have never posted my complete thoughts on porn anywhere on any forum. I'm just now posting my thoughts to let them be heard, because I think thepinky's side of the argument (or a similar belief, anyway) isn't getting the chance to be heard.
Watching porn together is something completely different, though it's not something I am personally comfortable with. I have yet to meet a woman who suggests to her significant other "Hey, let's sit down and watch some porn tonight. You know, get us in the mood." That's not to say they're not out there, and it appears as though many of the other women on this site are of that persuasion. If porn is something you're comfortable with, great. By all means, watch it together. But as you said, if it is something that's done because the male half wants to, that's the start of the downward spiral.


I meant that you stated that porn in relationships was bad, as a blanket statement.

And my wife is always the one to suggest watching porn when we do, as I wouldn't want to suggest such a thing when she isn't in the mood, it's very much an occasional thing, and something done when people are in that mindset.

Plus a number of her friends aren't adverse to a bit of it either. I would say either you haven't been that close with many women, or your circle of friends is a little on the conservative side. But by that I don't mean to imply that there's something wrong with you if you don't like porn, yeash, it's not like I think anyone needs porn, I just think more women like it that you may think... as an occasional thing, and of the right 'sort'.

O-Face! Post ending in 69 gets an internet!

This is entertaining and I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said -- except to schmawy, you cute little kitty you: it's "pr0n", not p0rn. You know, like prawn.

>> ^Payback:
Porn is like booze, anyone who "needs" it to do anything is a seriously bent unit. If you need alcohol, you're an alcoholic. If you need porn, you need to get your head straightened out... or a partner...


That's a gross oversimplification, and not very insightful.

Also, if it wasn't for pr0n, I'm not entirely certain I would be using this handle.

I'm supporting the destruction of humanity's moral fabric. I'm doing it while typing with one hand.

I love that everyone who is against porn is also inherently pro multiple partner sex.
For porn to not have a market, people would have to be filling that need (the reason one would watch porn, whatever that is) with something else in their lives.
If these anti-porn people really believe that porn is for a man a substitute for having sex with another woman (which is really what you are saying) then it could be deduced through said anti-porn argument that you wish that they were really fucking someone else instead.
You cry equality, so that means that subconsciously you are wishing the right to have multiple sex partners yourself.
You still want a commited, loving relationship.
It's called "swinging". (I hate that word)
http://www.swinglifestyle.com/

>> ^alien_concept:
Oh and I wager 10 quid on 75% of the blokes here already having bashed one out to Pinky's avatar to make a point

Your use of the word "bash" took all the air out of my balloon.

"...laying in bed hurt because he would rather be on the computer. Before porn I never found myself alone at bedtime."

Think about what she's saying. She saying that their marriage was fine until he started watching porn. But is it porn that ruined the relationship, or was it the fact that the husband suddenly wanted a computer image rather than his wife? This has nothing to do with porn. It's the mentality of the husband that is the problem.

For example, what if it was hanging out at a bar with his friends rather than porn? Or what if the wife was home alone every night because the husband was busy working late? Don't blame the symptom for the disease.

>> ^LittleRed:
I'm not anti-porn; I'm anti-porn in relationships.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

There are a lot of porn defenders in this thread. Though I don't think it's the bogeyman that pinkie does- I think a lot of people are kidding themselves about the effect it has on themselves and those around them.

For many, many people it's a crutch and it can be pretty addictive.

>> ^dag:
There are a lot of porn defenders in this thread. Though I don't think it's the bogeyman that pinkie does- I think a lot of people are kidding themselves about the effect it has on themselves and those around them.
For many, many people it's a crutch and it can be pretty addictive.


Shhh dag...some people here are trying to watch porn...

>> ^dag:

For many, many people it's a crutch and it can be pretty addictive.


Well so can the internet, alcohol, sex, beating people up, taking drugs. Shit I know people who get shakes if they dont get a cup of coffee every morning.

Alot of things are pretty addictive and become a crutch.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

^true but not all of those things are wired directly to the pleasure center of my brain.

I see porn on just about the same level as weed.

Actually all activities are wired to the pleasure center of the brain whether you like it or not. This is why certain activities are pleasurable in the first place and become needful over time, consider that some people feel totally lost without being able to check their email for a long stretches of time, the activity of being in tune has become pleasurable, checking the sift has become pleasurable on the same level people went to Cheers. This phenomena is also seen for people who love food, eating food has become pleasurable and in very many cases it is for all of us, I love sushi, I can hardly pass it up if offered.

Conversely certain activities become not only pleasurable but dependable. Weed by itself is not addictive on the same level as heroine (since that is chemically and physically addicting) but it can be if it fulfills a certain psychological need of the individual using it.

People mistake that for addiction by usage when its addiction by individual, because some people who smoked weed don't do so now, some who tried don't like it.

The same applies to pornography, alcohol or food. For some it becomes addicting for others its occasional.

On the other hand pornography will always be liked to the pleasure centers of our brains, as much as we like to avoid it, we are basically vessels for the propagation of our DNA, thus of course we would love to be exposed to anything remotely resembling the act of sex eventually.

At the end of the day the argument of time stands, we have had porn and pornography since the beginning of time, prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. Yet we all managed to survive and over time have seen only the betterment of relations between men, female rights and human rights. There is a ways to go but society didn't become a moral abyss like Pinky would make it seem.

You know when the Internet came about the first large investor in it was actually the porn industry, they are the first to introduce e-commerce as a way for paying for subscription based services. Streaming video and flash was also picked up first by pornography. When HD-DVD and Blu-ray came about they were the first people to publish high definition pornography.

Alot of media was driven by the porn industry. I think it's a side of humanity alot of people can't really accept openly and would rather sweep under the rug. But it's there. It's inherently who we are as a species. We like to fuck. We like to watch others fuck too.

Just out of curiosity, what is the men to women ration here? Is there separate stats for active female members and those that are just signed up? I'd be interested to know anyway

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Farhad

You make some good points- and you are right that anything can become habituated, but an orgasm (let's be honest about what we're talking about here) is a shade different in the potential for reinforcement than say, biting your nails.

Also, I understand that erotic art has always been a part of human culture - but did people really whack off to naughty Grecian urns? How does that compare with the fare on YouPorn?

I agree that having an orgasm is another level, but that is natural as well as I mentioned earlier our minds are entirely wired to derive alot of pleasure form the act of sex.

With regards to whacking off to urns to YouPorn, that is simply an evolution of mediums, the Kamasutra was written several thousands of years ago, alot of Indian temples are covered with scandalous carvings, there lots of porn illustrations from the 1700s and 1800s, scandalous literature was also rather common in France and Europe, also I think you should consider that during Grecian times we also had state sanctioned brothels, orgies were also quite common, a man could have any woman or boy as a right via force. Almost every perverted Roman emperor from Nero to Caligula indulged in far greater sexual excesses then anyone does in our time.

Any new medium will also be used to transmit this most basic act of man, I believe that when we have VR, sexual stimulations will be the first and most popular application.

My whole point is that a frank examination of humanity would leave no doubt in the fact that we are in many ways sexually repressed, this is something that has been dealt over the last few decades, but still we have alot of hang ups about sex. I remember a conversation I had with a strict Muslim, I asked him why would God would make sex so pleasurable if it was so inherently dirty? He couldn't really provide an answer.

I believe the more you push something out of society and marginalize it, the more seductive it becomes for the next generation because it's restricted or wrong. I grew in the 80s with D.A.R.E. and all those "Winners Don't Use Drugs" bullshit on my SNES games, you know whats the first thing I tried? But then I realized that the mystique of this was all that really attracted me, something i have seen with alot of friends of mine from Netherlands, drug use and availability is such a given they don't really care about it.

The same applies to sex and it's repression. My parents are doctors so they never really were squeamish about explaining birth and sex, they didn't even have to, all the medical books around the house and watching documentaries and nature programs already explained it all anyway. So when I got online and found porn it wasn't really surprising at all. It was a given. I didn't have any hang ups about it. I didn't go mental over it, it wasn't a hang up, I didn't walk around stalking girls and trying to rape them.

I live in a strict sexually repressed society now, and I can see it's tolls, people are so hanged up about sex here yet all watch it through proxies and satellite channels. They can't approach women so generally you hear of boys kidnapping other boys and raping them, or having sex with their maids who are forced into it. But most of all they fly to Dubai or Bahrain and hire hookers. Now who is at fault here? Is it the porn? Or is it the repression of sex in general in society?

I find the same parallels in the whole anti-Gay and pro-morality crap the Republican party has been pushing. Eventually we find out that alot of them are gays, alot of them made moves at pages, some tapped in airports for gay sex. It was hilarious.

So is pornography in society that bad?

After watching pornography for 10 hours straight, I take to the streets and rape EVERYTHING in site, Garbage Cans and Stray Cats of the world BEWARE!

>> ^swampgirl:
That being said.. I'm interested in the entertainment possibilities of "myth porn". Shall we coin a genre?



Coin a genre? Did you just do that? Myth porn! You know! The kind where Zeus fucks Aphrodite with his lightning bolt?

I guess KP would be able to fuck three women at once with his trident...

.... or one really flexible women...

>> ^MarineGunrock:
>> ^swampgirl:
That being said.. I'm interested in the entertainment possibilities of "myth porn". Shall we coin a genre?


Coin a genre? Did you just do that? Myth porn! You know! The kind where Zeus fucks Aphrodite with his lightning bolt?
I guess KP would be able to fuck three women at once with his trident...


You promised you would never mention my birth defect.

"Addiction" is a term thrown around so freely that it's used to describe just about any habitual self-indulgent behavior. Addiction should be reserved for those things that have a medical basis for being called that, i.e., they create a physical dependence. Heroin is addictive, and so is cocaine, but weed is NOT, and neither is porn. I know some people want to use the term "addiction" to describe any compulsive behavior, like World Of Warcraft "addiction" or even VideoSift "addiction," but you don't go through physical withdrawal symptoms when you can't log on to VS (well, for most people anyway). It's the same with porn. So let's not call it an "addiction," because that's what the purity police would like us to call it.

Now as dag already suggested, porn can be a "crutch" for SOME people, i.e., they become psychologically dependent on it. Porn can ruin the lives of such individuals. World of Warcraft can also ruin lives. So can alcohol. So let's ban all those things for everyone because a minority of people can't handle them, right? Even if we made all porn illegal, would it stop it from being made, or just drive it underground like it was before it was legalized?

To summarize:

- There's good porn, and there's bad porn.
- There are some people who are psychologically dependent on porn for arousal.
- Banning porn is not a solution.

I'm too lazy to do any more research on this, but I'm willing to bet that most people who view porn are well-adjusted individuals who like to watch it for *GASP* fun. Sexy fun. Humanity's moral fabric may be torn asunder in the eyes of some, but I really don't care. For some, humanity's moral fabric was torn when women got the right to vote, or started working outside the home, or burned their bras, or ran for President. I am not too concerned with those who hold such opinions, really.

^amen, sister!

>> ^rottenseed:
^amen, sister!


Translation: "Gobble, gobble, KP. Gobble."

^ ^ ^ ^
Drug addicition is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Porn addiction is not.

Just so we're clear about where the mental health community is on this.

>> ^K0MMIE:
After watching pornography for 10 hours straight, I take to the streets and rape EVERYTHING in site, Garbage Cans and Stray Cats of the world BEWARE!


K0MMIE, you need to talk to a doctor immediately. Having an erection for longer than four hours is hazardous to your health.

>> ^dag:
There are a lot of porn defenders in this thread. Though I don't think it's the bogeyman that pinkie does- I think a lot of people are kidding themselves about the effect it has on themselves and those around them.


I don't think it's a matter of delusion as much as it is trying to put things into perspective. Anti-porn people tend to think that porn is the fall of civilization, which is much more delusional.

Ultimately, porn is related to masturbation, and that's also something that the prudes among us have always had a problem with. People watch porn to help them masturbate. The prudes—who for some reason think it's their business to know and their place to say—can't stand people “abusing themselves” with masturbation.

There have, and always will, be the Lucy Van Pelts among us who think it is their job to criticise everyone around them and tell us how to live.

Rape does not necessarily involve a penis... especially in his case..

>> ^DavidRaine:
>> ^K0MMIE:
After watching pornography for 10 hours straight, I take to the streets and rape EVERYTHING in site, Garbage Cans and Stray Cats of the world BEWARE!

K0MMIE, you need to talk to a doctor immediately. Having an erection for longer than four hours is hazardous to your health.

Isn't that just like a woman to start an argument, have her last word, then leave?

Well, as pointless as this discussion is rapidly becoming, at least I got my satisfaction by handing out star points by voting on comments. 3 money shots in 20 minutes.

Very pointless, it was pointless in the first place it seems, cos someone who started the point, wasn't willing to end it. She's most likely sat at her comp, thinking, ooo lets leave them all stewing, wondering where i am and whether i'll come back to finish what i've started. Yeah, wicked. All i have to say is thanks for the thread starter mate, it's been hilarious. Now can we put her on a two week ban for being a dick?

Are we talking hermaphrodite/shemale pr0n now?

Man, this thread is giving out almost as many star points as a Siftle Jerk. That's some *quality commentary.

Awarding thepinky with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by schmawy.

oops.

Slight problem... gay/lesbian porn. Do they warrant the official badge of universal objectification? It seems the greater issue in your mind is with something else and not pornography. Shades of grey abound.

!?!?!139 comments!?!?!

Of all of the comments, I have no idea why I'm replying to this one.

There are a few schools of thought as far as language goes. Some people, like you, seem to believe that language is stagnant and that definitions are based on some kind of standard set by an expert. I believe that language is what we make of it. And myth has a new definition than it used to. That happens. Deal.

>> ^blankfist:
Thanks for the copy and paste reference.com definition of myth. That's great if you want the English Exam question number nine on page six for that standardized test where no child is left behind. But, when you speak to a scholar (such as one so respected as Joseph Campbell) I really hope you can refrain from rolling your eyes, lest you will lose your argument. Joseph Campbell does, in fact, define Myth as a metaphor. If you want to dispute him, that is fine and great, in fact, I love that notion. But, please, please, give evidence outside of a pedestrian link to some homogenized dictionary definition.

71% of porn-users are straight adult men.

Myth is just something that people believe in spite of it being true or not.

Examples:
Religion
We only use 10 percent of our brain
Only men watch porn
and so on.

>> ^thepinky:
71% of porn-users are straight adult men.


Wrong. 71 % of the people that admit to watching porn are men.

>> ^thepinky:
71% of porn-users are straight adult men.


92% of all stats are made up on the spot...

there are more important things to worry about than pr0n.

Like rampant desecration of the constitution, and the Cap'n crunch.

By the way any one who watches porn or is an advocate against pr0n is a Nazi. (There I just godwin'ed it)

Pinky's post does not deserve the surprising criticism and rebuke it seems to be getting here. No no no, it deserves outright decimation. It's quite clear pinky that you haven't given the arguments countering yours, which have appeared here and in other threads, even the most cursory perusal. The irony that you would accuse your detractors of delusion then, is simply hilarious when it is you, who is sadly and deeply deluded. In this latest post of yours, which is thoroughly saturated with the most risibly sanctimonious and patronizing piety, you trot out one ludicrous nonexistent myth after another and expect us to somehow in spite of it, take you seriously. Your blithe dismissal of the near third of non-heterosexual-male consumers of porn (women and gay men most notably) suggests these groups present a major quandry for your irrational beliefs and that your inability to explain the for example exceedingly low instance of sexual violence among gay males (who are indisputably prolific porn consumers) underscores the downright antiquated invalidity of your silly convictions.

It is your beliefs madam, about porn being a promoter of rape and other forms of sexual violence and supposed "objectification" that are myths. You purport to want to "play the science game" (a ridiculous statement which in and of itself reveals a gross misunderstanding of how science actually works) in your post yet provide nary a single shred of empirically derived evidence to support your case, only endless Andrea Dworkinesque, misandristic babble. Well here's a few actual scientific studies for you.

1.) Commission appointed by U. S. President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1970 in attempt to prove a correlation between porn and rape or other sexual assault finds NO CORRELATION

2.) A study in Japan http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/DIAM/japan.htm entitled "Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan" finds a strong INVERSE correlation between sexual violence rates and the availability of pornographic materials. That is to say, after porn was legalized, rape etc. rates plummeted.

3.) A highly controlled study by Todd Kendall at Clemson U "pornography, rape and the internet" found that "liberalization of porn access may lead to a DECLINE in sexual victimization" http://www.law.stanford.edu/display/images/dynamic/events_media/Kendall%20cover%20+%20paper.pdf

In another post on here you told us that you were raped (an unspeakably awful crime to which you are rightly owed an abundance of sympathy for having suffered as a victim) and that afterward during psychiatric treatment, you were told of the supposed "connection" between porn and rape and then you presumably ran with that as a nice neat little explanation that put everything into place. I submit that you were twice gravely wronged, the second time by your pseudoscientific psychologist eager to give you simple explanations and demons to slay no matter the veracity of the claim.

It is not the porn that is dangerous, rather, ironically, it is falsely moralizing people like you who are causing harm. I freely admit that I love porn. In fact, it may have saved my life. When I was in my late teens about a decade ago, I was struggling with the realization that I was gay and felt ashamed and suicidally depressed about it. Going online and seeing gay porn changed all of that. Seeing that sex between males was perfectly natural and indeed in many cases affectionate and loving and yes, harmlessly fun, allowed me to discard the shame and self-pity I once felt and leave my depression behind. Your implicit dismissal of experiences like mine and others which undoubtedly must similarly occur among lesbians and perhaps even the rare heterosexual woman are contemptible, and your eagerness to portray women in particular as brainless dolts incapable of making reasonable decisions for themselves about whether or not to participate in the sex industry is downright demeaning and misogynistic. Shame on you madam.

>> ^demonym7:



The above is a most excellent form of Ad hominem I have ever seen on the sift. Excellent use of opposition!

The verbose, veracity of your vindictive argument has vitalized this thread.

>> ^demonym7
*stands up and begins a standing ovation* Gay, you say? Godammit, I was in the middle of putting together a marriage proposal...

>> ^thepinky:
Of all of the comments, I have no idea why I'm replying to this one.
There are a few schools of thought as far as language goes. Some people, like you, seem to believe that language is stagnant and that definitions are based on some kind of standard set by an expert. I believe that language is what we make of it. And myth has a new definition than it used to. That happens. Deal.
>> ^blankfist:
Thanks for the copy and paste reference.com definition of myth. That's great if you want the English Exam question number nine on page six for that standardized test where no child is left behind. But, when you speak to a scholar (such as one so respected as Joseph Campbell) I really hope you can refrain from rolling your eyes, lest you will lose your argument. Joseph Campbell does, in fact, define Myth as a metaphor. If you want to dispute him, that is fine and great, in fact, I love that notion. But, please, please, give evidence outside of a pedestrian link to some homogenized dictionary definition.



Because you haven't got anything relevant to add to anyone elses comments?

>> ^thepinky:
71% of porn-users are straight adult men.


Says who?

>> ^MarineGunrock:
>> ^thepinky:
71% of porn-users are straight adult men.

Wrong. 71 % of the people that admit to watching porn are men.


Wrong, pinky went on the internet and wrote that 71% of porn users are straight adult men, and nobody has any reason to treat this as credible.

>> ^thepinky:
I believe that language is what we make of it.


What you make of it is bullshit.

I completely agree that words are not our masters, but we are the masters of our words.

Therefore:

I think the word "woman" should now be defined as "one who catches cum in her mouth while cooking my dinner and washing the shit-stains out of my underwear."

DEAL.

>> ^thepinky:
There are a few schools of thought as far as language goes. Some people, like you, seem to believe that language is stagnant and that definitions are based on some kind of standard set by an expert. I believe that language is what we make of it. And myth has a new definition than it used to. That happens. Deal.

This thread is great. I think I'm gonna pull a dag and get myself some popcon and red wine.

finished the wine already... now i am just waiting for my girl to get back so we can debase our relationship together.

>> ^demonym7

Impressive. Thank you for that.

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I may not agree with thepinky but I applaud her willingness to stand up to a barrage of criticism.

Denouncing porn on the Internet is akin promoting vegetarianism at a stockman's convention.

>> ^dag:
I may not agree with thepinky but I applaud her willingness to stand up to a barrage of criticism.
Denouncing porn on the Internet is akin promoting vegetarianism at a stockman's convention.


But it's not like in this case she has:
* Put forth any good arguments: Merely pointed to someone else's poorly constructed strawman list and then distanced herself from those as well
* Only argued on the definition of words rather than the topic she brought up
* Not written at all her personal issue with porn. What is her problem with it? Does she think porn is all about men objectifying and denigrating women? Does she think that watching other people having sex is inherently wrong and should be done behind closed doors? Is sex with anyone other than your legally bound spouse wrong in her eyes, so all these porn stars having sex with other people are displaying immoral acts?

In other threads and via profile comments I've had quite enjoyable discourses with thepinky, but this particular thread just gets me going as it really appears to be a childish bait and run.

I would quite like an actual back and forth argument with someone who is against porn to see whether their arguments hold water. But alas, doesn't seem she actually wants to engage on this topic.

Bravo demonym7. Well said.

Pinky, I respect that, with such terrible baggage, you are still standing up for what you believe in, even if I think you are misguided. It certainly can't be easy. What I can't respect is how you have to push that opinion forcefully on to everyone else.

The irony is truly tragic.

Convince people with facts. This is where Noam fell down, this is where you fall down. The facts don't bear out his or your case and all that is left is "morale high ground", a misnomer if I ever saw one.

The myths proffered were laughable. Objectification is equal opportunity these days thanks to feminism. Do not watch porn if you do not wish to, that is your choice. The government sets bounds on what is illegal, so within that law, respect your fellow humans rights to watch or not according to their own morality and conscience.

Anti-clutter.

^why not just fucking upvote it then instead of cluttering the thread up with a retarded click of the "quote" button?

as for pinky's "admirable" stand... it's pathetic. Hit and run. She hasn't "stood up" to anything. She thought she would start (and control) a debate, then she learnt what a debate is and decided not to play any more... like a schoolboy who plays rugby for 20 seconds with the men's team.

Fuck that, it's not admirable, it's cowardly. The only admirable thing in pinky's situation would be to admit "I got owned" and renounce your bizarre, outdated, juvenile interpretation of feminism before you embarass your gender and religion further.

>> ^thepinky:
Of all of the comments, I have no idea why I'm replying to this one.
There are a few schools of thought as far as language goes. Some people, like you, seem to believe that language is stagnant and that definitions are based on some kind of standard set by an expert. I believe that language is what we make of it. And myth has a new definition than it used to. That happens. Deal.
>> ^blankfist:
Thanks for the copy and paste reference.com definition of myth. That's great if you want the English Exam question number nine on page six for that standardized test where no child is left behind. But, when you speak to a scholar (such as one so respected as Joseph Campbell) I really hope you can refrain from rolling your eyes, lest you will lose your argument. Joseph Campbell does, in fact, define Myth as a metaphor. If you want to dispute him, that is fine and great, in fact, I love that notion. But, please, please, give evidence outside of a pedestrian link to some homogenized dictionary definition.



It seems like BLANKFIST is the one making something of the language here. Thepinky's the one coming up with a standard two word definition and leaving the argument at that. Why the fuck would anyone upvote this comment? Because she says, "deal"?

It's not even an argument at all...

Thepinky's comment here is so hypocritical that it's collapsing in on itself like a dying star and people are upvoting it?

I've tried to keep from making personal attacks on these threads. I even qualitied her feminism post to promote the discussion but JESUS CHRIST...

And SHE'S the one majoring in EDUCATION!!!!!?????!!!!!?????

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know this thread sort of reached its near-dead/zombie stage, but I’d still like to add another tiny little comment/new porn myth, insprired by >> ^karkarlee, what about sex/porn vs. humour? Could it be that some/a lot/all women are put off by/not interested in porn because it is all presented in such a dead serious way?

aaaaaand..... that's a wrap folks!

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Wait no ... we haven't reached 200 yet.

Of all of the comments, I have no idea why I'm replying to this one.

Me either... responding to any of the other comments at all would have been nice. there's so many well stated, educated comments in this thread that it's a pity to simply ignore them in an effort to save face, and likely disappear again.

169st!

I'll admit I'd really like to see this discussion continued, even though if it's only to wait for others to comment and further inspire me to say something topical and funny that's not been said yet, so that I could have my comment upvoted to no end and receive a star point.

That, and I also found this discussion to be both educational and intriguing. And awesome.

>> ^gwiz665:
This thread is great. I think I'm gonna pull a dag and get myself some popcon and red wine.


Can we coin that: “pulling a Dag”? Meaning settling back with some Brit booze and something inedible until someone invokes the asterisk?

# 171; getting there, slowly but persistently ;-).

Let's have a vote. Who thinks thepinky will actually engage demonym7 in debate?

I bet she won't even respond.

I'm fairly sure she wont, but i'm with dag on this not having reached 200 yet.

Hell, I'll chime back in, if only to make sure that this gets included in next year's Sifties.

Maybe someone should make it a condition of thepinky's further user status that she contributes back to the ridiculously long thread that she started? No? Can we not say 'if you don't make SOME sort of reasonable response to those who ACTUALLY answered your post rather than just ignoring the shitstorm you created, then, well, 2 weeks ban... ner ner?

No?

Abuse of power perhaps?

Anyone?

*chirp chirp chirp*

Right then... I'm off.

#176

i know, childish, but then... well nevermind...

Am not at all surprised that Pinky hasn't replied to anyone in this thread.

People who comment with vigorous views online don't usually have radical shifts of opinions given a reasoned opposition. I would think that we are all lost souls to her. To forgone to reach. Representative of a society gone astray.

However there are countless places online where mutual support can be found, if your are pro or anti pornography, pro or anti drugs, pro or anti BSDM, pro or anti bestiality.

It's the nature of the internet. However these groups don't usually engage in cross dialog to resolve things, mostly because once you have a certain view and standpoint, people don't change that, mostly because our views psychologically feed back into how we see ourselves. It takes alot of strength to reexamine those.

One comment, a day late and a dollar short. For those involved I'm probably summarizing what doesn't need to be summarized, but then again how does one respond to nearly 200 comments?

Actually, I have been reading and enjoying this particular thread for a while now but staying out of the fray. I'd like to echo Farhad's comments and * quality the discussion, had it not already been done. There have been a number of reasoned and interesting comments, though everyone already knows that by the star points awarded. I originally liked the attempt by thepinky (and had commented to her to this effect) to rattle cages in a mostly male Sift community, but in reviewing the number and content of her posts it's unfortunate in my opinion to find many of the 'facts' presented with less-than-overwhelming support and as a kind of end statement, more to spark ire than debate. In other words, if you're going to provoke the kind of argument this thread has generated then you should be prepared to either acknowledge the merits of your fellow sifters' finer points or at least provide some kind of reasoned response, lest your approach resemble mere trolling. Open-mindedness is a valuable trait here and, clearly, we sifters disagree on a great variety of topics but our approach and mutual respect and recognition is what sets the place apart from your average video site.

However, this being what it was I applaud everyone involved in making for an interesting contribution to Sift Talk, no matter the (hopeful) eventual response from thepinky. Kudos.

179!!! Where's Choggie when you need someone to * DISCARD? Not joking.

Farhad, I fine with being a lost soul. Where do I get my T shirt?
180?

I like ThePinky. I think she has a lot of potential when/if she wakes up.
(There, THAT should solicit about 20 more comments! #181...)
ha!

Porn is cool.

i hear that the internet is, in fact, for porn.

THought you all might want to see this:


"Of course it is. But I love stirring the pot.

In reply to this comment by LittleRed:
Ugh. I think it's a lost cause."

Writtn by: ThePinky

http://femme.videosift.com/member/LittleRed#comment-483899

Top Myths about thepinky.

1. thepinky cultivates good relationships.
2. thepinky is for sifters who sincerely appreciate the intelligent discourse of the 'Sift.
3. thepinky is harmless and it has no negative effect on the person reading comments.
4. thepinky leads a glamorous life, and sifters respect her.
5. thepinky likes variety in arguements so trolling helps thepinky stay faithful to her moral beliefs.

( ... )

9. thepinky is just a fantasy and people do not apply it to real life.

---

things get funny when you switch words out.



Note: I am not trying to be rude, or start a flame war... Just baiting our favorite troll.

oh, and 185 and 186

Women like sex too: http://www.videosift.com/video/Jamaica-White-Women-Sex-Tourism

So Dag, does popcorn even go well with a G&T? I can't imagine it would.

Oh, and everybody: redtube.com

This is comment 189. So sad... This thread came so close to satisfaction, but got all excited and shot its wad too early. Now where have I seen that before?

It's a fact:

77% of porn likes women,
while only 34% likes men.

O.K., thepinky, you are SO RIGHT! Porn is SO naughty. Naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty, bad! This, in fact, is why I absolutely DEVOUR porn. I AM SO NAUGHTY!! Why? I just don't know! Perhaps it is because from the event of my birth, having to pass through that vagina, totally distorted me. Since that moment, I have been obsessed with trying to get back into a vagina! On those occasions when I succeeded, I was in bliss! HELP! SAVE ME!! There MUST ne something MUCH more blissful than my getting back into a vagina!! PLEASE enlighten me!

>> ^dag:
I see porn on just about the same level as weed.


Now THAT's a combination I can believe in, my friends.

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boom muthafucka!

I believe this comment right here is #200.

Boom that,
muthafucka

sir.

>> ^dag:

I see porn on just about the same level as weed.


Great, now I feel dirty smoking my joint. Thanks alot.

IT'S OVER 200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*breaks scouter*

c c c c c COMBO BREAKER!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1~!!~eleventyone!1!1shift+one!!!11

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Ahhhh the good old days. *promote

Promoting this Sift Talk post - promote requested by alien_concept.

Damn that was a lot of comments!

There hasn't been a lot of controversy lately on the Sift, has there?

Part of me is relieved. Part of me misses the drama and adrenaline rush.

The part that is relieved is much bigger.

>> ^bareboards2:

There hasn't been a lot of controversy lately on the Sift, has there?
Part of me is relieved. Part of me misses the drama and adrenaline rush.
The part that is relieved is much bigger.


I hate you and every stupid thing that you say.

That will never be a controversy. That's just like calling someone's face ugly. It will be shrugged off.


No, to get a proper controversy: I call your core beliefs INTO QUESTION!!
>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^bareboards2:
There hasn't been a lot of controversy lately on the Sift, has there?
Part of me is relieved. Part of me misses the drama and adrenaline rush.
The part that is relieved is much bigger.

I hate you and every stupid thing that you say.

Lol fail.
>> ^gorgonheap:

Pornography is ultimately deconstructive to healthy relationships. Just about any marriage councilor will confirm this. It degrades those involved with it. Some may disagree with it that but everyone should remember the sick feeling that accompanys the first few time one sees pornography. That's , in my opinion, a God given instinct to turn away from the filth.
Yes porn is attractive, especially to the male psyche. But it's incredibly damaging to ones relationships and how they view members of the opposite sex.

212th

That was a fun read through *doublepromote

Double-Promoting this Sift Talk post - doublepromote requested by eric3579.