It was probably a bit much, tossing her into the pool would've been more appropriate.

So did the crowd kick his ass?

Yeah, a bit excessive, but still amusing...

two morons destroying eachother?
i say give her acid and give him a bat

to be honest, its fair play.

And shes right, she is a bitch.

*nsfw for language

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fair play.

Shes a bitch I will give you that... BUT she didn't HURT him.
She was being a stupid cunt.
He was actually being physically abusive.
That's fucked up. She weighs about 80 pounds. If you can't handle some stupid bitchy chick calling you an asshole... dont go out into fucking public because chances are... you ARE an asshole. I think he has proved my point.

She's a mouthy bitch, and he's a wife beater in the making. They should totally marry.

Since I don't know what happened before this it's hard to say.

Considering she said "Why would you do that?" and "Que Pasa Dickhead?" then walked away and he had to get in the last word and call her a "bitch" I'd say it was unjustified. If he just kept his mouth shut and walked away I think that would have been the end of it.

I mean leg sweeping any girl like that really is unjustified, I can't imagine what happened earlier between them where she would deserve that.

Sweep the leg.

/obvious

Fucking machismo. Little pricked Mexicans can get away with harming women because it's part of their culture. What happened before this altercation? I am willing to bet it's 1 of the following things:
1) He grabbed her ass while walking by
2) He called her something when she rejected his advances

Anybody who thinks she deserves that after watching this out-of-context clip, is a real dick. The only thing that could've qualified this behavior is if she did something like knee him in the crotch for no reason, killed his puppy, etc.

Don't let your mouth write a check your butt can't cash. Just because you're female, doesn't make you exempt. We all need to treat each other respectfully, regardless of race, gender, etc, etc.

Now, with that said, he was excessive and throwing her dumb ass in the pool would have been more than adequate.

I hate her. I hate him. They're perfect for each other.

Rottenseed has it spot on. "Just because your female"... what a comment to make given you have NO idea why she reacted that way. I'm sure he was a perfect gentleman when she completely blew up on her... And yes amazing how brave he was when he had 80lbs on the person he attacks and how fast he backed away when that wasn't the case. She had it spot on as well, she does seem like a bitch, but anyone who thinks that warrants being attacked is just wrong.

I'm with rottenseed here. Whatever she did he didn't need to get violent. An awkward fall like that onto a hard surface is gonna hurt her. I just don't understand why the guy who came over looking all tough to defend her didn't just knock him out there and then.

My instant response was to figure out the fastest way to get one or two of that fucker's teeth out of his head. seriously.

>> ^NetRunner:
It was probably a bit much, tossing her into the pool would've been more appropriate.
So did the crowd kick his ass?


Yeah, it'd be neat to see what happened next..

He's not Mexican, btw - the YouTube vid said he was French-Moroccan.

They're both assholes.

-Edit-

(I tried carefully summing up my feelings on the matter and this is the conclusion I arrived at)

Walking stereotypes, really. Puny humans with their puny prefrontal cortices. Despicable, the lot of 'em.

so, what if it were a skiny, nerdy guy droping drinks in his face like that instead of a chick? would you applaud him being swept by the other guy?

>> ^EndAll:
>> ^NetRunner:
It was probably a bit much, tossing her into the pool would've been more appropriate.
So did the crowd kick his ass?

Yeah, it'd be neat to see what happened next..
He's not Mexican, btw - the YouTube vid said he was French-Moroccan.

I apologize for the misconception. Machismo is a real part of Spanish culture. If he is in fact "French-Moroccan" he's got the Islamic view of women...which apparently is that they can be swept and knocked to the ground. I guess she should be grateful she wasn't beheaded...

Fair Play?! Forget the fact that you people don't even know what happened prior to all of this. You don't slam a chick into concrete. He could have easily cracked her head open. Was some retaliation due? Possibly. Depending on whether he did anything to provoke her in the first place or not. Needless to say, some of the comments in here are amazingly presumptuous and idiotic.

I can't post it on here because the embed script is disabled, but it reminded me of this scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CykN97RQ724&feature=PlayList&p=2696455C49585800&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=8

From "the Way of the Gun".

Bottom Line: She was too drunk to write a check with her mouth that her azz couldn't cash. You never try something like that drink toss and then turn your back...you're asking for what she got. Speaking as a Crowned Bitch, if he pissed her off that badly, and she felt the waste of a cocktail justified, she shouldn't have tried to walk away; in my experience, when you're in it, you're in it til someone goes down. Ya gotta pick your fights. Obviously, she's a amateur; bet she woke up the next morning swaering "NO MORE of those fruity drinks! They make my ass hurt!"

her voice...*shudder*

We don't know what happened prior to what's shown. The guy is obviously a douche, but it's unfair to judge the girl from what's shown. She could also be a douche who physically attacked the guy, or a level headed, rational individual who was justifiably offended by something he done.

Btw, what's with rottenseed's blatantly racist generalisations, and what's with the fucking upvotes for them?

Never mind.

Regardless of her being a chicken head that was not cool.

Oh and he seemed pretty amused before she threw the drink at him. If she had attacked him previously I don't think he would have been as humored as he was.

I wouldn't want to hang out with a girl like that, but those guys are scum.

Would love to see 60 seconds before and after this clip.

Why has almost everyone come to the conclusion that this woman is a bitch?

If you listen to the very beginning of the video very carefully, you can hear her say, "...[indistinct] a hotdog?" I'm thinking that whatever these guys did to her probably wasn't very nice and involved some sexual harrassment. Did you also notice the other guy's hand on the back of her neck? Her next comment is immature, but then he starts moving toward her AS SHE WALKS AWAY before she even flips him off. And then he makes some unseen gestures at her and mutters something, she says she doesn't care, he calls her a bitch, and then flicks his hand at her face. He deserved everything he got and that woman was just reacting, trying (and failing) to keep her dignity, and defending herself from those pricks.

I can't believe that anyone could think that the leg sweep was justified.

Just my opinion, but videos like this annoy me when they make it on the Sift. No context, no grand value, just a random act of stupidity and booze-fueled violence that are a dime a million on sites like Break. Add in a few probies fresh from YouTube to make filthy comments, everyone gets pissy and we have a perfect recipe for flamebait.

Anyway, off the soapbox. Nothing personal, EndAll. For this video: If you pay attention at 0:14, it looks like he puts his hand on her shoulder or tries to put his hand in her face. Not like her language was in line, but he (looking at the video only) appears to be the first to make physical contact. I would then imagine the predicament was started by him trying to make a bit more intimate physical contact in the first place, which would justify her (not his) reactions.

Prick.

Kevlar, your comment deserves at least 15 votes.

I think this started with an act of violence against hot dogs. She is obviously a member of PETHD.

It might not happen all that often, but Pinky darlin' we agree completely on this. Some of these comments are unebelivable. We don't see what immediatly transpired before this took place, we do know they did something that warranted her asking "why the fuck would you do that." And of course this guy was recording it because they 'were not' doing anything right?... And I agree Kevlar, kind of ridiculous that it gets me going like this, just a little shocked by some of the reactions.

Dude...you're supposed to hit below the face. That way the bruises don't show!

...but seriously, who does that to a girl? I mean, if she were a body builder, then all's fair. But she's not, she's just a bitch, so don't be a dick and stoop to her level.

Also, beer in the face is tasty while head on cement is hurty. Not justified.

She could have a broken hip or tail bone from that.

Justified or not, that was a nice sweep. She fell hard. I bet her hip had a bruise on it for days.

>> ^kulpims:
so, what if it were a skiny, nerdy guy droping drinks in his face like that instead of a chick? would you applaud him being swept by the other guy?


I think its funny that everyone has side-stepped Kulpims very pertinant point here. What if it had been a guy of a physically comparable stature to the girl? I think the responses will show that we are all still really sexist and that women's equality is miles away.

The point is, is that certain women (I would imagine) of this partiular persons caliber RELY on men NOT physically responding to whatever the hell they do because they konw that the double standard exists (Im not passing judgement on it Im just saying it exists). "Men should never hit women." So some women RELY on the fact that they can do whatever they want to a man up till physical contact and get away with it. I think the comment of "dont cash a check your butt cant handle" is 100% accurate. If your moronic and childish enough to do what she did then you should be "(fe)man" enough to accept whatever comes your way. She was playing a game of escalaltion and she lost. 9 out of 10 times a guy will not react because its the wrong thing to do. She gambled and got that 1 out of 10 guys who was perfectly happy decking her.

Moral of the story is, MAN OR WOMAN, if you are 80 pounds less than someone else and if you taunt someone else you shouuld probably understand that the consequences, right or wrong, will have been invited by you and they wont be pleasant.

What's the first thing a woman does when she gets out of the battered women's shelter?

She does the dishes if she knows whats good for her.

/asshole

What an ass.

All I'm saying here is that rottenseed is right.

That's it, he's right, anyone who says that 'she had it coming' is an absolute violent dick.

I think "she had it coming" and "she shouldn't have been surprised by a response, whatever it might be" (which is what I was getting at) are two entirely different things.

>> ^deathcow:
I think this started with an act of violence against hot dogs. She is obviously a member of PETHD.


PETHD. Love it!

As has been stated more than enough times, we're missing half the story in this video. We can all debate the "What if's", but you can't argue an "if". What if he had started the confrontation? Yeah, well, what if he hadn't? Maybe she had made some anti-French/Moroccan crack and he told her to stick a hot dog up her butt. Maybe she didn't. That's the point. We'll never know until we get the whole story.

But that doesn't change the fact that if you say something nasty to someone, expect the repercussions. Don't confuse that with VALIDATING what he did. But you sure aren't going to douse someone with a beer and walk away. NOBODY here would have just walked away, let's be honest.

Looks to me like she hit her head on the conrete really hard when she fell.

I don't know about you guys but I get really tired of this hollywood invincibility image we all seem to have in our heads. She might be totally fine and I don't mean to sound like anyone's mother but a fall like that has the possibility of causing a lot more damage than most people think. A concussion not being the least.

IMO that type of physical reaction to a drink being thrown in someone's face is never justified. And yes, I would feel the same way if it was a guy. Now, we all get pissed off and for my own sake: I hope that guy AND his friends got their fucking asses handed to them.

PS: LOcky, latin culture has a very strong standard of masculinity. Not unlike New Zealand or Australian culture. And "Mexican" isn't a race.

I think Kevlar you underestimate our ability to have perfectly civil discussions on often controversial matters - and the discussion was exactly why I posted this; I was having one on a forum where this video was posted as well and there was a great debate about it - so I figured I'd see what everyone at the Sift had to say, too. But thank you, at least, for explaining why you downvoted.

And I'll give a *quality to EndAll for posting this, not because of the content, but because it brings us all together to debate; but more importantly, to think. And anything that generates thought is a good thing.

Star points may only be awarded for videos and Sift Talk posts - ignoring quality request by videosiftbannedme.

Ah shit. Oh well, props to EndAll regardless.

Haha Ty, vsbannedme.

A real man would never initiate violence against a woman. This is a rule that is biological in nature. For most aspects of life, I consider men and women to be equal, but not here. If she were to throw a real punch, then yeah, you could sit her down on her butt, but not until she attacks first. Thrown drinks do not count.

This video shows a complete failure of polite society on several levels. As soon as voices were raised, everybody should have been paying close attention. As soon as she threw her drink, several men should have stepped between them. As soon as he knocked her down hard, several men should have made him bleed. Even if he had pushed her into the pool, there should have instantly been a line of men forcing that asshole out of the area.

More than even seeing a woman get knocked down, what pisses me off is all then men standing about doing nothing.

I consider myself to be more of a lover than a fighter, but if I had witnessed this, one of us would be going to the hospital.

Am I on liveleak?

As to what happened before, obviously it was nothing threatening, otherwise why would she be just standing there?

She didn't do one single thing that required striking her other than an assault to his overblown machismo.

I would have liked to seen what happened after though, her friends were just starting to get up, but I guess Footweeper's friends didn't want to post him getting bitchslapped like the pussy he is.

Arguments about "REAL MEN" are cultural.

Doesn't matter if she or he was wrong. Males and females should be treated equally.

She provoked an attack. Don't start a fight if you can't defend yourself. = ]

remind me not to throw beer in anyones face.

oh wait I already knew that.

I'm not an advocate of drink throwing or ass kicking, I prefer verbal ego crushings. Anyways you could look at it like, instead of kicking him in the nuts, she threw her drink on him, and instead of punching her in the face, he kicked her legs out from under her. More fucked up on his end, but it coulda been worse on both ends.

I would've loved to see her humiliated, rather than physically hurt. A good push into the pool would've sufficed, but if he wanted to take it a step further he could have pantsed her and then done it. That would've been much more entertaining.

and lol @ me being the 55th to comment on the content of the video I myself submitted

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
Arguments about "REAL MEN" are cultural.
Doesn't matter if she or he was wrong. Males and females should be treated equally.
She provoked an attack. Don't start a fight if you can't defend yourself. = ]


She provoked a water/beer fight at a pool party. If you can't see the distinction between that and bashing a defenseless drunk girl's head against the pavement, I have to guess you have experience justifying violence against women.

uhh.. while I agree and am against violence towards women - take it easy with the hyperbole. She wasn't trying to start a "water fight" .. did you see anyone with a Supersoaker? No. And he didn't bash her head against the pavement either, that would involve deliberately taking her head and smashing it against the ground. It was a legsweep.. and perhaps her head hit the ground when she fell. Different.. but nevertheless, unacceptable - that I think we'll agree on.

>> ^Payback:
As to what happened before, obviously it was nothing threatening, otherwise why would she be just standing there?
She didn't do one single thing that required striking her other than an assault to his overblown machismo.
I would have liked to seen what happened after though, her friends were just starting to get up, but I guess Footweeper's friends didn't want to post him getting bitchslapped like the pussy he is.


Actually RIGHT as the video ends it appears another dude from off to the left of the camera view comes and shoves/hits him. Again, it would've been neat to see what happened afterwards. I personally just hope he had the snot beaten out of him, and the girl learned a lesson.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'vacation, mexico, altercation, drink, legsweep, revenge, owned' to 'vacation, mexico, altercation, drink, legsweep, revenge, owned, violent douche' - edited by spoco2

i have three sisters.
she didnt touch him,but he fucked with her.
your dogfood in my book.
ask my brother in law about his bridge,thought he could put his hands on my little sister.
turns out he was wrong.
from this video it looks like the woman was provoked,not that i really care.
i didnt see her take a swing at this sorry, pussy of an excuse of a man.
i dont care how much a girl bruises your ego,you dont fucking do that to a girl.
grrrrr....all i saw in my head was that girls head cracking like a cantaloupe.
pussy ass little faggot is what that fucking douchebag is.
man..i want to kiss his ass after seeing this!

I think you mean "kick" Enoch! That is a hilarious Freudian slip.
But a sincere "amen" in regards to the rest of your comment.

I personally just think it's funny how much machismo begets machismo. I mean come on, none of you commentators were even there to witness the full event, and yet about half of the comments are about how you'd do this or that to kick the guy's ass. This is how wars start.

>> ^misterwight:
I personally just think it's funny how much machismo begets machismo. I mean come on, none of you commentators were even there to witness the full event, and yet about half of the comments are about how you'd do this or that to kick the guy's ass. This is how wars start.

It's instinctual to protect our women from those willing to hurt them. To pretend otherwise is naive.

Hmm I'm surprised so many people think the man should've been hurt until he bled/had teeth knocked out/beaten the shit out of for merely knocking a girl onto her back. Perhaps calling the police would suffice, instead of some revenge "Don't hurt our women folk, you brown-skinned mongrel!" violence.

Then there are ironic declarations that this man was a "pussy" for resorting to violence. Perhaps you're unaware, but women have pussies. So you're calling the guy a girl for being hurt by a girl's insult, then getting upset with him for treating a woman poorly.

>> ^jerryku:
Hmm I'm surprised so many people think the man should've been hurt until he bled/had teeth knocked out/beaten the shit out of for merely knocking a girl onto her back. Perhaps calling the police would suffice, instead of some revenge "Don't hurt our women folk, you brown-skinned mongrel!" violence.


Uh, I think you've misinterpreted the aggression towards this douchecookie.. I sincerely doubt there are any racial undertones in the comments expressing anger and wishing violence upon him. That seems more to be your own projection.

EndAll, there are like three posts above us that specifically bring up the guy's ethnicity. One of them is the most popular post in the page, when judging by the upvotes. It focuses on his "Mexican" background very strongly too, saying that Mexicans have 1) small penises, and 2) are culturally programmed to be sexist. Another post went further, saying it was a "Latin" thing. Then another talked about it being an Islamic thing.

There aren't undertones in those posts since they were very overt.

>> ^jerryku:
EndAll, there are like three posts above us that specifically bring up the guy's ethnicity. One of them is the most popular post in the page, when judging by the upvotes. It focuses on his "Mexican" background very strongly too, saying that Mexicans have 1) small penises, and 2) are culturally programmed to be sexist. Another post went further, saying it was a "Latin" thing. Then another talked about it being an Islamic thing.
There aren't undertones in those posts since they were very overt.


Yeah, my bad, hard keeping up with all these comments. I was just editing my post to say that if you were referring to rottenseeds comment(s) specifically, then yeah, I see what you're saying. But a lot of the other ones weren't, including the non-existent one 3 posts above us you referred to. Some used the term 'machismo' but that doesn't necessarily mean it's 'Mexican machismo'

?? I think you misread what I wrote. There are 3 or so posts above us that say these things, not one post that is 3 posts above us.

And the post I referred to is this one by rottenseed, which appears to have the most upvotes on the entire page:
"Fucking machismo. Little pricked Mexicans can get away with harming women because it's part of their culture. What happened before this altercation? I am willing to bet it's 1 of the following things:
1) He grabbed her ass while walking by
2) He called her something when she rejected his advances"

Let's see. Insults based on both physical and cultural factors. Plus prejudicial assumptions about behavior without significant evidence either way in this individual case. Great.

Anyway, yes, I agree, many posts merely wish to have severe violence brought down upon the guy, without factoring in race/culture/whatever. I guess that makes those posts a few percentage points less repulsive and barbaric. Yay.

Ah, I see. And I acknowledged that you were referring to rottenseeds comment in the last post. I also disagree with the sentiments expressed therein.

Did you all see that poor defenseless woman be attacked? Who will defend her? Is there no manly man in shining armor to fix this!?

are you people out of your fucking minds?

i don't care if she punched him in the throat, you don't fucking hit a woman.

Why?

Not enough information...or willpower to care.

Interesting posts. I'm surprised at the number of people who think it is ok to strike a woman who is mean to you. There are a number of similar comments on the YouTube page. It is absolutely sickening. You people who think she got what she was "asking for" really need to examine your moral code.

Imagine this is your girlfriend, sister, or daughter. If you still think what he did was acceptable, there is no hope left for you.

Sexism
1. Discrimination based on gender.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

Moral position:
Violence against others, men or women, is wrong

Immoral position:
Violence against women, but not men, is wrong

Sexist position
Violence against women is more wrong than violence against men.

Just so you understand what you are and where you stand in the eyes of the LORD-AH

So that's how people did it before message boards were invented.

*controversy

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>> ^MaxWilder:
... Imagine this is your girlfriend, sister, or daughter. If you still think what he did was acceptable, there is no hope left for you.


This kind of thinking shouldn't change how partial you are to this guy hitting her. This kind of thinking only perpetuates things like lynch mobs and over punishing someone. Also it feeds a stereotype that women may do no wrong, only because they are women.

I feel they both stepped over the boundaries of whats socially acceptable and it ended in 2 idiots looking stupid, for 2 different reasons. There is no right and wrong here, only two wrongs.

Furthermore those who have no tolerance or understanding for cultural differences, and the unavoidable accidents that happen because of them, are the hopeless ones among us, not the people who place logic over emotion in their thinking process.

Of course it's not justified. I hope that dude got his ass kicked hard, and then arrested. No doubt she'll think twice before doing that again, mind you.

I took a two week course in Greece and Turkey last summer. In Istanbul, one of the girls went to get an ice cream and the vendor stuck a cone down her shirt. Some of the students that were there pulled her away before the guy could actually start scooping the ice cream, and then left without saying a word.

Were they pissed? Yes. Did they retaliate in any way? No. They understood that they were in a place that played by their own rules. And they respected that.

Same thing applies here. I'm not defending this guy's behavior- it's backwards as fuck. It's just something that this chick should have gritted her teeth over, though. None of that "I'm an AMUHRICAN and THIS is how we do it" shit.

...Assuming this all sparked from the alleged confrontation with a hot dog she hints at in the first few seconds, that is.

Violence is neverjustified, but, if you're in a foreign country you probably shouldn't be starting s@$t. A lot worse can happen than getting your ass kicked!

>> ^enoch:
pussy ass little faggot is what that fucking douchebag is.

*sigh* dude.. you know better.

>> ^enoch:
man..i want to kiss his ass after seeing this!

... karma.

Oh, imstellar, I almost agree with you, but you have to take into consideration that no matter how equal we want to be in other respects, women are biologically different than men. We are smaller and weaker on average. And I think that most of us believe that violence against the weak is more wrong than violence against the strong.
In an ideal society we would look at each case individually. As in: If this woman had been bigger and stronger than the man, the violence committed against her would have been less wrong. But seeing as how she is smaller and appears to be weaker, it just makes us a little bit more pissed off.
But we don't usually look at every case individually. Since woman are smaller on average, we think that violence against them is more wrong (on average). And if you want to look at it from an evolution standpoint (this could be utter bull), it may actually be instinctual for men to feel the need to protect women from violence. We're pretty defenseless when we're pregnant, you know. That's basic survival and reproduction instincts we're talking about. Strong stuff. Not to mention that, historically, violent crimes involving a man and a woman are far more often committed by men.
Little girls should definitely be taught that they can't just hit boys whenever they feel like it, and I think that a healthy "we don't hit girls" construct is good for little boys to learn as long as it is coupled with a healthy "we don't let girls hit us."
>> ^imstellar28:
Sexism
1. Discrimination based on gender.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotping of social roles based on gender.
Moral position:
Violence against others, men or women, is wrong
Immoral position:
Violence against women, but not men, is wrong
Sexist position
Violence against women is more wrong than violence against men.
Just so you understand what you are and where you stand in the eyes of the LORD-AH

I obviously need nerd help. Why aren't the codes working?

P.S. Berticus, your last comment is a beautiful, beautiful thing. A treasure, of sorts.

EDIT: I got the needed nerdy assistance.

Nothing justifies it, blah blah blah, all been said, guy's an idiot.

Nuke the entire poolside and be done with it.

Owwwww....more than just her ass and hip that hit the ground, the back of her head smacked HARD onto that concrete. Could have more than easily fractured her skull.

A punch in the face would have hurt her less.

Hmmm. This video seems to be *dead. "Removed due to terms of use violation."

This published video has been declared non-functional; embed code must be fixed within 2 days or it will be sent to the dead pool - declared dead by Issykitty.

This video and its comments are like a bad tooth I cant leave alone!

In fairness to EndAll this has been an interesting discussion but I do regret upvoting, by my own guidelines I tend to only downvote violence or animal cruelty and I should have downvoted this.

My earlier comment said they were both a-holes, I feel this was not correct.

Based on what we see, she seems genuinely upset and surprised by whatever he did (did he put something in her hair?) and however poorly she handled things later, she was dealing with it verbally, while he went all hands in face and invaded her personal space. Her reaction seems the kind reasonable people have to unforeseen douchebaggery, "why would you do that?"

The drink throw I think was probably a sign of her naivety and (dare I say it) innocence, she is only young and maybe it was her first time abroad without mom and dad and she still thought she was on a relatively civilized college campus, and not a drink and drug fuelled party resort. In my experience thrown drinks always result in violence. When you tangle with a stranger in a foreign country the chances are they live by different standards of behaviour. That may not be politically correct, but it doesnt have to be, its the reality of life on earth. I've had my own life experiences to understand that, this poor girl is just learning.

Alcohol is a very dangerous drug, we tend to forget that it deprives us of good judgment and allows otherwise normal people to do stupid and horrendous things. It renders people oblivious to factors that sober people would take account of. The Romans said "Alcohol is truth", as it strips away the layers of civilized behavior and pretty much leaves people with a reptile brain.

I maintain that he behaved like an a-hole, but before people take him down to the hanging tree or work out their own issues in bursts of equally contemptible violence, keep in mind we have laws for dealing with behavior like that.

I think a good thing to think about when viewing this video is how men and women deal with conflict differently. Ask any teenage girl.. more often than not, if you piss off a girl she will attack you emotionally. Guys attack each other physically more often than not. On a certain level we don't expect anyone to get physical with us because, for the most part, we would rather ruin you from the inside out. It can be much more effective.

I can't believe I left out my own story relating to this matter.. as I have engaged in some sort of violence against a woman! Alcohol was involved too, of course. It was my brother's 19th birthday party at our house - tons of people.. a bunch we didn't really know. Eventually these two or three ghetto lesbian chicks started smashing bottles in the alleyway.. kerfuffles broke out, drunk people started fighting drunk people, and eventually my friend (standing right beside me) was bottled in the head by one of these ladies. I gave her a shove, she fell and hit her head on a fencepost - nothing serious, just a cut. I don't regret that at all. This situation is entirely different though... as the girl in the video here didn't actually hit anyone. Just a little story.

>> ^imstellar28:
Sexism
1. Discrimination based on gender.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.
Moral position:
Violence against others, men or women, is wrong
Immoral position:
Violence against women, but not men, is wrong
Sexist position
Violence against women is more wrong than violence against men.
Just so you understand what you are and where you stand in the eyes of the LORD-AH


It's not immoral to think violence against the defenseless is worse than violence against the strong. It's not sexist to acknowledge biological differences.

Would you like the male/female distinctions in sports removed? Are woman-only sport's team inherently sexist?

The thought experiment with a man in her place is difficult, because a man would have been treated differently. This scenario wouldn't have played out this way.

thepinky wrote:
"I think that most of us believe that violence against the weak is more wrong than violence against the strong"

I agree with what you are saying, but you are wording it in a misleading way. Its not more wrong because of the inherent "weakness" of each person, it is more wrong because the same act of violence will cause more damage to a weaker person.

There are two variables here: Force and Damage; "Violence" is a description of both variables. The same leg sweep which makes a small girl bash her head on the ground probably wouldn't be much more than an annoyance for a large man. Same force, different damage.

In your head, you are probably imaging the same force against a man, which really isn't a fair comparison because you must also consider the damage inflicted. Weaker people will always require less force per unit of damage inflicted, so I can see why one would (erroneously) focus on the "strength" of the victim.

A more accurate statement would be:

"I think that most of us believe that more violence is more wrong than less violence"

Which of course we can all agree on.

Typical french ghetto-trash reaction

>> ^MaxWilder:
A real man would never initiate violence against a woman. This is a rule that is biological in nature. For most aspects of life, I consider men and women to be equal, but not here.


Interesting you should point that out. I'm sure it doesn't necessarily extend to all dogs, let alone all animals, but I like watching my dog (an undesexed male labrador) taking just about any shit a bitch can dish out, and not falter in his advances. I've seen bitches biting hard and everything but it wasn't until she caught a more vulnerable part like an ear and he actually felt it, that he would retaliate, and even then it would only be reprimanding nip at the neck or tackling her to the ground. Or in human terms equivelent to a slap, or grabbing her arms to prevent further attack.

>> ^thepinky:
EDIT: I got the needed nerdy assistance.

Hey, watch those epithets against people who know HTML. After all, comic book nerds might be clueless about them, and it's conceivable that in this day and age cool people might know the basics.

>> ^imstellar28:
thepinky wrote:
"I think that most of us believe that violence against the weak is more wrong than violence against the strong"
I agree with what you are saying, but you are wording it in a misleading way. Its not more wrong because of the inherent "weakness" of each person, it is more wrong because the same act of violence will cause more damage to a weaker person.

I both love and hate how you always present your opinions as if you're explaining the fundamental facts of the universe. I don't disagree with the idea that conflict between unequal parties is inherently unfair, and that when we're talking about violent conflict, the damage can be much, much worse (see the above clip, plus the Iraq wars).

Thing is, I don't think it's correct to call it sexist to feel that male-on-female violence is more wrong. Here's what the scholarly inflatablevagina had to say about the female point of view:

>> ^inflatablevagina:
I think a good thing to think about when viewing this video is how men and women deal with conflict differently. Ask any teenage girl.. more often than not, if you piss off a girl she will attack you emotionally. Guys attack each other physically more often than not. On a certain level we don't expect anyone to get physical with us because, for the most part, we would rather ruin you from the inside out. It can be much more effective.


Much as we're taught to instinctively deny the differences between man and women these days, the truth is that men and women truly have different ways of looking at social interaction. Perhaps that's a product of culture more than biology, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a mix of both.

I think given the differences between men and women and their approach to conflict resolution, I think the general societal expectation -- sometimes phrased as "real men don't hit women" -- is merely a recognition of the fact that men and women deal with conflict differently. The idea being that when men have a conflict with a woman, they should restrain their impulse to physical violence, since women aren't generally encouraged to have fistfights over disagreements the way men are.

I don't see that as sexist, I see that as a rule of etiquette. Polite men are expected to behave differently in the company of women than they would in the company of men. I don't see anything discriminatory about that at all.

Therefore, it's "more wrong", because you're breaking the rules of social interaction, as well as breaking more fundamental rules like "don't hurt people". I'd still feel that him attacking her was extra wrong, even if she did some cool martial arts move, and knocked him on his ass and hadn't been harmed at all.

I think we should reserve the word sexism for behaviors that treat one sex as being of less value than the other, as opposed to social mores that help the differing cultures of men and women learn to live together in peace.

Saying that men hitting women is "more wrong" because women are naturally weaker seems like the more sexist explanation, even if on average it is true.

This is so stupid.

Let's judge a situation through a video clip. No one know what the fuck happened.

Some chicks sometimes, like guys, need to get smacked.

Accept it. This is gender equality to me.

>> ^thepinky:
And if you want to look at it from an evolution standpoint (this may be utter bull), it may actually be instinctual for men to feel the need to protect women from violence. We're pretty defenseless when we're pregnant, you know. That's basic survival and reproduction instincts we're talking about. Strong stuff.

This is exactly correct. In our hunter and gatherer years (and for those that still live that way), why do you think the men hunted while the women gathered? Hunting is dangerous. Let's say only 2 or 3 men return from the trip, if all of the women are still safe and sound in the village, repopulation can take place fairly easily because men can impregnate multiple women. If the women went hunting and only a handful came back, you'd end up with the possibility of that amount of women to get pregnant no matter how many males are around.

It's tough to conceive of a scenario in which that guy's actions are justified. If you can't handle a girl throwing a drink in your face, you're a pussy.

Assessment: Douche

>> ^EndAll:
I think you mean "kick" Enoch! That is a hilarious Freudian slip.
But a sincere "amen" in regards to the rest of your comment.


LOL...sighs..i suck

Regardless of anyone's opinions...
Two things my mom always taught me about violence - and she made it perfectly clear!!!!!!

1). NEVER hit a woman!
2). ALWAYS walk away!

Why is the world the way it is? A little microcosm here. Men still torture frogs and women still play dress up. The macro ego display here is as plain as day. Kill your self. The morality is irrelevant.

>> ^imstellar28 I agree with what you are saying, but you are wording it in a misleading way. Its not more wrong because of the inherent "weakness" of each person, it is more wrong because the same act of violence will cause more damage to a weaker person.
There are two variables here: Force and Damage; "Violence" is a description of both variables. The same leg sweep which makes a small girl bash her head on the ground probably wouldn't be much more than an annoyance for a large man. Same force, different damage.
In your head, you are probably imaging the same force against a man, which really isn't a fair comparison because you must also consider the damage inflicted. Weaker people will always require less force per unit of damage inflicted, so I can see why one would (erroneously) focus on the "strength" of the victim.
A more accurate statement would be:
"I think that most of us believe that more violence is more wrong than less violence"
Which of course we can all agree on.


I disagree with your breakdown. The violence isn't worse against the woman just because it will hurt her more. It's worse because she can't fight back and can't defend herself. And in the case of a leg sweep like this, assuming it is successful, it's actually going to hurt a lighter person less than a big guy. My toddler does this to himself every day as he strides around the room (although not on concrete).

It's patently offensive to bully the weak. That's what this is about.

That's why it's outrageous when a cop tasers a child. Not because it hurts the child more (it probably doesn't), but because the child is harmless to the cop.

If this guy swept a Silverback Gorilla off its feet and hurt it badly, it wouldn't bother me so much, because I know the Gorilla is going to get up and tear him limb from limb.

This is obviously the perfect case for a "wise latina" judge. lol

rychan wrote:
It's worse because she can't fight back and can't defend herself.

What you are describing is more the difference between "cowardly" and "brave" rather than "right" and "wrong." It is certainly more cowardly to attack a defenseless person, but its also kind of "intelligent" or "strategic" isn't it?

If you consider the meaning of the words more closely, defenseless doesn't just mean "having no defense" it means "not having enough defense (for the attack at hand)." Thus, anyone who cannot successfully repel an attack is defenseless, and this it true of any fight all the way up to a high level such as MMA. Nobody has ever won a fight against someone who wasn't defenseless.

What you really mean to say is that her defense is pale in comparison to his attack, thus making him a coward for choosing such an lopsided opponent.

In terms of right and wrong, when you COBRA-KAI LEG SWEEP someone, their response determines their morality, not yours. It doesn't in any way excuse your behavior if they retaliate; nor does it condemn your behavior if they are unable or unwilling to retaliate. As such, the victim's response cannot affect the level of "wrongness" or "immorality" of your action. It makes you appear like more of a dick, sure, but thats a different word.

Well, I completely disagree with you. I don't know how you twist your logic to arrive at "Nobody has ever won a fight against someone who wasn't defenseless."
Were Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan defenseless in World War 2?

"Defenseless" implies not having remotely enough defenses. "Defenseless" implies the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

Here's a good dictionary definition, from WordNet "defenselessness - the property of being helpless in the face of attack" and from wictionary "Lacking any form of defense".

So don't patronize me to "consider the meaning of the words more closely". You're completely wrong, ok? It doesn't mean "not having enough defense". It means a fundamental lack of defense.

And I didn't say that someone's response to a leg sweep determines the attacker's morality. Their capacity to respond has a bearing on the morality, and I stand by that. Bullying the weak and infirm is less moral than bullying the strong.

Women have to deny advances all day long... Doesn't seem to me like she was being a bitch.

I hope that guy got what was coming to him.

pero por qué?

>> ^rychan
Bullying the weak and infirm is less moral than bullying the strong.

>> ^braindonut:
Women have to deny advances all day long... Doesn't seem to me like she was being a bitch.
I hope that guy got what was coming to him.


Not all of 'em..

Would anyone really miss humans if we just killed them all?

The indisputable facts of this video...

Some bitch assaulted some guy in Mexico with her drink.
Some macho dude knocked her feet out from under her afterwards.

She initiated the altercation and assault.

Now whether he/they was/were sexist or inappropriate (clearly used way too much force) or she was a dumb American or a victim, is not really knowable in the context of that video. For those saying the leg sweep was a lethal attack, you can't really start down that road. He could have shoved her, or slapped her, or punched her and impaled her, or cracked her skull open, or she could have drowned, or, or, or... That's the tricky part about assault. You are responsible whatever happens after you assault someone.

>> ^rottenseed:
It's instinctual to protect our women from those willing to hurt them. To pretend otherwise is naive.


To appeal to instinct with regards to a sociological critique is to miss the point entirely. To accuse someone of naïveté while doing so is just ironic.

I wish he would have elbow dropped her afterward. Then it would have been a kick ass combo!

As a woman that bothered to go out and learn to defend herself I call bullshit on this women are inherently weak crap. Should this situation have happened? No. Why? Because violence has no place in a civilized society.

i just gave Kevlar upvote number 50. that is a sexually virile mancount of votes. kudos.

how many downvotes is westy up to on his... gotta check.

-62!!! MF'ing congrats.

I don't think that anyone said that women are inherently weak. I was explaining to imstellar the reason that most of us feel the way we do about the "we don't hit girls" attitude. I said that women are smaller and weaker on average. Others have said that this particular woman is smaller and weaker than the man assaulting her.

And, yes, all gender issues aside, the violence should not have occurred.

>> ^Creature:
As a woman that bothered to go out and learn to defend herself I call bullshit on this women are inherently weak crap. Should this situation have happened? No. Why? Because violence has no place in a civilized society.

>> ^thepinky:
I don't think that anyone said that women are inherently weak. I was explaining to imstellar the reason that most of us feel the way we do about the "we don't hit girls" attitude. I said that women are smaller and weaker on average. Others have said that this particular woman is smaller and weaker than the man assaulting her.
And, yes, all gender issues aside, the violence should not have occurred.
>> ^Creature:
As a woman that bothered to go out and learn to defend herself I call bullshit on this women are inherently weak crap. Should this situation have happened? No. Why? Because violence has no place in a civilized society.


Take a look at the following. You've explained yourself, but what else am I supposed to infer from these?
>> ^thepinky:
Oh, imstellar, I almost agree with you, but you have to take into consideration that no matter how equal we want to be in other respects, women are biologically different than men. We are smaller and weaker on average. And I think that most of us believe that violence against the weak is more wrong than violence against the strong


>> ^rychan:
>> It's not immoral to think violence against the defenseless is worse than violence against the strong.

>> ^rychan The violence isn't worse against the woman just because it will hurt her more. It's worse because she can't fight back and can't defend herself..


The ability to defend one's self isn't 100% tied to size and physical strength. Certain styles of martial arts actually work better for smaller than average people. The basic skills needed to to defend one's self can be learned by a majority of people. So, while I can understand how traditional roles encourage the delicate flower stereotype (I too tend to get more disgusted when I see a woman being harmed), I tend consider defenselessness to be a choice.

If EITHER one of them hadn't been an idiot, it wouldn't have happened.

Just because some people vote this video up, doesnt change the fact that it is a troll video and should be moderated....

not allowing 100's of videosifters to mark this video as crap pretty much means we are forced to watch it at least once.

I really dont see the difference between this clip and porn.... some people get off on it, some people dont.

I'd say she's about 115 lbs.

>> ^jansen88:
Just because some people vote this video up, doesnt change the fact that it is a troll video and should be moderated....
not allowing 100's of videosifters to mark this video as crap pretty much means we are forced to watch it at least once.
I really dont see the difference between this clip and porn.... some people get off on it, some people dont.


What the fuck? No one is forced to watch this video, dumbass. You click to view it by your own free will.

I agree that women should not be exempt to getting hit if they pick a fight, I'm just saying this woman was not picking a fight, she was defending herself.

I had to rewatch it to see the guy actually tried to touch her before she threw the beer in his face. If you go to touch or hit someone then that is what happened.

What I don't understand is why all these people were watching this unfold behind her without acting. Those people are douchebags too.

>> ^Darkhand:

What I don't understand is why all these people were watching this unfold behind her without acting. Those people are douchebags too.


Herd behavior.

It's called the Way of the Leaf, creature.. didn't you read the Wheel of Time series!

Looks to me like that 'flick to the face' was an attempt to remove her top. I imagine he tried to do another one of those previously and succeeded. She kicked up a fuss about it (understandably) he started making cocky remarks, tried to do it again during the argument, she throws the drink, then he drops her. This is purely speculation but it's the best I can extract from the video.

Of course she doesn't deserve to be dropped. This whole social culture is alien to me. You be a dick to people, people start a public argument, you be a dick some more, you get a mild attack on you, you be a dick again but in a way which is entirely unacceptable. End of video.

I don't see the need for debate on this video, so I'm afraid it's a downvote from me. I don't find it entertaining or interesting. It's just an exibition of the dispicable and undesireable qualities of human nature with little or no relation to the world at large. It's clear from the information available who is in the wrong and that the outcome is undesireable. Opinion aside, moral judgement should be able to answer any discussion to be had.

>> ^thepinky:
Oh, women are biologically different than men. We are smaller and weaker on average. And I think that most of us believe that violence against the weak is more wrong than violence against the strong.

Oh come on tell that to all the women who fought for being accepted beyond their biological differences.

GI Jane.

No Farhad, thepinky is right. Anyone who is larger/stronger than me should absolutely never hit me under any circumstances.

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