You son of a bitch! beat my by 20 minutes!
But now that im here in the comments section....wow

Socrates stated a long time ago that god cannot make a rule good or bad; that has to come from its own intrinsic qualities. Or in other words, god can't make a rule like "It's right to murder"

Idle banter from the desert tribes of 2000 years ago shouldn't be a part of American law.

But when Muslims want to impose Sharia Law in there own territories and countries..

One of the things I like about the ancient philosophers is that they don't pretend they're doing God's work.

Locke et al. (beginning with Augustine - with the exception of Nietzsche and Camus) derive their legitimacy and ground rules from God. Socrates and Aristotle didn't.>> ^JiggaJonson:

You son of a bitch! beat my by 20 minutes!
But now that im here in the comments section....wow
Socrates stated a long time ago that god cannot make a rule good or bad; that has to come from its own intrinsic qualities. Or in other words, god can't make a rule like "It's right to murder"
Idle banter from the desert tribes of 2000 years ago shouldn't be a part of American law.

Dead.

If lusting after my neighbor's female slave is wrong, then I don't wanna be right.

#10 "Neither shall you desire your neighbor's house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

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Euthyphro Contrast. Great stuff.

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Holy divinity batman!!

Sarah Palin wants to make the entire country Kosher and to avoid eating meat with milk??!!

http://videosift.com/video/Don-t-boil-that-baby-goat-The-10-commandments

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Am I wrong but shouldn't her sinful daughter be stoned to death in a town square if we are going by the God of the Bible and those laws???

Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my fucking god!

There are so many things wrong with this! I want to impale my face on some rocks! Trust me, this is how fascism will come to be in America. It will be a unified message between corporatists and fundamentalists, and just when the country is bankrupt from printing the money supply into hyperinflation, a pro-national message will unify us all to give up everything: rights, money, property. You will be a ward of the great nation. A god's nation.

In god we trust?! Did she just cite something that's been around for 60 years as proof positive that this is a Christian nation?! Fuck me running. Fuck my balls off. And the sheep will believe it. Soon revisionists will convince us all this is a non-secular society divinely appointed by statuesque gods named Washington and Jefferson, and a mighty cross upon their escutcheon.

These people need to crack a bio or two of the founding fathers before they spew their bile. They'd be very surprised how anti-fundamentalism a lot of them were. These were, for the most part, intellectuals who believed in the principles of the Age of Enlightenment, which is antithetical to her "down home" one-cross-size-fits-all government. Damn.

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Upvtoe for "...and that is dumb!" comment. It is Helmet-esque!

ugh, America needs to put her on a rocket and send her to mars, so she can hang out with all the rest of the freaks.

Is it me or does it echo when she talks? Must be emanating from that free space between her ears...

What's up with the echo on her end? Could it be that she finally lost the last brain cell and her empty skull is acting as the amplifier?

sigh.......i really wanna cite a thousand different things that counter her dumbass statements...........but i cant really muster the energy to do so

having listened to that has left me drained and depressed. fuck, hearing her voice just makes me hate life

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:


#10 "Neither shall you desire your neighbor's house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."


So, keeping up with the Joneses is against the law. How much jail time should someone have to do for putting Scott's Turf Builder down on his lawn?

Also, what sort of punishment should people get for working on Sundays?

The bombing of the Sistene Chapel begins, I presume, the day after she's sworn in as President? (no graven images) Followed of course by the destruction of most church artwork in the world.

You guys watched this? Man, I saw the title, and then that screen grab of BillO and Palin, and I just can't bring myself to press play. I can guess the contents enough to know.

Holy Shit!

Man, it won't play for me.. and I wanted to see the soulless emptiness in sarah palin's eyes.

They're totally right about the Bill of Rights being based on the Ten Commandments. It's so obvious. Just look at the first ones.

The Ten Commandments:
1. I am the Lord your God; you shall have no other gods before me.

The Bill of Rights:
1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

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Now take this quote out of context and you've got a winner...

"This fundamental transformation of America that some want to see today, I think, again, that it is an attempt to revisit and rewrite history. I think we should just kinda keep this clean and keep it simple. Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant; they're quite clear."

I can't even make jokes about this wench anymore. I'm too embarrassed that we haven't already laughed her off the face of the earth. It seems to me that while politicians aren't generally the most intelligent, since GeorgyB got to play "top dog" for 8 years we have a sorts of morons coming out of the woodwork.

Yet look how close she came to being vice-president. My country is fucked.

What is really unbelievable is the number of people that identify with what she presents. Scary! Hopefully one day in the future the mental virus of religion will be cured, and the people of our species will regain their freedom to think.

gahbajagabahgahgahjahbuhbuh buh buh.

Oh sorry... I was speaking on tongues. Sarah Palin understands it.. I just carelessly forgot that the rest of you unsaved bastards don't speak Jesus-magic-angel-talk.

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
- Treaty of Tripoli, November 4, 1796

Who is re-writing history exactly?

"It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part."
- Federalist No. 51

They were well aware of the pitfalls this country would likely fall in when they founded it.

Alternative link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDkFsTQrd7k

Good lord.

I tried, I honestly did. I got to a minute in. I can't even bring myself to look at her anymore. I opened the comments section and scrolled down and just tried to listen.

Couldn't do it.

When she says freedom of religion she means freedom of judeo-christianity. I hate that.

Ooh, did anyone else catch the contempt with which she says whatever religion?

Well, sometimes I have the impression that most laws were derived from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition as it is.

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Who thought it'd be a good idea to wrap a beaver round her head?

It's funny that she won't show what it really is like at church w/ closed doors. That might turn off a few Americans. In the end the fate of the planet rests in the American Political System or the Large Hadron Collider. I think the APS has a great chance of reaching critical mass and will need much less velocity to get the job done.

APS Blackhole - 1
LHC Blachhole - 0*

*_{They did make 438, but they evaporated almost immediately.}

We also need to remember there's definitely room for a national day of slavery, where we don't force slavery on anyone, just encourage them to participate in it - in accordance with the founding fathers' values, you know, keep it simple.

You know whenever someone here in Texas starts spouting off the whole Obama is the Anti-Christ spiel I quickly point out that its more likely Sarah is the Anti-Christ because its less expected from those who accuse Obama. Mark my words sifters if she ever makes it anywhere close to the presidency you best be getting your asses to a priest.

Actually, the founding fathers wrote conclusively that our laws and constitution are based on British Common Law which originated BEFORE the Romans invaded, therefore they are PAGAN based laws, not Judeo/Christian based. If we are to be a nation based on the religion our constitution is culled from, you had better start begging Thor for forgiveness and denounce Palin... I mean Loki.

If Sarah Palin gets the republican nomination, I will laugh as that party disintegrates.

What an ignoramus. Does she even know that the bible advocates the death penalty for disobedient children, homosexuals, people who work on the sabbath, adulterers, etc?

Does she know that God and Jesus were deliberately not mentioned in the Constitution?

Does she know that Jefferson, who wrote the declaration of independence, denied the divinity of Jesus and published his own version of the bible with all the supernatural bullshit excised from it? Does she know that Jefferson also wrote that the Bill of Rights had erected "A wall of separation between church and state?"

Does she know that Thomas Paine, who wrote the most influential propaganda pamphlet for the American side of the revolutionary war (Common Sense) also wrote The Age of Reason?

The Pledge of Allegiance and the official currency didn't even have any mention of God before McCarythyist scum got to it in the 1950s.

That, together with an official day of prayer, is equivalent to the establishment of Theism as the state religion of the United States government, which is explicitly forbidden by the first amendment.

The establishment clause precludes the US Government from promoting a particular religion or category of religions in its official capacity. People who work for the government can say whatever they want about religion on their free time, but can't use their government authority to promote monotheism.

I don't want to be presumptuous, but I'm gonna go with, no, she does not know.
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What an ignoramus. Does she even know that the bible advocates the death penalty for disobedient children, homosexuals, people who work on the sabbath, adulterers, etc?
Does she know that God and Jesus were deliberately not mentioned in the Constitution?
Does she know that Jefferson, who wrote the declaration of independence, denied the divinity of Jesus and published his own version of the bible with all the supernatural bullshit excised from it? Does she know that Jefferson also wrote that the Bill of Rights had erected "A wall of separation between church and state?"
Does she know that Thomas Paine, who wrote the most influential propaganda pamphlet for the American side of the revolutionary war (Common Sense) also wrote The Age of Reason?
The Pledge of Allegiance and the official currency didn't even have any mention of God before McCarythyist scum got to it in the 1950s.
That, together with an official day of prayer, is equivalent to the establishment of Theism as the state religion of the United States government, which is explicitly forbidden by the first amendment.
The establishment clause precludes the US Government from promoting a particular religion or category of religions in its official capacity. People who work for the government can say whatever they want about religion on their free time, but can't use their government authority to promote monotheism.

Here ya go, people. Straight from the horses mouth arse. Please feel free to quote this out of context for the next 10 years. After all, it's What Bill Would Do.

Billo: "America has evolved and now we're a much more secular nation"

To which I say, "not nearly secular enough!"

>> ^blankfist:

These people need to crack a bio or two of the founding fathers before they spew their bile. They'd be very surprised how anti-fundamentalism a lot of them were. These were, for the most part, intellectuals who believed in the principles of the Age of Enlightenment, which is antithetical to her "down home" one-cross-size-fits-all government. Damn.


They also need to crack open the Bible on occasion as well. Jesus wouldn't like most of the anti-poor free market fundamentalism they preach, either.

@NetRunner, don't pollute the message, homeslice. Conflating anti-poor and fundamentalism with free markets is ill-suited rhetoric.

>> ^jwray:

If Sarah Palin gets the republican nomination, I will laugh as that party disintegrates.


Sadly,that never seems to happen with our two party system. One of the two parties is always the party of opposition. They are who the center of the electorate turns to whenever the party in power doesn't seem to be doing a good job, and the party in power never seems to be doing a good job. The repubs know this better than anyone, their entire strategy at the moment consists of two points 1. Do nothing 2. Criticize everything.

As long as we have the two party system, private election financing (bribe financing), and rampant gerrymandering, this will never change.

>> ^blankfist:

@NetRunner, don't pollute the message, homeslice. Conflating anti-poor and fundamentalism with free markets is ill-suited rhetoric.


Totally justified, "homeslice". Free market fundamentalism is a series of moral assessments that say the poor are poor for good, market-determined reasons, and that any attempt at charity is a horrible attempt to pollute the market by creating moral hazard.

The vast majority of people who are self-described advocates for the free market often use this line of reasoning against any attempt to engage in aid for the poor -- it's not that helping the poor is morally bad, it's just that it's only going to create dependents, rather than do any real good for people. In short, the argument goes, it's always doomed to fail.

You yourself rant this kind of thing at me on a semi-regular basis.

Do you not notice that this argument is fundamentally about assuming that the bulk of the poor are just that way because they're lazy, and trying to give them aid will just reward their laziness?

I've got one commandment for them...

Thou shalt not bear false witness...

I think Faux and Palin would have difficulty with that.

I really despise this woman more every day. And it frightens me that anybody in this country takes her seriously as a potential leader.

There are other kinds of non-zero-sum dynamics besides win-win. For instance, if person A has 1 billion dollars and person B has 0 dollars, then transferring $10 has a very small harm to person A and a very large benefit to person B. The utility of money is basically logarithmic.

I would have made it further, but at 1:55 my head exploded and demons popped out.

How is this not yet in *law?

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@NetRunner , @blankfist : I think "homeslice" may have been poor word choice. "Comrade" might have carried more of the appropriate connotations.

NetRunner, normally I'm with you when it comes to the old government intervention thing, but your comment is a poor expression of their argument, and you know it. The argument is more that forcing others to help the poor is a distortion of the free market. Voluntary charitable actions are to be commended, and in fact reflect the population's willingness to help in the proper proportion.

What they tend to forget about are all the transaction costs including collective action costs amongst others.

I think Blankfist is right, don't confuse the messages. We can all be friends when it comes to keeping this twat away from power.

@bmacs27, I'm perfectly aware of the prevailing excuse libertarians give for why "free market" isn't anti-poor, but I wasn't trying to make their argument for them. I was making my own argument about how Republicans like Palin put those supposedly noble beliefs into practice -- by fighting efforts to help the poor tooth and nail, often by making broad characterizations of poor people as having somehow done something wrong to deserve their poverty, and therefore don't need aid.

With regard to the libertarian argument, I say if there's a moral imperative for people to feed the poor, and there is also a moral imperative for people to refrain from stealing other people's property, there's no reason why the state shouldn't implement laws that make failure to voluntarily comply with both of those obligations a crime -- a breach of the social contract.

Furthermore, my main point was that free market economics and Jesus worship don't mix. Again, read the article I linked for the full argument, but basically most of what Jesus said about economic issues was that greed is bad, selfishness is bad, and altruism is good. There's no reason to think Jesus would say "don't tread on me" to having to pay more in taxes for welfare, social security, or health care reform. In fact, it's pretty safe to say he'd give the people who're talking about violently opposing such a thing quite the firm talking to.

Mostly though, as much as I believe @blankfist is not prejudiced against the poor, I don't think he should be throwing himself on the grenade when I say that the average self-identified "free market" aficionado is anti-poor. To deny that such things are a part of the movement is truly wrong, especially when I'm talking about Sarah Palin's philosophy.

^I'm not anti-poor. I'm the average self-identified "free market"-- er, maybe aficionado is a bit much, but certainly well read arm-chair philosopher of free markets. Still, I'm not anti-poor.

I AM anti-welfare. I AM pro-charity and pro-opportunity.

@blankfist, so everyone cheering for Sarah Palin is deeply concerned about the plight of poor, urban people? Not a one is really worried about welfare queens, no one's worried about illegal immigrants mooching off our wonderful welfare state? No one believes there's a bunch of people who're totally employable that are on the government dole and just kicking back and mooching off the rest of us hard working, "real" Americans?

In short, Lee Atwater was wrong?

You're not average. Take the complement and let me beat up on people who deserve it without trying to die for their sins.

@NetRunner. Meh. I think good people are falling for Palin's 'real America' rhetoric. She doesn't believe what she's saying, that's what I think. I see Republicans like her being a stepping stone to US fascism. No hyperbole intended. I also see a great number of Dems leading us down that path, as well, so don't be too quick to upvote my comment.

But, I do think those are good people listening to her banter. I don't think they're anti-poor. I can safely say a good part of those people are poor themselves or at least lower middle class.

@blankfist I think phrasing it as "a great number of Dems leading us down [the path to fascism]" just makes you look a bit crazy.

There are more than a few Democratic politicians who espouse things I find repugnant, but there aren't a "great number" of those, especially when compared to regular people who self-identify as Democrats (like me).

If you mean that things like health care reform, cap and trade, and net neutrality are all fascist or proto-fascist, you're seriously suffering from Nazi tourette's, and probably couldn't articulate the difference between modern day Europe and Nazi-occupied Europe.

There's real Palinite/Tea Party proto-fascist movement to fight, and you still don't seem to realize that you're either cheering them on, or being an apologist for their behavior 9 times out of 10.

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