JiggaJonson

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A little about me...
Spend 40 minutes of your life learning how to live via sartre http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5997040150951355473 if you dont...well.... http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li94xm5A9W1qcu0bjo1_500.gif

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newtboy says...

Sorry for your family's loss.
My mother and stepfather both caught it in February, but both recovered.

JiggaJonson said:

Don't mistake me, im not unreasonable. Im sure we probably could find someone who didn't add an asterisk and say "IF no one does anything" as an attempt to get ratings. As someone with extra time on his hands who was watching the news nearly constantly though, I didnt see that.

That said, still don't think the claim holds up. Even if there was halfhazard use of that study as a headline creator at times, he's using it as a justification to say basically that there definitely WERE going to be these deaths, and trump stopped them. That is simply not true. If even one single person decided to wear a mask, those numbers drop.

That and there are degrees of good and bad jobs being done, it's not binary.

Closing down the country? good.
Closing it down earlier? better.
Not restocking the emergency stockpilke when warned? bad
Blaming obama when he is the one who fired the pandemic team? asshole
Funneling money for small business relief into his own company and his son in laws? criminal
Opening too soon? bad
Finally encouraging people to wear masks? okay, but could be better

etc.

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my cousin just died
39, 5 kids
she had "fluid on the lungs"
but it's not determined yet the cause
like im saying my mom just called me 1 hour ago
im tryin to find a fucking picture of her on her husband's facebook
but all i can find is shit about not wearing masks and how obama is trying to stop trump from blah blah blah

Did donald trump kill my cousin? absolutely not.
Did he help spread propaganda that encouraged her to not wear a mask and break social distancing because 'MERICA!? yes And he's currently trying to force the RNC to accomodate 50k people in one small space, to boot.

She was 39, 5 kids

newtboy says...

Not only that, it's a worst case scenario based on no one doing a thing over the course of the outbreak if it lasts for years and the medical system is overwhelmed.

As you said, NO CREDIBLE PERSON said it WOULD or even COULD happen in "a few months", or ever in the real world, which was his claim. Only people like Trump intentionally misstating the conclusions to create paper tigers he could slay have said it.

JiggaJonson said:

https://reason.com/2020/03/31/2-2-million-american-deaths-from-covid-19/

Here


"The 2.2 million figure was a projection based on a scenario where not only do the government and private companies not engage in any "control measures," but individuals don't on their own change their behavior to avoid contracting or spreading the virus. The study refers to this possibility as "unlikely," but let's be blunt: it's entirely fanciful. "

That's the origin. So yes, we are doing better than if the entire country 's population of individuals did nothing, AND the government did nothing. That's technically true, but it's about as likely as people sitting at their desks when the office catches fire.

newtboy says...

Dude. Tell me you aren't really surprised. ;-)
You know full well this is straight from the Trump chump playbook. Whenever challenged on the truthfulness of their claims they offer random "proof"...which is NEVER a truthful defense and usually actually proves exactly what they're arguing against, like this time....then they invariably actively ignore any further discussion on the subject to avoid having their nose rubbed in their mess.

That's the problem with blind faith in a convicted con man paired with well below average intelligence and a complete inability to reason or comprehend, it leads to (sometimes deadly) dishonest obstinate obstructionism based on obvious lies at it's best, and it's rarely that good.

Recent polls show that 41% of "Republicans" (Trump voters) actually believe Bill Gates is funding Covid vaccine research in order to secretly inject billions of people with microchips (they have no idea towards what ends, but they know it's true), and another 34% aren't sure but think it's likely true, only 25% are rational enough to say they don't believe it (but in private I bet they're less certain). Do you honestly believe one of these people has the capacity for rationality, truth, or reasoned discussion?

It does explain why republicans don't want to restrict firearms from the mentally defective, 3/4 of them would lose their rights on day 1.

JiggaJonson said:

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This is not what i asked for, this is someone from the Trump administration SAYING that someone in the media is saying that + a bunch of word salad nonsense.

JiggaJonson says...

Dude, tell me you are not this dumb. here's the video and a searchable transcript https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4864096/dr-deborah-birx-modeling

>>>>>>>>>And what about it exactly? she says

"There is no model right now -- no reality on the ground where we can see that 60% to 70% of Americans are going to get infected in the next eight to 12 weeks. I want to be clear about that."

???Oh???
so you have no models that say that ANDDDDD you have no data on the ground that indicates that that is happening? Okayyyy???? WHAT?

We also have no data that there is a giant sea monster attack in Florida AND we have no studies that say that... like what??????? I said "go find ONE example of someone credible saying that shit."


This is not what i asked for, this is someone from the Trump administration SAYING that someone in the media is saying that + a bunch of word salad nonsense.


Come on man, ALLL the media reports of doom and gloom claiming millions will die in the usa! (supposedly)

Use your GO-TO sources for news that you claim are liars. CNN NBC ABC MSNBC You know! It should be easy to find a clip from them from this time period claiming this. After all, you got your information straight from the trump administration, so it's VERY reliable.

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Let's be real here. You got this idea from the Trump admin, and the people at that podium. I appreciate you ferreting out the origin of this information, really. I dig that you went and found something close to someone saying that t5here will be X many million deaths, but at some point, you have to admit that YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT BEING HONEST.

bobknight33 says...
JiggaJonson said:

You are such a fucking liar.

Show me. Show me where in Jan, in Feb, in March, anyone with a shred of credibility said those things. It was all over right? everyone was saying it? go find ONE example of someone credible saying that shit.

Oh, and the president is not a credible source.

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newtboy says...

Sorry, Bobby only supports taking government help if you don't need it, making him exactly the kind of welfare queen his ilk claim to hate with a passion.

JiggaJonson said:

When did you become a welfare queen like that? Like I'm just wondering what made you change your mind that you said "that's it im going to start being on welfare."

I thought you hated stuff like that, i still haven't gotten my check, but I believe in good government policy that uses socialized programs to help people in times of need. I thought you would be living in the woods or on Walden pond or something by now.

Instead you became a welfare queen. I never would have thought you were a welfare queen but I guess tha'ts the way of it.


WELL I'll look forward to you NOT giving people a hard time for taking needed help in the form of government handouts in the future since you're a welfare queen now too.

bobknight33 says...

What BS are up pushing?

Blaming Trump for begin at the for front and Democrats railing against his measures.

Personal responsibility and sensibility are foremost not government.. Protect yourself and your loved ones..

Your spin is like blaming Obama for SARS or EBOLA. Grow up.

Trump is the right man for this job.

JiggaJonson said:

I now have 5 students who have lost parents, ??? how many have lost grandparents.

These are the parties responsible for this mess in the USA:

THE MONEY MAKING PROPAGANDA YOU SUPPORT
THE PRESIDENT YOU SUPPORT WHO REPEATS IT
THE SYCOPHANTIC FOLLOWERS (LIKE YOU) WHO REPEAT IT

These are the fruits of your labors; I hope it comes back on you TEN-FOLD.

bobknight33 says...

Trump is doing a great job.

Local state leadership is ALSO needed not the bitching from Democrats, and fear mongering from the fake news.

Federal rules and laws helped slow down actions of federal actions. Trump took care of those.

Also Trump indicated that hydroxychloroquine is a promising solution and media dogged him.

Media has Trump wrong 100% of the time. You know that cant be true.
Heep you head up CNN ass and drink their Kool Aid.

JiggaJonson said:

300,000 infected. South Korea isn't a communist country, it's a democracy modeled after the United States.

They are also an ally of the USA and have done (based on a percentage of total population) more testing than us. Still, they were able to contain this virus with decisive action and clear guidelines.


That's called leadership.

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