Stop Torrenting!

DVDs - the way movies were meant to be seen
BoneRemakesays...

If movies where actually good, and worth the seven dollars to rent, I would. I watch too many movies, and throughput is massive, I am always left with the feeling and generally say literally " glad I did not pay for that "

VoodooVsays...

Too bad pirating isn't stealing. Really wish they'd stop lying. Pirating is copyright infringement and infringement isn't stealing.

That said, I condemn movie torrenting. TV on the other hand...

Deanosays...

Bloody hell that was bad. I like the way the boring geeky has software with huge status messages, a desktop with two icons and torrenting software that is really slow.

I think the worst insult is the Kinect-style circle of model friends.

What copyright holders now have to realise is that physical media is going to die out. There are going to be pros and cons for both them and us. I see an immediate advantage in that I really don't have the space anymore to be piling up DVDS. I really don't want these things.

It's like music all over. They have to offer a better download service than torrents, add features and benefits. Build in an "achievement" system, allow you to stream/download your movies to any device. Then we'll be laughing and won't mind paying either.

But they could just start by removing the stupid anti-pirating messages on DVDS - pirates never see them!

LarsaruSsays...

Yup, this sucks so bad there isn't a measure or a word that completely explains just how bad this is.
I mean 200+ hours before dl complete and file corruption using a bittorrent client... I mean sheesh...

Long live my 100Mbps/100Mbps uncapped internet for 26.7 US dollars/month (165 Sek/month)

gwiz665says...

Lol, they torrent from the worst sites.

The real deal is exactly the opposite.

The pirate gets the movie before the DVD owners.
The pirate can see the movie without warnings, commercials and trailers.
The pirate can use his $30 on beer and socializing.
The pirate doesn't need a crappy dvd box.


As long as pirating offers a better service and/or product it will continue getting bigger.

gwiz665says...

Oh you glorious Swedish bastard, why do you have such cheap awesome internet while I have to prostitute myself for my measly 4/1 Mbps!
>> ^LarsaruS:
Long live my 100Mbps/100Mbps uncapped internet for 26.7 US dollars/month (165 Sek/month)

LarsaruSsays...

>> ^gwiz665:

Oh you glorious Swedish bastard, why do you have such cheap awesome internet while I have to prostitute myself for my measly 4/1 Mbps!
>> ^LarsaruS:
Long live my 100Mbps/100Mbps uncapped internet for 26.7 US dollars/month (165 Sek/month)



We have it so that you can't have it, because that is the way the Internet works! Right?
Also because you are a Danskjävel It helps to live in a university town though as there are about 7 different ISPs competing against each other here...

Just for fun I checked up on some North American ISPs (Since I'm not in NA I might have found only the crappiest of ISPs there after my exhaustive 2 minute google-fu exercise) and man are they robbing you guys over there... broadband with the "amazing" speed of 0.5-4Mbps for a similar amount or more than I pay for 100/100... I mean WTF mate?

There is a saying in Sweden: Freedom starts at 100Mbps

entr0pysays...

I love how the pirate has no friends, no living room and no overhead lighting. Just an empty cereal bowl and a portrait of a dog for company. This man needs some movies to keep him going. Don't deprive him of that.

Yogisays...

>> ^entr0py:

I love how the pirate has no friends, no living room and no overhead lighting. Just an empty cereal bowl and a portrait of a dog for company. This man needs some movies to keep him going. Don't deprive him of that.


Yeah my friends and I torrent wrestling shows and get together on weekends to watch them all. It's fun, socializing, we even go places sometimes and watch them on the way to say San Francisco.

jwraysays...

>> ^LarsaruS:

>> ^gwiz665:
Oh you glorious Swedish bastard, why do you have such cheap awesome internet while I have to prostitute myself for my measly 4/1 Mbps!
>> ^LarsaruS:
Long live my 100Mbps/100Mbps uncapped internet for 26.7 US dollars/month (165 Sek/month)


We have it so that you can't have it, because that is the way the Internet works! Right?
Also because you are a Danskjävel It helps to live in a university town though as there are about 7 different ISPs competing against each other here...
Just for fun I checked up on some North American ISPs (Since I'm not in NA I might have found only the crappiest of ISPs there after my exhaustive 2 minute google-fu exercise) and man are they robbing you guys over there... broadband with the "amazing" speed of 0.5-4Mbps for a similar amount or more than I pay for 100/100... I mean WTF mate?
There is a saying in Sweden: Freedom starts at 100Mbps


That's pretty awesome. I pay $59.99/month for 20/2.

conansays...

in the time these guys go to the store and buy the disc i downloaded at least 3 full-dvd rips. and when they watch the forced anti piracy PSA and the forced trailers i'm already watching the movie. seriously, this is economics: if your product can't compete you're going down the drain.

shuacsays...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^entr0py:
I love how the pirate has no friends, no living room and no overhead lighting. Just an empty cereal bowl and a portrait of a dog for company. This man needs some movies to keep him going. Don't deprive him of that.

Yeah my friends and I torrent wrestling shows and get together on weekends to watch them all. It's fun, socializing, we even go places sometimes and watch them on the way to say San Francisco.


San Francisci? So how'd ya came? Didja drove & didja flew?

If you "get" that reference, then I'll eat my hat.

rogueWRXsays...

You pirates need to STOP WATCHING this streamed video! It took you 700 hours to buffer it and all your friends are out watching REAL YouTube DVDs of it in the meantime and also having sex!

Croccydilesays...

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

My DVD sits and tells me not to copy it for 10 mins...I think I would rather download it that have that inconvenience forever.


This is why even on DVDs I own I have to re-rip them to get rid of all the junk you are forced to watch because of PUOs (Prohibited User Operations by the way). Being able to hit Root Menu without the stupid cross symbol = yay.

>> ^gwiz665:

Lol, they torrent from the worst sites.
The real deal is exactly the opposite.
The pirate gets the movie before the DVD owners.
The pirate can see the movie without warnings, commercials and trailers.
The pirate can use his $30 on beer and socializing.
The pirate doesn't need a crappy dvd box.

As long as pirating offers a better service and/or product it will continue getting bigger.


Exactly this as well, why I stopped paying $20 a pop for the "real" thing when you can get high quality rips now that go straight to the movie, do not pass go and do not show annoying advertisements. I understand with Netflix and rentals now they are putting out special "degraded" discs that are lacking special features but from what I've seen they can keep that extra fluff. I think I have about 230 retail DVDs and of those I may have looked at the special features on perhaps 10 movies. Often they are poorly done as well and lopped on to give you a sense of value.

mgittlesays...

>> ^ZappaDanMan:

so true, i hate when i'm 253 hours through a torrent and it corrupts


Yes...they forgot that torrents come in pieces and you can just re-download any corrupted ones.

I can only remember having a corrupted torrent piece once out of like 2TB of downloads.

FlowersInHisHairsays...

I'm surprised people still justify torrenting films because of ads and copyright notices and such at the beginning of DVDs. I forget all about them once the movie starts. Is it really that much of a problem for some people? It's such a trivial amount of time to wait compared to the length of the film.

spoco2says...

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

I'm surprised people still justify torrenting films because of ads and copyright notices and such at the beginning of DVDs. I forget all about them once the movie starts. Is it really that much of a problem for some people? It's such a trivial amount of time to wait compared to the length of the film.


I think it's more the fact that the studios keep putting crap on the product that they are trying desperately to tell us is better than the copies we download. They have to gall to say 'BUY THE DVD DAMMIT', and then you do and they make you sit through trailers and anti piracy (The irony is obviously lost on them) ads before you're allowed to watch the movie.

I truly, hand on heart, actually do torrent movies to see if they're worth buying. The number of films I've bought these days that I would never have had I not found out they were awesome via downloading them first is countless.

Also, I download them while I'm waiting for bloody Australia to get the release. Tron Legacy... still not out here on DVD/BluRay, but I've already downloaded a 720p beautiful copy so I could have a movie night with the kids watching it. Oh yes I will buy it when it comes out, and I went and saw a midnight screening, opening night, but seriously, why do we have to wait so much longer than the rest of the world to get it?

FlowersInHisHairsays...

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
I'm surprised people still justify torrenting films because of ads and copyright notices and such at the beginning of DVDs. I forget all about them once the movie starts. Is it really that much of a problem for some people? It's such a trivial amount of time to wait compared to the length of the film.

I think it's more the fact that the studios keep putting crap on the product that they are trying desperately to tell us is better than the copies we download. They have to gall to say 'BUY THE DVD DAMMIT', and then you do and they make you sit through trailers and anti piracy (The irony is obviously lost on them) ads before you're allowed to watch the movie.
I truly, hand on heart, actually do torrent movies to see if they're worth buying. The number of films I've bought these days that I would never have had I not found out they were awesome via downloading them first is countless.
Also, I download them while I'm waiting for bloody Australia to get the release. Tron Legacy... still not out here on DVD/BluRay, but I've already downloaded a 720p beautiful copy so I could have a movie night with the kids watching it. Oh yes I will buy it when it comes out, and I went and saw a midnight screening, opening night, but seriously, why do we have to wait so much longer than the rest of the world to get it?

It's not ironic at all. If they didn't put the anti-piracy warnings on DVDs, where else would you ever see it (except at the cinema, where they're just as annoying)? The pirates, understandably, remove them. Where are they supposed to put it? Really, it's no inconvenience to me at all to see a 30-second anti-piracy ad when I've already set aside 2 hours to watch a movie anyway.

I've never been sold on the whole torrent-as-trialware thing. I just find it hard to believe that anyone who torrents a movie would later bother buying the DVD. Especially not if they've already downloaded a perfect 720p screener that they can keep on their hard drive!

dagsays...

I tried watching a DVD last night for the first time in a while.

There were the usual warnings and about 10 minutes of lame trailers that I wasn't allowed to skip past. At some point I accidentally closed the player and restarted it, at which point all the warnings and previews started again. Got frustrated and opened it instead in VLC - which let get right to the movie, but the disk started skipping about 15 minutes in, didn't look scratched, but must had a small one. Gave up - went to bed.

This is not an atypical DVD watching scenario. They blow. >> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
I'm surprised people still justify torrenting films because of ads and copyright notices and such at the beginning of DVDs. I forget all about them once the movie starts. Is it really that much of a problem for some people? It's such a trivial amount of time to wait compared to the length of the film.

I think it's more the fact that the studios keep putting crap on the product that they are trying desperately to tell us is better than the copies we download. They have to gall to say 'BUY THE DVD DAMMIT', and then you do and they make you sit through trailers and anti piracy (The irony is obviously lost on them) ads before you're allowed to watch the movie.
I truly, hand on heart, actually do torrent movies to see if they're worth buying. The number of films I've bought these days that I would never have had I not found out they were awesome via downloading them first is countless.
Also, I download them while I'm waiting for bloody Australia to get the release. Tron Legacy... still not out here on DVD/BluRay, but I've already downloaded a 720p beautiful copy so I could have a movie night with the kids watching it. Oh yes I will buy it when it comes out, and I went and saw a midnight screening, opening night, but seriously, why do we have to wait so much longer than the rest of the world to get it?

It's not ironic at all. If they didn't put the anti-piracy warnings on DVDs, where else would you ever see it (except at the cinema, where they're just as annoying)? The pirates, understandably, remove them. Where are they supposed to put it? Really, it's no inconvenience to me at all to see a 30-second anti-piracy ad when I've already set aside 2 hours to watch a movie anyway.
I've never been sold on the whole torrent-as-trialware thing. I just find it hard to believe that anyone who torrents a movie would later bother buying the DVD. Especially not if they've already downloaded a perfect 720p screener that they can keep on their hard drive!

pmkierstsays...

I don't mind paying to see a movie, but

a) I sure as hell am not driving to the video store *twice* to get/return it, plus wait in line, go through the endless "no they don't have it", plus zero help in picking a movie

b) I sure as hell am not buying it for $20 bucks. Fuck off. I'm gonna watch once, twice tops.

So, you can rent it to me on iTunes (not likely , bastards hate making the available for rent), rent it to me on Netflix (here in Canada, difficult, limited titles and the publishers don't want to play ball) or you can forgo the revenue and leave me my own devices. I seem to get left to my own devices a *lot*.

spoco2says...

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
I'm surprised people still justify torrenting films because of ads and copyright notices and such at the beginning of DVDs. I forget all about them once the movie starts. Is it really that much of a problem for some people? It's such a trivial amount of time to wait compared to the length of the film.

I think it's more the fact that the studios keep putting crap on the product that they are trying desperately to tell us is better than the copies we download. They have to gall to say 'BUY THE DVD DAMMIT', and then you do and they make you sit through trailers and anti piracy (The irony is obviously lost on them) ads before you're allowed to watch the movie.
I truly, hand on heart, actually do torrent movies to see if they're worth buying. The number of films I've bought these days that I would never have had I not found out they were awesome via downloading them first is countless.
Also, I download them while I'm waiting for bloody Australia to get the release. Tron Legacy... still not out here on DVD/BluRay, but I've already downloaded a 720p beautiful copy so I could have a movie night with the kids watching it. Oh yes I will buy it when it comes out, and I went and saw a midnight screening, opening night, but seriously, why do we have to wait so much longer than the rest of the world to get it?

It's not ironic at all. If they didn't put the anti-piracy warnings on DVDs, where else would you ever see it (except at the cinema, where they're just as annoying)? The pirates, understandably, remove them. Where are they supposed to put it? Really, it's no inconvenience to me at all to see a 30-second anti-piracy ad when I've already set aside 2 hours to watch a movie anyway.
I've never been sold on the whole torrent-as-trialware thing. I just find it hard to believe that anyone who torrents a movie would later bother buying the DVD. Especially not if they've already downloaded a perfect 720p screener that they can keep on their hard drive!


Well, you may not be sold on the concept, but I certainly do it. I like having physical media... archaic I know, but there you go. I don't even use iTunes or other digital music download services because the few times I have I hate the feeling of only having some mp3s to show for it that I might delete... it just doesn't feel tangible to me.

Also, I love the special features on movies. I bought Star Wars Eps 1-3 purely for the special features (the movies are crap). Also, in the case of Tron with the 720p... well, I'll be buying the DVD/BluRay version so 1080p there. Also, the sound is better on the official releases.

So, believe it or not, but this is the way I work. It also comes down to me wanting to support the makers of films that I like, but not wanting to buy DVDs sight unseen.

kceaton1says...

So, so, so, so, stupid... Plus once you make a media server AND have Netflix, it's near pointless to have other things.

The best secondary deal I've seen is Comcast's Xfinity which has digital phone (land line before)/cable (DirecTV before)/Internet (12/4 before, still Comcast) all together through one service. A LOT of on demand stuff both online (more online; even your iPad will work) and on the box. Adding them to one service, together, took our overall payments down 90$/month (in SLC, UT) and our Internet went to 20/8.

deathcowsays...

Movies come out so quick now on blu-ray and DVD that there is practically no reason to expose oneself to the risk of getting logged as a copyright infringer. Go pay a couple bucks at blockbuster, big effin deal. It would take less time to dupe a bluray from BB and leave out all the ads and unskippables than it does to download and burn it. (LazuruS's fat pipe excluded)

> Long live my 100Mbps/100Mbps uncapped internet for 26.7 US dollars/month (165 Sek/month)

no shit man i wish i could pay for my internet with seks

Here in Wasilla I have to use _money_ to pay for internet and its $100 for 5 megabits down, 256kbs up, with a 40 GB cap.

spoco2says...

>> ^deathcow:

Movies come out so quick now on blu-ray and DVD that there is practically no reason to expose oneself to the risk of getting logged as a copyright infringer.


Except the big part of not wanting to pay for a movie that you haven't seen.

I have four kids 7 and under, we hardly ever get to go to the movies any more, so that avenue of seeing a movie before buying is out of the question for most movies. Going to a DVD store and hiring discs, and then having to find the time to take them back is just fricken painful to the extreme, can't remember the last time we did that.

>> ^deathcow:

It would take less time to dupe a bluray from BB and leave out all the ads and unskippables than it does to download and burn it.

Bah and humbug. Setting a movie to download and forgetting about it until it's there, waiting to watch on my media server is WAAAAAY less time consuming than going to a video store, bringing it home, waiting for it to rip, then choosing the bits you do and don't want etc. etc.... man, that takes TIME man.

I have been downloading torrents for 7 or 8 years now, and have had ONE notice from a movie company emailed to me via my ISP at the time, and that was years ago. Nothing AT ALL came of that, and the ISP I'm with now, iiNet is on the forefront of battling the movie companies in court against them having to do anything at all to customers who download. So I don't think I'll be seeing much from them.

Again. I really DO download as a precursor to buying IF I actually like the film. If I didn't like it then they didn't lose anything by me doing so because, as I said, I never get time to watch them any other way.

deathcowsays...

> I have been downloading torrents for 7 or 8 years now, and have had ONE notice from a movie company

Records are out there somewhere. You've been sensed at this activity many times I assure you.

Mazexsays...

I dont see pirating as a bad thing, I mean I wouldnt buy most movies i download anyway so it's not like the company are losing anything. Plus they have enough money and they aren't doing much to innovate the industry, mostly just churn out hollywood template films or films based on books/comics nowadays.

Infact by saving my money and spending it on other worthy industries, I'm helping the human race more. People counter piracy by saying if everyone pirated then movie companies would go bankrupt, but if movie companies even started to see a loss overall per year they'd do something drastic to even the balance and if that meant the end to downloading online for a cheaper and better alternative to the current movie industry, then pirating helped advance human civilization.

VoodooVsays...

I don't torrent movies simply because I feel movies are ridiculously cheap and easy to get. I also don't buy the "torrent as trialware" line either...either you like a movie enough to watch it, or you don't. If you are curious enough to watch a movie, you'll rent it, no one is forcing you to buy anything and there is a sort of unspoken consent that guess what...you may actually not like this movie. There is no such thing as a guarantee to liking a movie so every movie is a risk that I accept. Movies are ridiculously quick to be released on DVD so it's not exactly hard to wait for DVDs to be released and rented to find out if you like them, not to mention word of mouth from friends and family and critics reviews to add to your information to make an informed decision on whether or not you like or don't like a movie enough to actually buy it.

TV on the other hand is broadcast over the air and either never to be shown again or rarely to be shown again. Cable companies overcharge for their services and their equipment And for some reason, most season DVDs of TV are ridiculously expensive. And on top of it, once I've watched it...I rarely feel the need to watch it again so I delete it. Maybe a couple years down the road I'll want to watch it again, but ill download it, watch it, and delete it again. Movies I tend to re-watch over and over so I feel I get my money's worth even for the more expensive DVDs. And on top of it, many TV stations now stream their shows for free off the internet which, IMO is no different from torrenting.

Movie DVDs offer me value for my money, TV DVD's do not. I realize that may be a fleeting or subtle distinction, but that's how I see it.

VoodooVsays...

>> ^BoneRemake:

If movies where actually good, and worth the seven dollars to rent, I would. I watch too many movies, and throughput is massive, I am always left with the feeling and generally say literally " glad I did not pay for that "


seven bucks to rent? holy crap, where are you renting from because you're getting ripped off.

a buck a day to rent in my area

Sagemindsays...

Yup, Blockbuster here charges $7 for a one day rental on current releases here as well.
But for $12.99 they'll throw in a bag of Microwave popcorn and a 591 mL bottle of pop (soda) - So the Value is totally built into the price

>> ^VoodooV:

>> ^BoneRemake:
If movies where actually good, and worth the seven dollars to rent, I would. I watch too many movies, and throughput is massive, I am always left with the feeling and generally say literally " glad I did not pay for that "

seven bucks to rent? holy crap, where are you renting from because you're getting ripped off.
a buck a day to rent in my area

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