That sucks!

Quick, Everyone reformat your hard drives - Just in case...

So there I was, downloading cute photos of little yellow duckies to use on my 5 year old's birthday cards..., I was therefore completely shocked when the "young chicks" photo I downloaded contained porn. I quickly hit the delete button to get rid of that nasty photo and get it off my computer - 2 years later, the Feds show up and now I'm going to prison...

OK, I think the bastards trafficking this (kiddie) stuff are sick puppies who need to be charged but this is such blatant stupidity, that it's ridicules. These Asshat "Officials" need to get off their high horse and and make the obvious judgment call and go find some actual bad guys!

This could have happened to anyone downloading even the most innocent of files. Does this mean one person can start putting up black-listed/red flag material, miss name it on purpose and start sending every computer geek in the world to prison - just for fun?

Wow. That advice at the end to take your computer to the authorities if you discover that you've accidentally downloaded something, is sooo dangerous. Seriously, how do you imagine that conversation is going to end?

reformat is irrelevant.. it can be recovered just as easy as deleted files.. you'd have to do a multiple pass security format which can take an hour or so depending on disk size and speed

this 1984 shit will force us all to encrypt our harddrives and internet connections
then what will they do?

>> ^shole:
reformat is irrelevant.. it can be recovered just as easy as deleted files..

That's what DBAN is for

the most important lesson is: if the fucking fbi shows up at your door asking to look on your computer, tell them to come back with a warrant. if they had followed that common sense advice it probably never would have happened.

Thought crime.

What are the US laws regarding kiddie porn? Surely there must or should be some requirement to prove intent. And the federal justice system sucks. I saw somewhere that 80% of federal cases are plea bargained because the federal statutes impose such heavy maximum penalties that alleged offenders can be intimidated and blackmailed into accepting plea deals rather than risk 20 -40 years in prison. I think it was a documentary about the railroading of Tommy Chong.

I can believe this guy, I was lucky that when I discovered the danger (and alarming frequency) of people misnaming files on things like emule and limewire, I hadnt downloaded anything criminal.

This guy's public defender is an idiot, or the guy could be lying to the news about how much and what type of porn he had on his system.

Random unsorted deleted images are not in any way enough evidence to prosecute. This kid would do better to do a little research himself and show his public defender some of the preexisting case law that defines the amount and type of evidence that allows this type of prosecution.

*quality
People need to know about this. Here's a question, much like mp3 downloads, how can the prosecution even prove it was he who downloaded the files? How can they prove intent if the fucking file was mislabled? If I do an unfiltered google image search, not even see a thumbnail of some 13 year old, and it's in my cache am I a sex offender now?

What the FUCK, I am pissed about this kid's situation.

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by JiggaJonson.

Yes, not to be too much of a cynic, but this reminds me of "he said, she said"s I've known of where one very reasonable-sounding party has calmly announced that they "were only" and then downgraded what they did so severely that anyone who knew about the facts was horrified.

Maybe this guy was victimized. Maybe this guy is doing what most real criminals and abusers do: playing down or denying his crime.

>> ^shole:
reformat is irrelevant.. it can be recovered just as easy as deleted files.. you'd have to do a multiple pass security format which can take an hour or so depending on disk size and speed
this 1984 shit will force us all to encrypt our harddrives and internet connections
then what will they do?

No you don't. A single pass is nearly good because of the drive density, and overlapping rewrites on a drive as the sectors are rewritten on a normal pass. You should look up some of the more current information on drive fragmentation and magflip recovery using pass electron microscopes. Seriously if they're going to use an electron microscope to look at your drive, they're only going to recover 30% or so anyway.

Topic at hand: I'm just going to say that the law in the US on this stuff is broken. You guys are pretty set on the whole "think of the children" no matter what, yeah well wake and start fixing your judiciary as well as your laws. He had possession by the barest thread of proof, but he didn't have knowledge of it. KCC people. Knowledge, Consent, Control.

You all realize that this man didn't kill, rape, molest, or even touch a kid right? All he did was take a hard drive which he owns, and program a series of 1's and 0's into it. If you think altering the surface of a hard drive is a crime, you've either got your head so far up your ass that you can't see past your nose or you are just dying to suck off the next authority figure you come across.

Below is the thumbnail of an illegal image which I just downloaded off limewire and uncompressed as a binary string. Hope you don't have your cache enabled or you're all going to prison!

010101000101010000001010101010010111111010111101110111011101010001010101010101010101
010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101
101010110111111111001011011110000011110101101010110101011010101101010110101011010101
101011010010110101101001011010110100101101011010111111010010110000011101110101101011
101010101011010101010110101010101101010101011010101010110101010101101010101011010101
101011110101110101111010111010111101011101011110101110101111010111010111101011101011
101010111110101111010111010111101011101011110101110101111010111010111010101110101110
101010111010111010101110101110101011101011101010111010111010101110101110101011101011
101010101011110001101010101010101100010001111110011101110111101010101010101101010101
101010101010101011010101010101010110101010101010101101010101010101011010101010101010
010111110101110011010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101
101010111110101111010111010111101011101011110101110101111010111010111010101110101110

I used to worry about this sort of thing whenever I went to 4chan. Apparently the FBI doesn't care if the CP is some small thumbnail that was automatically downloaded when you refreshed the page. It seems the only way to be safe is to stay away from any website where other users can post things.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/03/rick-rolled-to-child-porn-youre-a-pedophile-says-fbi.ars

^Way to take the air out of the point I was trying to make. Should I post the binary string of the full image then?

>> ^imstellar28:
You all realize that this man didn't kill, rape, molest, or even touch a kid right? All he did was take a hard drive which he owns, and program a series of 1's and 0's into it. If you think altering the surface of a hard drive is a crime, you've either got your head so far up your ass that you can't see past your nose or you are just dying to suck off the next authority figure you come across.
Below is a 10 pixel by 10 pixel illegal image which I just downloaded off limewire and uncompressed as a binary string. Hope you don't have your cache enabled or you're all going to prison!
010101000101010000001010101010010111111010111101110111011101010001010101010101010101
010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101110011010101010101
101010110111111111001011011110000011110101101010110101011010101101010110101011010101
101011010010110101101001011010110100101101011010111111010010110000011101110101101011
101010101011010101010110101010101101010101011010101010110101010101101010101011010101
101011110101110101111010111010111101011101011110101110101111010111010111101011101011
101010111110101111010111010111101011101011110101110101111010111010111010101110101110
101010111010111010101110101110101011101011101010111010111010101110101110101011101011
101010101011110001101010101010101100010001111110011101110111101010101010101101010101
101010101010101011010101010101010110101010101010101101010101010101011010101010101010
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your argument is not valid . Say i secretly took a photograph of naked children using a digital camra , it would not be fair for me to use in my defence that all i did was capture the light data and store it in 1s and 0s.

or say im a paedophile that collects "real" images of naked children but I store them as highly realistic drawings.

the piont is I would be in possession of "pedophilic" images and as far as the law goose I would be guilty of possession the format data is stored in is irrelivent. Although what I think you were getting at is that all that matters is intent and I would agree with that , but its hard to prove and disprove intent legally.


now personally I think there is a huge difference in downloading and sharing paedophic content over actually making it and for example pedophilic drawings that are purely imginated.
I dont think there is neceserraly a corsal link from sharing henti or child porn and abusing children directly , i do think that if you get off on child porn then you should seek help or get help if you wanted to actualy abuse sumone against there will.

for example people that draw and share bestiality , and furry porn enjoyers might not ever actually want sex with the animals its more the idea and the idea often dose not conform with reality in real life animals smell and are stupid and shit themselfs , im pritty sure that manny people that are into furry stuff would not ever have sex with a real creature for these reasons ( although there will also be some who will want sex with creatures specificly for these reasons) It will be the same for pedophilic images some people will just like the fantasized idea of having sex with young people but because in reality it would actually hurt and mentally damage sum one against there will they would never do it. If you actively share real images of children I think you should be stopped as those images at the route did damage to sum one and were acquired against the child's knowledge and will. If you share drawings that were from the imagination then I don't see a problem with it, unless sum one could show me a causal link with looking at henti and then that making you want to abuse real children .


in short the only time something should be illegal is if it dose significant harm to others and yourself or takes away others or your own basic freedoms.

as for this case if the guy is telling the trouth then its utter bullshit, if the guy is lying then he should go to a mental hospital and learn how to controle and deal with bing a pedophile.

standard prison is no help to society or this guy ether way.

my wife knew an older lady who was a registered sex offender. All because her son looked at content on her computer. It was her computer so she was charged with the crime.

>> ^westy
You all realize that this man didn't kill, rape, molest, or even touch a kid right? All he did was take a hard drive which he owns, and program a series of 1's and 0's into it.

Taking a picture isn't illegal (freedom of the press?). However, abducting a kid, forcing them to strip in your house...etc...well that would be illegal and those 1s and 0s would then become evidence. Heres where you argument is wrong: you are at a baseball game filming the next batter, and all of a sudden a streaker runs out on the field. You later find out he was 17 and now you are a pedophile. Sorry but taking pictures isn't (shouldn't be) a crime.

Why do you think its legal for parents to take naked pictures of their babies in the bathub?

"in short the only time something should be illegal is if it dose significant harm to others and yourself or takes away others or your own basic freedoms. "

I agree with you 100% here, but I don't see how that is consistent with what you are saying above. Arresting someone for their contents of their hard drive is like making it illegal to draw or write certain phrases or pictures on your own paper, with your own ink. Theres really just no way such a law wouldn't be a human rights violation.

>> instellar28

yah in the end Intention is all that matters

, my point is that if you took the photo of a child to get off on it then that is child ponography. same as if I draw that child , or made carving out of rice crispies.
the mideaum in which data is stored is not relivent to the discussoin.

what's relivent is

a) did you harm a real world person
b) are you actually a paedophile that is trying to indulge your urge to actually go and have sex with real children

so in your bass ball and parent example

a) no harm was done
b) its unlikely the parents are paedophiles

so we can then evaluate the data and agree that even though some could view it as paedophilic in this context it is not pedophilic.


the problem we have with the FBI and many people is a cultural one and a lack of knowledge.
most people don't realise that its reasonably easy to acidentaly come across child porn , if your a heavy internet user or into internet culture. The whole situation is made worse by the taboo's surrounding Pornography internet culture and child porn.

the second problem is that the only evidence you are left with in some casses is the data on the hard drive , which in any case for a guilty paedophile or a non guilty internet person would always be 1s, and 0s


the solution is for the FBI to have a reasonable process that would discern a real paedophile over sumone who happened to stumble on child porn. for example the amount of content the user has omn there pc , the consistency of images , users organising the images , the acessablity of the images to the user , the contacts the user has if they are pedophiles. in short there are manny ways that the FBI could use to more acuretly asess a users intent.

One more witch burned! The intertubes are surely safer now, right?

i've been using usenet and p2p for years, i've been hit by the child porn fairy. I'm in a state of disbelief. every time i think our government can't get any lower, it proves me wrong.

Jesus christ.

Well, lesson learned now I guess, I'm never downloading anything but mp3's again, like, ever.

The amount of mislabled shit is astounding, and most of it is obviously mislabled with malicious intent. You can do a single search and a file will come back with the exact same thing with a few new words on it to mislead. Search for something and it comes back "(Search) - new hit single" and right off the bat, you've just downloaded something you didn't want, not knowing what it could possibly contain.

I feel for this guy, I truly do.

Now if you'll all excuse me, I need to go buy a new hard drive and throw this one in a lake somewhere..

Who knows what the fuck could be on it now.

Lol remember the gay porn version of leaked HL2 ?

I didn't personally download it but I found it amusing.

Learn to delete that shit properly - it's not hard. I agree with both westy and imstellar on this, and I do think he's being victimized.

He should go to prison just for using Limewire. IMO. Limewire Sux.

Feel bad for the guy, but Limewire = Pwnd.
(specially on the family puter. jeez, next time learn how to hack b4 surfing for pr0n dude)

He must have had enough of it for quite some time for them to send him to prison too. That's where he's screwed.
IF SO, HAVE PHUN GETTING RAPED IN PRISON, PEDOPHILE!

ONLY PEDOBEAR HAS THOSE SKILLS. LOL!

I did forensic computing at university.. I believe it is actually against the law to reproduce sexually explicit images of children, because we were taken through a big chain of custody thing, processes at the scene and then later on, where you had to go through certain steps to (if i remember correctly) make sure you specifically did NOT make copies of a suspect's hard drive, because you would indirectly be reproducing images of children and be breaking the law yourself.

I remember it being very complicated to investigate because of this.

We were also told, however, that whilst images were an implication of something, it wasn't necessarily the end of the story. It was a full investigation, not simply a hunt for pictures/videos/whatever. We had to identify how the pictures came to be, establish intent, etc.

That's in england though. But i find it very difficult to believe that a computing forensics investigative team in any country would forego all of this, find one picture, but not bother to find where it came from (it could have been put onto his pc by someone else), and send him to jail based on this.

What a horrible situation. The first mistake was allowing the FBI access without a warrant, and the second mistake will be pleading guilty. There's no way anyone with a grain of understanding and reason could not have reasonable doubt in this case. What the hell is wrong with the FBI?

Xax, you're right if you're assuming his intent was to download child pr0n in the first place. in that case, who cares? he's guilty as charged! fuck pedophiles.

Assuming he did not intend to download said material, his first mistake was to use Limewire to get pr0n! Every idiot knows 85% of Limewire is something other than what it's supposed to be and loaded with viruses. I'm sure it just wasn't a few files. He probably was getting loads of it for several months straight and watching it otherwise they wouldn't send him to prison.. think about it.

So ask yourself, why are you defending this pedo perp?

The real lesson here is, don't use Limewire to get Porn. That's it. Case closed.

If what he says really is the whole truth then his life is going to be so much harder from now on
I feel bad for him.

Totally ridiculous. His "public defender" should go back to flipping burgers.

This is a problem addressed and solved on Law and Order years ago. Set up a degausing loop around your computer room door, disguise it. When the idiot police remove your computer, the degausing loop will erase and jumble your hard drive data making it un-recoverable. At least, that's the claim (made by more than just Law and Order) I've never tested it.
Handing your computer to the police is the worst idea I've heard in years. There's nothing to stop them from charging you just because you brought them the evidence. It just makes it easier for them to convict. That woman should be sued by the first person to take her advice who gets prosecuted.
This public defender should be disbared for such assinine advice, if what they said is true.

Degausser...Would it work? Maybe. Degaussing renders the magnetic media completely unusable and damages the storage system...ok? A better plan for "illegal" down loaders is to act as joe2 suggested, tell the FBI to return with a warrant..BUT-What if (chances are good they do) they already have one secured....yer screwed.

A simpler, foolproof plan is to employ a system of RHI (Remote Hardware Incineration) near the front door or in a pocket. Feds arrive, push button, and an electronic fuse ignites detcord easily attached to the internal harddrive of yer PC. Bobs yer uncle, harddrive annihilated.(Remember how Mel Gibson got rid of his evidence in Conspiracy Theory?)

If I had been this fella, released prior to sentencing for a goodbye dinner with mom and dad????....You'd never find me again in the U.S. again, ever. Oh and I'd start a new hobby....rendering my fingertips, palms, and pinky-sides of hands, undetectable by inkage...cause, they got my prints in more than one database. Fuck the Dumbshitz!

>> ^choggie:
Degausser...Would it work? Maybe. Degaussing renders the magnetic media completely unusable and damages the storage system...ok? A better plan for "illegal" down loaders is to act as joe2 suggested, tell the FBI to return with a warrant..BUT-What if (chances are good they do) they already have one secured....yer screwed.
A simpler, foolproof plan is to employ a system of RHI (Remote Hardware Incineration) near the front door or in a pocket. Feds arrive, push button, and an electronic fuse ignites detcord easily attached to the internal harddrive of yer PC. Bobs yer uncle, harddrive annihilated.(Remember how Mel Gibson got rid of his evidence in Conspiracy Theory?)


Ahhh, but you might recall in Conspiracy Theory, his RHI also incinerated his building. Now, if you are willing to submit yourself to an arson charge (and probably attempted murder, since you would be starting a fire with the police in your house, they would certainly enter when they saw the fire start) rather than have your data looked at, then that's a good choice, but I disagree that it's simpler. Setting up a degaussing loop is plug and play, way easier than setting up a det-chord fireing button (but not nearly as fun). Personally, I think a "tampering with evidence" charge is preferable.
Also note, if the feds come to your door looking for evidence without a warrant, then return with a warrant for that evidence, and you have destroyed it in the mean time, you are (probably) guilty of tampering with evidence, even though it wasn't in the feds custody as evidence yet.
(this is not legal advice, it is opinion, and I am not a lawyer)

I just done saw my first readable choggie comment.

>> ^hollywooddigital:
Xax, you're right if you're assuming his intent was to download child pr0n in the first place. in that case, who cares? he's guilty as charged! fuck pedophiles.
Assuming he did not intend to download said material, his first mistake was to use Limewire to get pr0n! Every idiot knows 85% of Limewire is something other than what it's supposed to be and loaded with viruses. I'm sure it just wasn't a few files. He probably was getting loads of it for several months straight and watching it otherwise they wouldn't send him to prison.. think about it.
So ask yourself, why are you defending this pedo perp?
The real lesson here is, don't use Limewire to get Porn. That's it. Case closed.


I'm sorry, have you been named judge, jury, and executioner without my knowledge? I sure hope not, especially if you've made up your mind that this guy is guilty based on the flimsiest of evidence and a local news clip.

I won't apologize for having respect for the notion of reasonable doubt and due process. Here's hoping you never find yourself being wrongly accused of breaking the law. Scratch that - I hope you do; we'll see how long that blind trust lasts.

You can start to purge your ignorance by watching 12 Angry Men. It seems to me that 12 Italian jurors would've benefited from watching the film as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmann_method


Horse shit, you could go to a normal fucking website and accidentally download something like this. With out you knowing.

Its called Trapeware, and XSS.

Where by the attacker can scam a user into thinking its a legit site, and then boom they have malwarez, and all sorts of crazy shit.

Possession of certain bit sequences is a strict liability in the US.
Ergo, if some spammer decided to spam it to everyone in the US, then everyone in the US would be a felon.

>> ^jwray:
Possession of certain bit sequences is a strict liability in the US.
Ergo, if some spammer decided to spam it to everyone in the US, then everyone in the US would be a felon.


Or maybe some disgruntled Microsoft employee happens to insert certain images into the "gold" release of Windows 7 before it's shipped to the publisher?

here's the headline, "Millions of Pedophiles in previously-unknown-web-ring Busted! By pure coincidence every single suspect running Windows 7."

Moral of story: Don't download terabytes of child porn then tell the media it was one or two pictures.

They wouldn't charge someone over a couple of deleted pictures. He obviously had a ton. No one who wasn't feeling a lot of guilt would voluntarily be branded a sexual predator. That shit doesn't get expunged.

Let's be honest here, chances are this guy downloaded some kiddy porn and made up this story. But even then his sentence is obviously vastly disproportionate. 3 years or so of likely being in prison is bad enough, but being labelled a sex offender and essentially never having a job again is just immensely unfair.

I'm sure ultimately most people would agree that in cases like these the punishment inequitable to the crime, but clearly no politician makes it their agenda to change this, and similarly no individual person is going to bother lobbying their member of government about this either.

Which is a pity, because if you consider the fact that having a vast directory of sex offenders which have generally done hardly anything wrong (especially in those cases where it was just kids with a couple of years of age disparity sending naughty pictures to each other) it means that the amount of time that police can devote to supervising the real sex offenders is vastly diminished. Which ultimately allows them to commit more of the serious crimes that people are justifiably so riled up and sensitive about.

Nobody in prison is ever guilty, just ask them.

The reason this story sounds so unbelievable is because it is. If things really happened the way he claims, there's no way his public defender would advise him to plead guilty. Hell, with all of this media attention, there's no way he'd be sticking with that public defender - I'm sure a top-notch defense attorney would jump on the chance to be in the spotlight if they thought they could get him off. There's obviously another side to this story that we're not hearing.

>> ^Arg:
Wow. That advice at the end to take your computer to the authorities if you discover that you've accidentally downloaded something, is sooo dangerous. Seriously, how do you imagine that conversation is going to end?


I disagree... If you happened to accidentally download something like that from P2P or random browsing, I think it would be your responsibility to report it ASAP. Maybe the situation will be uncomfortable to talk about and you may have to admit to being a pervy porn addict (aren't we all? ), but the end goal is to try to stop the circulation of child pornography, which is a noble cause. And I HIGHLY doubt you'd get yourself arrested or in trouble, unless they had evidence that showed you were actually involved in kiddie porn, rather than an accidental download.

There are real children involved in this kind of shit.. it's really serious, imo. It could be scary, cause of stories like this one, but I really think you gotta report it if you ever see it.

PS: I have heard of people getting arrested cause of having child porn on their computers or for getting caught by officials. But I've NEVER heard of someone getting arrested for reporting child pornography. So just to reiterate my previous comment - report it if you see it. If anything, not reporting it looks pretty damning, I'd think.

Or maybe I'm just too trusting of the "system."

I am with the "This guy is feeding us BS" story.

For starters, the fbi come to your house a YEAR after you've downloaded a single photograph or 3 off of limewire. If the police havn't formed a case against you in 4-6 months, they arn't caring. And a case dosn't go to 4-6 months unless there has been some repeat offenses.

Second, if you save a file and delete it within a short period of time (delete, not move to the trash bin), then the file will most likely be unrecoverable within the next few minutes to the next hour. Your hard drive still fills from the bottem up (I believe in the literal sense, from the outer disk to the center) and temp data files will soon be written over it. This is why undelete tools don't work to well since the windows 2k days. Sure if you did a massive undelete, you could fine files, but chances are the specific file you are looking for is gone.

Third, if the file was deleted a year ago, the police would need to do such an indepth recovery they would need to send the HD to a lab, something I doubt this guy or this guys parents allowed, and court orders don't get written for a single image from 1 year ago.

Limewire is such shit, I stopped using that years ago after a fried mobo. From what others have told me, torrents are much safer. Especially if you read the reviews on it, and check the file description.

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I don't believe for a second that this is the real story. I heard not one sentence from an opposing point of view. Reporting one side of a controversy is *not* journalism, and is not anywhere near reliable.

Who the hell sill uses Limewire?

They do have an excellent (legal) MP3 store though!

Also, if you are using limewire or some other peer to peer file sharing application, you better be sure you've never downloaded copyrighted content before reporting to the authorities that you found child porn.

"Yeah, I was downloading a hacked copy of Halo and some movies and some music, and one of them was child porn! I was so shocked, I just had to report it!"

This whole news story sounds like a bait and switch tactic that the FBI put out to either scare people or bring people in who've downloaded illegal content...not necessarily child pornography. Just like Max stated above; you think they'll just forgive all the other haX0red applications/games/music/movies you ALSO happen to have (because come on, everyone does) on your computer?

The FBI has also employed a "honey pot" scheme to entrap individuals into child porn, etc. It just really seems like they are a lazy bunch of assholes who don't know how to do any real work.

Although...I'm sure the only morons that would willingly bring their computers to the police and have them confiscate it for weeks are the very same people who DON'T download illegal software, etc. because they don't know how.

Yeah, it could be fake, like why is he not crying about the fact that he is about to become someones bitch?

So why does this guy have a public defender? It looks like his family is fairly well off.

>> ^braindonut:
>> ^Arg:
Wow. That advice at the end to take your computer to the authorities if you discover that you've accidentally downloaded something, is sooo dangerous. Seriously, how do you imagine that conversation is going to end?

I disagree... If you happened to accidentally download something like that from P2P or random browsing, I think it would be your responsibility to report it ASAP. Maybe the situation will be uncomfortable to talk about and you may have to admit to being a pervy porn addict (aren't we all? ), but the end goal is to try to stop the circulation of child pornography, which is a noble cause. And I HIGHLY doubt you'd get yourself arrested or in trouble, unless they had evidence that showed you were actually involved in kiddie porn, rather than an accidental download.
There are real children involved in this kind of shit.. it's really serious, imo. It could be scary, cause of stories like this one, but I really think you gotta report it if you ever see it.


Erm, actually it's stories like this that lead me to make my original statement. Maybe things haven't got this bad yet in your part of the world.

You would have to be a moron to turn that kind of stuff in. There is noone I would even mention it to, much less show them. Especially people with the power to do just about anything they want with your freedom. While, most likely, they wouldn't do anything to you, there is always that chance that you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and with child porn. I don't know about you, but I would securely delete it and never mention it to a sole.

But in reality here, it was deleted and inaccessible, even to himself, so it is obvious that he did harm to no person. He didn't give money to the creeps that sell that crap. He didn't actually have the sex with anyone. He wasn't involved with the initial crime in any way. So what harm did he do to deserve any punishment at all? Why don't they go after the people who are actually doing harm to children instead of some dude downloading a bunch of files for free, that isn't hurting a single sole. This kind of crap pisses me off.

You want to know what you have on your computer? Download Backtrack 4 Live DVD Linux Boot Disc. Then boot from CD, or Jump Drive which ever you prefer. Then run the forensic tools to scan deep into the system.

Registering as a sex offender is as bad as the jail time. Good luck EVER finding a job, or even a place to live.

I'm sticking to my guns on the Limewire aspect. His mistake was using that POS.

You guys have a point about the propaganda aspect too. wouldn't surprise me the least.

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