funny, i thought is was christians that fucked little kids.

I thought it was a parody, until I went to godtube. oh. my. god. You mean there are people running around with the atheism?

lol, THIS WAS BRILLIANT. hold it! this is a parody...right ? has to be. please tell me it is...someone...

what would jesus do?

Atheists may even be watching this video. Boogity boogity boo!

Dammit, she's infected me with the stupid.

Her kids are gonna grow up to be atheists. Almost certainly.

There is an Athiest sitting in my seat commenting on this video right now

wait if atheism is infectious what does that say about the strength of your faith?

Infect me with your cranial contagion. Ravish my brain with science and humanism. Put your disease in me so that I may infect others.

This is a parody (I think). Godtube got punked (I think).

"It starts in your brain, then works its way to your heart, and then it goes back up to your brain and works its way into your MIND. And that's when you know you've really got the Atheism."

Man, how can this not be parody? I think she's a genius who's infiltrated Godtube.

*dark, *lies, and I really, really hope that this girl is a GENIUS (* parody).

Adding video to channels (Dark, Lies) - requested by nibiyabi.

I think this is too well produced to have been made by someone who honestly calls it "the atheism" and say it "starts in your brain, works its way to your heart, then goes back to your brain, then works its way into your mind, that's when you really know you've got the atheism".

I don't believe that someone so silly could make this video. So yeah, parody.

^That line seems really telling to me when I listen again. It's so absurd -- it starts in your brain and moves to your heart. That's very stupid, but I could see someone saying it. But then saying that it moves back into your brain and that's when you know you've "got the atheism"? This girl is too good to be true. I'm cautiously invoking *parody here. If the consensus turns out to be otherwise, so be it.

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perfect example demonstrating god's love.


she asks "WWJD"?
well, the jesus from matthew, mark, and luke would probably talk about compassion and not judging people. the jesus from the book of john would scream at you and then ask for 37 cents so he can get a cheeseburger.

This is parody. This girls youtube name is thinkmorepink. She is athiest and does many videos similar to this one. I can't believe this is on godtube. I don't think I will ever stop laughing at that.

>> ^sometimes:
perfect example demonstrating god's love.

she asks "WWJD"?
well, the jesus from matthew, mark, and luke would probably talk about compassion and not judging people. the jesus from the book of john would scream at you and then ask for 37 cents so he can get a cheeseburger.


Mmm... cheeseburger.

blah, parody.

This is a parody? Thank god.

"Infected with the atheism"

Fuck that made me laugh. The continued use of "the" atheism...

I LOVE IT!!!

See, this is what I love about devout religious people... They amuse me!

*parody! but hilarious
the last line..."they built your computer" yup, or did God to it?!

Adding video to channels (Parody) - requested by Zonbie.

Breath the same air that you breath?

Lady, don't write checks your body can't cash.

This has to be *parody, it must be. The last parts sort of make it obvious, I think.

But I love that people doubt whether it is or not.. shows a bit about theists, no?

Words cannot describe how relieved I was when I found out it was a parody. But I hope noone at GodTube gets any ideas from this.

And the Ghostbusters cartoon at 2:07 was hilarious!

Omg no, my computer was built by atheists! Isn't e-mail powered by magic?

Why? tell me why athiesm is a threat. I feel so sorry for her daughter

This really reminded me of "JAAAAAM".
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaaaaam)

Especially the slightly trippy music and the grainy, understated interview style.

total chris morris.

i go with the *parody. trouble is, i am guessing loads of people on god tube commented "powerful, moving video, god bless you for spreading His love".

i am almost scared to look...

the only thing that makes me doubt that this is parody is.... the casting is SO GOOD.

I've seen this girl before...she is an atheist. This is definitely parody.

awesome, the godtube comments are mostly pointing out one of the following facts:

a)this is a parody.
b)jesus loved all people regardless of beliefs, job function, status in society, and he asked you to do the same.

i might have to surf godtube for a while.

GodTube! Home of the Jesus Vlog.

Oh cool! I was wondering what Negativeland had been up to!

Holly Hate Literature Batman!!!!!
Why are are people always trying to find some new to HATE!!!!

"Gawk"

Well, if this is a parody, and it seems that it is, GodTube keeping it "as Posted" still reeks as hate literature to me. - just saying...

KILL THE UNBELIEVER!!!!


Wait... what's the 'no U turn' sign got to do with it?

Parody or not, there really ARE dolts just like this who hate me just as much, for the same ridiculous reason. There are even countries who would kill me for my lack of mad religio team spirit. Scary...

Atheism? Oh yeah, the religion where the practitioner tells everyone all the time that they're an atheist, whether asked or not.

You've only got one life to live. Don't waste it not telling someone you're an atheist!

Too, too funny! So glad to hear it's a parody, cause it was skating real close to the line for parts of it.

And here's the Jesus-Busters logo: http://www.atheists-online.com/store.asp?shop=04200

>> ^quantumushroom:
Atheism? Oh yeah, the religion where the practitioner tells everyone all the time that they're an atheist, whether asked or not.
You've only got one life to live. Don't waste it not telling someone you're an atheist!


People are saying it more now, and you're seeing it more now, because they're just rallying against the stigma of saying it at all. People are saying it loud and proud because they don't want it to be considered a BAD thing anymore. In the USA it is still considered by the majority to mean that you lack moral substance and are of a lower quality if you identify as an atheist. If you're so turned off by people saying they're atheist, perhaps try and attune yourself to hearing how many times people pronounce their love of god, or god bless america, or thank god in their acceptance speeches, or make kids say the lord's prayer in school, and so on and so on... You don't notice because you're used to it, or/and you believe in it... so you think it's 'normal'... us atheists have to hear about other people believing in god far more than you have to hear about us not.

"there could even be an atheist sitting right next to you" *pans in on the old lady in the picture* rofl. well done well done. and if you couldn't tell it was a parody then wow.

god tube, hah!

What's to her left that she keeps looking at?

so we're all agreed, a Jihad on atheists is the only solution.

my computer was built by the angel Gabriel.

A perfect example of Poe's Law.

wow, what a self-righteous, self-centered, for lack-of-a-better-word...person.

isn't it her Christian duty to save her friends soul, rather than stab her friend in the back like that?

Jesus would tell her to stop being a psycho and ask for her friend's forgiveness.

I was in a hurry when i saw the video and commented. So this is confirmed as parody? I thought it was legit, being that there are people out there like that...

>> ^SSIops:
wow, what a self-righteous, self-centered, for lack-of-a-better-word...person.
isn't it her Christian duty to save her friends soul, rather than stab her friend in the back like that?
Jesus would tell her to stop being a psycho and ask for her friend's forgiveness.


Sometimes I feel like I am the only person that actually reads through all the other comments before posting my own comment...

If you read all the comments, then you'll end up being the 45th comment. Or making a valuable contribution.

Wouldn't want that.

People are saying it more now, and you're seeing it more
now, because they're just rallying against the stigma of
saying it at all. People are saying it loud and proud because
they don't want it to be considered a BAD thing anymore.

By itself, atheism is not a bad thing. But since the human
heart is infinitely deceptive, atheism solves nothing either.
Religious superstition is replaced by moral relativism and
"rationality" that is masterful at hiding its own emotional
drives. You're in the same boat as everyone else.

I don't think beings who cannot see germs or x-rays with their
plain eyes or past the 13 billion light year "edge" of the
universe with technology have any business announcing with certainty that,
"There is no God." My opinion.

Atheists remain a tiny minority and their bases for
eliminating all traces of religion from American society are
plainly wrong. Whether you accept it or not, religion has
always been a vital force in countries' historical DNA, usually with a surplus of goodness over evil.

As an atheist you must accept that all actions have no bad consequences except when discovered by others.

As an atheist you must accept that Hitler and Mother Teresa
both ended up in a void of nothing.

I don't believe "the gods" condemn anyone for being an atheist
but I do believe all are subject to laws of karma. Again, an
opinion.

Above all, I don't think atheists are necessarily happier than anyone
else. That's probably why there's never been any kind of mass "conversion" to unbelief, except at gunpoint by evil governments.

>> ^quantumushroom:
As an atheist you must accept that Hitler and Mother Teresa
both ended up in a void of nothing.

Depending on what you know of the history of both figures, even a believer could contend that they both ended up in the same place.

On another note, I have to hand it to you QM, that was the most non-hostile, least trolling comment I think I've ever seen from you. Keep up the good work.

A lot of those clips are from "Jesus Camp", not the kind of thing that a churchgoer would watch

>> ^quantumushroom:
People are saying it more now, and you're seeing it more
now, because they're just rallying against the stigma of
saying it at all. People are saying it loud and proud because
they don't want it to be considered a BAD thing anymore.
By itself, atheism is not a bad thing. But since the human
heart is infinitely deceptive, atheism solves nothing either.
Religious superstition is replaced by moral relativism and
"rationality" that is masterful at hiding its own emotional
drives. You're in the same boat as everyone else.
I don't think beings who cannot see germs or x-rays with their
plain eyes or past the 13 billion light year "edge" of the
universe with technology have any business announcing with certainty that,
"There is no God." My opinion.
Atheists remain a tiny minority and their bases for
eliminating all traces of religion from American society are
plainly wrong. Whether you accept it or not, religion has
always been a vital force in countries' historical DNA, usually with a surplus of goodness over evil.
As an atheist you must accept that all actions have no bad consequences except when discovered by others.
As an atheist you must accept that Hitler and Mother Teresa
both ended up in a void of nothing.
I don't believe "the gods" condemn anyone for being an atheist
but I do believe all are subject to laws of karma. Again, an
opinion.
Above all, I don't think atheists are necessarily happier than anyone
else. That's probably why there's never been any kind of mass "conversion" to unbelief, except at gunpoint by evil governments.


I don't disagree with the intention of your words, but I have a few problems:

Why would it matter whether Hitler or Mother Teresa go to heaven or hell, or anywhere in between? I've never understood the significance of an afterlife. In my opinion, the idea of an afterlife is gluttonous. Why are we so obsessed with living forever?

Also, moral relativism exists whether you choose to believe so or not. If it didn't, we wouldn't need police, jail and prison systems, mental health facilities, military or psychiatrists. The fact is, people can and will do what they want (or what the voices in their head want) when they want. Whether or not a god or gods exist has no bearing on this reality. Even if you believe it does, your belief does not change the fact that murder, rape, disease, supernovas and golden parachutes happen. It's our responsibility to prevent these things from happening, not a gods.

Now, if you're thinking the way I think you're thinking, which is that religion provides us with absolutes, the problem becomes thus: Which god or gods, tenet, belief system do I believe in? There really is no absolute answer, and if there is, only a handful of people in the world (universe?) will ever know. There's this thing called truth (which even itself is somewhat difficult determine) -- does truth matter or is it merely the idea that matters? If it's only the idea of religion that matters, you haven't solved the so-called problem of moral relativism, you've only hidden the truth from the believer so that they do the "right" thing. So in other words, you're lying. Is lying bad? Yes.

^quantumushroom


Your post is peppered with so many logical fallacies that I don't want to validate it as an argument. I WOULD however like to point out that most of the post makes little sense unless you make huge assumptions about a variety of different topics.

Honored to have my video reposted here This is thinkmorepink, from Youtube, the original maker of this video, and yes, it's satire

oh to add, the response from people on godtube was HILARIOUS. I posted the video there as well as on my channel on YT.

>> ^thinkmorepink:
Honored to have my video reposted here This is thinkmorepink, from Youtube, the original maker of this video, and yes, it's satire


Well, it is sensational work. Of course, it is also darn scary that we could actually, even for a moment, consider it real... because there are far too many people out there that have these... I don't like to use the term 'thoughts' for what goes through their heads... but yeah.

Welcome to the sift!

Well, it is sensational work. Of course, it is also darn scary that we could actually, even for a moment, consider it real... because there are far too many people out there that have these... I don't like to use the term 'thoughts' for what goes through their heads... but yeah.
Welcome to the sift!




Thank you so very much

>> ^quantumushroom:
By itself, atheism is not a bad thing. But since the human
heart is infinitely deceptive, atheism solves nothing either.


I do love that assertion about the human heart, stated as fact... makes little to no sense, but let's continue.

Religious superstition is replaced by moral relativism and
"rationality" that is masterful at hiding its own emotional
drives. You're in the same boat as everyone else.

No, completely missing the point. People who blindly follow the bible do so with no reason. They don't stop and think "Hmmm, is it wrong to hate gay people? On what grounds am I actually hating them?". Whereas when you're an atheist you base your morals and are open to discourse, rather than the blanket 'nope, not talking about it, the bible says it... end of story'. Trying to suggest that this is somehow hiding emotionality is bullshit, emotions can come into said discourse just as much, in fact moreso than in religion, which teaches to SUBDUE your emotions, IGNORE your feelings... if you're a man and you feel love for another man... well, that's wrong buddy, the bible says so.



I don't think beings who cannot see germs or x-rays with their
plain eyes or past the 13 billion light year "edge" of the
universe with technology have any business announcing with certainty that,
"There is no God." My opinion.

STOP DOING THAT! Gah, I hate that fr*cken bullshit of saying 'you can't be certain there's no god'... WE DON'T SAY THERE'S NO GOD. We're saying there is no evidence to suggest there is one, so to spend every sunday worshiping something that by all accounts doesn't exist seems a bit silly. We're happy to be shown to be wrong by SOME SORT of evidence... ANY would be nice. Stop saying that we are saying for certain that there is no god. We are saying that we THINK there's no god, but those with an open mind are happy to accept further evidence on the matter.

Atheists remain a tiny minority and their bases for
eliminating all traces of religion from American society are
plainly wrong. Whether you accept it or not, religion has
always been a vital force in countries' historical DNA, usually with a surplus of goodness over evil.

OK, firstly... Atheists are hardly a 'tiny minority', you may wish to think so, but sorry, it ain't true. First link off google on the matter 16% are non religious. That's not a 'tiny minority' by any stretch of any imagination. Then, if we look at the wikipedia entry we can see that just getting any sort of number is fraught with problems in classification, self identification etc.

THEN secondly... it's HARDLY that anyone is trying to eliminate all traces of religion from a country... it's a case of everyone is perfectly free to believe what they want... BUT when ONE religion starts enforcing IT'S beliefs on the populous via government THEN things are wrong. Passing law based on the bible, making Creationism be taught in science is all absolute bullshit and SHOULD be stopped. But that in no way is trying to suggest that people can't go to church, be religious, pray or whatever and do so without fear. It's the religious folk who are making those without religion feel fearful because of the way they are being treated.

As an atheist you must accept that all actions have no bad consequences except when discovered by others.
This is such tripe. What you're saying is that religious people are only good because they fear for the repercussions of a vengeful god. The way I live my life is that I don't do bad things because I wouldn't like those things done to me, so why should I inflict them on someone else. To me that's FAIR... if the only reason you're 'good' is due to fear of repercussions, then really... you're not good at all.

As an atheist you must accept that Hitler and Mother Teresa
both ended up in a void of nothing.
Um... yep. I see no issue here.

I don't believe "the gods" condemn anyone for being an atheist
but I do believe all are subject to laws of karma. Again, an
opinion.
Above all, I don't think atheists are necessarily happier than anyone
else. That's probably why there's never been any kind of mass "conversion" to unbelief, except at gunpoint by evil governments.

I don't think atheism is an instant trip to being happier either, never said it was. I also don't think that you are necessarily unhappy if you're religious. I know plenty of lovely religious people... I have no issue with them being religious, I go to their religious ceremonies, quite like their pastor in fact... they don't try to convert me, and I don't try to convert them... everyone is happy.

Geeze... trying to suggest that 'evil' governments have converted people to atheism... man... firstly where the hell does that come from, and secondly don't even start on that unless you want to defend the crusades and violent missionaries 'converting' savages to Christianity... don't even go there, that's just nuts...

- By itself, atheism is not a bad thing. But since the human
heart is infinitely deceptive, atheism solves nothing either. -

While most Americans believe that getting rid of religion is an impossible goal, much of the developed world has already accomplished it. Any account of a “god gene” that causes the majority of Americans to helplessly organize their lives around ancient works of religious fiction must explain why so many inhabitants of other First World societies apparently lack such a gene. The level of atheism throughout the rest of the developed world refutes any argument that religion is somehow a moral necessity. Countries like Norway, Iceland, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark and the United Kingdom are among the least religious societies on Earth. According to the United Nations’ Human Development Report (2005) they are also the healthiest, as indicated by measures of life expectancy, adult literacy, per capita income, educational attainment, gender equality, homicide rate and infant mortality. Conversely, the 50 nations now ranked lowest in terms of human development are unwaveringly religious. Other analyses paint the same picture: The United States is unique among wealthy democracies in its level of religious literalism and opposition to evolutionary theory; it is also uniquely beleaguered by high rates of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy, STD infection and infant mortality. The same comparison holds true within the United States itself: Southern and Midwestern states, characterized by the highest levels of religious superstition and hostility to evolutionary theory, are especially plagued by the above indicators of societal dysfunction, while the comparatively secular states of the Northeast conform to European norms. Of course, correlational data of this sort do not resolve questions of causality--belief in God may lead to societal dysfunction; societal dysfunction may foster a belief in God; each factor may enable the other; or both may spring from some deeper source of mischief. Leaving aside the issue of cause and effect, these facts prove that atheism is perfectly compatible with the basic aspirations of a civil society; they also prove, conclusively, that religious faith does nothing to ensure a society’s health.

Countries with high levels of atheism also are the most charitable in terms of giving foreign aid to the developing world. The dubious link between Christian literalism and Christian values is also belied by other indices of charity. Consider the ratio in salaries between top-tier CEOs and their average employee: in Britain it is 24 to 1; France 15 to 1; Sweden 13 to 1; in the United States, where 83% of the population believes that Jesus literally rose from the dead, it is 475 to 1. Many a camel, it would seem, expects to squeeze easily through the eye of a needle.

Oh no! I'm infected with atheism and all along I thought it was a choice.

I am torn between upvoting for the awesome woman with the severe acting skills and a great sense of humor and downvoting for the self-satisfied Atheist rhetoric that always gets tossed around and upvoted like mad on videos like this. It surely is a dilemma. Perhaps I just won't click.

I really hate this shit, cuz it makes me (a devout man of faith) look like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure......lemme check.......ya I'm sure I'm not an idiot.

she "got the atheism"?! My goodness nooooooooo!!!!!

She makes it sound like her friend has the friggin plague.

Unfortunately this is the Christianity you all bare witness to here in America. I (and many others I'm sure) are trying to change that image =)

I don't disagree with the intention of your words, but I
have a few problems:

Why would it matter whether Hitler or Mother Teresa go to
heaven or hell, or anywhere in between? I've never understood
the significance of an afterlife. In my opinion, the idea of
an afterlife is gluttonous. Why are we so obsessed with living
forever?

Most people wish to see good deeds and work rewarded and bad
deeds and evil punished. That's how we roll on earth. I find it amusing that you wouldn't care about rewards versus punishment for MT and Hitler, yet you find the 'golden parachute' concept upsetting.

Yes, for most people, God serves in part as a kind of Keeper of Scorecards, but rewards and punishment may be only one aspect of an "afterlife" which technically is consciousness after this life.

You're perhaps assuming that the endgame of religion is to
follow rules now to live in a Heaven forever, which would mean
some sort of consciousness apart from a Creator. That may not
be it at all. Buddha described Nirvana as 'the end of
suffering' and left it at that. Buddhism is atheistic.

Also, moral relativism exists whether you choose to believe
so or not. If it didn't, we wouldn't need police, jail and
prison systems, mental health facilities, military or
psychiatrists. The fact is, people can and will do what they
want (or what the voices in their head want) when they want.
Whether or not a god or gods exist has no bearing on this
reality. Even if you believe it does, your belief does not
change the fact that murder, rape, disease, supernovas and
golden parachutes happen. It's our responsibility to prevent
these things from happening, not a gods.

You claim moral relativism exists, but for the atheist, does evil exist?

Which way of living demands more responsibility, the
religious person trying to follow moral precepts or someone who
doesn't necessarily care what happens because nothing finally
matters; death is the End? I don't want to live in a society
where everyone makes their own rules up as they go along; few
atheists would either.

Since for the atheist there is no Prime Mover behind what
society commonly defines as "goodness", why would an atheist
seek to enforce any kind of (self) responsibility at all? If
you felt bad about hurting someone because you didn't treat
them according to the Golden Rule, why not just kill them? If
there was no afterlife they would simply cease to exist along
with their pain and the question of right or wrong would be moot.

Yes, I'm being a tad silly, but hopefully I've made some half-assed point that, "Morality has to come from somewhere."


Now, if you're thinking the way I think you're thinking,
which is that religion provides us with absolutes, the problem
becomes thus: Which god or gods, tenet, belief system do I
believe in? There really is no absolute answer, and if there
is, only a handful of people in the world (universe?) will
ever know. There's this thing called truth (which even itself
is somewhat difficult determine) -- does truth matter or is it
merely the idea that matters? If it's only the idea of
religion that matters, you haven't solved the so-called
problem of moral relativism, you've only hidden the truth from
the believer so that they do the "right" thing. So in other
words, you're lying. Is lying bad? Yes.

You are perhaps basing your argument against either the
existence of God or belief in God on the idea that since
religions provide conflicting statements, all of them must therefore be
false.

Religions are not God. Religion is a human endeavor and
therefore flawed, whereas the nature (or concept) of God is
perfection.

If I say, "We are breathing air" in English and you say it in
French, is one of us 'lying?'

Also, to many atheists why is 'lying' only a feature of religion? You mean atheists never tell lies--even little ones--when it suits them?

Faith is not logical and much of religion isn't either, but to dismiss them all out of hand seems rather absolute, in a world where "there are no absolutes".

We can all agree when out brains die, if there is nothing, we will "experience" nothing forever. If there is an afterparty, atheist and believer alike will go "somewhere" even if it's only within their own consciousness.

>> ^quantumushroom:
By itself, atheism is not a bad thing. But since the human
heart is infinitely deceptive, atheism solves nothing either.

I do love that assertion about the human heart, stated as
fact... makes little to no sense, but let's continue.

Let me rephrase, because I want this to be crystal clear: the
atheist, by default, has declared him or herself to be the
sole judge of what is right and what is wrong, and no other
standards other than their whims or how they're feeling at any
given moment defines morality, goodness, evil, etc.

Even if they do not do so, atheists still must believe that
they are free to pick and choose which laws to obey, the
same exact way those hypocritical religious people pick and
choose which parts of their religion they will follow.

Atheists' highest authority is...themselves.



Religious superstition is replaced by moral relativism and
"rationality" that is masterful at hiding its own emotional
drives. You're in the same boat as everyone else.

No, completely missing the point. People who blindly follow
the bible do so with no reason. They don't stop and think
"Hmmm, is it wrong to hate gay people? On what grounds am I
actually hating them?".

Who is to say you're not blindly following the people
declaring that, 'Christians all hate gays?'

Whereas when you're an atheist you base your morals and are
open to discourse, rather than the blanket 'nope, not talking
about it, the bible says it... end of story'. Trying to
suggest that this is somehow hiding emotionality is bullshit,
emotions can come into said discourse just as much, in fact
moreso than in religion, which teaches to SUBDUE your
emotions, IGNORE your feelings... if you're a man and you feel
love for another man... well, that's wrong buddy, the bible
says so.

The Bible has many passages about slavery, yet it was the
political movements of religious people the world over that
freed the slaves. To blanket-condemn the Bible or even the Quran seems a tad harsher even than the false assertion that all Christians must hate gays.

I understand atheists' contempt for the blind obedience of
fundamentalists, but if you're declaring all religion as evil
because of one segment of an infinite human endeavor, I'd
suggest you're being a tad closed-minded.



I don't think beings who cannot see germs or x-rays with their
plain eyes or past the 13 billion light year "edge" of the
universe with technology have any business announcing with
certainty that, "There is no God." My opinion.

STOP DOING THAT! Gah, I hate that fr*cken bullshit of
saying 'you can't be certain there's no god'... WE DON'T SAY
THERE'S NO GOD. We're saying there is no evidence to suggest
there is one, so to spend every sunday worshiping something
that by all accounts doesn't exist seems a bit silly. We're
happy to be shown to be wrong by SOME SORT of evidence... ANY
would be nice. Stop saying that we are saying for certain that
there is no god. We are saying that we THINK there's no god,
but those with an open mind are happy to accept further
evidence on the matter.

I understand what you're saying, yet the definition of an
atheism is "The doctrine or belief that there is no God" and
"Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings". I
could be wrong, but you have stated in other words that
atheism is "The doctrine or belief that there is no
God...until proven otherwise."


Atheists remain a tiny minority and their bases for
eliminating all traces of religion from American society are
plainly wrong. Whether you accept it or not, religion has
always been a vital force in countries' historical DNA,
usually with a surplus of goodness over evil.

OK, firstly... Atheists are hardly a 'tiny minority', you
may wish to think so, but sorry, it ain't true. First link off
google on the matter 16% are non religious. That's not a 'tiny
minority' by any stretch of any imagination. Then, if we look
at the wikipedia entry we can see that just getting any sort
of number is fraught with problems in classification, self
identification etc.

I agree it's hard to quantify atheists. You could've just
said, "China makes up one-quarter of the world's people and
they're atheist."

THEN secondly... it's HARDLY that anyone is trying to
eliminate all traces of religion from a country... it's a case
of everyone is perfectly free to believe what they want... BUT
when ONE religion starts enforcing IT'S beliefs on the
populous via government THEN things are wrong. Passing law
based on the bible, making Creationism be taught in science is
all absolute bullshit and SHOULD be stopped. But that in no
way is trying to suggest that people can't go to church, be
religious, pray or whatever and do so without fear. It's the
religious folk who are making those without religion feel
fearful because of the way they are being treated.

You bring up many issues here, most of them political. The
ACLU is trying their damnedest to remove all traces of
religious expression from public life. Not all atheists are in
the ACLU, but there are zero I know of protesting the ACLU's
bullying either. Government schools are screwed from all
sides. Not to make light of your plight, but everyone claims
to be persecuted these days.

As an atheist you must accept that all actions have no bad
consequences except when discovered by others.

This is such tripe. What you're saying is that religious
people are only good because they fear for the repercussions
of a vengeful god. The way I live my life is that I don't do
bad things because I wouldn't like those things done to me, so
why should I inflict them on someone else. To me that's
FAIR... if the only reason you're 'good' is due to fear of
repercussions, then really... you're not good at all.

But what happens when you meet an atheist who thinks what's FAIR isn't what YOU think is FAIR. There's no ultimate authority, even something as open-ended as the golden rule may not apply.

As an atheist you must accept that Hitler and Mother Teresa
both ended up in a void of nothing.

Um... yep. I see no issue here.

Then why be "good?" Why punish evildoers at all?

I don't believe "the gods" condemn anyone for being an atheist
but I do believe all are subject to laws of karma. Again, an
opinion.

Above all, I don't think atheists are necessarily happier than
anyone else. That's probably why there's never been any kind of mass
"conversion" to unbelief, except at gunpoint by evil
governments.

I don't think atheism is an instant trip to being happier
either, never said it was. I also don't think that you are
necessarily unhappy if you're religious. I know plenty of
lovely religious people... I have no issue with them being
religious, I go to their religious ceremonies, quite like
their pastor in fact... they don't try to convert me, and I
don't try to convert them... everyone is happy.

And how many of those lovely religious people would be upset
by your approval/endorsement of this obnoxious video? Some might get "the joke" but then others may not...

Geeze... trying to suggest that 'evil' governments have
converted people to atheism... man... firstly where the hell
does that come from, and secondly don't even start on that
unless you want to defend the crusades and violent
missionaries 'converting' savages to Christianity... don't
even go there, that's just nuts...

Communism makes the state the highest authority, therefore any
and all religious belief and expression was banned in those countries by human monsters, inflicted a nightmare on their own people. These dictators were atheist NOT because they wanted to usher in an Age of Reason but to
maintain their power.

The Crusades were an anomaly compared to the 100 million murdered worldwide by communism.

And no, I'm not saying all atheists are commies, but when one form of "control" like religion dies, another fills the void. Maybe we should all just honor each others' delusions instead.

>> ^smooman:
I really hate this shit, cuz it makes me (a devout man of faith) look like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure......lemme check.......ya I'm sure I'm not an idiot.
she "got the atheism"?! My goodness nooooooooo!!!!!
She makes it sound like her friend has the friggin plague.
Unfortunately this is the Christianity you all bare witness to here in America. I (and many others I'm sure) are trying to change that image =)



I'm thinkmorepink, the creator of the video, It's on Youtube as well (same username).

I can assure you it's satire I put it on godtube for the 'lulz'

Take care,

Shan

>> ^quantumushroom:
Most people wish to see good deeds and work rewarded and bad deeds and evil punished. That's how we roll on earth. I find it amusing that you wouldn't care about rewards versus punishment for MT and Hitler, yet you find the 'golden parachute' concept upsetting.

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They're dead, so their eternal suffering, joy or nothingness affects only them. As far as our need to see rewards and punishments: I do not believe eternal suffering, nor eternal reward to be an aspect of justice, for it serves only the purpose of satisfying a lust, not a function. If their postmortem reward or punishment (not the idea of it, but the truthful existence of it) affected us in a positive, progressive way, only then would it be a worthwhile system of dealing with what we consider injustice. However, because it is uncertain that there is a force which doles out afterlife justice, we have no business worrying about it. We can appreciate what dead people did while they were alive, or be glad they're dead because they were a hinderance to the progress of life.

I don't disagree (ha!) with the idea of religion; I believe it serves a function, especially at our point in evolution, where we are only beginning to come to terms with these absract concepts. But religion all too often is a closed system, causing divides that need not exist. Yes, religion has done good -- let's keep that aspect; but it needs to be fluid. All philospohy of worth should be as an ocean, whether it be concerned with possible existence/nonexistence of gods or scientific understanding of our universe.
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Yes, for most people, God serves in part as a kind of Keeper of Scorecards, but rewards and punishment may be only one aspect of an "afterlife" which technically is consciousness after this life.

You're perhaps assuming that the endgame of religion is to
follow rules now to live in a Heaven forever, which would mean
some sort of consciousness apart from a Creator. That may not
be it at all. Buddha described Nirvana as 'the end of
suffering' and left it at that. Buddhism is atheistic.

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I'm assuming that the interpretation of the majority of mainstream religions are to live in a Heaven forever, because that is how I have encountered them with almost everyone I've ever known or known about. I'm not opposed to the idea of an afterlife, I simply find it a moot point. As the living, we should be concerned with life, not death.
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You claim moral relativism exists, but for the atheist, does evil exist?

Which way of living demands more responsibility, the
religious person trying to follow moral precepts or someone who
doesn't necessarily care what happens because nothing finally
matters; death is the End? I don't want to live in a society
where everyone makes their own rules up as they go along; few
atheists would either.

Since for the atheist there is no Prime Mover behind what
society commonly defines as "goodness", why would an atheist
seek to enforce any kind of (self) responsibility at all? If
you felt bad about hurting someone because you didn't treat
them according to the Golden Rule, why not just kill them? If
there was no afterlife they would simply cease to exist along
with their pain and the question of right or wrong would be moot.

Yes, I'm being a tad silly, but hopefully I've made some half-assed point that, "Morality has to come from somewhere."

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Your points are not silly at all, merely common interpretations -- and I don't mean that pejoratively. I do not believe in evil in such a rigid, unrealistic way. Evil could be considered any action which seeks or causes an end to life. But evil is not necessarily bad. Cancer kills, human dies, human returns to earth, new life begins. From "evil" comes "good". A supernova could be considered evil, but it also gives birth to new life, which is good. I believe our existence within a realm of constant destruction dictates to us the sanctity of life, and thus morality. Life is the underdog in this universe, which will become apparent (to whatever exists in this solar system) when our sun decides to stop behaving as it is now. It's not always a struggle for power, but a struggle for life itself. Yes, in a relative universe you may decide to kill your fellow man, but on a macro level you become in conflict with life, in favor of destruction. Just as truth is valued over the lie, life is favored over death for very practical, and often poetic reasons that need not stem from God.

Concepts such as "morality" exist on the human level to illustrate and teach. Ideas and concepts are not so rigid as to dictate what is always right and wrong, nor should they ever be used to represent an absolute; espcially one as silly as "evil".
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You are perhaps basing your argument against either the
existence of God or belief in God on the idea that since
religions provide conflicting statements, all of them must therefore be
false.

Religions are not God. Religion is a human endeavor and
therefore flawed, whereas the nature (or concept) of God is
perfection.

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God as perfection is an assumption lacking observation. The nature of God (assuming it exists) cannot possibly be determined; though I'm not in opposition to the idea of that possible explanaion, let's not kid ourselves that the idea is anything but assumed. (Assumption not necessarily being a bad thing, but also not something to base your existence on.)
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If I say, "We are breathing air" in English and you say it in
French, is one of us 'lying?'

Also, to many atheists why is 'lying' only a feature of religion? You mean atheists never tell lies--even little ones--when it suits them?

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Lies are available for all to use. I wouldn't dream say otherwise.
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Faith is not logical and much of religion isn't either, but to dismiss them all out of hand seems rather absolute, in a world where "there are no absolutes".

We can all agree when out brains die, if there is nothing, we will "experience" nothing forever. If there is an afterparty, atheist and believer alike will go "somewhere" even if it's only within their own consciousness.

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On the contrary, faith is perfectly logical. I have faith in my senses enough to walk outside on a cool, winter day and not expect to walk into lava. Unless I smell sulfur... then I'd become suspicous, maybe I'd notice the increase in heat, and my faith will change. No longer can I have complete faith that outside is a good place to go. Just as my faith in Santa Claus went to zero, and my faith in God went to near zero, based upon observation and learning.

As humanbeings, we do not have the capacity to say anything with 100% certainty, so we must be careful to organize our minds into tiers of belief/faith. (Forgive my semantics; tier is perhaps not the best word, but I'm tired right now) Your immediate senses being on the top tier, followed by recognized patterns from experience, down to intellectual knowledge from schooling, on down to some philosophical interpretations, religion, God or gods, etc. (The existence of smurfs being, obviously far down at the bottom -- much farther than God even.)

Humans are unique in that we are deeply affected by ideas; but ideas have no corporeal nature that we are aware of (yet), so we cannot let any one idea rule our lives, but rather let us rule them. We are the makers of dreams, and need not suffer otherwise -- unless Kai'ckul visits my dreams and says otherwise.

>> ^thinkmorepink:
>> ^smooman:
I really hate this shit, cuz it makes me (a devout man of faith) look like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure......lemme check.......ya I'm sure I'm not an idiot.
she "got the atheism"?! My goodness nooooooooo!!!!!
She makes it sound like her friend has the friggin plague.
Unfortunately this is the Christianity you all bare witness to here in America. I (and many others I'm sure) are trying to change that image =)


I'm thinkmorepink, the creator of the video, It's on Youtube as well (same username).
I can assure you it's satire I put it on godtube for the 'lulz'
Take care,
Shan


well then i guess im slightly less annoyed. There are people ("Christian" people no less) that think this way and its heartbreaking

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