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THIS HAS TO STOP

i can not wait till i can afford a ticket out of this cesspool of a cuntry.

First, it's not legal to shoot fleeing suspects unless there is imminent danger to civilians or other officers.
Second, this is what happens in police states.
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The po po in Cali are shell-shocked forever after Watts Riot, Compton's Cafeteria Riot, Sunset Strip curfew riots,the Berkeley riots,the White Night gay riots,the 92'Los Angeles riots(Rodney King),the Staples Center/Championship riot, the 2000' Riots in Santa Cruz~

Anaheim Police, afraid to be added to the list sought to quash a potential mob with rubber bullets and puppy-dogs. Hmmmm....all that got burned was a trash dumpster? Shit man, these folks looked predominately Hispanic which is probably why it never escalated into burning down homes and businesses in the immediate area....Pride of ownership and respect for personal property.

These Police. Experts in escalating a situation towards violence.

So the cops shoots someone, the people have something to say about it, so the cops give them a preview of more shootings to come. Nice to see we're opening a dialog and hashing this problems out like civilized people.

Would it be lawful for the citizens to shoot back with rubber bullets and bean bags. Justified self defense?

>> ^bobknight33:

Would it be lawful for the citizens to shoot back with rubber bullets and bean bags. Justified self defense?


It's not even lawful to talk back to an officer, as far as they're concerned, so my guess is 'no'.

>> ^MrFisk:

Second, this is what happens in police states.

In a police state, you wouldn't hear about it. But yeah, I think these cops have kinda missed the point of policing.

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"Hey, I just got a great idea, let's all form an angry mob and go scream at police, even though we have no idea what the hell's going on. We do know some guy was shot and killed. We have no idea why he was running from police, whether he threatened police with deadly force or had just killed someone else--hell, we don't have context for any of this--all I know is I'm with this mob screeching at police. Bring the kids, they'll want to see this!"

This can't go on forever. Something's gonna break.

Oh, and fuck the police.

Jay Jackson... or Perd Hapley?

http://i50.tinypic.com/2wqedya.jpg

Thank God they are brown people otherwise I'd have to be concerned.

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No excuse for this. I hope they get jail terms.

That's the funny thing about the law. It's written to protect but the subject of that protection seems to be shifting more towards the police and away from the reason they are purported to exist.

This is a great video worth watching http://videosift.com/video/TED-Stephen-Coleman-The-moral-dangers-of-non-lethal-weapons>> ^dag:

No excuse for this. I hope they get jail terms.

Jaw-dropping. And what's with the term 'officer involved shooting'. That's how the media describes a police shooting these days? Honestly, I am shocked. It's like the opening scene of the new Robocop film or something. Dystopian.

>> ^artician:

>> ^bobknight33:
Would it be lawful for the citizens to shoot back with rubber bullets and bean bags. Justified self defense?

It's not even lawful to talk back to an officer, as far as they're concerned, so my guess is 'no'.


Pretty soon, not only will it be illegal to video police officers, it will be illegal to be witnesses to their conduct.

Release the hounds!

Maybe they're missing what we now consider the goals of policing, but historically, they're right on point. Centralized police forces were originally created to maintain order so the rich could move about and conduct business unmolested by the rest. The increased order had a knock-on effect of making everyone's life more peaceful, but what you see happening here is part of the original function of police forces -- keeping the rabble in line.>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^MrFisk:
Second, this is what happens in police states.In a police state, you wouldn't hear about it. But yeah, I think these cops have kinda missed the point of policing.

>> ^quantumushroom:

"Hey, I just got a great idea, let's all form an angry mob and go scream at police, even though we have no idea what the hell's going on. We do know some guy was shot and killed. We have no idea why he was running from police, whether he threatened police with deadly force or had just killed someone else--hell, we don't have context for any of this--all I know is I'm with this mob screeching at police. Bring the kids, they'll want to see this!"


That's bullshit. It doesn't matter if the people here were ignorantly lead to believe a lie about what they were protesting or if they were just plain wrong and supported a radical ideal. We shouldn't do this in America where even the ignorant like yourself are protected. We should support those with differing opinions with a dialog, not brute force. You and those in political office that support your fucked up vision of the world are the reason we're in this in the first place.

Fuck those cops. My brother was assassinated by the police in Cambridge, Mass. in the summer of 1996. He had an allergic reaction to being pepper sprayed and the police prevented Emergency Medical personnel from treating him and he died.

Didnt a police dog get loose and bite A BABY ... damn... you know lately im losing my fear of myself owning a firearm.. i really didnt think it was a good idea for me to have a lethal weapon... something is rapidly changing my mind and its not fear... its logic... there is too much crazy out there, so be prepared... i may need to shoot a dog someday, or a crazy person in a theater... i give up. i'll buy one. im not happy about it though.


edit: as i sit holding my kabar tdi last ditch knife, i realized it will suffice in nearly all SELF defense situations... i am trying to weigh my desire to live with my duty to protect those around me... i cant protect them from myself though and i still wonder how my perception of myself will change with the power of life and death in my hand... a gun is a tool ONLY in the right hands... are my hands steady enough for the responsibility?? will i conceal carry to boost my ego.. do i have the temperament to handle a conflict as though i have NO gun, when i do? ... maybe i should go small caliber and take some classes.... knife, fogging pepper spray, cell phone, gun... a one man army with no training except the internet and my fantasies... am i whats wrong with the world... it must be that pesky brain again.

>> ^vaire2ube:

Didnt a police dog get loose and bite A BABY ... damn... you know lately im losing my fear of myself owning a firearm.. i really didnt think it was a good idea for me to have a lethal weapon... something is rapidly changing my mind and its not fear... its logic... there is too much crazy out there, so be prepared... i may need to shoot a dog someday, or a crazy person in a theater... i give up. i'll buy one. im not happy about it though.


I'm still waiting to hear the story about how an armed citizen prevented a shooting spree.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a gun if you want one, but don't buy one thinking you're going to rescue someone one day. If you're really that afraid that you'll end up in that kinda situation, get a taser. That way if you make a mistake, at least you won't have killed someone.

The Pentagon Is Offering Free Military Hardware To Every Police Department In The US
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-05/news/30476833_1_armored-vehicles-military-equipment-police-forces

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^MrFisk:
Second, this is what happens in police states.
In a police state, you wouldn't hear about it. But yeah, I think these cops have kinda missed the point of policing.


We're the most imprisoned nation in the world, both per capita and in raw terms and that's been a fact since the Clinton administration. If the more than a decade long title holder for most imprisoned nation in the world isn't a police state, then exactly what is it?

International Centre for Prison Studies
http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_stats.php

>> ^drattus:

We're the most imprisoned nation in the world, both per capita and in raw terms and that's been a fact since the Clinton administration. If the more than a decade long title holder for most imprisoned nation in the world isn't a police state, then exactly what is it?
International Centre for Prison Studies
http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_stats.php


I agree that the US has a stupidly high imprisonment rate, mostly due to your insane and useless "war on drugs", but at least there is a process. The laws behind it may be retarded, but as a general rule, you aren't living in fear of being snatched off the street by uniformed goons. Hyperbole doesn't really help anyone, and frankly, calling the US a police state is trivialising the struggles of those who live in real oppression (i.e. North Korea, sharia law, etc).

That's not to say you shouldn't complain about injustice in your country, simply that you should call it what it is.

The idea that they, and many others, have it worse I wouldn't argue for a second. But rather than say that it doesn't apply to us I'd think that we're talking more matters of degree. We've got a larger percentage of our people under direct control of the criminal justice system than any other nation so the term police does seem accurate in that sense. They've got goons that will kill you instead of lock you up. Sure, they get locked up too, but I'm not sure the police as such are their problem so much as the death squads and such are. Terrorist state for them perhaps? Something else in other cases. But for us, sure, police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

In 2009 some 3.1% of adults were under correctional supervision, in custody, parole or probation. In "2008 more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States were in prison or jail". This has kinda been a pet project of mine since I was a kid, there's no nation out there with more of their people under police supervision. I don't disrespect others at all. I just tend to call it what it is. Perhaps the term police state isn't the right one for them, rather than it being the wrong one for us.

injustice does not a police state make.

The problem with your riposte is that doesn't address my comment. The "justice" of a shooting by police where the facts are not yet known is not the concern of this sift. An angry mob outnumbering cops, say, 10 to 1, leaves cops with little option but to defend themselves from being killed. Or do you expect them to let mobs simply kill them?

A mob is not a gaggle of angry but thoughtful/idealistic/rational individuals, it's a "monster" with its own appetites, savage and anonymous. Witness riots by fans of sports teams that have won.

Do angry mobs run into burning buildings? Do they try to pile in to an ambulance while EMTs are attempting to load a stretcher? Then why the approval of fking with police trying to do a job?

The facts surrounding this shooting have yet to come to light.

Ignorance is expecting perfection from any human being, including cops.


>> ^poolcleaner:

>> ^quantumushroom:
"Hey, I just got a great idea, let's all form an angry mob and go scream at police, even though we have no idea what the hell's going on. We do know some guy was shot and killed. We have no idea why he was running from police, whether he threatened police with deadly force or had just killed someone else--hell, we don't have context for any of this--all I know is I'm with this mob screeching at police. Bring the kids, they'll want to see this!"

That's bullshit. It doesn't matter if the people here were ignorantly lead to believe a lie about what they were protesting or if they were just plain wrong and supported a radical ideal. We shouldn't do this in America where even the ignorant like yourself are protected. We should support those with differing opinions with a dialog, not brute force. You and those in political office that support your fucked up vision of the world are the reason we're in this in the first place.

I believe the term should be "less-lethal" as non-lethal would imply that you cannot be killed by them, which is not true.

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>> ^smooman:

injustice does not a police state make.


No, but having more of your citizens under police supervision than any other nation in the world damned well should. It's not even debatable, it's a matter of public record, our own and international as was sourced from both our own records and international above. How in the world do we figure that the nation with more of its citizens under police supervision than any other in the world isn't a police state?

The term Orwellian comes to mind. It's built slowly over the years so we didn't notice, it's us so we don't want to admit it about ourselves, but that doesn't change the fact that those are the facts.

The problem with this whole "police" thing is that it's illegal for people to act like people.

I'm sure there's some country full of poor brown people you can blame for this.

If you're interested, the Anaheim police doubled down on asshole tonight and shot more people with beanbag rounds and rubber bullets. Some were shot at point blank range, some police fired at the press, arrests were made, etc.