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"You're intimidating me" -- as the guy threatens to take him to jail.

My lord. What a lack of awareness.

Unbelievable. It's stupidity all around. Just go. They're your kids, and you owe nothing to this ridiculous institution with a fetish for bureaucracy.

Jesus fucking christ, this is just unbelievable! How they kept their cool in the fact of that fucking idiot. Wow.

How does a country get this fucked up? This guy was there to walk his kids home, simple as that. And they arrested him for it?

There's so much about this that I can't understand. How does a system get so broken

He was arrested for being disorderly? Not ONCE did I see him being disorderly. The father was calm, but opinionated. I didnt know that was against the law. He was there to WALK his kids home, rather than wait in traffic for over an hour. And just because they want to walk, they have to wait until all the 'riders' are gone? How can we expect to have effectively educated children when schools are making dumbass rules like this?! There is obviously something wrong with their system!

What a bunch of fucktards.

My wife is a teacher. Thank god her school uses a little more common sense.

Not only that....they'nt did want to let him walk his kids home until he signed a form that gave his kids permission to walk home by themselves first.

Unreal

This is insanity. Rules for the sake of what? I don't get it. Authority -- F all authority unless it serves the people. It must serve the people. Sometimes the people want crazy shit but it doesn't serve them so we put up rules to protect people from themselves. But this is not one of those cases. This makes ZERO sense.

And a special needs child to boot. My god. The cold hand of authority that doesn't understand the damage their world does to the ego of a special needs person, not just special needs child, because what is a child and an adult? Someone without the understanding that an average human has does not deserve this type of torture.

And it IS torture. Serve mental torture that we don't truly understand. Good job, officer trauma creator. You really do us all proud. Oh thank god for police officers -- to serve and protect as usual!

Certainly nothing to this extent, but I did have a funny little disagreement with the local school when my daughter was in kindergarten. In kindergarten you are not allowed to drop your child off at the school property entrance on the city sidewalk. You have to walk them the 30 feet to the doors (completely in line-of-site). Starting in Grade 1, you can drop them off at the city sidewalk.

I asked them if in kindergarten was the greatest threat to my child the 30 foot walk on their property under teacher supervision that magically goes away the next year? At least they thought it was funny and said they never looked at it this way.

And people still find it impossible to believe that sometimes individuals are "too smart to become a cop". Google that phrase in quotes if you don't believe me.

The good news is now that the officer is gone, any other parents that may have walked there to 'pick up' their children can do so with interference.

I foresee the day when the wrong cop picks the wrong day to be an ass to me and I either get arrested or subdued or both. In fact considering the state of things they need to come up with a new Hundred Code (507 is public nuisance; so maybe in the 500-range) to account for "intelligent dispute with an insistent LEO".

If I ever have kids, which I plan not to, I will try to keep them out of the public school system. All of the "authority" figures in this video have their head WAY UP THEIR ASS.

I biked my 2 daughters to school every single day. I also picked them up the same exact way. It was .7 miles away. The parents next to me would drive their kids. We left 10 minutes after them and always made it there before them.

I think this simple math is too complicated for those running the school in this video. Which also means they shouldn't be teaching anything to anyone. When it comes to "if you don't like my rules, I'll arrest you" it's time to fight back.

That officer is lucky that the man in this video chose to fight back intellectually, because it's pretty obvious donut man would have lost.

Any follow up on this?

Obey the system.

Liberalism at it finest.

Lawful Stupid.

Yes, there is some pre-before follow up.
This was not the first time this parent started shit with the school.

We have no idea what was happening before the filming of this video.

Every parent in this school signed a form adhering to the pick up rules of their child. I am NOT saying this is right, but they did this.

This man parked his car away from the school and not on the highway trying to beat the system that he (or his partner) SIGNED trying to beat the system.

There are two sides to this story Videosift. Reddit comments outlined it perfectly. The cop may have been out of his jurisdiction, but this parent purposely f*cked over things he was well aware of. I do not condone the regulations this school board made, but this parent is not entirely guiltless. He knew the regulations, he(his partner) signed upon, what the procedure is to pick your child up from school. It's bullshit, but this process was months old and one day this man decided to make a scene.

You have a problem with your school boards regulations, you take it to the school board, not to the on-duty cop.

There are two sides to this story Videosift. Look into it. The parent is not completely innocent here. The schools rules are ridiculous, but they were well in place before this garbage happened.

Frankly, it looks like they could all do with a bit more walking.

This video is essentially about his arrest. In which case it is obvious he is "completely innocent" of the charges laid against him (disorderly conduct).

Merica! Fuck Yeah!

I hope this fucker and the school people involved never get a government job or any job with a little responsibility ever again. Make space for people who really care about their jobs.

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I am hoping they will lose them because of this, of course.

Absolutely nothing you've pointed out here makes anything that happened to the parent in this video any more acceptable. Nothing.

He was arrested! Arrested FFS!

He was polite and orderly all through the exchange. He was there to pick his kids up from school. They're his kids. He's being a responsible parent.

Everything about this is whacky. I really don't understand what's going on. Even more I don't understand how anyone could look at this and put the parent at fault, even slightly.

What happens if your car breaks down huh? What then? The only form they had was one which let them send his kids home without him which he didn't want, and surely that's reasonable? The system is clearly, clearly broken.

He objected in a calm and reasonable way.

They fucking arrested him for picking his kids up! I just can't get over this. America, you're fucked.

Like I said before as a person from the UK nothing about this video makes any sense. It's all just madness.

Local news coverage

http://www.wate.com/story/24005228/cumberland-county-parent-releases-video-of-his-arrest-by-a-school-resource-officer

Liberalism....In an obvious red state. Yes this is obviously the laws established by the liberal elite, because we know the are abundant it Tennessee.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dad-arrested-pick-kids-school-article-1.1523389

Here is the official news story on the situation. The school specifically changed their policy to prevent parents from doing what Howe (the guy in the video) is doing. Howe was notified that he could not pick his kids up in this manner unless a waiver was signed for them to walk home. This is an issue of both school liability and student safety. While I think the cop was a retard and completely failed to handle and de-escalate the situation, he did act as he should (arresting the man when he made it clear he wouldn't follow the school guidelines) given the situation.

You can be arrested for not following school guidelines?

As i understand it, the parents need to sign a waiver that their children could walk home unsupervised. In the climate of abduction and human trafficking today I can't imagine ever agreeing to this. I also have a difficult time seeing that the school would ever suggest this would be a good solution. Apparently they did.

That's great-A generation of geeks who all jibe with the ultimate paradigm of justice and fair play....
D & D

Long time Silvercord-I must take issue with the loaded prelude, " In the climate of abduction and human trafficking today" ok for these reasons.

No widespread prevalence of the same is evidenced in anything but loaded stats and news orgs continually pumping fear and hatred into the minds of the weak.

Also, using the same loaded words the news-bobbles use well, it simply shows that the programming you've consumed all these years dutifully, is effective and perpetual.

Abduction happens pf course, it's perpetuated by illegals, gang-members, career criminals, CIA(and other such initialed criminals)...It only happens because dumb asses have let the country become an institution of creating slaves and criminals of average humans programmed through dire environments, SPECIFICALLY the environment of fear and helplessness fostered by the people (sub-human garbage) posing as leaders.

Who let the country turn into shit? Everyone who voted because it "felt" right and then spent their civil disobedience tickets on bitching istead of doing something tangible about it outside of the approved means of protest.

Like voting-in wildcards, picketing senator's homes and offices, withdrawing $$ from the worst of offenders...ETC.

HIstorys' a motherfucker.

What? You think it was right that the guy was arrested?

What?

I'm still completely baffled by the fact that not only can someone be arrested for walking their kids home, but that somehow the system is so completely and utterly fucking broken that people are actually saying that this is all as it should be.

What?

Really?

Really?

Fuck an official news story and take the bullshit you are watching at face-fucking value maybe??? Try and reason the shit out and you're simply a lackey, a putty-cog in a doomed machine.

In defence of @arekin, he's not saying he agrees with the law, but that the cop was carrying out his duty in regards to an existing law. We really don't want a situation where the cops get to pick and choose what laws are enforced.

That said, I don't feel his actions merited an arrest.

The school may legally have been within their rights (don't really have all the facts), but I'm pretty sure arguing with a school official isn't actually a crime.

It's basically a problem with the law itself. The law makers only thought of two possible scenarios:
1: Parents pick up their kids in a car.
2: The kids walk home alone.

The possibility that a parent might walk obviously never occurred to them.

Which is kinda sad, really.

Yeah, but the fear of abduction and human trafficking is at an all time high

Wait...what "law" was broken?

I don't know. That would be the part where I said

"... I don't feel his actions merited an arrest.

The school may legally have been within their rights (don't really have all the facts), but I'm pretty sure arguing with a school official isn't actually a crime. "

I was just pointing out that @arekin wasn't in favour of the law/rule/guideline/whatever, merely that he said the cop was just doing his job.

Personally, I disagree with him, but at least disagree with him for the right reason.

Americans really have to sign a waiver saying how they are going to pick up their kids from school? And they can never change how they're going to do it? Land of the free?

Are all Brits really stupid enough to think this video in any way reflects the American status quo?

School guidelines were not passed by the county/state/federal legislature - they are not law.
A school board is not a law making body.
School guidelines are merely process policy.

There are no infractions or penalties associated with them in any way whatsoever.

'Not following school guidelines' is not any kind of legal offense.




Guidelines are part of the liability management process for members of an institution.
If whatever an employee does follows institutional guidelines, then the institution is liable for the results, not the employee.
This way the employees are shielded from penalties/lawsuits/jail/etc by the institution they act as agents of.

An institution is basically 'etherial', and can't actually be 'punished', as it feels no pain. So it's basically a cop-out from justice. Which is why it makes such a good safety net.

The reverse works out too. A single bad employee can cost the institution a lot. If the institution is lost, other members are out of a job.
So the policies let an institution disown an employee that breaks policy and gets into trouble. Then that employee is liable for his individual actions, and the institution is safe.

Hence, an institution may take action against its own employees for violating policy, but that's an employer/employee issue related to how an employee is doing their job.
Enforcement is necessary because if an institution is found to not enforce its policies, then it's as if there are no policies, and the institution can not disown an employee that doesn't follow policies and gets into trouble.




This arrest can not in any way be made on account of school guidelines. That's not even 'a thing'.

The excuse for the arrest was 'disorderly conduct' - and that's what you need to find in the video to verify that it's a legitimate arrest.

We'll see how this turns out with the video being available.
Usually you can't defend from that charge, since it's word against word, and the courts assume the officer is telling the truth.

The charge is subjective anyways, so the truth is up to people's opinion.
Anything can be disorderly when it's up to opinion.
"Nodding hello" could be disorderly, in someone's "opinion".
... And it's the officer's opinion.
A fine example of screwy laws that shouldn't even exist.
It's one of the 'catch-all' offenses that anyone can be charged with at any time.

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Apparently disorderly conduct, Per Tennessee statute "A person commits an offense who, in a public place and with intent to cause public annoyance or alarm." By the loosest definition I could see where the cop could use this.

Pretty much on point. Its one thing to protest with no idea what position the police or school have on the subject, it is entirely different point to see both sides of the situation and presented with evidence see how fault could be found either way. Howe had been told what the new rule was and after the fact has stated that like it or not he has to follow the rule. The officer is a dumb ass who started with the high ground (in that by school policy he was correct) and took a shit all over it by using it to sour the situation. The lady at the desk was at least trying to help get Howe his kids and defuse the situation despite having her hands tied by the policy. All of this is a shitty situation caused by a poorly thought out policy, but despite this the correct way to deal with it would be to argue the policy in the correct forum and not get into an argument in a place where the school and the officer have a catch 22 of breaking policy and facing repercussion or upholding policy and looking like the assholes the video made them out to be.

As opposed to what, Going at it with kneejerk reactions and shouting "down with the man"? Yeah, I think ill keep a level head, and read for a change, rather than assume I know whats going on because the cop is an asshole (and let me be clear, the cop IS an asshole.)

School districts are the absolute kings of brain dead policy making. I wonder if any of the notices about the change in policy specifically spelled out that you cannot just walk in and pick up your kids, based on the reactions here and elsewhere I'm betting that idea didn't cross most people's minds. A pathological fear of getting into trouble and possible lawsuits will insure that people will never be free to solve sudden problems with reasonable common sense solutions. And we charge these institutions with the education of our children.

I think there's a lot more here that I find stupid than just the police officer and the arrest. The form signing? That hasn't been questioned by anyone else but I've never seen that here in the UK. That there's even an officer there? Again, that's just nuts.

Everything about this situation is weird and alien to me as a brit, not just the arrest. From the reactions of others here it seems that all these things are normal, it's just a surprise that the guy got arrested. For me, everything is a surprise.

What is the norm in America? I'm hoping that your kids can leave school and go home. That's what happens here. Are police routinely at schools like this? Is the liability waiving form signing normal too?

First of all, there is no "norm in America." It's a big fucking place, and schools are locally managed. I suppose waivers are relatively normal when children are expected to be in a risky situation without the supervision of their guardian. Suppose for example your kids were going to go on a rock climbing field trip. Would parents not be asked to consent to that? That's fucking weird. The weird part is that this waiver is clearly not related to the situation. These particular people at this particular school are clearly particularly stupid. That's why it's a video on the internet. It's not weird that they want 5 year olds' guardians to arrange for some sort of supervised transport home. I think it would be strange to just let a 5 year old walk miles down a highway to their home. The school would clearly have some liability if they allowed the child to do that without their guardian's permission.

As for the cop, well, again, that's a locale to locale sort of thing. He might not be a permanent fixture at the school (although some schools have rent-a-cops). He may have been called in because the guy caused a ruckus off camera. Do you not have cops go to places where there is an incident? So, for example, if someone went to a school and refused to leave until his demands were met, would you not call in a cop to mediate the situation?

@bmacs27: GOD I fucking hate when people use the word "CLEARLY!" CLEARLY this blah blah blah and CLEARLY...Stop it...makes you sound like a pretentious idiot.

Look-All this ineffectual spit-poppin' on this thread:

Guy goes to school to pick up his kids and is harassed by bullshit rules and bullshit police. SIMPLE

THAT'S COMPLETE BULLSHIT-HE GOD FUCKED UNDESERVEDLY


The incident is complete bullshit, and a symptom of the insanity of shit like homeland security that relentlessly inept citizenry (insert blog-bitcher here) have let complete agenda-oriented cabals of politicians and their keepers, hustle you for.

Didn't Ben Fucking Franklin warn that anyone who sacrifices freedom for security deserve neither??

Ya buncha fucking idiots...

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Clearly you're off your meds.

I really hope this officer was dismissed from his place of employment. He obviously doesn't belong in a position of authority.

Hey, I used to live right next to this county. I don't blame him for not wanting his kids walking home alone. That area is fucking scary!

The form isn't to let them go rock climbing, it's for them to walk home. And as I understand it it's an eight year old and a 14 year old.

Here in the UK we use a different system. It's called common fucking sense.

My mother is a secondary school teacher and my sister in law is a primary and nursery teacher. They both happened to come round my house tonight and I mentioned this video and asked them about exactly what happens in schools in the UK today, as I'm a little out of touch (it's a good few years since I was at school).

They were both utterly confused by the video. Police in schools in the UK is a very rare thing, and they're only called in as a last resort. This situation would never have ended with police being called unless the guy was actually being a threat, which he clearly isn't. Any escalation would have been passed on to the senior members of staff who would deal with the situation.

As for the waivers to let the kids walk home in the UK it's simple. At secondary school level, so 11 and up, once they're off the school site they're your responsibility. You can pick them up or let them walk or catch the bus or whatever, but the school won't check that for you. Younger kids there's an agreement with the school about who will pick them up, but it's not as formal as the forms in the video. But there is a key word on file so if someone comes to pick up the kid that the staff don't know they need to give the key word to be able to get the kid.

But if a parent comes to take a kid out of school, even in the middle of a class, they can't stop them and they wouldn't call the police as a parent picking up their kid isn't a police matter.

Police would only ever be involved if there was violence or the real threat of violence. The thought that the police could enforce school rules is bizarre.

I don't know what else to say. I'm glad this isn't the case everywhere in America. There are a lot of differences between the UK and America which are nation wide though. I'm sorry I'm not an expert on your school system. From what you say though the police in schools thing is something that's not unusual in America, and I find that strange.

I find the whole video fucked up, and even more so the fact that some people in this thread seem to think it was right for the guy to be arrested. That it's OK for the school to keep the kids from the parents.

It's all just fucking weird.

So you do have waivers, or at least arrangements about how to deal with young kids leaving schools. That's all that's going on here. To have any sort of arrangement for older kids would be strange. High schoolers often have their own car and can come and go as they please.

Also:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/minister-every-school-can-have-a-police-officer-880315.html

You do have cops at schools. It's a recent development here too, and not at all widespread. The only cops I was ever familiar with at schools were "DARE" officers who taught don't do drugs class. I never saw one enforce anything beyond giving a stern look at the occasional teenager. Common fucking sense states that this is a video on the internet because it is not the status quo. At all.

Finally "people" didn't say it was right that he was arrested. One guy implied maybe we don't know the whole story. Then you flew off the handle.

My understanding is that british schools ban kids from having best friends and teachers from using red ink. That's fucking weird, and I saw it on the internet, so it must be true.

This is a resource officer, we have them here in Indiana as well. Here they only really show up at larger schools and are doing double duty as a security officer/truancy officer who also directs traffic and dismissal after school hours to ensure that students make it home safely. The schools around my area also have guidelines for students up through middle school (8th grade I believe) who do not ride a school bus. These guideline determine who can pick them up and if they can walk home. We also have rules (at my daughters school at least) that determine picking up the child at the end of the day. Nothing here says that you cant walk to get your child but that they are released in batches and you have to wait for them to be released to pick them up. All of this seems reasonable to me as i would rather have my daughters safety ensured than have something overlooked in the confusion and find out my daughter went home with a complete stranger because the school didn't follow policy. I would not want my child to go to a school that makes any effort to avoid responsibility of my child without making an effort to ensure their safety

You clearly aren't familiar with bob...his definition of "liberalism" is really just "anything he doesn't agree with". It has nothing to do with the English language, or agreed-upon definitions.

Brain dead policies are the bread and butter of large organizations. Every major corporation, every major bureaucracy, every major NGO has plenty of them. It's what people do, when they gather in groups, make stupid unthinking rules.

Welcome to the human race.

Yeah? Whatcha gonna do about it Mothra? Huh? Sick your egg twins on me? Or how about you get wasted and cook me a chorizo stew? Cajun style, with all the trimmins.

This is me baring my teeth at you. :E

Flapping my wings to create gale-force winds, my most effective defense against blowhards.
Chorizo?? That shits nasty, only people I know of who eat that shit aren't your run-of-the-mill 'Hispanic', they're hardcore Mexican.

Oh and while we're on the subject, Mexican baked goods. I know the French were only there for maybe 6 years hard, but you'd think that Mexico might have gathered a bit more intelligence on the process of making a proper croissant? Butter fat vs beef tallow - ain't rocket science!

What else ain't rocket science? Seeing shit like this video and not knowing that you are already on planet police.