Daddy's Evil Laugh Scares Baby

bareboards2says...

Okay, I was trying to avoid saying this....

I could be wrong, but I see a pattern that I grew up with -- this guy tries to get his baby happy (laugh, laugh!) and then scares her into crying, because isn't that funny? To see a cute thing go from happy to crying? Isn't that a cute face?

This sucks. This creates pretty bad trust issues. I offer myself as Exhibit One.

Pranks are fine. Pranks can be cruel, and pranks can be fun. You get some experience in the world, you learn to deal with them, whether cruel or fun.

Leave babies and little kids out of it though.

They don't understand why someone they trust makes them seriously unhappy or scared. And then laughs. And takes a picture of it.

What a bummer. I feel like I am raining on the fun parade. But if I don't speak up, and make myself vulnerable to being trashed by some in the Sift community, then I won't have done something to maybe stop this pattern going into the future. In some small way. With maybe only three people who hear this and get it.

This is me being brave.


>> ^residue:

@bareboards2 @EMPIRE I don't see any signs of torture.. I would guess he was just trying to get the kiddo to laugh on camera, not scare her (I hope). I've made similar noises to my son when he was a baby and he thought it was hilarious

bareboards2says...

Just to be clear -- I think what you did with your son is different from this, residue. It isn't the noise made, it is how the kid reacts. You knew your son would laugh.

I don't believe that is what is happening here.

Bummer bummer bummer, I know. Sorry.

>> ^residue:

@bareboards2 @EMPIRE I don't see any signs of torture.. I would guess he was just trying to get the kiddo to laugh on camera, not scare her (I hope). I've made similar noises to my son when he was a baby and he thought it was hilarious

residuesays...

@bareboards2 I guess we're just perceiving the video differently. I thought he was genuinely trying to get the baby to laugh which makes everything sunshine and roses. If he's doing what you think (happy to scared lightswitch flipping) than yea that's sort of messed up. The only thing I see to suggest this is the case is if that were me and the little face crumpled like that, my lower lip would shoot straight out immediately and I'd probably say something like "aaAAWWWw nooooooooo!" while this guy seems to keep smiling. You might be on to something after all..

as to the second comment, the key word is "hope" the kid laughs, not "know" the kid laughs. They seem to be rather erratic in terms of what sets off various emotions sometimes.

bareboards2says...

@FlowersInHisHair and @gwiz665

You missed the part about me being brave enough to be vulnerable.

Flowers, take my word for it. This fucks you up. Nitpick my choice of words if you want to. I knew I was going to be raked over the coals for being real here. I thought I might get an hour or maybe a supportive comment between me taking a risk emotionally and somebody coming in and being all Male-Sifty on me.

Gwiz, I am going to assume that you didn't read my comments. Because if you did, you are an asshole of stupendous proportions. You can hide behind all the "this is the internet, take your lumps" as you want. Be a fucking human being once in awhile, can't you? Give it a rest. Fuck.

gwiz665says...

Hey @bareboards2 fuck you. I'm all for anyone being brave and saying what's on their minds, but you don't get to attack me for thinking a video is hilarious. I'm not talking about you. The video is hardly torture, hardly even a prank.

If this was a continuous thing that happened throughout a childhood, sure, that kid is going to be pretty fucked up in the head, but really, it's not. This is just a guy with his daughter trying to make her laugh.

You should wrap yourself in some male-spray, to keep all the big bad misogynists away - because, goodness knows, they're all out to get you. People like @rottenseed @blankfist @GenjiKilpatrick and let's not forget @dag @dag @dag, the male king of all our lives, keeping our womanly powers under his iron boot. For fucks sake, give it a rest.

^That was all about you. Enjoy.

mintbbbsays...

Eeeek! I didn't mean people to go nuclear! I genuinely think the daddy was trying to make his kid laugh and failed miserably. If some of you disagree, fine. Just take a deep breath, or something.. a drink.. a drink sounds pretty good right now.

EMPIREsays...

i just wanna say that I don't think he was "torturing" the baby or anything like it. But he did upset the baby.
Now... IF he did it without intention then there's no problem. However, I don't think that's the case, and that's why I think the guy is an a-hole. I personally don't appreciate anyone making my son cry on purpose, and I also don't like someone doing it to other people's babies as well.

bareboards2says...

I knew this would happen.

Say something real about emotional issues and this always happens.

All. Ways.

Believe me or not. But let it in, guys. Playing "pranks" on babies and little kids is fucked up. Some version of this probably happened to you and this is your defense mechanism -- shielding yourself from your feelings by being derisive and dismissive.

I think it is interesting that it seems to be the men with children who hear me the clearest. I also am grateful -- you guys are my heroes. Give your babies a hug for me. They are lucky to have you.

Mint, sorry, I knew that this was heavy shit on what was supposed to be a fun video. I thought long and hard before I said anything. I thought it was too important to pretend it was okay.

But if we don't start treating our children better, they will grow up to be callused and emotionally shielded and continue the cycle, or being touchy like me.

If we don't learn to see this stuff, we are doomed to repeat it.

Like I said originally, I knew that I would be descended on. I had some names in mind and they did not disappoint. I am predictable, and so are they.

I can only hope that there are a few souls out there who might take a moment and reflect on the dynamic of this and how it seriously is not cool.

Be kind to small children. Please.

pho3n1xsays...

Who knows what happened. Unless we can ask the people in the video what their intention was, there is no way of knowing if this was a prank or a genuine attempt to capture a giggle on 'film' for posterity.


I say this as a new father of a 4 month old boy that is just now starting to consciously giggle, instead of just in his sleep, and it's like crack.

I too have tried something that has proven to produce a giggle, and the mere presence of the camera (or some equally arbitrary difference) has ruined the effect to the tune of a full 30 seconds of all-out crying. (30 seconds feels like a lifetime in those moments)

Who knows what goes on in a child's mind, especially when they are unable to articulate it fully. Crying is the most common form of expression.
"I'm hungry", "I'm gassy", "My diaper is full", "I had a bad dream", "Who's that?", are pretty much all expressed as crying.

I'm just saying... Who knows what happened there. But it's interesting to see which people jump on which side of the argument, in the presence of little to no facts.

RedSkysays...

As far as I know babies understand the notion of play/play acting at a pretty early age. This one doesn't look like she does but I really can't see this causing any irreparable or permanent harm if any. Obviously if you consistently did this to a baby at a really early age it might, but even then, trust is hardly some kind of permanent irreparable attribution.

FlowersInHisHairsays...

@bareboards2 No, you don't get to mischaracterise me. My first comment was a joke, my second a query about the use of the word "torture", which I don't think was an undeserved criticism. To call something like this "torture" is to diminish what torture really is.

Now, I've hardly "raked you over the coals" - so it's unfair of you to single me out as an enemy aggressor if other people have reacted more strongly. And crikey, If you think I'm all "Male-Sifty", I don't know what you must think of some of the other people you've met here. But not everyone here is your enemy, you know.
>> ^bareboards2:

@FlowersInHisHair and @gwiz665
You missed the part about me being brave enough to be vulnerable.
Flowers, take my word for it. This fucks you up. Nitpick my choice of words if you want to. I knew I was going to be raked over the coals for being real here. I thought I might get an hour or maybe a supportive comment between me taking a risk emotionally and somebody coming in and being all Male-Sifty on me.

bareboards2says...

Of course you are correct.

And it sounds like you heard my main point -- please don't do something to your child that you KNOW will cause them to cry, just for your own amusement.

We agree, right?

>> ^pho3n1x:

Who knows what happened. Unless we can ask the people in the video what their intention was, there is no way of knowing if this was a prank or a genuine attempt to capture a giggle on 'film' for posterity.

I say this as a new father of a 4 month old boy that is just now starting to consciously giggle, instead of just in his sleep, and it's like crack.
I too have tried something that has proven to produce a giggle, and the mere presence of the camera (or some equally arbitrary difference) has ruined the effect to the tune of a full 30 seconds of all-out crying. (30 seconds feels like a lifetime in those moments)
Who knows what goes on in a child's mind, especially when they are unable to articulate it fully. Crying is the most common form of expression.
"I'm hungry", "I'm gassy", "My diaper is full", "I had a bad dream", "Who's that?", are pretty much all expressed as crying.
I'm just saying... Who knows what happened there. But it's interesting to see which people jump on which side of the argument, in the presence of little to no facts.

Porksandwichsays...

Doesn't seem mean spirited to me. I think the laugh was just shocking, it was a lot louder and less "soft" than the previous stuff. Plus the kids frowny face expression is priceless.

I mean stuff happens, you can scare anything or anyone with unexpected noises whether on purpose or not. Maybe it's just something they wanted to catch on camera to show their child later, because that frowny face is very expressive and pretty awesome.

Hell there's people who laugh that still make me jump because they are so uncommon and I am not used to it. This is not a video to go into the "think of the children" campaign....even if this guy does this to his kid once a day for a year.........mild if not near meaningless in overall severity of what a babies and kids will be exposed to. Barking dogs, car horns, slamming doors, sirens, shattering glass, etc.

xxovercastxxsays...

>> ^bareboards2:

I knew this would happen.
Say something real about emotional issues and this always happens.


The problem is not that you said "something real about emotional issues" it's that you started painting yourself the victim before anyone had even criticized you.

My guess is you don't realize you're doing it but look at the thread again. @residue states that he disagrees that this was intentional cruelty. He said nothing attacking you, he just disagreed with you.

The very next comment is your reply in which you are already talking about taking a stand and "being trashed by some in the Sift community".

A couple comments later, still nobody has attacked you, and you say "I knew I was going to be raked over the coals for being real here. I thought I might get an hour or maybe a supportive comment between me taking a risk emotionally and somebody coming in and being all Male-Sifty on me." You lashed out at @gwiz665 and you want to play the oppressed female card.

That's why you get the reaction you are now getting from everyone. If your concern for the baby is genuine (and I suspect it is) then you really need to work on your delivery. Talking about how much it damaged you to see this baby cry is not the way to make your point.

bareboards2says...

Look guys, my father did this to me.

And yeah, now years later I have emotional outbursts.

But go ahead and jump on me, downvote my comments, upvote the comments that take me to task. Just like I said you would. That doesn't make me a victim. It shows how smart I am. I'm predictable? So are you, my friends, so are you.

Just... when you get to be fathers and mothers, please remember this unpleasant comment stream and how annoying I am. And then -- Please. Do. Not. Tease. Your. Babies. For. Your. Own. Amusement.

Or they might grow up just like me. You don't want that now, do you? That is devotedly to be wished, right?

Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.

Show kindness, that is all I am saying.

Sorry, again, mint. I know this isn't much fun. I'm not enjoying it either. I did have two glasses of wine, like you suggested. They clearly didn't help.

mintbbbsays...

Is OK.. Like I said, I didn't mean to post this to hurt anybodys feelings. Maybe I am naive to think that nobody would make a baby cry on purpose. One thing that ticks me off here is people saying that the dad must be a mean because he has stretched earlobes. I do not like extreme body modifications like that myself, but having them doesn't make you a bad or mean person.

I know my parents didn't scare me as a kid, and my dad was the most wonderful person ever, and he died when I was 18. I had a happy childhood, my parents were great, and still I ended up being pretty much totally fucked up: I am insecure, I keep my distance, I am grumpy, scared of way too many things, and I get easily obsessed with things like VS, or WOW. And that's just the top of the iceberg! I am lucky to have found my DH NetRunner who puts up with my weirdness and loves me no matter what.

I do not know why I ended up this way. Maybe if I had been scared with a 'muhahaha' as a baby I would have grown up to be less afraid of silly things. Who knows. I think I was being kept too safe as a kid and the real life scared the crap out of me.

Every kid grows up different. I still think this dad didn't mean to make his kid cry. Unfortunaterly he did, but I am sure the kid will be OK. This dad is not going to torture his kid even if he has stretched lobes!

OK, probably time for another drink now.. I was not going to comment on this.. I just want to sift silly, mindless videos that make people happy. Most of the time.



1259068'>^bareboards2:

Look guys, my father did this to me.
And yeah, now years later I have emotional outbursts.
But go ahead and jump on me, downvote my comments, upvote the comments that take me to task. Just like I said you would. That doesn't make me a victim. It shows how smart I am. I'm predictable? So are you, my friends, so are you.
Just... when you get to be fathers and mothers, please remember this unpleasant comment stream and how annoying I am. And then -- Please. Do. Not. Tease. Your. Babies. For. Your. Own. Amusement.
Or they might grow up just like me. You don't want that now, do you? That is devotedly to be wished, right?
Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.
Show kindness, that is all I am saying.
Sorry, again, mint. I know this isn't much fun. I'm not enjoying it either. I did have two glasses of wine, like you suggested. They clearly didn't help.

bareboards2says...

Kindness to babies and little children is always a good idea.

We can argue about the details and cause and effect.

And yes, my father did something very close to this. My mother took the pictures. They were in the family album. I grew up seeing the pictures and everyone laughing about how cute I was as the pictures progressed from happy to confused and scared. There was no one around who stood back and said -- hey, that is fucked up. You don't do that to a little kid.

So here I am now. Saying it. And I am motivated to say it, as you might imagine. This isn't theoretical to me.

It is fucked up to do that to a little kid.

Those fathers who have posted here and said -- yeah, if my child were distressed, I would stop -- they get it. Good for them.

Will every baby and small child who gets teased like this turn out to be "emotional"? By that, I assume you mean being quick to identify and express their emotions in an emotional way. Not all will, you're correct. Some will repress their emotions, be uncomfortable with emotions, and attempt to suppress others from expressing their emotions.

And some will grow up just fine, neither quick to express nor quick to suppress.

All I am saying is.... Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.


>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

@bareboards2 Your father did this exact thing to you? Even if he did, your emotional outbursts could be the result of any number of things, really - or even the result of nothing at all. Some people are just emotional.

FlowersInHisHairsays...

No, sorry, I still don't buy that it's "fucked up" to do that to a kid. To try to make it laugh and fail is not fucked up. It's not right to call it torture or say that it's abuse because you demean what child abuse and torture really mean when you do that.

It's a staggering coincidence you grew up with a series of pictures of you in this situation in your family album, and that it traumatised you to such an extent. I wonder what your father would say if he read that you thought that about him - that the time when he tried to make you laugh but he failed and you cried instead, he was torturing you, abusing you, and enjoying it.

>> ^bareboards2:
All I am saying is.... Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.

bareboards2says...

I'm sorry you lost your papa so early. That is fucked up, too.

I think it is great that it never occurred to you that someone would set out to make their child cry. That speaks well of your parents and your happy childhood.

My feelings weren't hurt by this video -- sorry if I gave that impression. My father was ignorant and unthinking. He would never consciously hurt me -- nor is the guy with stretched lobes consciously hurting his child.

All I am trying to do is make conscious to unreflecting minds that you don't do this to a baby or a small child. It needs to be said. Not everyone needs to be told this. My dad needed to hear it. This guy needs to be told. Neither of them thought/think they are doing anything untoward -- this guy posted the vid on Youtube! Someone up above makes a comment about what a great face the baby makes. It needs to be said, clearly. So I am saying it.

My delivery may be overwrought. The message is simple.

I'm staring at a half empty bottle of wine left over from last night's weekly So You Think You Can Dance tv party. It is looking more tempting all the time...

There's a great vid of women failing rather spectacularly at motocross that is pretty amusing. Have you seen it yet? http://videosift.com/video/X-Games-17-Women-can-t-dunk-but-have-good-fundamentals

>> ^mintbbb:

Is OK.. Like I said, I didn't mean to post this to hurt anybodys feelings. Maybe I am naive to think that nobody would make a baby cry on purpose. One thing that ticks me off here is people saying that the dad must be a mean because he has stretched earlobes. I do not like extreme body modifications like that myself, but having them doesn't make you a bad or mean person.
I know my parents didn't scare me as a kid, and my dad was the most wonderful person ever, and he died when I was 18. I had a happy childhood, my parents were great, and still I ended up being pretty much totally fucked up: I am insecure, I keep my distance, I am grumpy, scared of way too many things, and I get easily obsessed with things like VS, or WOW. And that's just the top of the iceberg! I am lucky to have found my DH NetRunner who puts up with my weirdness and loves me no matter what.
I do not know why I ended up this way. Maybe if I had been scared with a 'muhahaha' as a baby I would have grown up to be less afraid of silly things. Who knows. I think I was being kept too safe as a kid and the real life scared the crap out of me.
Every kid grows up different. I still think this dad didn't mean to make his kid cry. Unfortunaterly he did, but I am sure the kid will be OK. This dad is not going to torture his kid even if he has stretched lobes!
OK, probably time for another drink now.. I was not going to comment on this.. I just want to sift silly, mindless videos that make people happy. Most of the time.

1259068'>^bareboards2:

bareboards2says...

Ah! I see what the problem is! You and I see the video differently!!

I see a man trying to make his baby laugh at first so that WHEN he does the laugh that he knows will scare her, she will make that "funny" scared face -- he KNOWS she will be scared and that "funny" face is coming.

You don't think he knows it is coming.

You see one thing in this video. I see it differently. We don't have to agree that that is what is going on here. I may be wrong. You may be wrong.

Regardless what happens in this particular video, it doesn't change my point that it is fucked up to tease your young child for your own amusement. And I was careful to say repeatedly -- baby and small child. Kids get teased. Parents will tease, siblings will tease. My point is -- wait for the mental development to be in place. Babies and small children need time to grow first. They don't understand.

I haven't used the word torture since my first post. Sorry it seems to have caught your attention so strongly.



>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

No, sorry, I still don't buy that it's "fucked up" to do that to a kid. To try to make it laugh and fail is not fucked up. It's not right to call it torture or say that it's abuse because you demean what child abuse and torture really mean when you do that.
It's a staggering coincidence you grew up with a series of pictures of you in this situation in your family album, and that it traumatised you to such an extent. I wonder what your father would say if he read that you thought that about him - that the time when he tried to make you laugh but he failed and you cried instead, he was torturing you, abusing you, and enjoying it.
>> ^bareboards2:
All I am saying is.... Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.


mintbbbsays...

OK, I give up. A while back I told myself I wouldn't read any comments on (my, or any) videos, because they'd just end up upsetting me and I'd have to just leave VS. I am even trying to not to watch any serious videos. There's just too much crap out there, and I don't need to see it when I am just trying to not to get depressed about life again.

I forgot. I read the comments. I am depressed.

VS just isn't for me.

bareboards2says...

I'm so sorry to be the agent of this, mint. I had hoped that my vid link to the silly motocross vid would leaven the situation.

http://videosift.com/video/March-of-the-Emperors

Maybe this one will work? I love love LOVE this video. I watch it every year or so. When the egg is passed? French comedy gold!

Please stay. Put me on ignore. After you watch the Emperor vid. I guarantee it will make you smile.



>> ^mintbbb:

OK, I give up. A while back I told myself I wouldn't read any comments on (my, or any) videos, because they'd just end up upsetting me and I'd have to just leave VS. I am even trying to not to watch any serious videos. There's just too much crap out there, and I don't need to see it when I am just trying to not to get depressed about life again.
I forgot. I read the comments. I am depressed.
VS just isn't for me.

alien_conceptsays...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^alien_concept:
There's a bollockload of overreacting going on in this thread

Bollockload!??! I'm in America so speak fucking American or I'll murder your FAMILY!!!


Please do, it's week two of the summer holidays and all I can think of right now is ways that I can torture 12 and 8 year olds into running away

bareboards2says...

Ah yes. That would be me!

I figure it is my duty. Too much of the same is boooooooooring.

I am here just to tease you fellows with a different way of moving through the world. It's good for you. Like spinach. And liver and onions. And cod liver oil. And those vitamins that taste iron.

Variety, my good fellows. Variety is good for you, even if it tastes bad going in!


>> ^alien_concept:

There's a bollockload of overreacting going on in this thread

alien_conceptsays...

>> ^bareboards2:

Ah yes. That would be me!
I figure it is my duty. Too much of the same is boooooooooring.
I am here just to tease you fellows with a different way of moving through the world. It's good for you. Like spinach. And liver and onions. And cod liver oil. And those vitamins that taste iron.
Variety, my good fellows. Variety is good for you, even if it tastes bad going in!

>> ^alien_concept:
There's a bollockload of overreacting going on in this thread



No, you really weren't the only one. But then I'm only talking from my humble opinion, no one listens to me round here

Opus_Moderandisays...

You know how you can tell this is obviously NOT intentional? He hugs the kid when she starts crying and the mother's reaction, "Oh jeez, Daddy!". Those are pretty clear indicators that they didn't expect the reaction they got from the kid.

shinyblurrysays...

It was definitely intentional..you can see he is chuckling to himself before he does it. And the mom is saying "mean daddy", not oh jeez daddy. He obviously enjoys terrorizing his kid.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
You know how you can tell this is obviously NOT intentional? He hugs the kid when she starts crying and the mother's reaction, "Oh jeez, Daddy!". Those are pretty clear indicators that they didn't expect the reaction they got from the kid.

Opus_Moderandisays...

>> ^shinyblurry:

It was definitely intentional..you can see he is chuckling to himself before he does it. And the mom is saying "mean daddy", not oh jeez daddy. He obviously enjoys terrorizing his kid.
>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
You know how you can tell this is obviously NOT intentional? He hugs the kid when she starts crying and the mother's reaction, "Oh jeez, Daddy!". Those are pretty clear indicators that they didn't expect the reaction they got from the kid.



Nuh uh

Duckman33says...

I must be one evil son of a bitch because I laughed my ass off. But then again, all I saw was a father innocently trying to make his baby laugh and it backfired on him. Never once thought he did the "evil laugh" to scare the baby because trying to make it laugh didn't work. Personally, I don't know what kind of idiot it would take to scare their baby just to get a reaction because it wouldn't laugh for him. But I don't think he is one of those idiots.

oops didn't mean to upvote shiny's moronic comment.

shagen454says...

God damn people. You shouldn't even being having children in the first place, selfish, inconsiderate, world-hurting people!

Anyway, this video is hilarious and guess what? It's a BABY. After five minutes it was all forgotten. I only remember the most horrendous things my parents did to me (and what constitutes as horrendous as a child doesn't hold up in reality) I'm sure they laughed in my face, told me that Jack-o-lopes were real hundreds of times, fed me asparagus (which I LOVE now), and all sorts of horrible shit that probably made me cry but I don't remember it. But, I do have a nightmarish story from when I was 3 that I still remember. It may have certainly impacted who I was for a couple years (3,4,5) but nothing more.

I think the most abuse I got as a child was from a doctor. I fell (more like jumped, haha) from the top of bleachers when I was 3 (explains a lot, right) and suffered a severe concussion. I actually remember being pissed at my mom for paying more attention to my brothers baseball game than me, and I wanted to go up to the top of the bleachers. So I did. When I awoke my mom was standing in the corner and I was strapped down to this X-ray machine - it had leather straps that went across my neck, my stomach, my legs and my feet. I panicked and started moving around spastically and the doctor in his little control room started making those leather straps, tighter, tighter and tighter until I could not move at all. I remember it hurting, bad. This lasted 5 or 10 minutes, if my memory of it serves me well. After the straps untightened, I immediately hopped up on that very same table and started screaming "I hate you, I hate you, I hate you" towards my mom. I think my mom thought I was possessed, haha. I still think she should have done something, but I always feel more horrible about saying I hate you to my mom. I really, dislike the phrase "I hate you". It's just too much. But, anyway, that shit was cruel, but I doubt that incident had any sort of influence or factors in how I grew up, how my mind works or trust with my parents or doctors.

That is one of the few memories I have from my early childhood - the only other memories I have from that young an age was when an alien came into my room and freaked out climbed out of my crib but couldn't get the door open, my brother falling in two inches of water in the stream behind our house and he started crying profusely (even though I was 3 or 4 I started laughing at him) and the time my dad brought a RV home that had a sink in it. I remember being very fascinated by that. I'd suspect that something really needs to be strange or messed up for it to impact a baby, child or person in the long run.

The only trust issues I have are with women and that was not because of my mom but because of a she-devil.

Yeah, so make a big deal about a laugh, baby lovers! Just remember babies cry at everything, because they're fookin babies!

rottenseedsays...

>> ^shinyblurry:

Completely agree with bareboards2..this crosses the line from funny to emotionally damaging. This guy has terrible parent written all over him..


I swear there's something in that book of yours about judging others...neh maybe it's just a misconception.

shinyblurrysays...

The misconception is your own, one common among secular people. The bible doesn't say not to judge, it warns that you will be held to the same stardard that you use on someone else. It's a warning against hypocripsy.

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Completely agree with bareboards2..this crosses the line from funny to emotionally damaging. This guy has terrible parent written all over him..

I swear there's something in that book of yours about judging others...neh maybe it's just a misconception.

shinyblurrysays...

An open mind is a saving grace if you use it to follow the evidence. I believe that the truth is accessible on all levels to all people, if they subliminate their need to be right and follow it where ever it may lead. One thing leads to another..

>> ^Drax:
@shinyblurry I don't see that particular claim made by myself, actually. I have my own opinions and beliefs on most things, but I generally acknowledge that anything's possible.

Draxsays...

>> ^shinyblurry:

An open mind is a saving grace if you use it to follow the evidence. I believe that the truth is accessible on all levels to all people, if they subliminate their need to be right and follow it where ever it may lead. One thing leads to another..
>> ^Drax:
@shinyblurry I don't see that particular claim made by myself, actually. I have my own opinions and beliefs on most things, but I generally acknowledge that anything's possible.



I come to conclusions of my own about many things, mostly I never come to a dead end however.. There's always the possibility the road continues on, but that's another point all together. The thing is I rarely, if ever, will agree that there is absolutely no chance that I'm wrong on anything.

Just like, there's a chance all of reality is actually a dream of a celestial penguin (that would so rock), and I'm some sort of residual self-image of the penguin within that dream. I don't think that's true at all, but anything is possible (For the record - I give that one about the same odds as most of your beliefs).

And that's why I, at least, clash with you.. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, I respect your right to have them (as long as it doesn't cause others harm <- general rule).. I dislike that it seems you don't believe there's *any* chance that your strong views may be wrong. And you really really like to remind us all here of that.
I guess that's just how it's going to be though, but hey.. I keep an open mind about it. : )

(note: And I'm dead serious.. this is not in any way meant to imply I think you're unwelcome on the Sift. One, that's not my.. or pretty much anyone's call to make unless you do something wrong here.. and two, the more interesting people here the better, imo)

shinyblurrysays...

I understand as an unbeliever how difficult it might be to accept any truth having to do with God. I used to be agnostic and saw no evidence for God or a spirit at that time. What I am trying to explain is that these truths are spiritually discerned. Meaning, without direct knowledge or experience with the spirit, there is a great chasm fixed between you and knowledge about the Creator. Only God can open that door for you..but if you're set on rejecting God, and don't respond to the truth, and aren't even interested in knowing what it is, then you wouldn't see it even if He did open it.

I understand how you feel about me because I can imagine how I would feel about me when I wasn't sure. I'm not here to prove I am right, or harass people..I am quite simply trying to save your life. If I had a choice between a billion dollars and you being right with God, I would choose the latter. That's how important it is to me, because I know that is what God wants and that He cares for you. I also know you have an enemy that is trying to drag you into hell with him, but that isn't even really the true problem. The real issue is sin. Satan can only tempt, we are the ones who make the choice. It's our sin that separates us from God. Men turn away from God because they prefer their personal autonomy to sin and don't want to account to Him because then they would have to turn away from their sins and repent.

So, I will just say that I appreciate your position. I can understand it, because I used to believe that Christians were nuts. Perhaps you don't even believe there is any concrete truth, that it is all somehow relative. The difference in my view is that I know truth is concrete and doesn't change. That is the meaning of this parable:

Matthew 7:24-27

Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.

Building your house on the wisdom of the world is like building it on shifting sand. It's the difference between relative and absolute truth. It's the difference between life and death. The world wants to believe its all relative and everyone is right so it may continue to sin with impunity. God says there is one way, and that is through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

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