Street justice. I understand, I don't condone or condemn.

Hey! It's number 25!

Horrifying I know, but can you really blame him?

It was worth the being charged to get in those blows

at least the guy was found guilty. I wonder how he (the son) would have felt if the guy had been found beyond the shadow of a doubt, innocent. Probably not very realistic in this case, but it does happen.

As for the killer himself, as horrible as our prisons can be, I still have a hard time justifying keeping people like him alive, costing the taxpayers money and time when he himself deprived 4 people of their lives and many others of their family/friends. The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty by my view that made/makes anyone who supported the system who killed him, accessories by default. Opinions?

Tickle him! Tickle him!

Prison justice will play itself out. Rapists are on the low rung of the pecking order in prison.

>> ^RadHazG:
...if the guy had been found beyond the shadow of a doubt, innocent.

That is the standard for proving guilt, not innocence.


The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty...

It has happened multiple times.

LOL @ the man from prosecution pushing 2 woman out of his way to get to safety.

If I was on the son's jury, I would vote not guilty.

Hopefully he just gets a slap on the wrist, but it's hard to say that wasn't deserved at all. One of the best police acts I ever saw was in Toronto, outside a bar. A newly engaged woman was sexually assaulted by a guy, in front of her fiance. The cops came and cuffed him, and they brought him out to the car, he kept saying how he would make a woman of her, terrible stuff. The cops looked at the fiance and said they had to "Get something out of the back of their trunk." They went back opened their trunk and had their view obstructed.

The guy lined up a good shot on the chin and dropped him, everyone else helped the guy off the sidewalk, because he clearly slipped and fell. Cops noted he slipped and fell, and tossed him in the back of the car.

It's something like that, that I hope happens to the son, because that was justified.

I love how court TV adds in the sounds of the punches like its a movie. Awesome.

>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^RadHazG:
...if the guy had been found beyond the shadow of a doubt, innocent.
That is the standard for proving guilt, not innocence.

The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty...
It has happened multiple times.


Actually, I believe the standard for proving guilt in a criminal case is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not a shadow of a doubt. Beyond a shadow of a doubt is far to high of a bar to set for the justice system, most defendants would be acquitted. In a civil case the usual standard is that a claim is proven or not based on a preponderance of evidence. This is why someone like OJ may be acquitted on criminal charges but lose the related wrongful death suit even though on some level it might be considered double jeopardy.

ahahah <3 the chairstomp

Anyone seen the two guys on the left having their own private fight?? 0:54 and 1:04...

From what was said, the son was charged with disrupting a court proceeding. It's like a fine or a day in jail or something negligible. Criminal Contempt of Court would be harsher, and that's nothing, really.

>> ^RadHazG:
As for the killer himself, as horrible as our prisons can be, I still have a hard time justifying keeping people like him alive, costing the taxpayers money and time when he himself deprived 4 people of their lives and many others of their family/friends.


I'm sorry, what? You're saying a dehumanizing prison system is desirable? Last I checked, modern law is not about vengeance, but about maintaining social order. There's no place for brutality there.

I'm glad they let him use the chair once before they restrained him.

Git him. Yeah, yeah, use the chair! Right on!

I think the family of the victim should have the right to literally do whatever they like with him. They should just hand him over and let the taxpayers save their money. I'm totally down with that on a moral level.

Agh. Downvote the voiceover-man. I hate that guy!

As I watched this, all I felt was the pain of a kid that had his mother taken from him in a horrable way. The size/age of the guy had no bearing, in my mind, on the hurt that bastard had caused. My heart goes out to the guy!

>> ^COriolanus:
If I was on the son's jury, I would vote not guilty.


Then you've got no business being on a jury. I understand the son's actions; my aunt was raped and stabbed to death a few years back; but it doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to his actions. I sure as hell don't feel sorry for the defendant, but the law is the law.

Needs Yakkity-Sax.

I can't help but cheering on that guy, and wanting to see more chair blows. Stories like that make my blood boil so much, that's why it's important to make laws and dispense justice in a calm and dispassionate state of mind. It may be justice to have guys like this executed, but that is waaaay to likely to be misused, and then deeply regretted. The only reasonable course is to separate them from society so that nobody else can be hurt, either by his actions or by the psychological damage of causing him harm.

>> ^Tymbrwulf:
Prison justice will play itself out. Rapists are on the low rung of the pecking order in prison.


hahaha what?

pedophiles yes, rapists and murderers no.

Fucking piece of shit thug deserved to die in that attack. Fuck him. The only justice for worthless fucks like him are brutal and lengthy deaths.

I'll pay for a baseball bat with my taxes. I have a problem with paying for lethal injections. These fucking waste of flesh thugs deserve to die, and not have a single chance of existing in society OR in prison. It's a waste of time and money, and both are things we cannot afford. Those guards should be fired for not standing back and letting the guy give this prick the justice he deserves. (Okay, not REALLY fired, but they should at least be ashamed of themselves for not possessing a moral compass. >:[)

Coulda perhaps killed him with a "CIA letter opener".

Or pay the mafia to have him brutally killed in prison.

Abolishing the death penalty would only mean something if prisoners did hard labor during their entire stay: no TV, no internet, no fancy menu, no law library, maybe a few used books. Other than that, you break rocks into smaller rocks until you're dead or released.

What I meant to say was while prison isn't desirable of course, sending him there (no matter how bad the experience) is now 1 more burden on the taxpayers. The man stole lives, and is now in my opinion, indirectly stealing taxpayer money. Depending on how "tough" he is, he might not even get the horrible experience that we all hear about. Just ends up beating down other people in there with a near total lack of freedom.

Also, I am aware that innocent men have been put to death by a death penalty in one state or another, I was speaking from a standpoint of the lone case. For this reason, if I was asked on the spot about being for or against, I would have to be against. Until at least we develop a better legal system that can truly prove someone guilty beyond the *shadow* of a doubt, and that person deserves death. Possible? Not likely. But it is the line I have drawn. For now, with reasonable doubt, I can't support it despite how I feel about the drain on taxpayer money.

Whenever the idea of money comes into the "should we execute them or not?" argument, I cringe. Massive amounts of wealth in this country is being spent on totally frivolous things. I read a book written by a Republican lady who said that half of America's money is spent on non-necessary things. Entertainment, vacations, automobiles, etc. The idea that we would kill people to save some money, when there is so much money being thrown around for hedonistic things, just seems incredibly wrong.

If we were living in say, Mozambique, where the average person makes 200 bucks a year or something around there, then I could OK the death penalty as a money saving measure. But in the US? Not so much.

Where were the tasers in this scenario???

ahh im so stupid they must only be effective against helpless victims.

We're talking about tax dollars here though jerryku, not just random money. Tax dollars (in theory anyway) are supposed to be used for official purposes, not frivolity like vacations and whatnot. Obviously you can get nitpicky about some of it, but the point is that money spent on keeping people who (imo) gave up the right to live by intentionally killing multiple people, could be used for many other things. Like perhaps, providing aid to those workers in Mozambique.

Any he does to the guy is justified in my book.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^COriolanus:
If I was on the son's jury, I would vote not guilty.

Then you've got no business being on a jury. I understand the son's actions; my aunt was raped and stabbed to death a few years back; but it doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to his actions. I sure as hell don't feel sorry for the defendant, but the law is the law.


The law is only the law as far as a jury of one's peers is willing to enforce it. The law's basically just an algorithm/script for justice, and you could say it leaves room for a jury of peers to manually fine-tune the application of that script.

>> ^gwiz665:
Street justice. I understand, I don't condone or condemn.


I condone every single hit and wish that he had gotten in several more.

>> ^RadHazG:
As for the killer himself, as horrible as our prisons can be, I still have a hard time justifying keeping people like him alive, costing the taxpayers money and time when he himself deprived 4 people of their lives and many others of their family/friends. The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty by my view that made/makes anyone who supported the system who killed him, accessories by default. Opinions?


It's actually more expensive and time consuming to put people to death. Link.

It has also been shown NOT to be a deterrent; that is, capital offenses do not happen less frequently in areas with the death penalty.

Additionally, if you click through my link above and scroll down to Federal Costs (3rd heading down) you will see that defendants in the lower 3rd of money spent on legal representation (less than $320,000) had a 44% chance of receiving a death sentence. For the upper 2/3rd (spending more than $320,000 on representation), the rate is 19%. Our system is imperfect and skewed toward those with money. It's not something that can necessarily be fixed, but it's not dependable enough to use as a basis to start killing people.

I'm glad all they did was give the man a slap on the wrist for doing that, as everyone can fully understand the utter rage and hate he must have for the criminal.

However. All you people braying for prolonged deaths and mutilations and beatings are truly savages. Shall we just go back to the days of public hangings shall we? Fucking hell.

Edit- Bah, someone beat me to it.

If it had been my mom, that guy would be dead already.

It's totally worth it. He got in lots of good blows and a solid chair strike. That's worth some jail time.

Look like in the end...he got the chair