If this is American teacher education, we're all doomed...

This is a phone video clip from a "teacher continuing education" class that teachers from the Chicago Public School system had to attend on a Saturday---apparently, a firm called "CEO Network" put it on.

Egads. Droning, mindless, repetition. Total lack of actual learning. No energy, innovation, or challenging ideas.

No damn wonder that some education systems can just be written off. It would take a super human teacher to resist having the life beat out of them by "continuing education" like this. How can they inspire and lead their students if this is how they are being "taught"? The implications (negative) of the parallel process are horrifying.
This is ridiculous.
It makes me sad, angry, and appalled all at the same time, for the teachers and their students at the same time.
siftbotsays...

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Monday, March 24th, 2014 1:39pm PDT - promote requested by original submitter SFOGuy.

newtboysays...

It's disgusting that, somehow, this company is being paid tax payers money to "teach" these teachers in this way. Perhaps an investigation is in order to find out how this is what we are paying for...it seems likely that the one who made the decision is somehow getting paid for choosing 'CEO Network'.

transportersays...

research shows, though, that if you repeat the same words over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, that you will remember those words....and the original meaning of those words will be lost, leaving you instead with a tremendous amount of rage.

Stormsingersays...

Hardly Bob. It would be more appropriately referred to as a shining example of for-profit education, courtesy of the privatize-everything wingnuts.

chingalerasays...

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Asmosays...

And in the dull lowing sounds of their voices, any spark of enthusiasm that might have existed in these people to, you know, TEACH kids cool shit has been snuffed out.

budzossays...

This is really pretty horrifying, and gave me flashbacks to early school where the teacher would try to make you repeat things like this, as if saying it two words at a time makes it stick. Hey here's an idea how about giving me credit for being able to remember more than two words at a time? No, we have to design the teaching method towards the stupidest people in the room, who are not going to benefit from education anyways, rendering the entire system largely pointless? OK.

bobknight33says...

Nope.
It's capitalism providing what the liberal educators want.

Stormsingersaid:

Hardly Bob. It would be more appropriately referred to as a shining example of for-profit education, courtesy of the privatize-everything wingnuts.

newtboysays...

Nope, it's capitalism providing the minimum possible for the maximum profit, as usual. No "educator" wants this, 'liberal' or 'conservative'...this is more like anti-education, not some quasi-educational political agenda by either side.

bobknight33said:

Nope.
It's capitalism providing what the liberal educators want.

newtboysays...

...but that's not what you said....
(I know, you changed it and now seem to want to pretend you didn't in some effort to say I'm wrong, but I quoted you and that quote didn't change...D'oh!)
...you said "liberal government and unions"...that's 2....double whammy....and now double fail.

bobknight33said:

Liberals
Government
Unions

Triple whammy,

cosmovitellisays...

By willfully misunderstanding the cause to satisfy your ideological position YOU are the cause of this disaster. Next generation of murkins gets their ass handed to them by the asians.Truth hurts.

newtboysaid:

Nope, it's capitalism providing the minimum possible for the maximum profit, as usual. No "educator" wants this, 'liberal' or 'conservative'...this is more like anti-education, not some quasi-educational political agenda by either side.

newtboysays...

Huh? Willfully misunderstanding what exactly? If you disagree that this is a capitalism/profit issue, not a 'liberals hate education' issue, disagree (and be specific and factual, not just insulting and dismissive), or are you trying to say this IS what 'liberal' educators want? You were quite vague (I think intentionally).
When you simply dismiss anyone that disagrees with you by claiming they willfully misunderstand, that simply shows you don't really have a leg to stand on and are just bitching and name calling, not making a factual argument.
There's no willful misunderstanding here, I honestly think it's an issue that business usually does the absolute minimum possible to get paid, just like in this class. That goes double for business that's working for the 'government'. That has nothing to do with 'liberals' or 'conservatives'...they both support business and both hire businesses to do work for the government. Attempting to say it is a 'liberal' cause (with no information to back you up) seems like the normal BS MO of 'conservatives' that want to blame any fault on 'liberals' and any good on 'conservatives'...I find that MO to be infantile, and I'll just disagree. I don't see this as political, some people see everything as a political stance to take....I try to avoid them.
Explain how that's wrong please, or go comb your merkin in silence....or lend it to a hairless Asian and have them explain.
Exactly what "truth" hurts? Your "truth" that my position (that business only does what it has to in order to get paid) is somehow the cause of the lack of education in America? Didn't hurt me, I simply disagree, think that you're wrong, and note that you've said nothing to even attempt to make me think otherwise, only tried to belittle me. That's the MO of someone who knows they already lost the argument before it began.
Truth is an idea in the mind of a crazy person...but you don't need to know the "truth" in order to not lie.

cosmovitellisaid:

By willfully misunderstanding the cause to satisfy your ideological position YOU are the cause of this disaster. Next generation of murkins gets their ass handed to them by the asians.Truth hurts.

newtboysays...

OK...but how is a teacher "training" session different from a teacher "education" session? I don't see a difference except semantically.
EDIT: It claims this is a "teacher continuing education" class.
To me, it was fairly obvious that this was a demonstration of how this technique DOESN'T work on teachers or anyone else. Maybe that's just me.

njjh201said:

It isn't American teacher education, it's a one minute and three second clip of a training session.

And it's fairly obvious that instead of using this as a tool for teaching, the leader of the session is demonstrating how this technique works by modelling it on the teachers attending.

bobknight33says...

The American Government education system is an anti education system.
Kids today get a less quality education than before.

I don't mind these dumb kids today because it means added job security. You are too dumb to know better. Someone needs to serve me lunch and sweep my floors.

You must be one of them. You were taught and firmly believe that Liberalism is good and capitalism is evil and must be destroyed. The fact of the matter is the exact opposite, Liberalism is evil.



And yes educators do want this dumbing down of students. They have been doing this for years. Finally the education is controlled by union controlled liberals. They have been in control for decades. We are not #1 or 8th, we are down in the middle of the pack down at 20. For all the money we spend per child and to be in 20th place.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/11/15/Mom-Furious-After-Son-Makes-Honor-Roll-With-C-s-and-D-s

http://worldtop20.org/

newtboysaid:

Nope, it's capitalism providing the minimum possible for the maximum profit, as usual. No "educator" wants this, 'liberal' or 'conservative'...this is more like anti-education, not some quasi-educational political agenda by either side.

cosmovitellisays...

sorry my aim was off not meant at you!

newtboysaid:

Huh? Willfully misunderstanding what exactly? If you disagree that this is a capitalism/profit issue, not a 'liberals hate education' issue, disagree (and be specific and factual, not just insulting and dismissive), or are you trying to say this IS what 'liberal' educators want? You were quite vague (I think intentionally).
When you simply dismiss anyone that disagrees with you by claiming they willfully misunderstand, that simply shows you don't really have a leg to stand on and are just bitching and name calling, not making a factual argument.
There's no willful misunderstanding here, I honestly think it's an issue that business usually does the absolute minimum possible to get paid, just like in this class. That goes double for business that's working for the 'government'. That has nothing to do with 'liberals' or 'conservatives'...they both support business and both hire businesses to do work for the government. Attempting to say it is a 'liberal' cause (with no information to back you up) seems like the normal BS MO of 'conservatives' that want to blame any fault on 'liberals' and any good on 'conservatives'...I find that MO to be infantile, and I'll just disagree. I don't see this as political, some people see everything as a political stance to take....I try to avoid them.
Explain how that's wrong please, or go comb your merkin in silence....or lend it to a hairless Asian and have them explain.
Exactly what "truth" hurts? Your "truth" that my position (that business only does what it has to in order to get paid) is somehow the cause of the lack of education in America? Didn't hurt me, I simply disagree, think that you're wrong, and note that you've said nothing to even attempt to make me think otherwise, only tried to belittle me. That's the MO of someone who knows they already lost the argument before it began.
Truth is an idea in the mind of a crazy person...but you don't need to know the "truth" in order to not lie.

newtboysays...

Once again, the neocon answer is dismissiveness and insult, with no logic, reason, or facts.
You certainly don't have me pegged, sir. I'm not a dumb kid of today, nor did I spend much time in public schooling. 1290, 3.5, 138 and graduated...sorry to disappoint or confuse.
Your comprehension of my position is appallingly incorrect, and knee jerkingly insulting to boot.
I have both been taught, and learned from experience, that capitalism is not the best answer to every problem, nor is liberalism (not that they are opposites or related). Neither is evil or good, those are things only people can be. Neither is a panacea.
Educators want nothing of the sort...you are describing baby sitters.
Wow, amazing that you aren't chanting "We're #1" like most neocons mindlessly do. I'll give you props for that little victory. I agree, our position is sad, more so when you consider the cost we pay for that result, and the costs we will pay because of it.
I do think you are (redacted) wrong that any TEACHERS want this kind of mind numbing chanting or dumbing down of their students...I do agree there aren't enough teachers teaching, and too many babysitters in their place. I also think this is due, in large part, to the lack of respect and compensation available to a public school teacher....you've already shown the former quite clearly, and your political affiliates have seen to the latter.
You seem to have convinced yourself that, since I don't go along with your narrow train of thought, that I'm all for, and 100% behind the current education system, I never even hinted at that straw man arguement. What I did say is that capitalist business always does the least work possible to get the most pay out, and that's not what we want for our tax dollars, especially not our education system. As was said before, this particular flaw is an issue caused by for-profit privatization with not enough regulation, which if it must be politicized is a right wing baby.

bobknight33said:

The American Government education system is an anti education system.
Kids today get a less quality education than before.

I don't mind these dumb kids today because it means added job security. You are too dumb to know better. Someone needs to serve me lunch and sweep my floors.

You must be one of them. You were taught and firmly believe that Liberalism is good and capitalism is evil and must be destroyed. The fact of the matter is the exact opposite, Liberalism is evil.



And yes educators do want this dumbing down of students. They have been doing this for years. Finally the education is controlled by union controlled liberals. They have been in control for decades. We are not #1 or 8th, we are down in the middle of the pack down at 20. For all the money we spend per child and to be in 20th place.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/11/15/Mom-Furious-After-Son-Makes-Honor-Roll-With-C-s-and-D-s

http://worldtop20.org/

shatterdrosesays...

(Because I know you won't really read any links: Texas VOTED to REMOVE Capitalism from their textbooks. Yes, you read that correctly. Texas, REMOVED the word Capitalism from their textbooks because of negative connotations. Instead, you should use the term Free-Market Enterprise. So yeah, good thing those pesky liberals didn't vote to keep the word capitalism in the textbooks . . . )

You do know we have an education BECAUSE of liberalism. Much like everything else conservatives hold sacred . . .

You WILL mind dumb kids when they can't pay their taxes to support your liberal/socialist social security checks later in life, or the roads you have to drive on.

You WILL mind dumb kids when statistically speaking, less educated men are more likely to commit violent crimes and less educated women will have more children, which means more food stamps. You know, the things conservatives hate spending .5% of our annual government budget on.

So while us "liberals" have been petitioning for more teacher freedom, higher pay to attract better teachers, been against standardized tests and against for-profit schools, you conservatives can keep trying to hawk your proven to fail for-profit "capitalist" schools.

Oh, and I hate to tell you, but public schools don't teach kids to hate capitalism. Neither does the Lego Movie either. Turn off Fox News once in a while and step outside. Maybe talk to a total stranger (which means putting the gun down for a minute and not Standing Your Ground). Which coincidently, would diminish greatly with a robust liberal education. (In case you didn't get the play on words, as in teaching kids more than how to recite words and flip hamburgers. It's called A Mile Wide, An Inch Deep.

But hey, you would know all this if the Texas School Board wasn't eliminating pieces of history because they don't fit their current political agenda.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/culture/texas-school-board-approves-controversial-textbook-changes/954/

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20131122-texas-education-board-approves-science-books-that-fully-cover-evolution.ece (They wanted to prevent evolution from being taught despite the piles of evidence supporting it.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html You want to talk about "bias"? Yeah, conservatives are trying really hard to rewrite history in their favor by making sure no experts ever have a say in the selection of textbook material, but people who "feel" like there is a bias. You know, because truth has a well known liberal bias.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/

Yeah, I'm sorry, but the facts don't bear out in your case. Except, that our system is going downhill, but it's not because of their "liberal" education, that's for sure.

bobknight33said:

The American Government education system is an anti education system.
Kids today get a less quality education than before.

I don't mind these dumb kids today because it means added job security. You are too dumb to know better. Someone needs to serve me lunch and sweep my floors.

You must be one of them. You were taught and firmly believe that Liberalism is good and capitalism is evil and must be destroyed. The fact of the matter is the exact opposite, Liberalism is evil.



And yes educators do want this dumbing down of students. They have been doing this for years. Finally the education is controlled by union controlled liberals. They have been in control for decades. We are not #1 or 8th, we are down in the middle of the pack down at 20. For all the money we spend per child and to be in 20th place.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/11/15/Mom-Furious-After-Son-Makes-Honor-Roll-With-C-s-and-D-s

http://worldtop20.org/

SFOGuysays...

That's what so sad. Imagine how hard it would be to still want to help kids learn.
It would take the heart and soul of a true rebel.

Asmosaid:

And in the dull lowing sounds of their voices, any spark of enthusiasm that might have existed in these people to, you know, TEACH kids cool shit has been snuffed out.

JustSayingsays...

Oh Bob, how I envy you. The world must be such a nice place if you can view it only in black or white. Binary thinking must be easy on the synapses.
Here's one thing I don't understand, though. Maybe you can help me out.
Why do you hate liberty so much?
I mean, you're an american, right? Land of the free, home of the brave?
Home of the Liberty Bell? The country whose most famous landmark is called the "Statue of Liberty".
Why so much hate the most american thing? I always wanted to asked somebody who's so obviously republican as you.
Here's something I found on Wikipedia:
"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."

Hmmm... generally supporting following ideas:
- free and fair elections (voter id laws and voting fraud prevention)
- civil rights (Dude! Don't tread on me!)
- freedom of the press (concern about lamestream media and "liberal bias" in the media)
- freedom of religion (for example the freedom of teaching children creationism)
- free trade (capitalism yay!)
- private property (for some reason the name "Ron Jeremy" came to mind but I think I got the name wrong)

I can understand a dislike for equality (come on, slaves are super useful) but not for liberty. Not if you're a true american.

Shouldn't you call yourself a liberal? Is it just a weird closet you're in?

bobknight33said:

Blablabla...

... You must be one of them. You were taught and firmly believe that Liberalism is good and capitalism is evil and must be destroyed. The fact of the matter is the exact opposite, Liberalism is evil...

...blablabla

arghnesssays...

I don't know about the USA, but in the UK you don't necessarily need any degree at all. You just need a PGCE qualification (a fairly straightforward qualification on basic teaching including practical experience) and a "good understanding" of the subject you want to teach, although that will often be a Bachelors degree.

lucky760said:

All those people have a Masters degree, right?

They're being taught like they're kindergartners.

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