Admirable but terrible.
Completely setting these girls up for failure in life.

Hahahahahahah _ He was "Compromised"
So he better make sure everyone else hates themselves as well.

The Purity Ball, is creepy as hell. If a girl needs a male touch, it better NOT be from her father!!

OMG - I have so much to say here.
I find so much of this disturbing.

What gives the dad the right to tell her who is good enough. Talk about absolute control issues. Teaching these girls right from day one, that it'a the MAN who makes all the decisions - That the girl is not capable to make her own choices.

This is fucked up on so many levels I don't even know where to start.

there is nothing admirable about this. nothing. it's completely fucked up and damaging.

"...if I didn't have my friends at church, knowing they are going through the same thing as I am. I'd feel so alone. I'd feel like I'd give up." And so the trap is set, peer pressure to stay in the church and not open their minds and hearts to other options.

This is so far beyond creepy... I mean I get the pledge to stay a virgin until you are married. If that's your wish, then go with it, but this is carrying that well beyond what is reasonable. I'm almost cool with the idea of trying to get the father's approval, though that shouldn't be an absolute, as the girl isn't the father's property. She still should have the right to choose on her own... This is one of the things I don't get about these sort of movements, removal of choice, the key thing that God set up for us, when you force that choice, then you remove it from the person and say God is too weak to convict the person of the wrong choice. It is partly why I moved from Republican to Libertarian because I couldn't deal with the idea of telling people how to live their life, as it made God seem weak, as if He couldn't convict them.

I'd like to hope that even at the height of my evangelical life that I would have found this too creepy. Even when I was in Promise Keepers and traveling great distances to Promise Keepers meetings, and to see Benny Hinn and other evangelical preachers. I fear sometimes I would probably find it creepy but would be willing to dismiss it too easily...

Where's the purity balls for moms and sons? Of course, the woman has no authority in these types of homes.

Creepy
As
Fuck

There are things like statutory rape laws because kids in middle and high school are too young to consent to sex. They legally CAN'T make that decision, so saying dad has control issues for proactively and publicly "deciding" for his daughter is pretty funny.

Yeah, but this isn't even about sex.... they can't kiss or even date.

It's creepy as fuck and yeah, it's controlling and weird and gives the girls completely the wrong idea about sex.

I really wish that we as a society could ditch our fucking weird obsession with virginity. Being a virgin isn't some badge of honour. There's nothing wrong with it, either, but we place all this massive weight of expectation on "your first time". As long as you're of age and you practice safe sex, losing your virginity should be a simple matter of preference.

Maybe people wouldn't be so fucking uptight about sex then.

Who said anything about under age sex?

When they're younger, dad makes them abstain for dating.
When they get older, their dad is choosing who who can date them, and ultimately who they will marry.

Where do these girls have a say in their own lives? Why are they not given the chance to make a few mistakes and learn what they want in a man. Not everyone wants the same thing.
This is brainwashing at best.

You need to teach them to make good decisions. Teach them to handle a break up, teach them to learn what they want and how to find it. Teach them to stand up for what they want, and then let them learn the skills of controlling their own destiny.

Personally, I'd prefer my daughter to have sex, learn a bit before deciding what she wants. Unfortunately, IT'S NOT UP TO ME. It's fully up to her, and I gave her the skills to make those choices on her own.

Oh, And I should mention, this whole Statuary Rape thing is a US entity, it doesn't exist in other countries. It doesn't exist in Cananda either. To say a girl has been raped because she's under a specific age is the dumbest thing in the world.

If she is 17 and she chooses to have sex with her 17 year old boyfriend, then it's not rape. It's consensual sex. If, she's 16 and the boyfriend is 17, still not rape.
If she's 17 and the guy is 35, (in Cananda) that could be considered rape, but that's decided on maturity levels, and on a case-by-case basis.

Rape is when it's done by cohesion or force. Not just because of an age number. (as it is in the US).

Sorry, I'm off on a different track now - sorry about that.

It's really a no-brainer that those who wait until marriage will have better outcomes in life. Teen pregnancy and std statistics tell us that very plainly.

The reasoning for this is simple:

Christian parents raise Christian children. That means, no premarital sex because fornication is a sin. That means you don't date someone except to see if they are suitable as a spouse. That means that as teens are not ready for that kind of commitment they don't need to date. That is why their parents serve as gatekeepers for their children.

The biblical role of a parent is to train their children to know and serve the Lord. It is not to let the world in and allow their children to fornicate in the name of personal freedom. It seems alien to a secular audience because you don't know what kind of life God requires you to live.

No, it's not really a no brainer. The few studies done, when other known factors are considered, showed that virgin marriages had <2% difference in satisfaction, probably within the margin of error....divorce rates are obviously skewed because most virgin couples are extremely religious, which accounts for lower divorce rates...it doesn't mean they have happy or successful marriages.
STDs and unwanted pregnancy are easily avoided with responsible safe sex...granted, most teens aren't very responsible.

Your reasoning is flawed...if Christians raise Christians, (and I assume you think the same goes for other religions) where do atheists come from? Also, you do know that children given abstinence only sex ed, usually Christians, have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and STDs, don't you? Very few follow church instructions once outside of church, that's why less than 5% of marriages are by virgins.

I'm not really debating about the quality of the marriage, although I believe that would be far better to only love one person and stay with them your entire life. Your argument about the rates being skewed because they are highly religious; it's interesting that you choose to explain that away rather than count it as evidence for the opposing view. That's a classic case of confirmation bias.

When I said Christians raise Christians, I meant it to mean that you shouldn't be surprised that these men are raising their daughters that way. I think you should be thanking God to see a father in this day and age take such an interest in his daughters well being. They are following biblical principles which is exactly what they should be doing.

There are plenty of ex-christian atheists, I understand your point. However, a profession of faith doesn't make you a Christian; God has to do a work in your heart. You have to be born again and many of those "ex" christians never met God. There will be some though that did meet God and fell away from the faith.

Dress it up any way you like. This is about men controlling women.

When you're talking about something that clearly skews the stats, like hyper religious people thinking divorce is totally a slap at God, that's not confirmation bias, it's statistics.

Do you feel the same about those who imprison women, force their silence with abuse, and treat them like abused pets because their religion says that's proper? What if they're Christians?

What say you about those God has chosen to be non believers? According to you, God created them with no purpose besides eternal torture in hell, because according to you they have no alternative since God never revealed himself to them so heaven is barred to them. Pretty fucked up God imo. I prefer Mt (Mot, Mewt, etc). He's older than Yahweh and far more honest and stable.

I think the father risks sowing the seeds of resentment from his own daughter which in turn may really test his own beliefs.

I think it better to "expect the unexpected" than it is to not trust her. All he has to do is be there for her when she needs him.

Not sure how you can hold both positions...if the marriage isn't quality, neither is your outcome in life.
Religious marriages where divorce is not an option can be a disastrous outcome....for life, and that isn't an aberration, it may actually be a majority of them.

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Waiting until marriage for sex/romance might have made some sense when girls would be married off by 15. (And often dead by 30 from dysentery....) But the world has moved on.

I don't know, it seems pretty arbitrary to me either way. Actually the best argument for it IMO is that if you only have sex with one person, you aren't going to know if it's good or terrible. You won't have anything to compare it to and therefore something to make your life more unhappy if you think it's bad; one less issue to divorce for as well. Similarly, maybe if you were poor and couldn't afford fancy food, consciously avoiding ever trying the things you couldn't regularly afford so you would never be unhappy with not having it. It would be a question in the back of your mind, but not a source of unhappiness.

It would also have been nice to have some interview questions about how the sons are taught and treated by the same parents.

Not surprising given Christianity is like, The Religion of Dad. All praise the almighty father.

It's creepy but eh... dunno if incestuous. That "needing a male touch" line was bleugh tho. and the sexism. Where are the sons dating their mothers? Surely they need to practice wielding their authority over women?

I mean, this is as literal as patriarchy gets

Well here we go again MSM using these kinds of things to bash Christianity and attempt to make it look like some wrong religion. How childish. Not true at all MSM just lies and has an agenda.

I personally believe father, daughter, and balls shouldn't appear in the same sentence.





wait... what?

I don't think they meant Methylsulfonlmethane.

Perhaps, Men Seeking Men?

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

This reminds me of something...

Sorry, but that's just silly. Limited sexual experience doesn't mean you can't be aware that it's bad sex, you can still be unhappy with it but not know why. You might also think that it's just the way it is.

I wonder how many long suffering wives have just lain there while their clueless husbands mindlessly plowed away, they'll go through the motions while quietly waiting for it to be done. All the while assuming this is just part of their wifely duties.

I've heard a lot about how these days, despite our sex soaked culture there are women who have never really learned about their bodies and can't even get themselves off. And to be fair, the clueless husbands are often no better educated than they are.

When you're talking about something that clearly skews the stats, like hyper religious people thinking divorce is totally a slap at God, that's not confirmation bias, it's statistics.

It's also evidence that it is a better way of life, but that is something you apparently refuse to consider. That is why I am calling confirmation bias.

Do you feel the same about those who imprison women, force their silence with abuse, and treat them like abused pets because their religion says that's proper? What if they're Christians?

The bible says that husbands should lay down their lives for their wives, like Christ loved the church and died for it.

What say you about those God has chosen to be non believers? According to you, God created them with no purpose besides eternal torture in hell, because according to you they have no alternative since God never revealed himself to them so heaven is barred to them. Pretty fucked up God imo. I prefer Mt (Mot, Mewt, etc). He's older than Yahweh and far more honest and stable.

It's not that God wouldn't reveal Himself to them; a lot of ex-christian atheists simply inherited the faith of their parents, and when they got turned loose in the world, they fell away because they didn't really know God. They need to have their own faith that is wholly theirs. No one can make you or by proxy give your life to Christ. That is a decision each individual person has to come to on their own.

I'm not holding both positions, I just wasn't factoring that into the debate. Of course I believe that a Christ centered marriage and home is the best we can do as human beings. We are all flawed but Christ is not and He can give us the power to overcome whatever hurdles stand in the way of a happy marriage.

1)I considered that argument, I just disagree. Women under some religious laws can't initiate a divorce at all, but I doubt you would argue the lower, near zero divorce rates are evidence that it's a better way of life or leads to better outcomes for those powerless women than normal current American Christianity, would you? I think women who stay in bad marriages for their religion don't usually find it to be a better way of life, they often find it an inescapable trap of hopelessness.

2) you would be hard pressed to find men living up to that ideal and or not taking unfair advantage of their religion given position of dominance. As I recall, the bible also tells you various reasons it's your duty to murder people with rocks, so it's not a bad thing to be a bit loose in your interpretations, but perhaps not that particular instruction.

3)but, if I am created by the creator with reason enough to believe only in things that are at least either logical or verifiable, and God is neither without revealing himself to be more than fable, and he doesn't, it's his decision not mine. If he exists and has miraculous powers including revelation, he chooses to have me not believe by choosing to not prove his own improbable existence, meaning he chooses to create me just for inescapable eternal torture.