HAHAH ... great look of disdain on the majority of the audience faces! I imagine "God" has a very special place for those two ... [fill in the blank]

Higher quality link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JAErHl7lZ4

up vote for "Douche Nozzles"

You know, the reason these people feel that they are invincible is that no one has bothered to murder any of them yet. People say that's not the way to deal with them, but I can guarantee if they worried about their safety they wouldn't protest as much at all. The heads of that church are just barely keeping those people enthrall, if you make their adventures personally too costly, they will no longer protest and we will be free of them. Take one of these guys into an alley, and blow their brains out of the back of their head, and you will see a dramatic change in behavior.

Yogi, they're fucking terrible, but unfortunately it's their right to be fucking awful.

I agree. Voltaire, free speech and all that. No-one should be murdered for their opinions.

That said, the rule is freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences from speech. You're free to call your boss a turd and he's free to fire your ass for it.

So with that in mind, I propose a compromise. No-one at the WBC gets murdered, but the next time they picket a funeral, a bunch of marines kick the crap outta them.

>> ^EMPIRE:

Yogi, they're fucking terrible, but unfortunately it's their right to be fucking awful.


edit: also am I the only one who really doesn't like Russell Brands comedy? It's childish, and I don't mean that it's juvenile, I mean its actually the kind of comedy an 8 year old would do at a school talent day.

The reason that they feel like they have the right to express their opinion is because that right is protected by the Constitution. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I think that RB's humour has a place and this kind of platform is where it belongs. He uses his extensive vocabulary to confuse the fuck out of them and wraps it up in a childlike silliness which is completely non-threatening. Best way to get an interview out of wankpiles like this. He started off as an interviewer, and I've always enjoyed him as such, especially because underneath the inanity is a very thoughtful and kind man.

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>> ^TheJehosephat:

Higher quality link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JAErHl7lZ4


Thank you! I replaced the original with this.

I do have to give the WBC credit for just showing up and credit to Brand for controlling his audience enough to give them a chance to speak.

Anytime you have that chance to at least have a dialog is a win and how one learns.

This just reinforces the absurdity of believing in a god or at the very least having any immutable doctrine of god.

Even if you're at the very least a deist, this idea that you can know precisely what god wants (on BOTH sides of the issue). You don't know that god wants you to hate fags, for that matter you don't know that god wants you to love either.

Even amongst people of the same faith, you can't get anyone to agree on exactly what god is/wants. There is no authoritative source, and that includes the bible and it's multiple versions. There is no empirical evidence either way.

even if you do believe in a god, saying "I don't know" sets you free from any religion or cult like this.

Even if a god does exist and does in fact hate homosexuality and does not want you to be/practice it. He's got an undeniably shitty way of communicating this guideline and why it should be adhered to.

God may be all powerful, but he's shite at communication and education.

There is also 521 prophecies about Christ and all but 1 has been fulfilled.

>> ^bobknight33:

There is also 521 proficiencies about Christ and all but 1 has been fulfilled.


Exhibit A re: god being a horrible communicator and educator.

The difference between the WBC and more moderate christians is these people actually believe in god. Everything they're saying is quite right in a world where their magic book is true.

The bible isn't allegorical. That's a smarmy modern justification for why so many retards believe so much shit. The bible was created by cavemen to be taken literally by cavemen; the WBC are cavemen taking it literally, as intended - they're true christians.

If you have any respect for religion at all then you have no right to criticise these fuck-brained neanderthals. If you have no respect for religion then you have no right to criticise these fuck-brained neanderthals any more than the loathsome billions who share their affiliation.

>> ^bobknight33:

There is also 521 proficiencies about Christ and all but 1 has been fulfilled.


@video
I don't know anything about Russell Brand, just found out he existed. But from what I just saw, I think he handled a notoriously hard situation quite well, while ensuring both sides had a short but reasonable chance to make some points.
As for any degrees of childishness (in this case).. The topic is a joke. To deal with it in any other way is the quickest path to failure.
In saying that, jokes can at times have serious consensuses.. as the altered saying goes, it's all fun and games until you're catering to someone who lost their senses.

@bobknight33
Firstly, 'proficiencies' means: the quality of having great facility and competence.
Example: your proficiency (proficiencies) of relating words to meanings is questionable in regards to a more likely intended meaning.

Secondly, and assuming you meant 'prophecies'. If so..
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So, requesting indisputable proof with reliable sources backed by the majority of the scientific community please. Else, I'm disregarding your statement.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

I agree. Voltaire, free speech and all that. No-one should be murdered for their opinions.
That said, the rule is freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences from speech. You're free to call your boss a turd and he's free to fire your ass for it.
So with that in mind, I propose a compromise. No-one at the WBC gets murdered, but the next time they picket a funeral, a bunch of marines kick the crap outta them.
>> ^EMPIRE:
Yogi, they're fucking terrible, but unfortunately it's their right to be fucking awful.

edit: also am I the only one who really doesn't like Russell Brands comedy? It's childish, and I don't mean that it's juvenile, I mean its actually the kind of comedy an 8 year old would do at a school talent day.


People are murdered for their opinions every day. A lot of times they're brown people, in other countries who are just fighting for their freedom from oppression and someone who is US Backed kills them. I'm just saying we should bring some of the terror we export home, and even the score up a bit.

I get the impression that these true believers would love nothing better than to be killed, martyred and sent off to their father in heaven. I think the only chance you might have at discouraging them for being douchenozzles would be complete indifference. Throwing a tantrum is no fun if no one cares. >> ^Yogi:

You know, the reason these people feel that they are invincible is that no one has bothered to murder any of them yet. People say that's not the way to deal with them, but I can guarantee if they worried about their safety they wouldn't protest as much at all. The heads of that church are just barely keeping those people enthrall, if you make their adventures personally too costly, they will no longer protest and we will be free of them. Take one of these guys into an alley, and blow their brains out of the back of their head, and you will see a dramatic change in behavior.

I prophesize that later in this comment, dft will:

-inexplicably and for no reason type "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"
-make a knock knock joke
-talk about avocados
-correct a misspelling
-display in parody why prophesy and prophesy fulfillment doesn't mean much when they are both written in the same fictional text
-try to convert bobknight to a new religion.

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Knock Knock? Who's there? Who. Who who? Who put the ram in the ramalama ding dong?

I could really go for some guacamole right now. Does anyone have any fresh avocados?

@bobknight33, I assume you meant to say "prophesies" instead of proficiencies

>> ^bobknight33:

There is also 521 proficiencies about Christ and all but 1 has been fulfilled.

Of the 6 prophesies written about dft, all but one has been fulfilled.

I am clearly the chosen one. Will you become one of my disciples @bobknight33?

(Oh look, I'm 6/6 now)

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
I agree. Voltaire, free speech and all that. No-one should be murdered for their opinions.
That said, the rule is freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences from speech. You're free to call your boss a turd and he's free to fire your ass for it.
So with that in mind, I propose a compromise. No-one at the WBC gets murdered, but the next time they picket a funeral, a bunch of marines kick the crap outta them.
>> ^EMPIRE:
Yogi, they're fucking terrible, but unfortunately it's their right to be fucking awful.

edit: also am I the only one who really doesn't like Russell Brands comedy? It's childish, and I don't mean that it's juvenile, I mean its actually the kind of comedy an 8 year old would do at a school talent day.

People are murdered for their opinions every day. A lot of times they're brown people, in other countries who are just fighting for their freedom from oppression and someone who is US Backed kills them. I'm just saying we should bring some of the terror we export home, and even the score up a bit.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Yogi is saying we should murder them for their opinion, but simply for our convenience. Shit, Americans do that all the time.

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>> ^VoodooV:

I do have to give the WBC credit for just showing up and credit to Brand for controlling his audience enough to give them a chance to speak.
Anytime you have that chance to at least have a dialog is a win and how one learns.
This just reinforces the absurdity of believing in a god or at the very least having any immutable doctrine of god.
Even if you're at the very least a deist, this idea that you can know precisely what god wants (on BOTH sides of the issue). You don't know that god wants you to hate fags, for that matter you don't know that god wants you to love either.
Even amongst people of the same faith, you can't get anyone to agree on exactly what god is/wants. There is no authoritative source, and that includes the bible and it's multiple versions. There is no empirical evidence either way.
even if you do believe in a god, saying "I don't know" sets you free from any religion or cult like this.
Even if a god does exist and does in fact hate homosexuality and does not want you to be/practice it. He's got an undeniably shitty way of communicating this guideline and why it should be adhered to.
God may be all powerful, but he's shite at communication and education.


That may be true of the various religions, but in Christianity you have near universal agreement on the foundational tenants of the faith, both today and going back to the early church. How you get saved and what God expects you is very well understood and agreed upon by nearly all Christians. Yes, there are differences..some people think baptism is really important, some not so much. Some people think speaking in tongues is important, others not so much. These are all peripheral issues to the heart of the fatih, which is the suffering death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is no confusion in the church as a whole as to how you get saved.

It's also not that God is a bad communicator, it is people are hard of hearing because they suppress the truth:

Romans 1:18-21

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

He gives everyone more than a clue that He is there and what He expects of them, but they harden their hearts to God because of sin.

And far be it from me to defend the WBC, but they have a point about sin. This nation (world) glorifies sin, but sin is what leads people to destruction. If you glorify sin to someone, it is like hating them. Where the WBC goes wrong, and that's to put it mildly, is the negative and judgmental way they present the gospel. This is what scripture says about sharing the faith:

2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

I think they skipped over these verses when they put together their ministry. They've probably done more in recent times to turn people away from Christ than all the televangelists put together.

And here's Exhibit B: @shinyblurry: Quoting a book supposedly from a creator which is "proof" of a creator, thereby committing one of the oldest logical fallacies in history.

Universal agreement on Christianity? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You just don't pay attention very well do you.

suppressing the message? you've had 2000+ years of your message being dominant and it's only historically recently that more and more people are agreeing that the message is irrelevant.

and no Shiny, I don't read the bulk of your posts because you continue to use the bible as an authoritative source without justification. You, and neither has anyone else haven't ever given any halfway plausible reason to take it seriously. That's what happens when you take a fictional story and treat it as fact.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I get the impression that these true believers would love nothing better than to be killed, martyred and sent off to their father in heaven. I think the only chance you might have at discouraging them for being douchenozzles would be complete indifference. Throwing a tantrum is no fun if no one cares. >> ^Yogi:
You know, the reason these people feel that they are invincible is that no one has bothered to murder any of them yet. People say that's not the way to deal with them, but I can guarantee if they worried about their safety they wouldn't protest as much at all. The heads of that church are just barely keeping those people enthrall, if you make their adventures personally too costly, they will no longer protest and we will be free of them. Take one of these guys into an alley, and blow their brains out of the back of their head, and you will see a dramatic change in behavior.



Then lets be very kind and give them what they want. This isn't a movement with thousands of people behind them, they aren't fighting an injustice or standing for something people can get behind. They're annoying, they're just stupid and annoying and they can be shut up easily and no one will care.

Just kill them. Do what we do around the world. Kill them in a horrific way. This reminds me of the Jokers speech in the Dark Knight about everything going according to plan. If some Palestinians and Israelis get blown up or a Drone takes out a few children, it's not a problem because it's all according to plan. Let's bring that terror home.

>> ^VoodooV:

And here's Exhibit B: @shinyblurry: Quoting a book supposedly from a creator which is "proof" of a creator, thereby committing one of the oldest logical fallacies in history.
suppressing the message? you've had 2000+ years of your message being dominant and it's only historically recently that more and more people are agreeing that the message is irrelevant.
and no Shiny, I don't read the bulk of your posts because you continue to use the bible as an authoritative source without justification. You, and neither has anyone else haven't ever given any halfway plausible reason to take it seriously. That's what happens when you take a fictional story and treat it as fact.


I'm not sure where you get this idea that Christianity is declining. Do you know that about 80000 people give their lives to Christ every day, and that 1/3 of the entire human population professes to be Christian? It is actually the most relevant message on the planet, whether you believe in it or not.

I'm not quoting the bible to prove there is a God; God works through personal revelation. I could not prove there is a God to you, but God reveals His existence to all men. That is why you cannot say there is no God, because you have received that evidence. You can say I don't know, but God says you do know what He expects of you, and He has reinforced that and warned you many times.

Personal revelation is not evidence, moron/@shinyblurry. Your kinds of revelations seem to only apply to people of sufficiently submissive minds, which is your problem, not ours.

You and the WBC are a lot a like in that they are dependent on attention. Attention I now, finally, deprive you of.

@ignored

@VoodooV we're all accountable to God, and ignoring me isn't going to change that. I pray that you will come to know that truth very soon. God bless.

>> ^VoodooV:

Personal revelation is not evidence, moron/@shinyblurry. Your kinds of revelations seem to only apply to people of sufficiently submissive minds, which is your problem, not ours.
You and the WBC are a lot a like in that they are dependent on attention. Attention I now, finally, deprive you of.
@ignored

"If God doesn't move in you to do a thing, you don't do it"

He just denied free will therefore the premise behind original sin. Every act is god therefore there is no sin. Case closed.

I gotta say, I'm pretty surprised at how well spoken they can be and how firm they are in the understanding of their beliefs, retarded as those may be. Seriously, these guys speak their case better than the vast majority of other religious nuts. Just saying, it's like they actually give these issues a lot of thought, if you can call what goes on in their heads thought.

Don't waste your time going to priestsrapeboys.com
It's not a porn site!

I think we should file a class action lawsuit for false advertising.

Good points. Not that I agree wholeheartedly or at all, necessarily, but you seem congruent in quoting a text. Bibliography isn't stout enough for MLA standards, but I'll let it pass.



Here's what I don't get the most; out of all things you are not supposed to do according to the bible, it seems like homosexuality gets an "unfair" mention. Being that it's only condemned a few times. Now, I know if it's condemned once it might as well be condemned a thousand times, but I just feel that it's slightly coincidental that homosexuality—an act that can actually be repulsive to a non-homosexual or to a homosexual that's ashamed of his/her own feelings—that it is the one touted as the downfall of humanity. I mean there are plenty of ways to sin, why is so much emphasis placed on homosexuality. It just doesn't seem to be congruent with the amount of mentions it has.



Also, as a straight male, I've never had to make a decision in my sexuality. In fact, if anything I'd say it seems out of my control (not my actions but my tastes). So really, anecdotally, I'd say that sexuality is far from being within our conscious control. The problem, it seem, the religious have with that, is it seems to undermine parts of the bible. This, to me, is why it has become such a lynch-pin issue. To admit homosexuality is naturally occurring and against our control, would prove a part, even a small part, of the bible fallacious.

Instead of attacking homosexuality, however, I'd think that Christians would be better off focusing as much on homosexuality as is in the bible—which is very little.>> ^shinyblurry:

>> ^VoodooV:
I do have to give the WBC credit for just showing up and credit to Brand for controlling his audience enough to give them a chance to speak.
Anytime you have that chance to at least have a dialog is a win and how one learns.
This just reinforces the absurdity of believing in a god or at the very least having any immutable doctrine of god.
Even if you're at the very least a deist, this idea that you can know precisely what god wants (on BOTH sides of the issue). You don't know that god wants you to hate fags, for that matter you don't know that god wants you to love either.
Even amongst people of the same faith, you can't get anyone to agree on exactly what god is/wants. There is no authoritative source, and that includes the bible and it's multiple versions. There is no empirical evidence either way.
even if you do believe in a god, saying "I don't know" sets you free from any religion or cult like this.
Even if a god does exist and does in fact hate homosexuality and does not want you to be/practice it. He's got an undeniably shitty way of communicating this guideline and why it should be adhered to.
God may be all powerful, but he's shite at communication and education.

That may be true of the various religions, but in Christianity you have near universal agreement on the foundational tenants of the faith, both today and going back to the early church. How you get saved and what God expects you is very well understood and agreed upon by nearly all Christians. Yes, there are differences..some people think baptism is really important, some not so much. Some people think speaking in tongues is important, others not so much. These are all peripheral issues to the heart of the fatih, which is the suffering death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is no confusion in the church as a whole as to how you get saved.
It's also not that God is a bad communicator, it is people are hard of hearing because they suppress the truth:
Romans 1:18-21
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
He gives everyone more than a clue that He is there and what He expects of them, but they harden their hearts to God because of sin.
And far be it from me to defend the WBC, but they have a point about sin. This nation (world) glorifies sin, but sin is what leads people to destruction. If you glorify sin to someone, it is like hating them. Where the WBC goes wrong, and that's to put it mildly, is the negative and judgmental way they present the gospel. This is what scripture says about sharing the faith:
2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
I think they skipped over these verses when they put together their ministry. They've probably done more in recent times to turn people away from Christ than all the televangelists put together.

@Yogi - I know they are frustrating, but the whole point of our secular society is an acceptance of difference - the right to believe and say dumb shit is important.

@ Bible quoters: The Bible says homosexuals should be killed. Same for adulterers and witches (!?). Pedophilia and slavery are fine though. Not sure why you guys have such distain for other religions, you have *really* similar beliefs to the Taleban.

Homosexuality is just the latest thing that people are discovering that religion is wrong on. That's the only reason they're obsessed with it. It's yet another reminder to them that religious views are becoming more and more irrelevant and they're losing their power over people.

Not even 50 years ago, they probably didn't give it a second thought it because back then, the rest of the world agreed with this view. The whole world was pretty deep in the closet and even people who weren't religious shared the same view.

Times change. We don't think the world is flat anymore either.

>> ^Yogi:

You know, the reason these people feel that they are invincible is that no one has bothered to murder any of them yet. People say that's not the way to deal with them, but I can guarantee if they worried about their safety they wouldn't protest as much at all. The heads of that church are just barely keeping those people enthrall, if you make their adventures personally too costly, they will no longer protest and we will be free of them. Take one of these guys into an alley, and blow their brains out of the back of their head, and you will see a dramatic change in behavior.


I guess it wouldn't really matter, metaphysically-speaking, as most of us (according to Westboro Douche Nozzles) are going to hell anyway.

Still, my morals don't originate from religion or the Bible, so I can't condone murder. I could get behind an overwhelming paintball blitzkrieg at one of their protests, however.

>> ^Fletch:

I could get behind an overwhelming paintball blitzkrieg at one of their protests, however.


You win this thread.

I would love to do that. Unfortunately, I'm in NZ and the nearest thing we have to these guys is the DensityDestiny Church, and they're pretty second rate as fundamentalist nutjobs go.

>> ^Yogi:

You know, the reason these people feel that they are invincible is that no one has bothered to murder any of them yet. People say that's not the way to deal with them, but I can guarantee if they worried about their safety they wouldn't protest as much at all. The heads of that church are just barely keeping those people enthrall, if you make their adventures personally too costly, they will no longer protest and we will be free of them. Take one of these guys into an alley, and blow their brains out of the back of their head, and you will see a dramatic change in behavior.


Yogi, I am a Marine Corps Iraq veteran who happened to instruct other Marines in marksmanship.
I am also a native of Kansas who thinks the WBC (along with our education board, but that's another matter...) is an embarrassment to all Kansans.
My girlfriend is from Topeka and lived not far from their compound.
I won't deny the temptation to use my skills and the intelligence she could provide to conduct a midnight raid and rid the world of these hatemongers.

But when I think through the moral implications of this, taking another's life for their extreme utilization of the freedom of speech which I hold dear just doesn't sit right.

It's easy to be cynical and support the murder of strangers from your armchair.
It's not so simple when you are in the position to do it.

Nobody begs the question better than a Christian.

>> ^SpaceOddity:

>> ^Yogi:
You know, the reason these people feel that they are invincible is that no one has bothered to murder any of them yet. People say that's not the way to deal with them, but I can guarantee if they worried about their safety they wouldn't protest as much at all. The heads of that church are just barely keeping those people enthrall, if you make their adventures personally too costly, they will no longer protest and we will be free of them. Take one of these guys into an alley, and blow their brains out of the back of their head, and you will see a dramatic change in behavior.

Yogi, I am a Marine Corps Iraq veteran who happened to instruct other Marines in marksmanship.
I am also a native of Kansas who thinks the WBC (along with our education board, but that's another matter...) is an embarrassment to all Kansans.
My girlfriend is from Topeka and lived not far from their compound.
I won't deny the temptation to use my skills and the intelligence she could provide to conduct a midnight raid and rid the world of these hatemongers.
But when I think through the moral implications of this, taking another's life for their extreme utilization of the freedom of speech which I hold dear just doesn't sit right.
It's easy to be cynical and support the murder of strangers from your armchair.
It's not so simple when you are in the position to do it.


As the son and grandson of Marines I understand where you are coming from. Here's what I'm suggesting though, we are American citizens responsible for a lot of blood on our hands. Right now Israel is bombing the living shit out of Gaza killing civilians as well as children. They are only able to do this with our funding and selling them arms. I'm just saying if we're responsible for all these horrific deaths around the world, why not just a few more here at home? What I'm saying is we don't have the morality to say that it's not right because we do it so often, lets use it as a strength. We know where they are, lets get rid of them...it's only fair.

I'm waiting for the rapture even though I don't believe and know it's based on a novel, just so when these guys try to cross into heaven, Jesus can stand there and go 'Ok next? Woh woh.. no you guys are supposed to be in the 'other' line'.

I flipping love that phrase. Definitely going to be stealing that for future use.>> ^Fletch:

>>

overwhelming paintball blitzkrieg

I have a feeling that there isn't going to be much of a line. In fact, waiting in line sucks...definitely not a part of my heaven. Hell, yes...but that's par-for-the-course.>> ^Xaielao:

I'm waiting for the rapture even though I don't believe and know it's based on a novel, just so when these guys try to cross into heaven, Jesus can stand there and go 'Ok next? Woh woh.. no you guys are supposed to be in the 'other' line'.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^Fletch:
I could get behind an overwhelming paintball blitzkrieg at one of their protests, however.

You win this thread.
I would love to do that. Unfortunately, I'm in NZ and the nearest thing we have to these guys is the DensityDestiny Church, and they're pretty second rate as fundamentalist nutjobs go.


Dismissing them as second-rate fundamentalist nutjobs is like being ok with someone because they're only a little bit Nazi.

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