Skater punched by kid's mom

That must have hurt!Ouch!!
Procrastinatronsays...

I'm with neither of them, because shit happens, but... seriously, that area looked wide open and the kid came straight at him. Couldn't either the skater or the guy with camera have, y'know, just looked in the direction they were moving at some point? If you're riding your skateboard in a public space and you've got your eyes locked on your feet because you totes want to stick that ollie (or whatever the fuck us crazy kids are calling it these days), accidents like this one are just waiting to happen.

VoodooVsays...

It's much more convenient to stereotype all skaters as thugs than to acknowledge your kid might have been being a typical dumb kid running where he shouldn't have.

smoomansays...

ok, so at the sound of her son wailing, she casually strolls over from 60 miles away, completely ignores her son, and assaults a guy over what was clearly an accident which, presumably, resulted in no serious injuries to either party. I'm calling it: mother of the year

the skater was more concerned with the child than the mother! if i was that little boy, i'd run away... silly bimbo

smoomansays...

the skater was in the middle of a flip trick when he ran into the kid. its not exactly something you do with your eyes closed. arguably unavoidable from his standpoint.

i wanna know why she was in the next county when it happened and then took her sweet ass time getting there, and then utterly disregards her child so she could hit that skater cuz it was the kids birthday (isnt that what she said?)

Procrastinatronsaid:

I'm with neither of them, because shit happens, but... seriously, that area looked wide open and the kid came straight at him. Couldn't either the skater or the guy with camera have, y'know, just looked in the direction they were moving at some point? If you're riding your skateboard in a public space and you've got your eyes locked on your feet because you totes want to stick that ollie (or whatever the fuck us crazy kids are calling it these days), accidents like this one are just waiting to happen.

Procrastinatronsays...

Yeah, I love the way she sort of just steps over her ailing kid so she can hit the guy. I would probably have focused on making sure the kid was all right.

smoomansaid:

the skater was in the middle of a flip trick when he ran into the kid. its not exactly something you do with your eyes closed. arguably unavoidable from his standpoint.

i wanna know why she was in the next county when it happened and then took her sweet ass time getting there, and then utterly disregards her child so she could hit that skater cuz it was the kids birthday (isnt that what she said?)

chingalerasays...

Kid was in the zone under mom's care, assaulted the skater, reaction may be predictable, understandable, but sucked-ass. She would only get a pass from here if she exhibited remorse for her actions a few ticks later...after I stayed to make sure her kid was ok and that she wasn't on her fucking cell phone...'Cause if she was less tha 3 minutes after this happened, I'd be smashin' it. So yeah. There ya go ya dumb bitch, yeah. Take yer whiny, no-skatin' brat and yo ugly-ass to a "filled" pool or something why don't yas?!

Ryjkyjsays...

I would hope a skater could take a punch to the face after almost killing someone's kid in a fucking park where kids are supposed to be able to play without their parents hovering over them every fucking second.

I thought skaters were supposed to be tough. Apparently not as much as people who like to talk tough on the internet.

Yogisays...

Hark, an unreasonable, unthinking douchenozzel weighs in. Let's all clam up and listen, he'll tell us how to act!

Ryjkyjsaid:

I would hope a skater could take a punch to the face after almost killing someone's kid in a fucking park where kids are supposed to be able to play without their parents hovering over them every fucking second.

I thought skaters were supposed to be tough. Apparently not as much as people who like to talk tough on the internet.

chingalerasays...

Yeah man, sorry @Ryjkyj if I riled yer tender sensibilities mate but her poor attention and timing does not necessitate my going to jail for injury to a child because yer an over-reacting mother and a worse fucking citizen. "Almost killed" inna...ahem, "SKATE PARK!" Kinna different than yer average, let the kids sit in the middle of the sandbox sorta place. Oh, and wear your safety gear, I hear the pavements' pretty hard when it comes-up fast.

Uhh, Mom's a dumb ass and over-reacted, skater 1, mom 0

shatterdrosesays...

I'm a cyclist, both on-road and off. One day, while on a trail no less, I was coming down a really steep hill hitting around 30MPH plus. I'm on the right side, no one else is around, it's the middle of the day etc. Near the bottom, some kid, who was on the other side of the trail by himself on the bench, gets up, runs across and stands directly in front of me.

Lucky for him I have better reactions but I certainly could have killed the kid if I hit him. In regards to the skater, I understand his side a lot better because I've had this happen to me. Given his level of concern for the boy, I'm pretty sure before doing the tricks he checked to make sure no one was in his path. And then suddenly, errant child out of no where.

Also, having 2 daughters I can also say she's a shitty ass mother. I see stuff like this happen often when the parents are completely off in lala land because they don't want to care for their child and "want a break". And the mother comes up saying "you hit him on his birthday?!" As if that makes any difference except, WHY THE HELL DID IT TAKE YOU SO LONG? She causally walked over the from the pavilion, which her son was running away from and never once checked on her child. I have become Flash Gordon the moment I hear either one of my kids get hurt. I have leapt over benches, tables and other people.

So yeah, I agree, mother of the year and I hope that kid grows up and finds someone who actually cares about him.

Lannsays...

Skaters are just people who enjoy a sport. A skate park is a TERRIBLE place to let a tiny kid run around. It's like letting them run around on a bike lane.

Edit: I didn't realize it was a normal park. Knowing that, the skater did make a dumb ass mistake.

I grew up in an area where we didn't have a skate park but we always went to a business during their closed hours (the ones that allowed it) or buildings that had been abandoned. In most towns, places like malls and public parks would get the cops called instantly so I don't see why they even tried skating there.

Ryjkyjsaid:

I would hope a skater could take a punch to the face after almost killing someone's kid in a fucking park where kids are supposed to be able to play without their parents hovering over them every fucking second.

I thought skaters were supposed to be tough. Apparently not as much as people who like to talk tough on the internet.

Ryjkyjsays...

Chi Chi, I don't think you've ever offended me even once. Most of the time, I can't even understand what you're saying.

Look I'm not advocating violence: it's pretty ridiculous that the mom in this vid walks right past her son to confront the guy. I can't imagine doing that but I can imagine going into a fevered blood-rage over someone hitting my kid with a skateboard while he's playing in a park. (I also can't imagine what makes you guys think this is a skate park?)

All I'm saying is that, regardless of the fact that it was an accident, if you hit a toddler playing in a park, it's your fault (speaking of trying to find blame in others). And that, just maybe, getting punched in the face isn't such an incredible reaction to expect in that situation.

What I love are the comments about charging the mom with assault or smacking her back with a skateboard after she just watched you smash her baby's head into the pavement. Yeah, that's definitely the appropriate reaction. Congratulations, you share the sensibilities of every twelve-year-old who commented on Youtube.

I'm willing to bet that the skater brushed it off and thought roughly, "oh good, now we can call it even."

Not so much though with Internet Tough Guys.

lucky760says...

How far away the mother was and what a terrible mother she is is irrelevant. Even if she was Mother of the Year she still wouldn't have been hovering over her son with a leash she could use to yank him out of the way to safety.

The bottom line is the skater was a douchecock for being so careless as to potentially seriously injure that defenseless, innocent little boy. Yes, smashing someone's head to the concrete can be fatal. It's very common for someone to impact the ground with their head and die from the resulting brain trauma. (It happened to a Marine in the news last week. It happened to a guy I knew in high school. It happened to Natasha Richardson. It almost happened to Larry Miller, but they saved him by removing his skull.)

For his fucking selfishness and ignorance toward people around him he deserves more than a single punch to the face. It should be beaten into him to watch out for bystanders and especially small children when practicing his poser-ass skateboard tricks.

Of course, he, like many people commenting here, surely feels he didn't do anything wrong, so I'm sure he'll take nothing away from the incident except that some little asshole kiddie got in the way, causing himself to get an owie, and his low-life absentee psychopathic mother is just a raving lunatic.

lucky760says...

Okay- it looked to me like it was just a park, but if that's actually a skate park where a parent should expect distracted skaters to be flying around, I feel a bit less passionate than I sound ^above and that it is more the mother's responsibility to keep her child out of harm's way and to teach him to stay out of the path of approaching posers.

Context makes all the difference.

Ryjkyjsays...

Below is a link to the world's largest skate park, SMP in Shanghai:

http://www.skateboardingmagazine.com/the-worlds-largest-skatepark-new-jiangwan-city-shanghai-china/

Notice any difference between it and the park in the video? Like how it looks smaller?

Did you notice any other differences? Are there trees growing in the middle of it? What about open seems in the concrete for wheels to click on? People strolling through casually as if they're on their way to work? Garbage cans?

newtboyjokingly says...

I would hope a poster could take a figurative punch to the face after claiming knocking down a child is 'almost killing them' on a fucking board where thinking people congregate. I thought posters were supposed to be tough, apparently not on the internet.

eric3579said:

Maybe you can take it down a notch. Name calling is unnecessary.

newtboysays...

Yes, you are advocating violence because you are stating clearly that it's acceptable and expected that when a child falls someone else must be at fault and should expect to be punished violently and should accept the attack. Hmmmm.
I would say getting hit back in the face with a skateboard isn't an incredible reaction to being shoved hard and sucker punched in the face.
What I love are idiots that want to excuse this out of control woman because she's a woman or a mother, neither gives her any excuse to hit someone. Period. Being a mother is one big reason she should NOT act the fool like this.
The child's head didn't hit the ground, he was not holding his head or bleeding. The child's mother was not interested in whether the child was injured, she was interested in getting back at the person who disrespected her by having an accident with her child "on his birthday".
When an unwatched toddler runs into someone else (as happened here) it is the child's fault, at least in part. You seem to want only the adult white male to be able to control himself and accept responsibility while women and children get a free pass. That's asinine.
If you hit first, you should be the one prosecuted. That simple. After the first hit, it's ON. If you start a fight and then loose, that's all on you for starting the fight. When you hit someone because they 'dissed' you or your son (and I'm saying she's angry not because her son was hurt, but because she was disrespected, which seems obvious by her actions), YOU are the one in the wrong.

Ryjkyjsaid:

Chi Chi, I don't think you've ever offended me even once. Most of the time, I can't even understand what you're saying.

Look I'm not advocating violence: it's pretty ridiculous that the mom in this vid walks right past her son to confront the guy. I can't imagine doing that but I can imagine going into a fevered blood-rage over someone hitting my kid with a skateboard while he's playing in a park. (I also can't imagine what makes you guys think this is a skate park?)

All I'm saying is that, regardless of the fact that it was an accident, if you hit a toddler playing in a park, it's your fault (speaking of trying to find blame in others). And that, just maybe, getting punched in the face isn't such an incredible reaction to expect in that situation.

What I love are the comments about charging the mom with assault or smacking her back with a skateboard after she just watched you smash her baby's head into the pavement. Yeah, that's definitely the appropriate reaction. Congratulations, you share the sensibilities of every twelve-year-old who commented on Youtube.

I'm willing to bet that the skater brushed it off and thought roughly, "oh good, now we can call it even."

Not so much though with Internet Tough Guys.

Ryjkyjsays...

Wow, I hate to even justify your ramblings with a response but I want to make something clear:

I am not advocating violence or trying to justify her action. I never said that lady was in the right for hitting the guy, only that it's not such a crazy reaction to expect. Nor would hitting her back be so crazy... if the guy didn't just run over her child. Sure he might be legally justified but he'd also be a dickhead.

I don't know what video you were watching but the kid's head clearly hit the ground in the one I saw. And I know you're probably not a doctor, but a head injury that doesn't bleed is exactly the kind you don't want.

As for your making the issue about race and sex, I'm not even sure where you're coming from. I'd be really interested to know how you determined this man's race from a grainy youtube video. And for that matter, as a white male, I'd be interested to know why you even think it's important at all.

I'd also be interested to know how you came up with the crazy idea that skateboarding into a toddler who's running around in a park is partly the toddler's fault. And again with the "unwatched toddler" bullshit. Lucky put it pretty eloquently above.

Oh, and while we're on the subject: you might be surprised to know that in many places in the US, if someone assaults you, even if they sucker-punch you, and you escalate the situation by bringing in a weapon, you can get in just as much, if not more trouble than your assailant. I know a lot of people like to believe otherwise but you'd probably be surprised at the amount of people who get in trouble for that.

Esoogsays...

This bitch needs to be dealt with. It was an accident and she assaulted the guy. Plain and simple. Her kid is running in a skate park, and the skater is riding, neither see each other, and accidents happen. But her reaction is independent from anything else, and she needs to be charged with assault.

newtboysays...

To me it's one or the other...either it's justifiable violence or it's crazy to think it's justifiable violence. To me, using violence to answer an obvious accident is just plain crazy.
I watched in full screen and could not see the head touch ground, and never once noticed the child putting it's hands up to it's head, which would be the normal reaction if it's head were hurt. I mentioned it was not bleeding to indicate there didn't seem to be even a superficial skin wound, not to indicate that no blood means no injury.
Well, I indicated race because they were of different races, and sex because they were different sexes, and age because they were different ages, and for some reason it seems you expected different levels of responsibility from them. Perhaps it was not for any of these reasons, but I think they all come into play in your apparent theory that have differing levels of responsibility for their own actions, certainly sex seems to for most people.
Somehow my first post in this thread disappeared, I explained there that I thought they had about a 60/40 split with the larger responsibility going to the adult skater because NEITHER was looking where they were going, perhaps even 70/30. My point is that the child was not looking where it was running either, and was not being supervised by anyone that was watching out either, and it bears SOME responsibility. It could just as easily been hit by a bicycle that likely would have had every right to be there the way it ran diagonally across the open area, and I feel the reaction would have been identical.
I am not surprised that the law is different in many places. In many states, if someone assaults you and you have something in your hands, you may use it to defend yourself. It wouldn't be 'bringing in a weapon' because you had it in hand when attacked. If you pick something up, it would likely be different. In almost every state, if the attacker is still moving towards you (as she was at the end) you may use whatever force needed to stop the attack. In some states, it seems you may arm yourself before being touched and use deadly force to stop the advance if you fear attack. Once the attack/advance is halted, I think that all changes almost everywhere.
On a moral basis, my feeling is if they sucker punch you in the face, you should get one free shot back at them, even if they turn and run. I'm not sexist or ageist and try to not be racist, so none of those things should enter into who hit who.
edit: and you are correct, I just guessed the skater was white based on his appearance, accent, and the fact that he's skating. I may well be wrong about that (and many other things).

Ryjkyjsaid:

Wow, I hate to even justify your ramblings with a response but I want to make something clear:

I am not advocating violence or trying to justify her action. I never said that lady was in the right for hitting the guy, only that it's not such a crazy reaction to expect. Nor would hitting her back be so crazy... if the guy didn't just run over her child. Sure he might be legally justified but he'd also be a dickhead.

I don't know what video you were watching but the kid's head clearly hit the ground in the one I saw. And I know you're probably not a doctor, but a head injury that doesn't bleed is exactly the kind you don't want.

As for your making the issue about race and sex, I'm not even sure where you're coming from. I'd be really interested to know how you determined this man's race from a grainy youtube video. And for that matter, as a white male, I'd be interested to know why you even think it's important at all.

I'd also be interested to know how you came up with the crazy idea that skateboarding into a toddler who's running around in a park is partly the toddler's fault. And again with the "unwatched toddler" bullshit. Lucky put it pretty eloquently above.

Oh, and while we're on the subject: you might be surprised to know that in many places in the US, if someone assaults you, even if they sucker-punch you, and you escalate the situation by bringing in a weapon, you can get in just as much, if not more trouble than your assailent. I know a lot of people like to believe otherwise but you'd probably surprised at the amount of people who get in trouble for that.

newtboysays...

After close viewing of the video, I can now see it IS a skate park...look at :29, and you can see in the background 2 skate rails set up in the open area...so now I put the fault at 70/30 with the child/parent 70% at fault...so perhaps the skater should have sucker punched the mother/child for causing the accident?!?

newtboysays...

Please expound on which assumptions.
I saw plenty of context with which to call out the out of control "mother" for being out of control and irresponsible.

Januarisaid:

Absolutely fucking ridiculous the idiotic assumptions being made from this very brief video with a lot of context left out...

VoodooVsays...

responding to an accident regardless as to who is at "fault" with violence is unacceptable.

I don't understand why this is even a discussion. You can sympathize with either party, it doesn't matter. Were I feeling draconian, I'd lock her ass up for assault. The skater did exactly the right thing by backing away on her FIRST assault of just pushing him. Or what? should he have punched her right back?

Unless you think you can somehow prove the skater intended to knock the kid over, AND can demonstrate how the parent would also know that it was premeditated, then her response is completely unjustified.

Ryjkyjsays...

It's the skate area of Cannery Park in Hayward, CA.

http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/N/NZ/fark_NZEIY70jIKl1CZ-TDDRkBtXR-yw.jpg?t=WzrbMzHluSyM5Tl3PxheSA&f=1377489600

You can see in the pic that the kid wasn't running in the area where you are supposed to skate. You can see that he was going right toward a set of picnic tables. You can even see the rails (coping) attached to the concrete in one area that aren't there in the area where the kid was running. I'll give you that he's pretty close but it's still entirely on the skater.

I just gonna say one last time that I'm not trying to justify the actions of this kid's mother. I'm just saying that, bottom line, hitting the kid was absolutely the skater's fault.

He was a nice guy and apologized, he didn't deserve to be hit. That said, I think her reaction was pretty normal. Most people wouldn't have acted on it but I'm really amazed at how surprised so many people are.

Is the kid alright? Probably. But I see that guy barrel into him and just can't imagine how fucking worried and angry I would be if it were my own son.

braindonutsays...

Well, the only thing that makes me think the mother was a douchebag is that she walked up slowly, yelling at the dude.

The other lady acted much more like a caring, attentive parent. She ran up, checked on the kid, made sure he was ok, then started talking to the dude.

The mother walked up slowly, yelling at the dude...

If that was my kid, I'd be running over. I'd make sure he was ok. Then maybe yell at the guy.

And, fwiw, being that I saw rails in the background where that kid was knocked over, it does seem like the dude was in the skating area...

If I were taking my little kid to the park, I wouldn't let him wander near the skate park unless I was paying close attention to him. He was all by himself out there - accident waiting to happen.

It's shitty when accidents happen. But clearly that mom is just an angry, shitty person.

Velocity5says...

A kid running into the path of a moving object should be glad it wasn't a bicyclist or car.

The skater wrongly assumed she had the same cultural assumptions as himself.

He should have had his guard up early on... use the skateboard to block. She only attacked because she could see he wasn't prepared.

chingalerasays...

@Ryjkyj-Thanks for the research, and Hayward,California explains a lot... What a shithole that place is...San Leandro, Freemont...yucky east bay towns with plenty'o gang-banger action types....

Translation: Your research on the location and particular type of public space has been quite helpful, and serves for myself,to clarify the motivation of the antagonist in this segment: I can personally attest to the roguish character of some of the more colorful examples in The Freemont, Hayward, and San Leandro cities in the "east bay" area of Alemeda county, United States, your average poor,working-class with no small element of infamous "member's only" organizations.

How's the vernacular now, judgey? More to yer particular frame of deference?? (busting your balls)

Ryjkyjsays...

That was one of the funniest things I've read all month.

chingalerasaid:

@Ryjkyj-Thanks for the research, and Hayward,California explains a lot... What a shithole that place is...San Leandro, Freemont...yucky east bay towns with plenty'o gang-banger action types....

Translation: Your research on the location and particular type of public space has been quite helpful, and serves for myself,to clarify the motivation of the antagonist in this segment: I can personally attest to the roguish character of some of the more colorful examples in The Freemont, Hayward, and San Leandro cities in the "east bay" area of Alemeda county, United States, your average poor,working-class with no small element of infamous "member's only" organizations.

How's the vernacular now, judgey? More to yer particular frame of deference?? (busting your balls)

newtboysays...

I can't see what you claim at all...in most 'skate parks' you are allowed to skate anywhere in the park...and it certainly looks to me like they have the entire area set up for skating. He was NOT headed towards picnic tables, those are blocks set up for skating. He is running AWAY from the table area straight towards the street (on the map/link eric3579 found, thank you). You can see the tables clearly, they have benches attached. From the pavilion Mom comes from (and we all assume the child too), the child is over 1/2 way to the street, where he may have ended up if the skater didn't stop him. That skater just saved that kids life, and got sucker punched for it!! ;-}
I also completely disagree that under all circumstances it's the older person's responsibility to avoid the free running toddler bolting out from behind an object directly into your path. I don't understand why you give the toddler a free pass just because he's young...that's why he needed supervision. That's why I say it was nearly entirely the MOTHER'S fault, for not watching her child in a dangerous area, then blaming others when something expected happens.
When you say things like 'her reaction was pretty normal' it implies clearly that it's acceptable. It was not acceptable in any way.
edit: A better way to say it might be 'her reaction was unacceptable, but understandable from someone with no self control'.
After the first punch/shove, he should have raised the board as a shield, then swung it like a club when she kept coming. There's no excuse for her behavior.
I am often surprised at the lack of self control many have, and the excuses others want to make for their inexcusable behavior.
If you're the type of irresponsible parent that lets their child run free unattended and unwatched in dangerous public areas where others are doing dangerous things in a manner and place prescribed by law and you get violently angry at others when the predictable happens, I think you're an idiot and should have your child taken from you. That's a typical problem with most parents, reason and responsibility goes out the window when it comes to their child.

Ryjkyjsaid:

It's the skate area of Cannery Park in Hayward, CA.

http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/N/NZ/fark_NZEIY70jIKl1CZ-TDDRkBtXR-yw.jpg?t=WzrbMzHluSyM5Tl3PxheSA&f=1377489600

You can see in the pic that the kid wasn't running in the area where you are supposed to skate. You can see that he was going right toward a set of picnic tables. You can even see the rails (coping) attached to the concrete in one area that aren't there in the area where the kid was running. I'll give you that he's pretty close but it's still entirely on the skater.

I just gonna say one last time that I'm not trying to justify the actions of this kid's mother. I'm just saying that, bottom line, hitting the kid was absolutely the skater's fault.

He was a nice guy and apologized, he didn't deserve to be hit. That said, I think her reaction was pretty normal. Most people wouldn't have acted on it but I'm really amazed at how surprised so many people are.

Is the kid alright? Probably. But I see that guy barrel into him and just can't imagine how fucking worried and angry I would be if it were my own son.

newtboysays...

Mom only learns a lesson if prosecuted, until then she learns nothing.
Kid learned that mom is an insane hothead that blames others for her lack of concern and control over her own children and that he had better look out for himself, because she won't.
Skater learned what lesson? That using a park for it's intended purpose may get you assaulted, or when approached by a yelling crazy person you should protect yourself with what you have in hand?

shagen454said:

Well, unfortunately - I think the little kid learned a tough life lesson and so did the mother and the skater. Everyone loses!

Ryjkyjsays...

OK, OK... I know I'm talking to a person who can't see a kid's head hit the ground in a video where a kid's head clearly hits the ground but please do me one favor:

Look at the park layout from google maps that Eric posted above. Really zoom in and get a good look. What I see is a skate park on the left with some soccer fields further on and a parking lot on the right. In between, there's a narrow pathway leading from one part of the park to the other. That's why we see all those people walking through there in the video. They're not walking through the skate park, they're walking along a path.

Now, by your rational, this guy is allowed to skate wherever he wants in this park with no responsibility for running into anyone who happens to be walking through(since a toddler runs at about a normal person's walking speed, maybe a little faster). So I'm curious, where do you draw the line? Is this guy literally allowed to rail slide up the play equipment? Slalom between the swings? I really want to know where you think the line is. Are you really saying that the only path from one end of this overall park to the other runs right through the skate park portion of it? And everybody that walks through is supposed to expect skaters that aren't watching where they're going?

I only get so specific because a skateboard is a vehicle. You can ride one in many public places and I'm all for that but you bear a responsibility for hitting someone just like you would on a bike or in a car.

And I wasn't saying that the kid was running towards the picnic tables. I was saying that the skater was heading toward them, which it seems you agree with since you said the kid was running away from them. (BTW: Where do you get the idea that this kid "barrels out from behind an object?" What object?)

What it looks like to me is that this kid and his mom were coming from the north end, maybe the kid gets excited running to the play equipment on the south end when a guy, skating down the middle of the only path through the park, runs right fucking into him with a skateboard.

And the first reaction everyone has is to blame the kid and his mom? For running down a path through a park?

Ryjkyjsays...

Now, I don't know why I have so much trouble explaining this but I still really want you to understand that I'm not excusing this mom's actions.

The only thing I'm saying by suggesting her reaction is normal is this:

If I was skating through a public park, not watching where I was going, and I ran directly into someone's kid with a fucking weapon made of wood and steel, knocking them to the ground (except of course for their gravity-defying head), the first thing I would expect is for that parent to come at me.

I would be apologetic, just like the guy in the video because I would know it was ENTIRELY my fault. What I wouldn't do is try to explain to them that I actually bear only seventy-percent of the responsibility and that they shouldn't let their kid stray out of arm's reach in a park.

Sure, I would defend myself because I wouldn't expect that they were just going to immediately forgive me and think only about their shortcomings as a parent. I would defend myself because I still have the right to be safe in a public place, regardless of my actions.

What would I not do though? I wouldn't hit them with a fucking skateboard. Especially not the one I just hurt their child with. I wouldn't do that because I would know the only excuse I had was the petulant, middle-school refrain of "she hit me first!" I wouldn't do that because it would escalate the situation even more and I don't like to use violence to solve my problems. I'm perfectly capable of defending myself without hitting someone's irrational mother.

And then there's the question of pressing charges. Which for some reason to me is just laughable.

Was the lady wrong? Yeah, absolutely. Was she crazy? Maybe temporarily, it might have had something to do with someone running into her kid. I know a lot of people might not have acted the way she did (I would certainly have been more concerned about my own kid than the skater) but I know a lot of people might have FELT the way she did.

I just still don't think her actions were so far from what a person could expect after being a dumbass and skating directly into a little kid.

Maybe I don't get it because I'm an overprotective, irrational parent. Judging by how many times you referred to the child in the video as "it" however, maybe I just shouldn't expect you to understand my side either.

scheherazadesays...

Both were heading straight at each other.
Both were coming from straight ahead of each other.
Skater could have looked forward.
Kid could have looked forward.
Either one could have avoided the other.
Neither one bothered to watch for obstacles ahead.
Everything the mom said about the skater, also applies to her son.
The skater ended up a bumbass.
You can excuse dumbass behavior on part of a kid, because he's a kid - but he's still a dumbass too.
Both ended up as equal dumbasses.
And that's fine. Life happens.

Here's a diagram of their paths :

(skater)---------> X <----------(kid)

In the future, the skater will be a little more mindful of his path.
In the future, the kid will be a little more mindful of his path.
Looks like everything worked out fine.

Parents can't be expected to be attached to a kid like a parasite. The mom doesn't have to be on the kid like stink on an a-hole.
That said, typical carnal reaction.

-scheherazade

newtboysays...

I'll start by apologizing for the long reply...
I looked as closely as possible in HD fullscreen and on my computer the head never touched ground. More to the point, the child never reached for his head. Either way the point is moot, the mother never once even glances at the child to determine injury.
I did look closely, down to street view, at the whole park, and what I saw was it seems that in the non-skate areas there is a different texture to the ground (around the pool, playground area, etc.)
From my viewpoint (and I admit I could not read the park rules, I tried from every angle) the rest of the park is built specifically for skating, and has obstacles designed to skate on that have clear marks on them that that's what they are used for. The area you think is the only skate area has ramps in and out to skate on, so perhaps I'm wrong, but the implication of that design is you can skate everywhere. If I'm wrong in that guess, I'm wrong. There's no way to tell for certain from what I can see. That said, I draw the line at the areas designated for skating, and not in the areas designated for other things. As I've repeatedly stated, the skater bears some responsibility for not looking in a public place, but mom bears far more for allowing child to run free in a public skate park, especially when he was headed straight towards the street with no one watching until he screams.
I do admit from what I see this park is not well designed, as there is not a clear separation of the skate area and non-skate area, or a path from one non-skate area to another. If all the areas besides the small rail/bowl area are not for skating, they certainly should not have built it filled with skating obstacles and ramps, knowing that skaters will skate them.
I guess I misunderstood, yes, he was skating towards the picnic tables, but was no where near them at the end of his run, so who's to say he didn't plan on turning left into the rail area or stopping after the kick flip? The child was headed for the street, agreed?
Barrels out from behind an object is what children often do, and why they get hit, they don't know to look first.
Kid's mom is not seen until after the incident, then walking from the pavilion, she was not with or watching her child from every thing I see.
My reaction to blame the mom is because she was not watching her child and went off because that inattentiveness led to an accident, and she was the one responsible for her child's safety, no one else.

second post reply starts here:
OK, that's clearer that you don't excuse her actions. I accept and agree with that.
Expect the parent to be upset, absolutely. Expect them to be aggressive, not really but many people go that way. Expect them to be violent to address their own parental failings, not at all. Expect them to understand they (not the skater) is 70%+ at fault for not supervising a toddler? Never, parents rarely accept their failings and almost always deflect responsibility.
I feel you miss-state the situation. I say he should have hit her to stop her advance, not if she stopped, at the end of the video, she's still attacking. That's self defense, and using the skateboard in that capacity seems fine to me. We may disagree, people are different.
I think you hit the nail on the head in your last paragraph...we just don't see it the same way. I feel like many parents have a natural defense mechanism of responsibility deflection, and I don't accept any responsibility for other's children, and would never expect them to take it for mine. I understand the mindset of parents that believe we all have a responsibility to take care of their children, I just disagree with it.
I also disagree that age is an excuse, if the child is too young to watch out for itself, it's 100% the parent's responsibility in my eyes, not mine.

And then there's the new idea that this discussion is all about a faked video. If true, the parent is still irresponsible for letting their child be run into on concrete where he may well have broken his skull, but maybe not completely out of control crazy violent.
Again, apologies for the long post.

Ryjkyjsaid:

OK, OK... I know I'm talking to a person who can't see a kid's head hit the ground in a video where a kid's head clearly hits the ground but please do me one favor:

Look at the park layout from google maps that Eric posted above. Really zoom in and get a good look. What I see is a skate park on the left with some soccer fields further on and a parking lot on the right. In between, there's a narrow pathway leading from one part of the park to the other. That's why we see all those people walking through there in the video. They're not walking through the skate park, they're walking along a path.

Now, by your rational, this guy is allowed to skate wherever he wants in this park with no responsibility for running into anyone who happens to be walking through(since a toddler runs at about a normal person's walking speed, maybe a little faster). So I'm curious, where do you draw the line? Is this guy literally allowed to rail slide up the play equipment? Slalom between the swings? I really want to know where you think the line is. Are you really saying that the only path from one end of this overall park to the other runs right through the skate park portion of it? And everybody that walks through is supposed to expect skaters that aren't watching where they're going?

I only get so specific because a skateboard is a vehicle. You can ride one in many public places and I'm all for that but you bear a responsibility for hitting someone just like you would on a bike or in a car.

And I wasn't saying that the kid was running towards the picnic tables. I was saying that the skater was heading toward them, which it seems you agree with since you said the kid was running away from them. (BTW: Where do you get the idea that this kid "barrels out from behind an object?" What object?)

What it looks like to me is that this kid and his mom were coming from the north end, maybe the kid gets excited running to the play equipment on the south end when a guy, skating down the middle of the only path through the park, runs right fucking into him with a skateboard.

And the first reaction everyone has is to blame the kid and his mom? For running down a path through a park?

newtboysays...

Interesting, but I could find no description. What led you to the conclusion this was staged rather than just included in the video?

carnivoroussaid:

A note to all the silly commenters whose panties are in a twist:

Has anyone other than myself even bothered to read the youtube description and come to the conclusion that this video is fake?

this clip is from Leland Goldberg's part in "Warm Gravy"
a skateboarding video by Daniel Miranda
http://warmgravy.bigcartel.com/product/warm-gravy-skate-video

skater gets punched for accidentally running into little boy. (on his birthday)

deathcowsays...

I find no room for debate in situations like this - remove this video, send all people involved to the destruction booth, including any witnesses who were present, as well as anyone who has seen this video. Utopia does not suffer chinks in our armor.

xxovercastxxsays...

It seems the arguing is sufficiently covered here, so I'll just say that this video is definitely not for kids.

I don't think this is a "win", either, but it's arguable (see above) and the channel is retarded, so fuck it.

*nochannel *femme *wtf *ftw

carnivoroussays...

My theory is that this clip was created to generate hype for a video that is being sold for profit. Can you think of a better way to boost video sales for an otherwise ordinary skate video? To avoid legal action, a video release form would have to be signed by this angry woman with the powerful right hook. Would she give permission to use footage of both herself and her son if this were a genuine incident? I suspect a clever scam, but I've always been the distrustful sort.

newtboysaid:

Interesting, but I could find no description. What led you to the conclusion this was staged rather than just included in the video?

Ryjkyjsays...

Jesus Christ. I wish I knew why I cared about this so much but it's late and I'm tired so, fuck it:

The fucking kid's head is laying on the ground for three fucking seconds after he falls. You're fucking delusional.

There is no HD res for this video. Are you trolling or are you an idiot?

The concrete is pretty standard throughout the park with a few exceptions. That's your argument? This whole thing is a skate park from the parking lot at the south to the street at the north? Seriously?

Obstacles (in this case concrete benches throughout the entire park) that have marks on them do not qualify as a skate park. There are marks from skating on every bench, rail and staircase in my entire city. I assure you, the whole city is not a skate park because there are marks.

There are no ramps out of the skate area. If you can't see it on the overhead, look at the pic I posted. Seems like a small distinction? Nope. Stairs, not ramps. In fact, I can't see one ramp the entire place.

The "clear separation" comes from the stairs, wall, trees and fucking garbage cans surrounding the entire skating area which, by the way, has been sunk below the grade of the whole rest of the park! I mean, I guess they could've built a fence too but how clear does it have to be?

The kid was heading in the direction of the street, yes. But whose to say he wasn't going toward the fucking swings or anything else? Are you really now trying to imply that the mom was letting her kid run through the fucking street? Also, you don't have to start referring to him as "the child" now.

Nice way of avoiding the "barrels" question. I was expecting you to say he came out from behind that Greyhound bus that's so clearly present.

And enough with the fucking proximity of the fucking mom already. Kids are allowed to run through parks. And the guy who hits a kid with a fucking skateboard is the one who bears responsibility for hitting a kid with a fucking skateboard. Ahhh!! Seriously, what fucking world do you live in?

Alright, sorry. I'm cooked. Later.

harlequinnsays...

Unconsciousness is the best indicator of head injury severity (for non-external bleeding wounds). He didn't go unconscious which means he didn't get hurt that badly. I'm guessing he didn't even receive a contusion.

At the 0:05 second mark he hits the ground and it looks to me like his head does not hit the ground until he relaxes it back and then he rolls sideways. But, given the bad angle, low resolution, and distance from the child, none of us can tell one way or another exactly how hard his head hit the ground. We're all just speculating that part.

I've treated lots of people with serious head wounds - mushed skull, subdural bleeding, etc. Not bleeding (either internal or external) is exactly what you do want.

Ryjkyjsaid:

And I know you're probably not a doctor, but a head injury that doesn't bleed is exactly the kind you don't want.

Ryjkyjsays...

Really Harlequinn.... have you ever treated a concussion?

Oh, I'm sorry, by "treat" do you mean, "applied a poultice of herbs and prayed really hard?" or are you actually saying that you practice medicine in the twenty-first century? Please, please tell me that you are not a medical professional who believes the victim of an accident must be fine because they are conscious.

I guess I should just be excited that someone agreed with me about the kid's head actually touching the ground.

Yeah, it's hard to really tell and the vid is only thirty seconds long but certainly trying to diagnose the severity of an injury is a little more insane than accepting the fact that a little kid (or anyone for that matter) can potentially be seriously injured after getting hit by a person six times their size riding a skateboard.

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