I think when she "ran out of fear" it wasn't fear of the cops... it was fear of her mother's teeth.

OMG. WTF would possibly justify this? What threat/danger did she pose to the police?

Wow, and I thought the british had bad teeth. Rednecks

That's what it comes down to.. she's a 14 year old girl - a child, essentially. That amount of force was NOT necessary to subdue her, especially when she wasn't aggressively resisting arrest, just "walking away" as it states in the report. Are police officers such lazy, incompetent assholes these days that they think they can just taser anyone, without employing much aim, to get the job done? Walk up to the 14 YEAR OLD GIRL, who would very likely not be armed, at all, and ask her to stop. Restrain her with your own arms, and body, and the handcuffs.. like the training you received suggests, y'know? This is fucking ridiculous.

>> ^MikesHL13:
OMG. WTF would possibly justify this? What threat/danger did she pose to the police?


I agree that she posed no threat to the cop and he made a very stupid decision and should face the consequences, but we also have to keep in mind that the girl does have to bear some blame for it. If you run from the police you have to expect to be dealt with harshly and possibly get hurt.

The worst part about this situation, IMO, is that it will add fuel to the debate that police shouldn't have tasers. If more cops put in the effort to resolve situations like this physically (running after her, physically restraining her, etc.) instead of taking the easy way of tasering the suspect then there would be a lot less uproar and fewer taser-related injuries/deaths.

The taser is an incredibly useful and necessary tool for police in the proper situations. This clearly wasn't the right time.

Damn! cops nowadays just really suck ass! I guess we all should be glad he decided to use non-lethal force on the child.If he wasn't equiped with the taser his only option would have been lethal force? What a load of bullshit.
The whole arguement that the taser is a tool that will save lives, that it gives the officer an alternitive to using deadly force, turns to shit when they use it instead of being an effective "public saftey officer".

I contend that we need to seriously reconsider the use of tasers by our police force. They should be used under the guidelines that a lethal weapon would; the taser would be a last resort and the lethal weapon would be THE last resort.

Right now, based on a seeming spike in incidents, police are using them on a whim. I think their intention is not to injure anyone (their chief concern is not injuring themselves) but people who get tasered are sometimes injured fatally:

"As of March 7 [2007], Amnesty International lists 220 people who have died since June of 2001 in the United States after Tasers were used on them, said Mona Cadena, San Francisco deputy director for the western region of that organization."
from: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04/01/news/top_stories/23_36_183_31_07.txt

I'm sure, besides death, other injuries occur (I have a huge fear i'll face plant and break off my front teeth if i'm ever tasered - unlikely but probably as unlikely as a 14 year old getting it in the brain) So why do police seem to use tasers with increasing regularity?

I'm sorry, i'm with the cops on this one.

First off, if she's been sending naughty pics of herself to older guys..that's a problem they need to look into.

Second, if there's a domestic dispute at a police station (Remembering, she did assault her mother) that's also a bad thing.

Strike three is walking away from an officer when they're coming to talk to you, that's technically resisting arrest.

Right now, we have no witnesses saying which happened first, the running or drawing the tazer, so all we have is circumstantial evidence, one persons word against the other. Now, from what we're told, the guy who drew the tazer in the first place wasn't some young drunk-on-his-power cop.. It was the chief of police. You don't get that position by being an asshole, you get there by being good at what you do.

The tazer wasn't meant to be as damaging as it was, I'm certain the cop didn't mean to get one of the prongs in her head, but if she's fleeing from an officer then you take the shot in the center of mass. One of the prongs just happened to be high, or maybe she ducked at a bad time.

The way to have resolved this? Stay put when the cop comes up to you in the first place, and if ANYBODY draws any sort of weapon on you, leathal or non, stay the fuck put if they tell you to.

>> ^JiggaJonson:
I contend that we need to seriously reconsider the use of tasers by our police force. They should be used under the guidelines that a lethal weapon would; the taser would be a last resort and the lethal weapon would be THE last resort.

I agree with the sentiment of your statement. The service I work for classifies the taser as an intermediate weapon on the same level as OC spray or a baton. These weapons are only justified when someone is displaying active aggression (punching, kicking spitting aggressive behaviour). Many Services in the U.S (I am in Canada) seem to allow their officers to use the taser as a substitute for touching or in some cases just talking to someone. Defies common sense and as has been mentioned... adds fuel to the fire of people not wanting officers to have tasers at all.

The problem comes when you speak about lethal weapon status and 'last resort' type situations. The Taser cannot be counted on to work when it is fired. The probes are far too unreliable. Lethal force can only rationally be justified when death or grievous bodily harm are imminent. The only response you can count on in those situations is a sidearm. The Taser can be used though if other officers have a contained suspect under 'lethal coverage'.

The long and short of it is that the Taser is a great tool for police officers and should be used properly and responsibly for the purpose it was designed for... to save lives. Officers who do not should be held accountable. Services that allow their members to Taser passively defensive subjects should get their asses sued off.

>> ^Shepppard:
I'm sorry, i'm with the cops on this one.
First off, if she's been sending naughty pics to herself to older guys..that's a problem they need to look into.
Second, if there's a domestic dispute at a police station (Remembering, she did assault her mother) that's also a bad thing.
Strike three is walking away from an officer when they're coming to talk to you, that's technically resisting arrest.
Right now, we have no witnesses saying which happened first, the running or drawing the tazer, so all we have is circumstantial evidence, one persons word against the other. Now, from what we're told, the guy who drew the tazer in the first place wasn't some young drunk-on-his-power cop.. It was the chief of police. You don't get that position by being an asshole, you get there by being good at what you do.
The tazer wasn't meant to be as damaging as it was, I'm certain the cop didn't mean to get one of the prongs in her head, but if she's fleeing from an officer then you take the shot in the center of mass. One of the prongs just happened to be high, or maybe she ducked at a bad time.
The way to have resolved this? Stay put when the cop comes up to you in the first place, and if ANYBODY draws any sort of weapon on you, leathal or non, stay the fuck put if they tell you to.

The cop fucking TASED HER IN THE HEAD. What the hell did cops do before tasers? They used "people skills" or they buckled down and ran. If he can't outrun a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL then he has no business being on the force. Furthermore, it's natural to run when you're scared. Especially when you're a dumb young teenager that doesn't know the implications. Ignorance is an excuse in the case of children. So what if she was sending naughty pictures to older men, that's her family's business and it's nothing a taser to the dome is going to remedy.

1) FIRE HIM
2) SUE THEM

The liberal socialists have made policework a damned-either-way proposition. Imagine the outcry if the police chief had tackled the girl or pepper-sprayed her instead. It would be the same calculated hysteria, differently-worded.

Cops exist in part to deal with people with no social skills; there are going to be situations where it doesn't matter how much grace the cops have; they're still dealing with defiant scum who will ensure the encounter ends badly, either because they don't give a fk or because they reasoned if they look more like victims during an arrest they'll escape justice.

Running from a cop is a crime. The wrongful assumption here is that a cop can only use force when directly threatened, yet s/he is just as justified to use force to protect others, including the victim. The young lady running away could have just as easily ran out into traffic, killing herself or causing an accident which resulted in the deaths of others.

When a dumbass of any age, race, creed or color challenges a Taser, they are not only securing a place in youtube history, they are choosing to become unpaid subjects, testing the limits of the device itself. Needles, wires, sparks, flames, explosions, all the possible outcomes have just been given a receipt.

Internet Armchair Police always know the exact level of force each situation requires. I don't care for cops myself, but they are owed the benefit of the doubt and more respect than given here.

You can't possibly be arguing cops should go around tasing people in case they run into traffic.

Wow, I never thought I'd ever come close to agreeing with QM, but I guess there is a first time for everything.

For those of you who think she walked away from the officer, there is a dashcam video of the incident. She was running away from him after he approached her, and he tasered her from behind as she ran into the road.

Still, the cop should have caught up and physically detained her, IMO. I don't know what it is like to be a cop (and I know I wouldn't have the patience for that thankless job), but in the military we often have to follow a clear escalation of force in the situations that call for a less than lethal approach. Peaceful gestures lead to offensive gestures which lead to physical contact which lead to more aggressive physical contact and so on. If the cop had escalated the force properly he would have attempted physical apprehension before tasering her in the back.

What happened to a good 'ol billy club beating? I mean, really. If you're not fast enough...then you shouldn't be a cop. I feel like cops should be at the top of their physical game...not given little toys that inflict serious damage with the pull of a trigger.

Tasers should be categorized in the same area as guns; they are slightly less dangerous but can really cause some damage. Take the "complex techmology" away from these damn pigs.

the police chief was fat and could not catch her. he tasered her out of fear for being laughed at by his colleagues

thats fucked up

Put him under the jail.

It's all good until it happens to your daughter, niece, or cousin.

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^Shepppard:
I'm sorry, i'm with the cops on this one.


The cop fucking TASED HER IN THE HEAD. What the hell did cops do before tasers? They used "people skills" or they buckled down and ran. If he can't outrun a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL then he has no business being on the force. Furthermore, it's natural to run when you're scared. Especially when you're a dumb young teenager that doesn't know the implications. Ignorance is an excuse in the case of children. So what if she was sending naughty pictures to older men, that's her family's business and it's nothing a taser to the dome is going to remedy.


If she's sending naughty pics to older men, she's underage and that`s technically child pornography, in which case the older men in question would be taken to court, that's not a family matter, that's a legal issue.

And before tazers, cops had to run, yeah. I've got tons of stories about cops that had to run through dangerous situations to catch the perp, I have one of my dad having to chase someone down after a car chase. Took 7 blocks to get them, and that's ONLY because he slipped on a patch of ice, which was VERY fortunate, because the guy had a 6 inch hunting knife on him.

Again, I can guarentee that he wouldn't have been AIMING for her head, she probably ducked or one of the prongs shot wild, it happens, sometimes you`ll see them at two different extremes of the back. Does that make it right? No. Does that make him at fault that his weapon possibly malfunctioned? No.


And yes, it's natural for people to run when they're scared.. it's also a possibility she ran before the cop drew the tazer. Yeah, she could've been scared before he drew the tazer.. but running is still resisting arrest.

>> ^rottenseed:

If he can't outrun a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL then he has no business being on the force.

That comment seriously had my laughing, and I totally agree. This is nothing but laziness. Using a TASER was completely unnecessary.

>> ^Skeeve:
"Peaceful gestures lead to offensive gestures"

So you're saying he should have flipped her the bird first?

>> ^Samaelsmith:
>> ^Skeeve:
"Peaceful gestures lead to offensive gestures"

So you're saying he should have flipped her the bird first?


lol... my post sounds that way doesn't it? Going from having your weapon drawn to pointing your weapon at the suspect is the escalation of force I was thinking about; cocking the weapon would be the next escalation. It goes on from there.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'taser, police state, police, chief' to 'taser, police state, police, chief, fascist cop' - edited by therealblankman

BOOM! HEAD SHOT!

It's a shame that she got shot in the head with a tazer, but it sounds like this family made their own problems, and come on, she took her daughter to the police, she's lucky they didn't use a real gun! Police follow procedures, if you don't like their methods you have to get them changed.

I think it's comical that anyone could justify, not just a cop, but the chief of police, shooting an unarmed teenage girl (who posed no danger or risk to anyone) in the head with a taser.

Maybe the cops should reconsider the use of tasers in the first place. It seems like every time I turn around some video or another crops up where a cop uses a taser and something goes horribly wrong. Yet despite all of the things that can go wrong( i.e heart attacks, a prong penetrating the skull) they seem to be treated as being about as benign as a can of mace.

Also, why couldn't he have let her go and maybe call one of his buddies to round her up? She's a 14 year old girl, she probably would have either come back once she calmed down or run to a friend/family member's house.

I say taser the cop until he stops moving.

the only thing worse than a douchebag cop, is a douchebag cop who uses excessive force.

get more of these videos on the sift, find the addresses of the police officers, the police stations, and the local news organizations and post them. send letters, e-mail, phone calls.

police chief (on leave at the time of video):
Roger Hatcher, Chief of Police

the police station's info:
Tucumcari Police Department
206 E Center St
Tucumcari, NM 88401-2215
(575) 461-2160

the news station info:
Albuquerque Media Monitoring
Phone (505) 266-6037
E-mail news@abqmedia.com
Web www.abqmedia.com

"She's running away from a police officer, that's illegal."

Well so fucking what? Where is she going to go? She's not a fugitive on the run, she's not armed and dangerous, she's not gonna go far, let her fucking run for a bit until she gets tired. I don't get this idea that you have to subdue everyone, even people you're just talking to. If they don't want to talk to you that's fine, you proceed in another direction, you don't immediately go to forcing them down so they can't run away, especially if they've done nothing wrong.

>> ^Yogi:
"She's running away from a police officer, that's illegal."
Well so fucking what? Where is she going to go? She's not a fugitive on the run, she's not armed and dangerous, she's not gonna go far, let her fucking run for a bit until she gets tired. I don't get this idea that you have to subdue everyone, even people you're just talking to. If they don't want to talk to you that's fine, you proceed in another direction, you don't immediately go to forcing them down so they can't run away, especially if they've done nothing wrong.


Assault, child pornography, fleeing the scene, and resisting arrest are no longer crimes? News to me.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that certain people get special treatment, you're not allowed to wander into the police station and talk to them when you feel like it when you've done something wrong.

As for where she's going to go? Who knows. If she's been sending nude pics of herself to older guys, who knows if she'll go to one of them. And if she does, which one, where are they located, how is she going to get there, has she even met them before, could this lead to an even WORSE situation?

It's not unheard of for kids to run away from home, especially after they've gotten themselves into a world of trouble, so just letting her walk away? That's kind of out of the question.

stupid (both mother and her offspring) + stupid (reckless cop) = stupid (14 y.o. girl getting poked in the brain by a taser barb).

I know how hard it is to stop 14-year-old girls without my taser. Especially when they don't want the candy I'm offering.

>> ^Shepppard:
>> ^Yogi:
"She's running away from a police officer, that's illegal."
Well so fucking what? Where is she going to go? She's not a fugitive on the run, she's not armed and dangerous, she's not gonna go far, let her fucking run for a bit until she gets tired. I don't get this idea that you have to subdue everyone, even people you're just talking to. If they don't want to talk to you that's fine, you proceed in another direction, you don't immediately go to forcing them down so they can't run away, especially if they've done nothing wrong.

Assault, child pornography, fleeing the scene, and resisting arrest are no longer crimes? News to me.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that certain people get special treatment, you're not allowed to wander into the police station and talk to them when you feel like it when you've done something wrong.
As for where she's going to go? Who knows. If she's been sending nude pics of herself to older guys, who knows if she'll go to one of them. And if she does, which one, where are they located, how is she going to get there, has she even met them before, could this lead to an even WORSE situation?
It's not unheard of for kids to run away from home, especially after they've gotten themselves into a world of trouble, so just letting her walk away? That's kind of out of the question.



The one thing that becomes abundantly apparent after reading your posts is that you are not a parent -- I don't know if you were going for another message with them but that's all that came through.

Cop was right to tase her. The mother herself said she gave her a bloody lip. I think that is grounds enough to tase someone. If she goes to the park to calm down, like the girl said, this must of happened before if the cop knew that to find her.

I've tased dogs in yards because owners would not subdue them when i asked. Its a threat to me, its going to be tasered. 14 years old is does not matter, have you been around 14 year old lately? They do adult stuff all the time, they can be treated as such.

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>> ^Yogi:
"She's running away from a police officer, that's illegal."
Well so fucking what? Where is she going to go? She's not a fugitive on the run, she's not armed and dangerous, she's not gonna go far, let her fucking run for a bit until she gets tired. I don't get this idea that you have to subdue everyone, even people you're just talking to.


This girl was brought to a police station by her mother who wanted help. What if the cop allows the child to now run away as you have suggested? Child runs to some older guys house and is raped or assaulted or worse. Not the most likely possibility but a possibility nonetheless. Now what happens? I'm not saying you would, but there would be people like you screaming...lazy cop allowed 14 rape victim to leave when her mother was pleading for help... horrifying crime could have been prevented. Fire this guy.

That is just the tip of the iceberg of how ambiguous and thankless being a cop is. You really are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I don't dispute that there are people who do the job very poorly... but there are a lot more that do it well and they don't get nearly enough credit.

I really like how people keep saying she was resisting arrest when I didn't hear once on the video that was being placed under arrest. The only thing they say about assault is that "police allege" she "physically abused" her mom in an argument they were having. Was she being charged with any crime, or was this cop just fed up with some annoying little girl's hissy fit? I think it's hard to dispute that some officers reach for a taser way before they have expelled sufficient physical effort, unarmed, to detain someone. If this, or even death, can be the outcome, then they damn well better exhaust all the options below that level of escalation before actually pulling the shock trigger.

And Skeeve, plz link the dashcam video.

hmmm. everyone says the cop is wrong, while ignoring the blatantly obvious - He thought that she was River Tam.

There is no such thing as excessive force against such a lethal weapon.

>> ^Dranzerk:
Cop was right to tase her. The mother herself said she gave her a bloody lip. I think that is grounds enough to tase someone. If she goes to the park to calm down, like the girl said, this must of happened before if the cop knew that to find her.
I've tased dogs in yards because owners would not subdue them when i asked. Its a threat to me, its going to be tasered. 14 years old is does not matter, have you been around 14 year old lately? They do adult stuff all the time, they can be treated as such.


Brilliant! Oh wait, what's that, you're NOT being sarcastic? Fuuuuuck....

What a bunch of animals agreeing with the cops. That's all i have to say. You're not fit to contribute to this gene pool, please exit and head straight to the changing rooms.

>> ^Dranzerk:
Cop was right to tase her. The mother herself said she gave her a bloody lip. I think that is grounds enough to tase someone. If she goes to the park to calm down, like the girl said, this must of happened before if the cop knew that to find her.
I've tased dogs in yards because owners would not subdue them when i asked. Its a threat to me, its going to be tasered. 14 years old is does not matter, have you been around 14 year old lately? They do adult stuff all the time, they can be treated as such.


If i were a cop and i had fascist tendancies, i'd certainly not make a post on a popular forum where anyone could potentially get me traced and give information to the media in order to have me investigated for suggesting tasering children in the head is a reasonable use of force in a non-violent situation.

That's just me.

>> ^Shepppard:
>> ^Yogi:
"She's running away from a police officer, that's illegal."
Well so fucking what? Where is she going to go? She's not a fugitive on the run, she's not armed and dangerous, she's not gonna go far, let her fucking run for a bit until she gets tired. I don't get this idea that you have to subdue everyone, even people you're just talking to. If they don't want to talk to you that's fine, you proceed in another direction, you don't immediately go to forcing them down so they can't run away, especially if they've done nothing wrong.

Assault, child pornography, fleeing the scene, and resisting arrest are no longer crimes? News to me.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that certain people get special treatment, you're not allowed to wander into the police station and talk to them when you feel like it when you've done something wrong.
As for where she's going to go? Who knows. If she's been sending nude pics of herself to older guys, who knows if she'll go to one of them. And if she does, which one, where are they located, how is she going to get there, has she even met them before, could this lead to an even WORSE situation?
It's not unheard of for kids to run away from home, especially after they've gotten themselves into a world of trouble, so just letting her walk away? That's kind of out of the question.


What horseshit excuses. It's not unheard of for children to run away from home, yes; but the answer to that is not to damage the kid further. So what if he didn't mean to hit her in the head. If a taser can do that kind of damage, why the fuck is he using it on an underage kid?? Really, the proper use of a taser should be reexamined.

Also, in your previous comment -- perp with 14 inch hunting knife equals 6 year old girl? Sounds to me like someone is head over heels in a romanticized vision of their pappy.

^ 6inch hunting knife, 14 year old girl


Disclaimer: Ya, way too much force, but...

I laugh at all of you who think some 40+ year old in ANY shape could run down a 14 year old girl. I mean really people, girls as young as 15 or 16 have been trying out for and getting onto Olympic teams since they were first allowed to. If you think 14 = slow, YOU are the one who's "slow". The only reason he caught up with her was she decided to hang out in the park.

Here's why. The tazer is approved and there is precedent. Kicking her legs out from under her, grabbing her in any way to stop her, or otherwise tackling her, is not approved. The cop is on his own with all of those options except the tazer or the gun. That is why. As for being in shape or able to outrun teenage girls, you get what you pay for.

Overall cops are good people trying to do a job with the tools and latitude they are given.

I thought I'd add my tuppence-worth from a different perspective (British):

Our police forces recently had the opportunity to roll out more widespread taser use and declined, keeping them controlled very much like a firearm (normal coppers in the UK don't carry guns). They felt there was too much financial cost and that they could damage public relations when videos of incidents hit the web. That seems to be exactly what has happened in the US. I appreciate that with widespread gun ownership comes a different policing style, but this incident clearly didn't require the use of any weapon.

I also agree that the cop should be able to keep up with a 14yr old girl. She may well be athletic, but you have to be more than just a bit quicker to get entirely out of sight. Why not just tail her, or even follow at a distance in his car?

The cop has shit for aim. But what do you expect him to do, let her get away? He's probably too old and fat to keep up on foot. Any 14 year old can run an 8 minute mile unless they're obese, anorexic, or chronically deprived of exercise.

Cop must have been pretty out of shape if he couldn't catch a 14 year old epileptic girl. Just saying.

But I agree with most of you, ignoring a police officer should be punished by summary brain electrocution. Someone needs to make an example of these little girls before they run around any more.

Since when can a tazer penetrate a skull? I'm kind of confused by that part of the story; aren't the little projectiles kinda small and relatively short-ranged? I didn't think they had that kind of power...

I'm fascinated by the skull penetration so I looked this up:

http://www.livescience.com/health/080122-women-skulls.html

About a quarter of an inch of bone... how the fuck does a little tazer thingy penetrate that??

Okay so I searched a bit more and there seem to be some medical articles which have been written on the subject and seem to indicate that a tazer can in fact penetrate a skull, who knew?

Along the search, I did come across a cute baby-seal tazer:

http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/pink-baby-seal-tazer

Everyone, please stop misusing the word "fascist". It just makes you sound childish.

^Nazi.

Epilepsy doesn't necessarily have any impact on her athletic ability.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
Everyone, please stop misusing the word "fascist". It just makes you sound childish.


What is the appropriate epithet for an abusive authority figure who evidently prefers the rigid and violent exercise of authority at the expense of human suffering?

And I wouldn't expect a 16 or 18 or 25 year old to be any faster at running than a 14 year old. Females typically reach their maximum height around that age.

The police have too much power, are above the law and have no accountability or oversight. If we do not bow down to their barking orders we are subject to torture from tasers, pepper spray, beatings, arrest and criminal charges. We have been conditioned to fear the police. Most of us are terrified to even disagree with them even when they are blatantly wrong. Groups of people watch as police assault and batter people. If we even touch an officer we are subject to felony charges. We need police reform.

Watch the shocking videos here http://www.youtube.com/user/CopsOutofControl WARNING: Videos are graphic and show police executing people.

Also check out the play list called "Know Your Rights" This is America and we cannot stand by while the police abuse and brutalize the people.

Such police actions just make my hair stand on end - this is all so terrible!

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