Just my thoughts

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@bareboards2

Remember when I said that the police institution is nothing but a for-profit corporation that doesn't protect or serve anyone [expect the people they work for]..?

Remember when I said that police officers are human and have feelings? I see a bunch of pissed off babies getting even, who don't have the smarts to just chill out.

These cops are going to be in big trouble. Just watch.

The over blown nature of your rhetoric is tiring, dear genji. But go ahead. I know you are enjoying your outrage, however much it is illogical (please look up the definition of "for-profit corporation" before you use that phrase again) and hysterically phrased ("nothing but" and "doesn't protect or serve anyone").

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

@bareboards2
Remember when I said that the police institution is nothing but a for-profit corporation that doesn't protect or serve anyone [expect the people they work for]..?

Oh, and thanks for this post, Ryj. Making this one as viral as the first is the way these cops are going to be brought to justice and Emily Good vindicated.

Power to the People! Quite literally, power to the people.

Vindictive high-schoolers is what they are, that doesn't mean the police force as a whole is a bad idea.

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weird.

nothing better to do, just gotta try to make that divide wider...

Bunch of whiny little babies.

More cameras people! Video tape them everywhere! They work for us, goddamit!

Link to the original incident? I can't find it on the sift.

We need to find some way to stop the "police entitlement" attitude. They work for us, and they need to be put in their place. Dammit, I hate that phrase, but in this case it's true. They work for the people, and they need to act like it. And we need to beat them over the head with lawsuits and political pressure until they become "Peace Officers" like they are supposed to be, not an officially sanctioned gang.

And still i see people on the internet that are defending the cops. As if it is ok for them to arrest people who stand up for their rights. Such a shame.

http://videosift.com/video/Woman-arrested-for-filming-police-officers

>> ^MaxWilder:

Link to the original incident?

This is great entertainment. Even better since I have no horse in this race.

Oh, the video was funny too.

My wife once was arrested for just asking an officer what jail they were taking her sister. Of course my wife was a little excited at the time but still pissed me off that she was arrested for no reason. In the report the officer said she attacked him which was a straight up lie. Unfortunately her and her lawyer didn't want to push the issue because I was quite ready to testify that the officer was a lying ass.

Interesting stuff, I couldn't bring myself to be that petty unless those guys were being outrageously annoying to me. If it is what we see, IE these people were arrested for filming and now the cops are busting their chops on parking..that's bullshit. If these guys are presenting the face that "we're the victims" even though they do stuff to make themselves victims but conveniently leave it off camera......I could see this being the result.

As of now I am siding with the non-police because it does seem the police are being assholes, but we're only seeing video they choose to put up.

what little shits they are. And such great use of that city's resources.

fascism

Good use of public resources...

@bareboards2

Cognitive dissonance much, Gale?
It's childish to think any precinct would punish or reprimand its officers for ENFORCING THE LAW.

Stop pretending like you don't understand perfectly well the logic for the "for-profit corporation" thing.

1.
Asshole cops write you a ticket [cause your car is 1/2 an inch too far from the curb]

2.
You either pay the fine or go to court or ignore it.
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1.
You pay the fine.
The "state" [Can you even define what the state is Gale?] receives revenue.
2.
You go to court.
Your public defender makes a deal with the "state". You pay a reduced fine.
The state receives revenue.
[Or worse, you have to defend yourself. You lose. You pay even larger fine.]
3.
You ignore it.
The court issues a bench warrant.
You're pulled over [for not wearing a seat belt or something] and are arrested immediately.
You post bail.
The state receives revenue.

The prison industrial complex, just like like the military industrial complex, is in the business of generating revenue.

Stop trying to deny/sugar coat it so you can justify your delusions about the purpose of it.

What a bunch of unholy bastards.

>> ^eric3579:

Just my thoughts



Funny thing about this vid - it's in New Orleans and there's not a single black guy in the entire crowd. I laugh.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Right - so cops never use ridiculous, petty infringements like public dancing to oppress.

>> ^dag:

Right - so cops never use ridiculous, petty infringements like public dancing to oppress.


Man, that dancing thing is like your new catch phrase. 'Way to go dance hating idiots'.

While I find the police's actions petty & douchey, who parks farther than 12 inches from the curb?

I mean, maybe it's because I grew up driving & parking in NYC, not the suburbs, but I'll repark if I'm not right next to it.

A civvy acts like a dick, abuses his power (as boss, parent, etc.)? Bah, just an individual.

A cop acts like a dick, abuses his power as law enforcer? FASCISM! FUCK THE POLICE!!!!

Grow up and get some perspective people.

Why the Hell aren't they arresting her for walking around in the street? That's like, traffic nuisance, or car buggery or somthin.

wow, how very petty.

might be just an attempt to isolate her in the community so she won't get any support in court if that would come up?
and I fully agree that policing this days turned into a business.

*fear *bullies

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No excuse, This was petty harassment. I do believe the term is, "Official Oppression" This should never be allowed to happen. The police are saying that if you support this woman we will find a way to fine you for whatever we can think of. I love this quote from their union.
"Rochester Police Union President Mike Mazzeo said the officer in question repeatedly told Miss Good he felt threatened by her presence."
So? If you feel threatened by someone filming you then maybe your doing something wrong? If not then why are you feeling threatened? I person with a camera is not a threat unless your doing something wrong. If an officer pulled over a driver for whatever reason and the drive stated he felt threatened by the dash cam how do you think that officer would respond?

Also, almost EVERY cell phone made now has a built in camera that can take pictures and video. No matter how much you want to stop it. Its far to late. In the early 90's my last year a collage. I walked everywhere with a video camera. Not only did the local police not care. (If I ever find that tape its going to be youtube gold) I have several shots of motorcycle cops dancing in the street waving and having a blast. On a Monday night.


Claiming they just enforcing the law is pure bullshit. They chose to be petty. They chose to harass people. Its not a valid excuse. The guards at Auschwitz claimed they were only following orders. Ya, a bit over the top but i feel nothing nails that BS excuse mentality better.

>> ^hpqp:

A civvy acts like a dick, abuses his power (as boss, parent, etc.)? Bah, just an individual.
A cop acts like a dick, abuses his power as law enforcer? FASCISM! FUCK THE POLICE!!!!
Grow up and get some perspective people.


Since I'm not allowed to down vote your comment. I do have perspective. I'm sorry you do not. A civvy as you call them and us, can not throw me in a room with bars and take away my freedom because he felt like and get away with it. A civvy can not beat the crap out of me while yelling "Stop Resisting" and get away with it. I civvy can not taze me for not complying to his demands and get away with it. That is the difference. Not all police are bad but the shitty ones make it bad for everyone. The camera is not a weapon, it is not a threat. It is a tool that even the police use. Why can us civvys not us it also? My, Prospective is, Don't oppress. Period. What starts off as a small thing can grow. Stop it now before it gets out of hand. If they start to believe they can get away with this. When will it stop? Taking a picture or video is not a crime. Throwing someone in jail for it is. Feel free to give up your rights but do not think I will allow you to give up mine.

If there isn't a law against selectively enforcing the law in retaliation for lawful actions, there should be.

new training vids

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

>> ^hpqp:
A civvy acts like a dick, abuses his power (as boss, parent, etc.)? Bah, just an individual.
A cop acts like a dick, abuses his power as law enforcer? FASCISM! FUCK THE POLICE!!!!
Grow up and get some perspective people.

Since I'm not allowed to down vote your comment. I do have perspective. I'm sorry you do not. A civvy as you call them and us, can not throw me in a room with bars and take away my freedom because he felt like and get away with it. A civvy can not beat the crap out of me while yelling "Stop Resisting" and get away with it. I civvy can not taze me for not complying to his demands and get away with it. That is the difference. Not all police are bad but the shitty ones make it bad for everyone. The camera is not a weapon, it is not a threat. It is a tool that even the police use. Why can us civvys not us it also? My, Prospective is, Don't oppress. Period. What starts off as a small thing can grow. Stop it now before it gets out of hand. If they start to believe they can get away with this. When will it stop? Taking a picture or video is not a crime. Throwing someone in jail for it is. Feel free to give up your rights but do not think I will allow you to give up mine.


You seem to have missed the point of my (admittedly somewhat confrontational) comment: cops are people too, some are dicks, and they will abuse their power like any other dick with power. I am all against oppression and power abuse, especially by those who are meant to uphold the law, but cannot help but feel that some people will jump on any occasion to vilify the police in general ("fascist!" is one of the more malicious of insults I've seen here on the Sift), which is immature, irresponsible and, quite frankly, quite dickish. You'll notice I didn't post this comment under a video of true police oppression, such as this one, but under a video in which a person is getting fined by an immature asshat.

I live in Switzerland, where any of the examples you stated (and even much, much less) would get the offending cop a nice sentence in jail (and a permanent loss of job) while the victim would go off with a handsome sum of compensation cash, so maybe I'm not one to talk. But from what I know, the US, as bad as it is, is not China. Yet, at least.

So yes, by all means we should fight for more justice and less abuse of power, but making sweeping generalisations about the police who, for the most part, do do their best to "protect and serve", is no help at all.

>> ^hpqp:

>> ^skinnydaddy1:
>> ^hpqp:
A civvy acts like a dick, abuses his power (as boss, parent, etc.)? Bah, just an individual.
A cop acts like a dick, abuses his power as law enforcer? FASCISM! FUCK THE POLICE!!!!
Grow up and get some perspective people.

Since I'm not allowed to down vote your comment. I do have perspective. I'm sorry you do not. A civvy as you call them and us, can not throw me in a room with bars and take away my freedom because he felt like and get away with it. A civvy can not beat the crap out of me while yelling "Stop Resisting" and get away with it. I civvy can not taze me for not complying to his demands and get away with it. That is the difference. Not all police are bad but the shitty ones make it bad for everyone. The camera is not a weapon, it is not a threat. It is a tool that even the police use. Why can us civvys not us it also? My, Prospective is, Don't oppress. Period. What starts off as a small thing can grow. Stop it now before it gets out of hand. If they start to believe they can get away with this. When will it stop? Taking a picture or video is not a crime. Throwing someone in jail for it is. Feel free to give up your rights but do not think I will allow you to give up mine.

You seem to have missed the point of my (admittedly somewhat confrontational) comment: cops are people too, some are dicks, and they will abuse their power like any other dick with power. I am all against oppression and power abuse, especially by those who are meant to uphold the law, but cannot help but feel that some people will jump on any occasion to vilify the police in general ("fascist!" is one of the more malicious of insults I've seen here on the Sift), which is immature, irresponsible and, quite frankly, quite dickish. You'll notice I didn't post this comment under a video of true police oppression, such as this one, but under a video in which a person is getting fined by an immature asshat.
I live in Switzerland, where any of the examples you stated (and even much, much less) would get the offending cop a nice sentence in jail (and a permanent loss of job) while the victim would go off with a handsome sum of compensation cash, so maybe I'm not one to talk. But from what I know, the US, as bad as it is, is not China. Yet, at least.
So yes, by all means we should fight for more justice and less abuse of power, but making sweeping generalisations about the police who, for the most part, do do their best to "protect and serve", is no help at all.


Alas, your efforts to be reasonable will fall on deaf ears. This is about as nuanced as most of the anti-police posters on here will get on this issue.

My 2 cents: Everyone involved in these videos are completely retarded!!
The cops are retarded for sending 3 cop cars to issue tickets for minor infractions.
Emily Rose is retarded for playing the victim card too often.

Even though that one car was 12.5" from the curb, it's still technically illegally parked! 99.9999% of cops would have let that one slide (you know, using common sense and all) but this cop was being a retard for issuing a ticket (although he wasn't in the wrong). Notice one cop pointed out one car for her to film, but she conveniently edited it out? Perhaps it was 18-24" from the curb!?

In the first video, why did she feel that she needed to stand in her yard filming the cops? Nothing unusual was going on. Yes, she wasn't doing anything illegal by filming them. But the situation turning into a grade school pissing match. Both sides were harassing each other. Everyone involved is retarded!

>> ^pierrekrahn:

My 2 cents: Everyone involved in these videos are completely retarded!!
The cops are retarded for sending 3 cop cars to issue tickets for minor infractions.
Emily Rose is retarded for playing the victim card too often.
Even though that one car was 12.5" from the curb, it's still technically illegally parked! 99.9999% of cops would have let that one slide (you know, using common sense and all) but this cop was being a retard for issuing a ticket (although he wasn't in the wrong). Notice one cop pointed out one car for her to film, but she conveniently edited it out? Perhaps it was 18-24" from the curb!?
In the first video, why did she feel that she needed to stand in her yard filming the cops? Nothing unusual was going on. Yes, she wasn't doing anything illegal by filming them. But the situation turning into a grade school pissing match. Both sides were harassing each other. Everyone involved is retarded!


It's about rights, you either have them or you don't. Rights are constantly being shifted in one way or another depending on federal law, common law and where you live. Common law often relies upon the definition of what an 'ordinary person' should be allowed to do, or how that person would think, or act.

Many people (as evidenced by the comments above) think that holding a video camera in one's own yard should be within their rights. Many people are also aware that the government uses various excuses to try to erode the rights and privacy of citizens - the 'war on terror', and the 'war on drugs' are a couple of examples. These same people wish to push back, and without people like this, the laws that protect your individual rights (that you take for granted) will erode.

So I guess my point is that whether or not you take your personal liberties seriously, some people do, and the effort these people go to benefits everyone.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it's about rights. She did absolutely nothing wrong by recording them from her yard. I'm just saying that she did participate in the pissing contest, then starting yelling in the street when she was getting arrested. She had the whole thing on tape, so didn't need to start yelling. Basically I think she's a 'tard. BUT, I think the cops are even BIGGER retards! It could have been handled better by both sides.

Just being devil's advocate here.

>> ^ghark:

>> ^pierrekrahn:
My 2 cents: Everyone involved in these videos are completely retarded!!
The cops are retarded for sending 3 cop cars to issue tickets for minor infractions.
Emily Rose is retarded for playing the victim card too often.
Even though that one car was 12.5" from the curb, it's still technically illegally parked! 99.9999% of cops would have let that one slide (you know, using common sense and all) but this cop was being a retard for issuing a ticket (although he wasn't in the wrong). Notice one cop pointed out one car for her to film, but she conveniently edited it out? Perhaps it was 18-24" from the curb!?
In the first video, why did she feel that she needed to stand in her yard filming the cops? Nothing unusual was going on. Yes, she wasn't doing anything illegal by filming them. But the situation turning into a grade school pissing match. Both sides were harassing each other. Everyone involved is retarded!

It's about rights, you either have them or you don't. Rights are constantly being shifted in one way or another depending on federal law, common law and where you live. Common law often relies upon the definition of what an 'ordinary person' should be allowed to do, or how that person would think, or act.
Many people (as evidenced by the comments above) think that holding a video camera in one's own yard should be within their rights. Many people are also aware that the government uses various excuses to try to erode the rights and privacy of citizens - the 'war on terror', and the 'war on drugs' are a couple of examples. These same people wish to push back, and without people like this, the laws that protect your individual rights (that you take for granted) will erode.
So I guess my point is that whether or not you take your personal liberties seriously, some people do, and the effort these people go to benefits everyone.

Enforcing the law is not an abuse of power. If your car is parked more than 12 inches away from the curb, you're breaking the law. It doesn't matter if it's 12.5 inches or 20 inches. The law's the law. As for selective enforcement, I'm not really sure how else you can enforce the law. There are a finite number of cops and each one can only monitor a very limited area at any given time. They can't monitor everything and everyone unless the government installs optical implants into everyone's head and uses a highly advanced AI to monitor the feeds and filter out criminal activities. Until that happens, the police will have to pick and choose. Is it wrong that they chose to monitor this particular neighborhood? No, not really. It might be inconvenient for those who like to break the law but them's the breaks.

Bottom line is that the cars wouldn't have been ticketed if they had obeyed the law. If you think the law is fundamentally unjust and should never be enforced, write to your favorite politician and voice your opinion. But don't complain when laws are enforced.

>> ^gwiz665:

Vindictive high-schoolers is what they are, that doesn't mean the police force as a whole is a bad idea.


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So, these vindictive high-schoolers were just acting out? And not carrying out the orders of their superiors?

Seems like that law was designed specifically with petty harassment in mind. There does need to be some law to prevent people from blocking the street with terrible park jobs. But they set the bar for ticketing ridiculously low.

>> ^entr0py:

Seems like that law was designed specifically with petty harassment in mind. There does need to be some law to prevent people from blocking the street with terrible park jobs. But they set the bar for ticketing ridiculously low.


Parking spots are about 9 feet wide. So a foot clearance curbside and a foot clearance traffic side on a 6 foot wide car is about an 8 foot wide parking spot. That's an 8 foot wide parking spot with potentially no fixed obstacles on either side of the vehicle to prevent you from opening your doors and exiting. Which to me equates to more like a 10-11 foot wide parking spot if it's clear on both sides. You know how annoying it is when people park on the lines and you can't get in and out of your car without contorting your body and nearly decapitating yourself on the roof of the vehicle and the top of the door.

So one foot curbside leeway seems fine to me. Also, most lanes of traffic are 11-12 feet standard now, but were smaller in the past more like 10 feet. So a two lane road would be 20 feet and up. If you had parking on both sides, anything more than 1 foot clearance would risk there not being enough room for one car to pass between the two parked cars.

I really don't think it's good that they're harassing Emily.

You people definetly need to learn that fucking somebody must lead to getting fucked later on.

LOL. This is funny. The city of Rochester won't stand for this. I suspect Louise Slaughter will get involved.

To be fair to the cops in the original video, I spent 8 years in Rochester, and if I recognize the neighborhood, it's the one I lived in. Most people don't realize this, but Rochester isn't exactly green acres. It has a substantially higher murder rate than NYC, active gang populations, drug running, the whole nine yards. As often accompanies that sort of activity, neighborhoods such as the 19th ward, where I used to live, have a pronounced anti-cop attitude. If I were doing an arrest there, at night, I'd rather not have people snooping around. Those stoops know you by your badge number. There were multiple murders/muggings/burglaries in the neighborhood while I was there, including a drive-by my friend witnessed right up the street. I could even tell you the story about how I naively offered the "mayor of the 19th ward" (the head of the crips) a ride home. He introduced me to all his "nephs" that would proceed to hand him bigger rolls of cash than I've ever seen, brought me to the crack house up the street where the toothless dude living in a closet was "saving up for a sandwich, but would buy some bags to lick if he had any," and finally explained to me that when he called me "cool as a bitch" it was a good thing, because he fought dogs, and "ain't no dog gonna fight longer and harder for you than a pit bitch." He further explained, "if somebody says 'you gonna die bitch,' that's not the bitch you want to be." Then there was the part where he tried to offer me car parts, bulletproof vests, guns, drugs, girls, you name it.

That said, clearly there are much better uses of officer resources in that city than curb-distance parking citations.

Also, this isn't in keeping with their typical attitude surrounding activism. When the Iraq war broke out, I worked with a group of radicals organizing anti-war protests. We had protests every week on Fridays leading up to, and into the beginning of the war for months. We shut down the streets in front of the federal offices downtown with about 500-1000 people routinely, and really were pretty obnoxious to the cops in retrospect (doing things like changing our route so they couldn't keep us out of the streets, and yelling in their faces with a megaphone). While we had our own "special investigator" nothing ever really came of it. They let us say our piece, do our CD, and didn't even arrest us for it. They'd talk big, but honestly, given our attitude at the time, they could have been much less civil than they were. Although, how they treat the college kids, and how they treat the bangers in the hood at night is a different ballgame.

Emily Good case dismissed

From the article linked above^^

From a joint statement issued by Mayor Tom Richards, City Council President Lovely Warren and Rochester Police Chief James Sheppard: "We believe that the incident that led to Ms. Good's arrest and the subsequent ticketing for parking violations of vehicles belonging to members of an organization associated with Ms. Good raise issues with respect to the conduct of Rochester Police Officers that require an internal review. A review into both matters has been initiated."

Nope. A civvy is a dick to me and I can get in his face or tell him off. A cop is a dick to me and I have to take it, or I can choose to get arrested and charged with "interference" or whatever they feel like inventing. Cops learn they can act with impunity, within the law or not, because there's no consequences for them. It's only because cops can be dicks with ridiculous amounts of power that this is a problem.

If our cops usually held each other accountable for their own illegal actions instead of circling the wagons, then nobody would take any notice of these videos. They would be about as sift-worthy as videos of gas station robberies.

Are law enforcement agencies a good thing? Yes. Is it desirable that the officers have such disproportionate power that people who question them get arrested? No.>> ^hpqp:

A civvy acts like a dick, abuses his power (as boss, parent, etc.)? Bah, just an individual.
A cop acts like a dick, abuses his power as law enforcer? FASCISM! FUCK THE POLICE!!!!
Grow up and get some perspective people.