Someone posted this in a discussion about people claiming we live in a "post-racial" society. It's stupidly effective.
greatgooglymooglysays...

"If everyone was back on that line, I guarantee some of these black dudes would smoke all of you."

LOL, nothing like a little prejudice while trying to make a point about race.

AKA, "black people, the only way you could possibly lose this race is because a white guy has a head start."

luxintenebrisjokingly says...

naw.

he may have known a couple of track athletes in the group. so the guarantee could be warranted.

Prejudice is a bias or a preconceived opinion, idea, or belief about something. When you act based on prejudice, you make up your mind about something and make generalizations about it before fully knowing about it. (from dictionary.com)


missing the point, anyway. here's a video in a similar vein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LopI4YeC4I

btw: am biased against the word 'race': as if there was more than one? even with neanderthal genetics, we should retire 'race' as a descriptive term. it's a misnomer.

greatgooglymooglysaid:

"If everyone was back on that line, I guarantee some of these black dudes would smoke all of you."

LOL, nothing like a little prejudice while trying to make a point about race.

AKA, "black people, the only way you could possibly lose this race is because a white guy has a head start."

newtboysays...

Dude, did you not see them blasting past everyone in the back like they weren't moving and catching up with the front? The only way they lost that race was almost every white guy had a MASSIVE head start, not due to anything they did or earned, but because of their parentage and the head starts their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents had over people of color, putting them WAY ahead before any racing started.
It would have been smart to prove it with a second, fair race....but we don't do those in America, especially not for money.

Incredibly sad you refuse to understand.

Duh, he's saying the reason they so often lose most "races" isn't what Bob and his ilk claim, pure laziness and lack of effort, it's lack of head starts equating to over half the race distance.

greatgooglymooglysaid:

"If everyone was back on that line, I guarantee some of these black dudes would smoke all of you."

LOL, nothing like a little prejudice while trying to make a point about race.

AKA, "black people, the only way you could possibly lose this race is because a white guy has a head start."

greatgooglymooglysays...

If the video were presented that they were athletes and the white people were just average people off the street, the comment from the announcer would be warranted. That's not how it's presented however, it's shown as a random group of young people who we SHOULD all treat as equal.

If he had said "I've seen a couple of these guys run and I KNOW they are faster than all of you." then that would be relevant personal knowledge, not just a guess based on their race. The fact that they did run faster has no bearing on why he made the statement before anyone ran and should have no idea how fast they are.

luxintenebrissaid:

naw.

he may have known a couple of track athletes in the group. so the guarantee could be warranted.

Prejudice is a bias or a preconceived opinion, idea, or belief about something. When you act based on prejudice, you make up your mind about something and make generalizations about it before fully knowing about it. (from dictionary.com)


missing the point, anyway. here's a video in a similar vein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LopI4YeC4I

btw: am biased against the word 'race': as if there was more than one? even with neanderthal genetics, we should retire 'race' as a descriptive term. it's a misnomer.

moonsammysays...

The video only appears to show a portion of a larger event - it seems extremely likely he'd been working with this group for longer, and had gotten to know them a bit. If you're perceiving this guy making judgments based on race, it isn't universal.

greatgooglymooglysaid:

The fact that they did run faster has no bearing on why he made the statement before anyone ran and should have no idea how fast they are.

eoesays...

White trash in the back feel ignored. Oops!

Remember, it's not entirely a race issue, it's also a class one. And class probably plays a far greater role.

bobknight33says...

Its not where you start in life its where you end up.

White privilege is a false statement. Its really middle class privilege. Its about education not skin color. There are plenty of poor whites as much as there are poor blacks.


Those in the back mostly without fathers.
All knowing Newt, What is the fix?

Economic hardship of those kids would be lesson if both parents were present.


Finally JOBS or lack of them are mostly due to government policies ( Fair trade / Free Trade) have decimated job opportunities for All Americans, especially low wage and entry jobs.


Make policies that bring jobs back to America. Passing bills that take tax dollars and make roads or such only create short term jobs.

Trump was right Lower business tax rates to compete on world stage stimulated economy and America started to flourish.

Sadly Biden/ Democrats want to move tax rate up which will slow down growth, if passed.


Learn???
My dad started working at 14, His dad never got passed 8th grade.
My dad went bankrupt, had a chronically ill wife ( died in early 40s due to it) and 4 kids.

He never left. He worked his ass off.

Also he broke his back in 3 places and crushed his right hand. He left the hospital to sign a house mortgage, knowing he might never work again.
With a healing back and crippled hand he drove 50 miles each way in a stick shift car for 3 years like this just to keep a roof over our heads.

I paid my own way through college, Same for my sister.

My dad says If you want it bad enough you will find a way.

So don't tell be about white privilege bull shit.

What about Black lawyers, Drs, and ball players?
They make way more coin than most white people. Do they have white privilege?

The person making minimum wage likes it enough to stay, else he will find a better paying job.


Should fines, penalties be smaller for poor people , yes.

newtboysaid:

@bobknight33 , you need to watch and learn.

newtboysays...

Where you start greatly impacts where you end up.

One party wants to offer 4 more years of public education, and your party is dead set against it.

Yes, there are plenty of poor white people, but far more poor blacks per capita by race.

The fix is multi fold with many unknowns, but an equal justice system where black defendants aren't 10 times more likely to go to prison based on the same evidence and circumstances would be a great start. Many fathers are MIA because they're in prison for minor drug offences while white defendants of similar charges usually get probation.

Pay better attention, the issue now is people don't want those low paying jobs and companies can't fill them, not a lack of them.

Lack of roads and bridges and electricity and an educated work force kill jobs and GDP. There are more than enough infrastructure jobs to do to jot only keep the entire construction industry busy for decades, there are constantly more as infrastructure ages. They may be part time projects, they are full time permanent jobs.

Look at GDP last year, fool. Under those tax cuts we had the largest drop in GDP ever. Holy fuck! The total rise in GDP under Trump is barely 1% in 4 years, disastrous, not flourishing.

Your dad didn't go to prison for fitting the description.

Just like not all those white kids had all those head starts, not all black kids have none. They needed to work harder and overcome more in almost all cases to be successful, and had to defend their right to success repeatedly, just ask one. Sports superstars are under what, 2000 people, not all of which make millions. Exceptions often prove the rule.....Remember his question about going to school on a non athletic scholarship? Relegating people to one or two professions they are allowed to be successful in based on race is definitely racist.

Edit: Studies show professional whites make about 1/3 more than blacks and even more compared to Hispanics even as lawyers, and whites make up over 85% of lawyers and 60% of the population while blacks are about 5% of lawyers and over 18% of population.
https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/a_law_degree_provides_a_larger_earnings_boost_to_whites_than_minorities_res
https://www.mycase.com/blog/aba-2019-report-lawyer-demographics-earnings-tech-choices-and-more/
The head starts never end.

The people working minimum wage hated it enough that they aren't going back and businesses can't find low wage employees....so.....

Wow, we agree on your last point. Your party, and definitely Trump absolutely disagree 100%. Their agenda is to ensure that is never the case but instead (successfully) argue that affluenza should excuse even murder and should definitely shield them from any lesser charge.

bobknight33said:

Its not where you start in life its where you end up.

Digitalfiendsays...

I don't really see the point of these videos as the outcome of this exercise can really depend on where this sort of polling is done. I get what they are trying to convey, but it's too simplistic.

If you did this very same exercise in my neighbourhood, I'd wager good money most of the visible minority students would be stepping forward as well. There are a lot of *very* well-off visible minority families in this area. Do this exercise again in an affluent black-community - same outcome? I don't think so.

Also why are no other ethnicities represented? Where are the Muslim, Indian, and Asian teens? Again, in my area and across Toronto, many of these minority groups have children that are thriving. Do they have privilege too? My perspective as a Canadian might be a little different than someone from the US but this topic feels too complex and nuanced to be reduced to a simple metaphor.

greatgooglymooglysays...

I suppose "black dudes" could be referring to something other than race. My bad.

moonsammysaid:

The video only appears to show a portion of a larger event - it seems extremely likely he'd been working with this group for longer, and had gotten to know them a bit. If you're perceiving this guy making judgments based on race, it isn't universal.

luxintenebrisjokingly says...

dig your vigor 'tho still believe 33 isn't a person words have much meaning. some folks have to live it to learn it. bk has to be one of those. to believe there's no white privilege shows a lack of exposure, comprehension, and/or willingness to accept an obvious truth. doubt he's even heard about 'black like me' let alone be inclined to risk D. L. Hughley.

let the 'what's the answer' slide. wager it's rhetorical.
[think he's looked at single-parent household numbers?]

reading the 'no joe' parts, kept hearing 'broken men' from this video...

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240

and this is a better subject related video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LopI4YeC4I

newtboysaid:

Where you start greatly impacts where you end up.

One party wants to offer 4 more years of public education, and your party is dead set against it.

Yes, there are plenty of poor white people, but far more poor blacks per capita by race.

The fix is multi fold with many unknowns, but an equal justice system where black defendants aren't 10 times more likely to go to prison based on the same evidence and circumstances would be a great start. Many fathers are MIA because they're in prison for minor drug offences while white defendants of similar charges usually get probation.

Pay better attention, the issue now is people don't want those low paying jobs and companies can't fill them, not a lack of them.

Lack of roads and bridges and electricity and an educated work force kill jobs and GDP. There are more than enough infrastructure jobs to do to jot only keep the entire construction industry busy for decades, there are constantly more as infrastructure ages. They may be part time projects, they are full time permanent jobs.

Look at GDP last year, fool. Under those tax cuts we had the largest drop in GDP ever. Holy fuck!

Your dad didn't go to prison for fitting the description.

Just like not all those white kids had all those head starts, not all black kids have none. They needed to work harder and overcome more in almost all cases to be successful, and had to defend their right to success repeatedly, just ask one. Sports superstars are under what, 2000 people, not all of which make millions. Exceptions often prove the rule.....Remember his question about going to school on a non athletic scholarship? Relegating people to one or two professions they are allowed to be successful in based on race is definitely racist.

The people working minimum wage hated it enough that they aren't going back and businesses can't find low wage employees....so.....

Wow, we agree on your last point. Your party, and definitely Trump absolutely disagree 100%. Their agenda is to ensure that is never the case but instead (successfully) argue that affluenza should excuse even murder and should definitely shield them from any lesser charge.

newtboysays...

Thanks.
Yes, I have no doubt my words fall on deaf ears, so to speak, but that doesn't mean his silliness doesn't warrant contradiction.

I believe it's the latter, perhaps 2 & 3. It's hard to believe someone with internet and tv access could possibly be underexposed to the level he displays.

I agree, it was rhetorical....as if I should have the answer to a long term social problem....as if there is one answer that might solve it. It was the type of rhetorical question that, unanswered, he would trot out as "proof" that liberals don't have any answers.

I liked the Arnold video, but was disappointed how little he knows about steel....if anyone should know the secrets of steel it's Conan.

luxintenebrissaid:

dig your vigor 'tho still believe 33 isn't a person words have much meaning. some folks have to live it to learn it. bk has to be one of those. to believe there's no white privilege shows a lack of exposure, comprehension, and/or willingness to accept an obvious truth. doubt he's even heard about 'black like me' let alone be inclined to risk D. L. Hughley.

let the 'what's the answer' slide. wager it's rhetorical.
[think he's looked at single-parent household numbers?]

reading the 'no joe' parts, kept hearing 'broken men' from this video...

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240

and this is a better subject related video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LopI4YeC4I

vilsays...

You cant both keep increasing school segregation and keep pretending there is no racism.

You cant both have decreasing social mobility with no social safety net and claim to be the land of the free.

Free to live without dental care and indebted for your entire life. Sounds like the middle ages to me.

surfingytsays...

Willful ignorance combined with aggressive bigotry to help combat his internal feelings the path he walks down is unsustainable? Sympathies and benefit of the doubt are gone for bewb... only the delicious tears of a republicant snowflake remain.

newtboysaid:

Thanks.
Yes, I have no doubt my words fall on deaf ears, so to speak, but that doesn't mean his silliness doesn't warrant contradiction.

I believe it's the latter, perhaps 2 & 3. It's hard to believe someone with internet and tv access could possibly be underexposed to the level he displays.

newtboysays...

So, because he didn't go into how well he knows them at all, you are going to jump to the conclusion that he doesn't know them and claim he just randomly assumes any black person is a champion level sprinter?
And, if true, why you don't see that as another roadblock, people making assumptions about their abilities based purely on race, confirming his point?

I disagree completely, it's a near certainty he personally knows them, likely they are part of his group putting on this event, an event designed to open people's eyes to their own racial privileges. It would be a ridiculous and self defeating gamble on his part to make those statements if he didn't know them personally....ridiculous and racist, basing his assumptions purely on race to make a point that you shouldn't do that.

You are making huge assumptions based on a lack of information to try to discount his message.....why? Why is his message so scary to you that you feel the need to discard it over your likely mistaken red herring assumption?

greatgooglymooglysaid:

If the video were presented that they were athletes and the white people were just average people off the street, the comment from the announcer would be warranted. That's not how it's presented however, it's shown as a random group of young people who we SHOULD all treat as equal.

If he had said "I've seen a couple of these guys run and I KNOW they are faster than all of you." then that would be relevant personal knowledge, not just a guess based on their race. The fact that they did run faster has no bearing on why he made the statement before anyone ran and should have no idea how fast they are.

moonsammysays...

I've seen / read some stuff around the "great replacement" concept lately. It's apparently a significant, if not THE significant commonality amongst people who both 1) believe the election was fraudulent and 2) would consider violence in response. The root causes of the worldview seems to stem from personal hardships, and from the perception of others getting advantages they didn't receive themselves. Makes some degree of sense to me, as over the course of one's life it could feel like you were treated unfairly while others were given a leg up.

It doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that can be productively fought against on an individual level. That such a worldview requires far more than just a motivating incident, but more like a life of personal experience, I don't personally see how to successfully shift someone away from it. Too damned ingrained. Our best bet, in my view, is actually having a proper social safety net that lifts everyone up to a viable baseline from which to pursue their life / liberty / happiness.

surfingytsaid:

Willful ignorance combined with aggressive bigotry to help combat his internal feelings the path he walks down is unsustainable? Sympathies and benefit of the doubt are gone for bewb... only the delicious tears of a republicant snowflake remain.

greatgooglymooglysays...

The message he was trying to make is perfectly valid and worthwhile. He just did an unartful job of making it. If I was one of the guys in the back and we knew each other, I would be insulted to be referred to by my race instead of by name. "Chris, Robert, and Mike over there are faster than you all" comes off a lot more respectful than "those black guys". If he didn't know their names, "those guys in the back" would have been preferable.

And if he is making assumptions, that is exactly why I highlighted his choice of words, to point out that he was making assumptions. Pointing this out doesn't detract from his message that nobody has equal opportunity.

newtboysaid:

So, because he didn't go into how well he knows them at all, you are going to jump to the conclusion that he doesn't know them and claim he just randomly assumes any black person is a champion level sprinter?
And, if true, why you don't see that as another roadblock, people making assumptions about their abilities based purely on race, confirming his point?

I disagree completely, it's a near certainty he personally knows them, likely they are part of his group putting on this event, an event designed to open people's eyes to their own racial privileges. It would be a ridiculous and self defeating gamble on his part to make those statements if he didn't know them personally....ridiculous and racist, basing his assumptions purely on race to make a point that you shouldn't do that.

You are making huge assumptions based on a lack of information to try to discount his message.....why? Why is his message so scary to you that you feel the need to discard it over your likely mistaken red herring assumption?

surfingytsays...

Interesting... Yeah that's entitlement imo. The world is not fair and some people do get privileges that others do not get. maybe life was hard on bewb but that doesnt mean it should be for others too, or that common sense changes to better everyone overall (like a societal safety net) should be abandoned because he had to walk uphill both ways to school therefore so should everyone else. Some cant see past their own nose and are so self-absorbed they cant think of overall societal good without making it about them again.

moonsammysaid:

I've seen / read some stuff around the "great replacement" concept lately. It's apparently a significant, if not THE significant commonality amongst people who both 1) believe the election was fraudulent and 2) would consider violence in response. The root causes of the worldview seems to stem from personal hardships, and from the perception of others getting advantages they didn't receive themselves. Makes some degree of sense to me, as over the course of one's life it could feel like you were treated unfairly while others were given a leg up.

It doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that can be productively fought against on an individual level. That such a worldview requires far more than just a motivating incident, but more like a life of personal experience, I don't personally see how to successfully shift someone away from it. Too damned ingrained. Our best bet, in my view, is actually having a proper social safety net that lifts everyone up to a viable baseline from which to pursue their life / liberty / happiness.

newtboysays...

I don't know I would say unartful. Maybe not as racially sensitive as possible.

If the black guys are part of his group, plants if you like, they wouldn't be who he's talking to. Could he have said "Chris, Robert, and Mike, the black guys in the back, would smoke all of you"? Yes. Would it add much to his argument or mean much to his audience? Not really imo.

I'm pretty certain they are part of his group, there as demonstrations, not random participants. If that's correct, they would know his script beforehand and easily could have suggested using their names if it mattered to them.

If they were random participants, as I said, he made quite a gambit based on stereotypes, which isn't smart and is itself racist.

greatgooglymooglysaid:

The message he was trying to make is perfectly valid and worthwhile. He just did an unartful job of making it. If I was one of the guys in the back and we knew each other, I would be insulted to be referred to by my race instead of by name. "Chris, Robert, and Mike over there are faster than you all" comes off a lot more respectful than "those black guys". If he didn't know their names, "those guys in the back" would have been preferable.

And if he is making assumptions, that is exactly why I highlighted his choice of words, to point out that he was making assumptions. Pointing this out doesn't detract from his message that nobody has equal opportunity.

newtboysays...

Yes Bob, learn. I know, you hate the idea.

Like father like son and grandson, and I now see your family has multiple generations of barely passing 8th grade. Now the outrageous ignorance makes sense.

Dad was a failure, eh? Took the welcher's way out and left others to pay his bills like a welfare queen. That happens a lot when you're only as educated as Jethro Clampet but without the rich uncle. In case your confused, that's socialism your family is built on, buddy.

(Btw, I started working at 13, editing teacher's editions of math text books....but I didn't drop out, it was just a summer job)

bobknight33said:

Learn???
My dad started working at 14, His dad never got passed 8th grade.
My dad went bankrupt, had a chronically ill wife ( died in early 40s due to it) and 4 kids.

surfingytsays...

dipshit thinks his story is so unique it deserves some kinda participation trophy. fuck off with that shit, your story is dime a dozen. so whats the difference? this is something bewb can not do but imagine there are others that have the exact same stories as bewb AND were minorities.

newtboysaid:

(Btw, I started working at 13, editing teacher's editions of math text books....but I didn't drop out, it was just a summer job)

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