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siftbot says...

Happy anniversary! Today marks year number 12 since you first became a Sifter and the community is better for having you. Thanks for your contributions!


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Happy anniversary! Today marks year number 11 since you first became a Sifter and the community is better for having you. Thanks for your contributions!


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enoch says...

glad i was cruising the comments,otherwise i would have never seen your reply.(you replied on your own page).

good to hear things are moving forward my friend.be patient,good ideas take a bit of time to take root.

i simply asked because i was impressed with your exchange with newtboy and your subsequent comments.you appear to be taking the far (though slower) tactic of sticking to the facts and dealing with people in a respectful and open-minded manner.

i think that is the best way to go,though it will not garner you the insta-following that hyperbole and drama that many vegans adopt to convey their message.

that only works in the short run,and in the end you will just find yourself preaching to the choir.a rabid,aggressive and morally questionable choir.all residing in an echo chamber,smelling their own farts.

what you are attempting is hard,will take time but ultimately will be beneficial for everybody.the information you are trying to get across is important and you are challenging not only deep set traditions but also the incredibly bad impression many vegans have left in so many people psyche.

nobody wants to listen to a self-righteous person who behaves as if their choices make them the arbiters of morality,kinda like born again christians.they will simply tune you out at best or ridicule you at worst.

who knows?
maybe you could even change my mind!

(although i aint ever giving up bacon,so let that one go)

guess i am just rooting for you because i know the uphill battle you are facing,and am wishing you luck.
stay awesome man!

ps:maybe you could start to post videos to illuminate the subject you are so passionate about? just an idea.

eoe says...

Nice of you to ask. It's just getting started. I had my first meeting about a month ago and had 1 person other than my partner and I. I considered it a success!

I set up a meetup.com group since that now has ~60 members and the next meeting has 10 RSVPs, so I'm optimistic.

What makes you ask?

enoch said:

how is your new advocacy deal going?

Hanover_Phist says...

eoe, thanks for the recommendation. I just finished watching Predestination and adored it. Good call. Truly a great time travel movie. Cheers!

eoe said:

I nominate Predestination as a contemporary, really good (and slightly fucked up) time-travel movie.

Yeah, it has Ethan Hawke, which might turn some off. But is very, very good.

One of the best movies I've seen in a while.

Watch it cold. Don't read anything about it.

eoe says...

I hadn't, but really the science never surprises me. Either it says this sort of stuff, or not... but usually funded by the meat industry in the later case.

For some reason, in my 35 years of existence, I still have not read a single study saying that vegetables and fruit in any shape or form are bad for you. Funny that, huh?

oritteropo says...

Well actually I quite agree with your comment here

It's not me who's attached to bacon (bleh!!!) and steaks, I just know that although eating bacon and deep fried mars bars will (probably) kill you, eating a good diet won't guarantee a long and healthy life either.

eoe said:

I knew this would happen. Talking to you, too, @oritteropo:

I'm leaving it with just this, because people are attached to their bacon and steaks as tightly as they are tied to religion. Perhaps it's again apples to oranges, but I'm guessing a lot of you are the same folks who rant against religion and wonder why people are so stupid and don't look at logic and science, blah blah blah. This is the perfect time to look in the mirror and see a touch of what you're up against. [...]

But if you want to live a nice, long, healthy life where you don't die of a stroke, heart attack, or diabetes by the time you're 65, eat better.

There's a reason why the milk, sugar, meat and pharmaceutical companies pump out study after study about how it's totally fine to eat their shit. They spend so much money on it, it's ridiculous.

Cheers to your health, either way.

oritteropo says...

It's unfortunately quite easy to rebut.

Google "heart disease India" (or any other country with a large percentage of vegetarians).

The problem is more complicated than that single factor. I would personally recommend people eat less meat and more plants, but I can't accept that website's premise. Eating lots of sugar and refined grains for instance is quite bad for coronary health too (and very relevant to India's problems with the disease), and studies have also linked poor dental health with coronary heart disease.

eoe said:

This will undoubtedly stir up a flame war, because it touches upon one of the forbidden topics, but what the hell:

Although there is, indeed, not a vaccination for heart diseases, a plant-based diet, across the board, in studies since, like, the 70s have shown that it basically heart-disease proofs you, not to mention diabetes.

Here's a long 53 minute video that goes over the basics, but the entire webpage has a little under 2,000 videos with a bunch of stats, papers, meta-studies, etc.

In a lot of ways, heart disease is very preventable, and even reversible in some cases, if you stop eating so much damn meat.

But, as stated above, "not eating meat" or "don't tell me what I can and cannot eat!" is up there with religion as far as topics that people get super-defensive about.

It's up you, truly, to determine what's more important: health or food deliciousness. And some people, knowingly, choose food deliciousness. And bless them. You make your own choices.

But also bless them for our ridiculous health care costs.

siftbot says...

Happy belated anniversary! Due to a glitch in the Matrix, we forgot to mark year number 8 since you first became a Sifter. The community wouldn\'t be the same without you. Thanks for your contributions!


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