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Interesting stuff but I gotta wonder what this guy really thinks about black and Latino crime in the States, and if he's holding back on the topic for fear of having his career destroyed.

>> ^jerryku:
Interesting stuff but I gotta wonder what this guy really thinks about black and Latino crime in the States, and if he's holding back on the topic for fear of having his career destroyed.


You bet.

Racial, ethnic and cultural differences are the ultimate black sheep for social scientists and genetic researchers.

They have a lingering paranoia that it's unethical to even consider differences and instead tippy toe around any findings they produce. I think it was Gladwell or perhaps another popular statistician that stumbled upon data so shocking concerning races in America that he intentionally refused to publish the results or even discuss them on camera.

I disagree with Gladwell in that cultures are malleable. Cultures can transform themselves, but to expect a culture to change is ridiculous.

Will a jetliner pilot learn to speak English if he wants to keep his job? Of course.

Is it ethical or even worth consideration to "improve" a culture through injection of xenoethnic aptitudes? Absolutely not.

Cultures will evolve as they see fit. Social engineering is no-one's business, which is why multiculturalism is a failed policy.

I told you to change the title. No upvote until it is so. Also just have to add that I hate the way this guest looks. Can't tell if he is white or black or indian or anything. Way to have an identity ya gay bitch.

Pprt, see where you're going with your comment, and I am pretty much on board. But I don't think he was talking about changing a culture. Maybe I misread him but I think the malleability factor in the context of Korean air was one that related to the language and the general framework of the BUSINESS culture rather than the KOREAN culture itself. The problem was not that the pilots were Korean and therefor had to change their culturally-spawned worldviews in order to become successful, but rather that the nature of the Korean language is such that to "know" the Korean language is supposedly predicated on an appreciation for the social hierarchies. So instead of trying to change their worldviews, they simply asked them to speak English (and whether or not that is a simple request is certainly up for debate, I guess). What this did, as far as I understand, was to simply open up a means for speaking more openly with a superior, which is apparently quite difficult when speaking Korean.

>> ^djhenyo:
I told you to change the title. No upvote until it is so. Also just have to add that I hate the way this guest looks. Can't tell if he is white or black or indian or anything. Way to have an identity ya gay bitch.


Ouch, mr troll-face.

I think you guys are completely off base, but I can't tell because you won't come right out and say what you mean. Race is a made-up social construct, so I am not sure what legitamate scientific data exists linking race and crime.

I think you guys want to say that some scientist discovered that black and latinos are inherent criminals, but is afraid to publish the data.

"Multiculturalism" is simply a rhetorical tool, until someone gives an explicit definition. So, to say "multiculturalism has failed" is to say nothing at all. What exactly has failed?

^

Do you really not get what he is saying? I am not sure Pprt was even alluding to race in the way you are.

I think what he means is that multiculturalism has failed in certain respects because culture is such an innate part of who an individual is that to try and meld cultures together is so radical that it almost denies the meaning of culture itself... I think.

Very interesting.
I don't know how you guys can disagree with prof. Gladwell.
There are going to be bad and good and conditionally ambiguous parts of any culture. I personally would like to see some new ideas injected into Christian and Muslim culture. And I would like to see Asian or German work "ethic" injected into American culture. Why is this not ethical?
Race is not a made-up social construct... culture is. That's why we can change it... and that's why we talk about culture and not race.

Pprt, it's only a matter of time before we can give the left half of the bell curve the cognitive temperament they deserve. It's not really fair for people who's life experience leads them to conclude that they have a temperament in which they "don't like school" or are "social learners." (I think people can change their temperaments if they're motivated, but almost no one does this.)

Nobody wants a society of biological haves and have nots, so socialized access to neurotechnology and reprogenetics will be all but guaranteed. In the meantime, though, cultural efforts like those Gladwell describe are the best option we have. You might have a point in resisting those efforts, but it's not going to look like you were on the right side of history.

It's easy to criticize, it's much hard to shut up.

>> ^djhenyo:
I told you to change the title. No upvote until it is so. Also just have to add that I hate the way this guest looks. Can't tell if he is white or black or indian or anything. Way to have an identity ya gay bitch.

Definitely check out his "Outliers" book if this interests you at all... there are even cooler things he discusses, such as the "lucky" success of the Beatles and Bill Gates.

We social scientists have to talk about cultural differences every day. We face it directly. When I talk about my areas, linguistics and education, I openly categorize people, and nobody listening perceives it as racist because it isn't: Mexcans are more focused on production; Koreans are more focused on learning accuracy; Turks are more focused on giving the correct answer in class. It's only people who aren't listening who automatically jump on the "racist" button as soon as anybody makes any comparison between cultures. This vid has nothing to do with racism.

The topic of this vid is how cultural differences affect performance in different jobs. That's an awesome topic.

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Fascinating. *books. I wish I could stop seeing him as CarrotTop.

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I don't think the video has anything to do with race, and I didn't introduce race into the conversation.

The reason people do hit upon race is because too many people abuse this notion when discussing social research, including social scientists.

>> ^dag:
Fascinating. books. I wish I could stop seeing him as CarrotTop.


I was thinking Sideshow Bob..

Race and Culture are not the same thing. There are black Germans, white Africans, Indian Australians, and Asians with thick Scottish accents.

What he's saying here:
pilots from individualistic cultures - say german, feel comfortable telling the captain; "Your wrong! we need to check again - do something different"

But pilots from Korea feel it is rude to second guess their commander. It is a great offense to make your superior lose face.
He's saying that get's people killed when cultural respect is more important than facts.

It's not racist to say that peoples local customs prevent them from being good at tasks that require them to act 'against' their customs.

For the record, Malcolm Gladwell has hair that awesome because his books are so badass he can do whatever he wants.

Hard work (enforced by parent & teacher Discipline) = Talent.
No sht. We're finally re-discovering what everyone knew 40 years ago.

It's something an entire slacker generation of illiterates, ruined by Montessori method touchyfeelyism, never learned.

Self directed "exploration" my Ass, bring back memorization and flashcards.

it's fun watching people make criticisms of his ideas and try to argue back and forth about what he meant from watching this short video. his book explains his concept ad nauseam. go out and read it, it's worth your while. all the "this guy is a racist" folks will see how race, as opposed to culture, barely enters the discussion on any level. unfortunately, those people will also probably never bother picking up the book.

for the record though, i thought Blink was way better.

The fundamental problem with the hard work ethic is that it dos not necessarily guarantee happiness. Working hard is not necessarily working smart and i think that could be a fundamental issue with people brought up with a work hard ethic. (not 100% of the people but i think it would occur more often) , also just because you worked relay very hard dose not garentie success i think as soon as sum one is truly aware of this fact they would lose motivation with a Pure "work hard" working ethic. work hard ethic works well with MMO games (a fixed definite win per time investment structure) but not in realty which is far to random, and unfair.

In a western culture I think you are more likely to identify that what you are doing is not the most productive or enjoyable method for you , which then allows you to achieve your goals/benefit society faster, or more importantly allows you to enjoy your life more.

for me the only point of existence is enjoyment + aiding enjoyment of others , so I think fundamental to that is that people are doing jobs they enjoy or find ways to make jobs they don't enjoy enjoyable.


on a separate note Do people watch documentaries about cultures and languages and they are always saying how bad it is that cultures die out It really annoys me, i think its fantastic that cultures die out , so long as we preserve A memory of that culture and lern the aspects of it that were actualy good ( which normaly hapens naturaly anny way) then its fantastic that an old culture dies out , I mean if only shitty ideas like religion would hurry up and die out. the memory of a culture should live on for ever and so long as a better culture exists the old practice is welcome to die a horable death

>> ^westy:
...i think its fantastic that cultures die out , so long as we preserve A memory of that culture and lern the aspects of it that were actualy good ( which normaly hapens naturaly anny way) then its fantastic that an old culture dies out , I mean if only shitty ideas like religion would hurry up and die out. the memory of a culture should live on for ever and so long as a better culture exists the old practice is welcome to die a horable death


I gathered as much (that you're a cultural nihilist), however it is still unsettling to see it black on white.

why is it unsettling ? I don't care if black culture/skin is no longer practiced/disappears any more or less than if white culture skin color no longer existed / was practiced. just shove photographs and writings in a musiim so whatever can be learned from the past can be learned and move on.

Within the next 60 years i think its likely that people will distance themselves from there physical entity of flesh to some existent , maby we will be able to separate ourselves from our body , evan if we are still locked into our bodies i can see a large number of people exsperanceing alot through vertual reality where u interact fully with people in some invented world. its alredy happning now to some exstent with internet chat MMO,s only its just shit at the moment with exstremily limited interactivty and sences.

once we can exist outside of our born bodies race prejudice will seem Evan more absurd.

>> ^djhenyo:
I told you to change the title. No upvote until it is so. Also just have to add that I hate the way this guest looks. Can't tell if he is white or black or indian or anything. Way to have an identity ya gay bitch.

Ban please...

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>> ^EndAll:
>> ^dag:
Fascinating. books. I wish I could stop seeing him as CarrotTop.

I was thinking Sideshow Bob..


A bit of Phil Specter as well.

Interesting theory, but I wonder why he didn't mention the Japanese. Their language and society are _exactly_ like he described, and yet they have far fewer crashes.

^ Japanise has had way way way way way more western influence than south and north Korea. I could easily see Japanese culture being quite distinct, he also emphasized the language aspect of it , Japanese have a good deal of historical respect but im not sure if its built into the language to the same extent as Korean.

>> ^dag
I was thinking Sideshow Bob.
A bit of Phil Specter as well.


It's William Fichtner doing Art Garfunkel.

It's an interesting argument, but I read an analysis of Outliers which showed that Gladwell completely botched the story of the Korean Airlines flight.

So I don't trust anything he says on the topic.

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>> ^calculadoru:
Interesting theory, but I wonder why he didn't mention the Japanese. Their language and society are _exactly_ like he described, and yet they have far fewer crashes.


go ahead and mistake a japanese person for a Korean and see what happens.
go ahead..i dare ya..
just dont be surprised if im walking very briskly in the other direction.
same with mistaking a columbian for a mexican,or belgium with french.
cultural distinctions carry with them a certain pride and this video does not indicate any racism but rather a static social order than in the case of flying a plane can do more damage than good.

>> ^enoch:
>> ^calculadoru:
Interesting theory, but I wonder why he didn't mention the Japanese. Their language and society are _exactly_ like he described, and yet they have far fewer crashes.

go ahead and mistake a japanese person for a Korean and see what happens.
go ahead..i dare ya..
I don't think he's suggesting the Japanese and Koreans are interchangeable, I think he's suggesting that their culture and language share common traits, especially with respect to the salient points of Prof. Gladwell's theory here.

>> ^djhenyo:
I told you to change the title. No upvote until it is so. Also just have to add that I hate the way this guest looks. Can't tell if he is white or black or indian or anything. Way to have an identity ya gay bitch.


Can someone unban djhenyo please? I want to downvote him too!

>> ^HaricotVert:
Definitely check out his "Outliers" book if this interests you at all... there are even cooler things he discusses, such as the "lucky" success of the Beatles and Bill Gates.


Just finished this book a couple days ago. He explains this theory much better in writing than he does verbally. Really an amazing book.

>> ^enoch:
>> ^calculadoru:
Interesting theory, but I wonder why he didn't mention the Japanese. Their language and society are _exactly_ like he described, and yet they have far fewer crashes.

go ahead and mistake a japanese person for a Korean and see what happens.
go ahead..i dare ya..
just dont be surprised if im walking very briskly in the other direction.
same with mistaking a columbian for a mexican,or belgium with french.
cultural distinctions carry with them a certain pride and this video does not indicate any racism but rather a static social order than in the case of flying a plane can do more damage than good.

But just because they see these small minute differences that they exaggerate and through a form of tribalism, feel superior and offended if they are considered another race/culture, doesn't make them that much different. I can't tell the different between a Laotian and a Viet but they can...and to them the differences could be vast even though many of their culture is very similiar (language,foods,music). Colombians and mexicans? I dated a colombian broad and she was one of the most racist people I know...she hated Mexicans, more than rednecks do. She even disliked Argentinians...I promise you'll be hardpressed to find many differences between those two peoples. The point is, people exaggerate their differences. I dare you to compare me to a Texan...

>> ^westy:
why is it unsettling ? I don't care if black culture/skin is no longer practiced/disappears any more or less than if white culture skin color no longer existed / was practiced. just shove photographs and writings in a musiim so whatever can be learned from the past can be learned and move on.
Within the next 60 years i think its likely that people will distance themselves from there physical entity of flesh to some existent , maby we will be able to separate ourselves from our body , evan if we are still locked into our bodies i can see a large number of people exsperanceing alot through vertual reality where u interact fully with people in some invented world. its alredy happning now to some exstent with internet chat MMO,s only its just shit at the moment with exstremily limited interactivty and sences.
once we can exist outside of our born bodies race prejudice will seem Evan more absurd.


But let's be realistic. Most Americans would prefer black skin and culture to be eradicated before white skin and culture is eradicated.

>> ^Payback:
>> ^djhenyo:
I told you to change the title. No upvote until it is so. Also just have to add that I hate the way this guest looks. Can't tell if he is white or black or indian or anything. Way to have an identity ya gay bitch.

Can someone unban djhenyo please? I want to downvote him too!


I wouldn't be surprised if Djhenyo was of Korean background and got frustrated with the topic title. I also feel that if this video had been "Why Blacks Don't Make the Best Scientists" or something like that, it wouldn't have gotten so many upvotes, no matter how gently it was argued in the video. So there's a double standard at play here too. I would love to be proved wrong though. There are probably thousands of videos online that argue that black Americans are culturally incapable of becoming good at many careers. Perhaps we can put them in the Sift and see how they fare? Heck, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have made careers arguing similar views.

Also, culture and race very much influence each other, so I don't think it makes any sense to try and separate the two into distinct camps. It's very difficult for a black woman to feel more than politely welcome in any white social setting, for example. Black women simply aren't considered as attractive as white women, as a whole, so the end result is that white women are going to be more influenced by the opinions of white men than black women, simply due to increased contact. You can't assimilate something you find unattractive and thus avoid, which means cultural messages cannot be as easily transferred between the two parties.

Look at all the "check out this video of sexy girls!" videos that make the Top ranks of Videosift, and you pretty much only see white and East Asian women. White men are not as interested in black women as they are white and East Asian women, so how can black women possibly adapt the same culture as white men or women?

It's fascinating someone actually has to write a book to basically say:

"Different cultures mean different forms of behavior"

Oh shit really?

I work every day in the Korean public education system, and it does get a little exasperating when a superior has made a clearly poor decision and there is no kosher way of challenging it. Generally I love the place but some times it gets hard having to just grin and say "what ever you think is best임니다아아아"

Here is a parallel example: In the Arab culture you will never hear any one tell you directly No. They will always say Inshallah, which means God willing. It is extremely annoying for a foreigner to understand initially.

When can I get my residency? Inshallah! What about my salary? Inshallah? And so on. The entire issue is asking the questions in way that would only present yes and no answers.

My friend's comments on the content itself:

I have never heard anyone be so full of shit before. Look at the NTSB site for their review of crashes. None of them are actually caused by 'co-pilot to afraid to speak up'. Most (almost 100%) are caused by parts failure or training error:

- using the aileron on an A320 like you would in a B767 . http://www.airdisaster.com/news/1004/26/news.shtml

- Birds flying in to the engine (Miracle on the Hudson)

- Entertainment system burning up (the new entertainment system they installed caught fire, smoldered, light the 'inflamable' fire protection on fire which burned so hot it melted the flight controls)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

- Maintenance crew not putting an engine on right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

- Shot down by russians:
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=09011983®=HL7442&airline=Korean+Air+Lines

Also, Korean Airlines hasn't had a crash since 1999. Also, throughout the whole of the 90s (where malcom says they were the most dangerous airline) had 6 crashes. Whereas Aeroflot had 13 crashes, I mean, American Airlines (the airline not all american airlines) had 6 crashes from 1990 to 2001.

So basically this guy is using the recent plane crashes to sell his damn book. What a douchebag.

If a hierarchical language can be shown to correlate to more plane crashes per capita, I can't help but wonder what other subtleties of language and culture (of which we are largely or completely unaware...) are holding us back from true progress.