Ecuador's Got Talent Bullies 16 Yr Old Atheist

Apparently in Ecuador, to pass a selection in a tv show, is very important to believe in God.
Mordhaussays...

Apparently when she passed the pre-audition, they asked her religion. She said 'none' and then she thinks the judges scripted it so that she would be made an object lesson.

Here is a sample of her singing.


newtboysays...

What ugly bullying.
Wasn't someone trying to convince me on another thread just today that Christians don't do this (and worse) anymore, and that my similar experiences as a child in Texas being treated as an anathema for honestly admitting my lack of faith was the exception rather than the rule? I'm sad to see that that is not true, and the bullying and unfair treatment by authority is alive and well and so popular in some places that people think nothing of bullying children on national television and disqualifying them from a talent competition for their private beliefs, and apparently even get the poor kid's parent's support for their derisions and admonitions.
*quality example of what I feel and fear is normal Christian "love and acceptance" of others.
I only wish she had said "I don't just believe in things that I have no evidence for because other people do." or something else sounding thoughtful and well considered rather than 'I've just never had anything to believe'. That sounds naïve rather than thoughtful to me, even if I agree with her conclusion.
I loved her answer to what happens after you die, it's like Stan said on Southpark....it's probably much like it was before you were born....nothing.

siftbotsays...

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harlequinnsays...

They were dicks, no question about it.

But don't paint all Christians with the same brush because of your own experiences or from watching this. Some people are dicks, no matter their religion, or lack thereof.

newtboysaid:

What ugly bullying.
Wasn't someone trying to convince me on another thread just today that Christians don't do this (and worse) anymore, and that my similar experiences as a child in Texas being treated as an anathema for honestly admitting my lack of faith was the exception rather than the rule? I'm sad to see that that is not true, and the bullying and unfair treatment by authority is alive and well and so popular in some places that people think nothing of bullying children on national television and disqualifying them from a talent competition for their private beliefs, and apparently even get the poor kid's parent's support for their derisions and admonitions.
*quality example of what I feel and fear is normal Christian "love and acceptance" of others.
I only wish she had said "I don't just believe in things that I have no evidence for because other people do." or something else sounding thoughtful and well considered rather than 'I've just never had anything to believe'. That sounds naïve rather than thoughtful to me, even if I agree with her conclusion.
I loved her answer to what happens after you die, it's like Stan said on Southpark....it's probably much like it was before you were born....nothing.

Jinxsays...

Not really. You don't ask what peoples beliefs are at a job interview, why would you do it here? And asking her to seek faith? It would be no better than panel of Muslims suggesting to a Christian competitor that they should convert to Islam.

Frankly the overwhelming feeling I was detecting from the panel was fear. It was as if the slaves were trying to convince the rebel to shut up lest master hear and give them all the cane. Love is not a command to be obeyed.

bobknight33said:

Asking is fair enough.
Asking for her to seek faith is fair enough.

But to dog her is not.

Khufusays...

I felt like when the judge asked "do you believe in god?" she was expecting a "yes" and she was going to say something like "well he's with you tonight because YOU MADE IT!!!" but when the girl said no, she had nowhere to go with her line of questioning that would make any sense, so she turned it into a lesson.

Imagine if she had said "yes!", would the judge have then said "well good for you but you still didn't make it." Probably not. This was straight up discrimination.

Jinxsaid:

Not really. You don't ask what peoples beliefs are at a job interview, why would you do it here? And asking her to seek faith? It would be no better than panel of Muslims suggesting to a Christian competitor that they should convert to Islam.

Frankly the overwhelming feeling I was detecting from the panel was fear. It was as if the slaves were trying to convince the rebel to shut up lest master hear and give them all the cane. Love is not a command to be obeyed.

ChaosEnginesays...

What do you expect? These kinds of shows are designed to belittle people.

They might be called "X's got talent", but what they really mean is "most people have fuck all talent, let's have a laugh at them".

It's gutter TV.

newtboysays...

I don't disagree, but there is a big difference between ridiculing someone for a mistaken belief that they are talented and questioning their personal beliefs publicly and ridiculing and discriminating against them based on their answers/beliefs. I thought this crossed the line big time, not that they're know for being respectful in the first place.

ChaosEnginesaid:

What do you expect? These kinds of shows are designed to belittle people.

They might be called "X's got talent", but what they really mean is "most people have fuck all talent, let's have a laugh at them".

It's gutter TV.

bobknight33says...

Its not a job interview. It is a game show.

Jinxsaid:

Not really. You don't ask what peoples beliefs are at a job interview, why would you do it here? And asking her to seek faith? It would be no better than panel of Muslims suggesting to a Christian competitor that they should convert to Islam.

Frankly the overwhelming feeling I was detecting from the panel was fear. It was as if the slaves were trying to convince the rebel to shut up lest master hear and give them all the cane. Love is not a command to be obeyed.

Sketchsays...

And EVERYONE was in on it! How f'ing horrific!? How can we expect to fix any of the problems in the world, if we can't come to grips with what we are as evolved, biological animals in a fragile ecosystem on a lonely rock spaceship who thrive in communities; and not as some divinely created children of some imaginary wizard authority.

How about at least letting the girl take pride in her own skills and effort instead of needing to thank God for doing nothing.

poolcleanersays...

My experiences are in direct conflict with your worldview and opinion of the kindness of some Christians. Judged at my own wedding reception in beautiful, nonjudgmental southern california, I was called out and asked if I believed in Jesus and I said no. Why would I say otherwise if it was not true?

Not all of the Christians in our families objected, but many of them did. In fact, many of them refused to be a part of our marriage and begged my wife to leave me. Since then, no one speaks to me on a personal level. They might not have all openly judged me but I'm practically an exile. A thought criminal unfit to converse with on topics of church and state. All of the christians in my life are guilty of this shunning.

The sad thing is, I never make it a big deal (other than when I post my thoughts onto the internet -- where I dump all of my problems) and I don't challenge the beliefs of the people I love -- but they sure do.

You aren't wrong in your logic that not all xtians are judgmental, but you're wrong in your overemphasis of it. Christians need no defender of the faith because God is on their side.

In my own experience and social strata, almost all Christians commit some form of microaggression or judgement upon my lack of faith. Even my wife can't help but occasionally sprinkle a bit of the ol' christian guilt upon my head from time to time. And then she has the gall to talk to me about Christians being treated unfairly.

But that's my life, not yours. I'm sure your flavor of Christ worship is much less judgmental. I don't believe it, but maybe in time I will meet one of these majestic nonjudgemental Christians who don't constantly believe the rest of us will burn in hell for all eternity while they frolic in the basking glow of a jealous, hating God. Sorry, loving... I'm sure it's only love and not a pyschopath's Barbie playset made entirely of humans enslaved to an all powerful being capable of anything.

harlequinnsaid:

They were dicks, no question about it.

But don't paint all Christians with the same brush because of your own experiences or from watching this. Some people are dicks, no matter their religion, or lack thereof.

newtboysays...

Close, but not quite. Read it again.

"Due to the position taken by actress Maria Fernanda Rios during various interactions on the show, which are not in line with those of the channel, she will no longer have screen presence and her contract will be terminated at the end of the series."

The judge is not going to have her contract renewed AFTER THE END OF THE SERIES. Not even at the end of this season, so she wasn't fired at all, and not a thing happened to the other judges, or the announcer that all joined in. At least they (allegedly) took her off camera, but apparently she's still working with them off screen as long as they exist as a show.

mystiqsaid:

The judge was fired. And, this happened September last year.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ecuadors-talent-judge-sacked-after-6810434

harlequinnsays...

Some true arsehattery right there. It's shameful you were treated that way.

On my behalf, please tell them to go eat a bag of dicks.

America is mainly Protestant Christians. Check out Orthodox Christians (the original form of Christianity from which all other versions are schisms). They do not believe in some place called hell.

poolcleanersaid:

My experiences are in direct conflict with your worldview and opinion of the kindness of some Christians.

...................

I'm sure it's only love and not a pyschopath's Barbie playset made entirely of humans enslaved to an all powerful being capable of anything.

dannym3141says...

It's a talent contest, not a game show.

Don't you just hate it when you don't have a point so you try to be priggish and correct someone on a technicality ....but you get it wrong?

bobknight33said:

Its not a job interview. It is a game show.

Zawashsays...

Depends - is it "(she will no longer have screen presence and her contract will be terminated) at the end of the series" or "she will no longer have screen presence and (her contract will be terminated at the end of the series)"?

But - if they took her off camera it was a partial win for justice, at least.

newtboysaid:

Close, but not quite. Read it again.

"Due to the position taken by actress Maria Fernanda Rios during various interactions on the show, which are not in line with those of the channel, she will no longer have screen presence and her contract will be terminated at the end of the series."

The judge is not going to have her contract renewed AFTER THE END OF THE SERIES. Not even at the end of this season, so she wasn't fired at all, and not a thing happened to the other judges, or the announcer that all joined in. At least they (allegedly) took her off camera, but apparently she's still working with them off screen as long as they exist as a show.

newtboysays...

My 46 year experience with 'christians' is a near mirror of your reception.
I have never met a single christian that was not overtly judgmental, derisive, and eventually dismissive because of my lack of faith in their religion, including family. Not a single one. I think the fallacy of 'christian love and acceptance' is just that, a fallacy they tell themselves about themselves in an effort to ignore and/or excuse their own self righteous and divisive actions...likely many truly believe it.

I try to not judge people who live their lives based on the perceived whim of an invisible friend, but it's nearly impossible since they all seem to act like judgmental infantile morons. I'm also waiting to meet one of these loving, non judgmental christians, but of the thousands upon thousands of self professed devout christians I've met in my lifetime, not a single truly tolerant one has presented itself (although they aren't all rude about it)....I have come to the conclusion that, if they EVER existed in the US, they were mostly murdered by the 'christian right wing', and any left are in hiding, fearing for their lives.

poolcleanersaid:

My experiences are in direct conflict with your worldview and opinion of the kindness of some Christians. Judged at my own wedding reception in beautiful, nonjudgmental southern california, I was called out and asked if I believed in Jesus and I said no. Why would I say otherwise if it was not true?

Not all of the Christians in our families objected, but many of them did. In fact, many of them refused to be a part of our marriage and begged my wife to leave me. Since then, no one speaks to me on a personal level. They might not have all openly judged me but I'm practically an exile. A thought criminal unfit to converse with on topics of church and state. All of the christians in my life are guilty of this shunning.

The sad thing is, I never make it a big deal (other than when I post my thoughts onto the internet -- where I dump all of my problems) and I don't challenge the beliefs of the people I love -- but they sure do.

You aren't wrong in your logic that not all xtians are judgmental, but you're wrong in your overemphasis of it. Christians need no defender of the faith because God is on their side.

In my own experience and social strata, almost all Christians commit some form of microaggression or judgement upon my lack of faith. Even my wife can't help but occasionally sprinkle a bit of the ol' christian guilt upon my head from time to time. And then she has the gall to talk to me about Christians being treated unfairly.

But that's my life, not yours. I'm sure your flavor of Christ worship is much less judgmental. I don't believe it, but maybe in time I will meet one of these majestic nonjudgemental Christians who don't constantly believe the rest of us will burn in hell for all eternity while they frolic in the basking glow of a jealous, hating God. Sorry, loving... I'm sure it's only love and not a pyschopath's Barbie playset made entirely of humans enslaved to an all powerful being capable of anything.

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