finish the song! "...nagila!"

tis what it is, and it even sounds like a herd of sheep.

Me dumb, no get it

>> ^rottenseed:

finish the song! "...nagila!"

I'm so jealous of their hats....

I guess being really annoying is not considered work...

>> ^ponceleon:

I guess being really annoying is not considered work...


See I don't mind the christians in america...they aren't bothering me while I'm working or trying to do stuff on a Sunday. These mother fuckers should get the shit kicked out of them though. So I guess what I'm saying is I hate Jews.

Oh @Yogi bear, you do love yourself some hyperbole.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^ponceleon:
I guess being really annoying is not considered work...

See I don't mind the christians in america...they aren't bothering me while I'm working or trying to do stuff on a Sunday. These mother fuckers should get the shit kicked out of them though. So I guess what I'm saying is I hate Jews.

"Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!"

And you posted this on Sunday? That's the Sabbath!--oh wait--that's Saturday.

I'm so confused, I guess I'll go to church and ask my Rabbi.

>> ^hpqp:

Oh @Yogi bear, you do love yourself some hyperbole.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^ponceleon:
I guess being really annoying is not considered work...

See I don't mind the christians in america...they aren't bothering me while I'm working or trying to do stuff on a Sunday. These mother fuckers should get the shit kicked out of them though. So I guess what I'm saying is I hate Jews.



Obviously we got off to a bad start so now you're being jokey and nice with me. Please leave me alone. Don't comment on my comments...just leave me alone please.

EDIT: Nevermind I found the ignore button...fuck off.

Hava... hava tequila.>> ^rottenseed:

finish the song! "...nagila!"

Huge numbers of Israel's orthodox Jews get all their expenses (including their high fertility rate) supported by the Israeli state for "religious study," so they not only don't work on Sundays, but not on any day ever.

On the other hand, Israel builds things like particle accelerators and does a disproportionate amount of the world's scientific output, so it's easy to see that they still get a lot done, but they've got a lot of dead-weight to in the form of the parasites in this video.

Ya know there's probably a camp where we can put these people.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'orthodox jews, jerusalem, sabbath, ten commandments' to 'orthodox jews, jerusalem, sabbath, ten commandments, shabbat' - edited by xxovercastxx

If you're curious what is actually forbidden during Shabbat, here's a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat

#9 is sifting so there better not be any new videos next weekend.

>> ^Yogi:

Ya know there's probably a camp where we can put these people.
I heard your mother is really mature? Is that true?

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^Yogi:
Ya know there's probably a camp where we can put these people.
I heard your mother is really mature? Is that true?


No...cause she's dead.

These guys are creepy as hell.

The irony being those are Arab stall workers...

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

The irony being those are Arab stall workers...
why is it ironic?

Bah ram ewe!

Because their kind rarely acknowledges non-jews (and especially Arabs) as, well, pretty much anything, let alone bother shouting 'Shabes' at them which is a form of religious preaching (they're 'protesting' the workers doing manual labor during Shabat...).

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^NinjaInHeat:
The irony being those are Arab stall workers...
why is it ironic?

catchy tune

I don't see 'operating a pallet jack' on that list.
>> ^xxovercastxx:

If you're curious what is actually forbidden during Shabbat, here's a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat
#9 is sifting so there better not be any new videos next weekend.

Serenade? - I'd say Harassment!

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

Because their kind rarely acknowledges non-jews (and especially Arabs) as, well, pretty much anything, let alone bother shouting 'Shabes' at them which is a form of religious preaching (they're 'protesting' the workers doing manual labor during Shabat...).
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^NinjaInHeat:
The irony being those are Arab stall workers...
why is it ironic?

in "their country" they demand that everybody respect "their godly laws", regardless of religion. i still don't see irony here.

>> ^Nexxus:

I don't see 'operating a pallet jack' on that list.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
If you're curious what is actually forbidden during Shabbat, here's a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat
#9 is sifting so there better not be any new videos next weekend.



This sort of thing would be forbidden as "Transferring between domains". Driving the truck would also be forbidden as it violates "Igniting a fire". Some would also argue that it violates the spirit of the law as it is controlling one's environment, which is what all of these rules are meant to forbid.

>> ^Sagemind:

Serenade? - I'd say Harassment!
you say potato, i say banana.

@mxxcon
A local would expect this sort of chanting to be directed at Jews, seeing it directed at Arabs is unexpected, thus - IRONY!

Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't fucking ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as shit don't fucking roll!

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^NinjaInHeat:
Because their kind rarely acknowledges non-jews (and especially Arabs) as, well, pretty much anything, let alone bother shouting 'Shabes' at them which is a form of religious preaching (they're 'protesting' the workers doing manual labor during Shabat...).
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^NinjaInHeat:
The irony being those are Arab stall workers...
why is it ironic?

in "their country" they demand that everybody respect "their godly laws", regardless of religion. i still don't see irony here.


While Ninja is partially correct, I believe their "Baaaaaaaing" primitive criticism is designated towards the sanctity of the market than to any other issue (among many) that might offend them.

...and of course, forcing their religion on others is not considered 'controlling one's environment'. This is typical of religious nutjobs, it's the 'god made these rules, everyone must follow them, regardless of your religion, unless they interfere with what me and my kind want to do, then YOU must continue to follow MY religious rules while I may do what I want' mindset...and they wonder why there's rampant anti semitism in the world, they should maybe try some self examination before passing their skewed judgement on everyone else.
Why are we sending these nutjobs our tax dollars? Can anyone possibly give me a reasonable explanation for this beyond 'they're are friends'? If they can't survive on their own in the land they stole, perhaps they should leave.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^Nexxus:
I don't see 'operating a pallet jack' on that list.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
If you're curious what is actually forbidden during Shabbat, here's a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat
#9 is sifting so there better not be any new videos next weekend.


This sort of thing would be forbidden as "Transferring between domains". Driving the truck would also be forbidden as it violates "Igniting a fire". Some would also argue that it violates the spirit of the law as it is controlling one's environment, which is what all of these rules are meant to forbid.

Joke's on them. Singing is work, bitches!

>> ^newtboy:

...and of course, forcing their religion on others is not considered 'controlling one's environment'. This is typical of religious nutjobs, it's the 'god made these rules, everyone must follow them, regardless of your religion, unless they interfere with what me and my kind want to do, then YOU must continue to follow MY religious rules while I may do what I want' mindset...and they wonder why there's rampant anti semitism in the world, they should maybe try some self examination before passing their skewed judgement on everyone else.
Why are we sending these nutjobs our tax dollars? Can anyone possibly give me a reasonable explanation for this beyond 'they're are friends'? If they can't survive on their own in the land they stole, perhaps they should leave.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^Nexxus:
I don't see 'operating a pallet jack' on that list.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
If you're curious what is actually forbidden during Shabbat, here's a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat
#9 is sifting so there better not be any new videos next weekend.


This sort of thing would be forbidden as "Transferring between domains". Driving the truck would also be forbidden as it violates "Igniting a fire". Some would also argue that it violates the spirit of the law as it is controlling one's environment, which is what all of these rules are meant to forbid.

well, antisemitism affects all Jews, where as these are some of the more 'hardcore' fanatics. just like you shouldn't equate terrorists to all Christians or Muslims.

Its terrible that all I can think of when watching this is Louie talking about Shindlers list and the little girl yelling.......

Christians won't let me buy beer on Sunday.>> ^Yogi:

>> ^ponceleon:
I guess being really annoying is not considered work...

See I don't mind the christians in america...they aren't bothering me while I'm working or trying to do stuff on a Sunday. These mother fuckers should get the shit kicked out of them though. So I guess what I'm saying is I hate Jews.

I disagree and here's why, since the Jews have a religious state, and that state supports these fanatics financially and militarily, ALL Jews (or at least all Israelites and Zionists, and sadly all American tax payers since we send them billions of our tax dollars) support these fanatics, and should be lumped in with them until they stop their blind support for dangerous, fanatical religious zealots. Remember, these are the people still settling in the agreed on Palestinian held areas and then getting military support to keep their freshly stolen property, and Israel refuses to stop supporting the 'settlers' (which should rightly be called 'invaders').
Why doesn't the US, as a supporter of Israel and a believer in borders, tell them to stop expanding into their neighbors territories? I just don't understand OUR support of THEIR expansionist agenda at all.
Side note: If your 'god' gives you the right to take from others or hurt others, your 'god' is evil, and so are you. If your 'god' gives you the right to harass and terrorize others, your 'god' and religion are terroristic. I think this holds water for every religion that allows prostelatizing or demands adherence to their 'rules' by non-believers, they are all terroristic to those not part of their group to some degree.

>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^newtboy:
...and of course, forcing their religion on others is not considered 'controlling one's environment'. This is typical of religious nutjobs, it's the 'god made these rules, everyone must follow them, regardless of your religion, unless they interfere with what me and my kind want to do, then YOU must continue to follow MY religious rules while I may do what I want' mindset...and they wonder why there's rampant anti semitism in the world, they should maybe try some self examination before passing their skewed judgement on everyone else.
Why are we sending these nutjobs our tax dollars? Can anyone possibly give me a reasonable explanation for this beyond 'they're are friends'? If they can't survive on their own in the land they stole, perhaps they should leave.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^Nexxus:
I don't see 'operating a pallet jack' on that list.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
If you're curious what is actually forbidden during Shabbat, here's a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat
#9 is sifting so there better not be any new videos next weekend.


This sort of thing would be forbidden as "Transferring between domains". Driving the truck would also be forbidden as it violates "Igniting a fire". Some would also argue that it violates the spirit of the law as it is controlling one's environment, which is what all of these rules are meant to forbid.

well, antisemitism affects all Jews, where as these are some of the more 'hardcore' fanatics. just like you shouldn't equate terrorists to all Christians or Muslims.

>> ^KnivesOut:

Christians won't let me buy beer on Sunday.>> ^Yogi:
>> ^ponceleon:
I guess being really annoying is not considered work...

See I don't mind the christians in america...they aren't bothering me while I'm working or trying to do stuff on a Sunday. These mother fuckers should get the shit kicked out of them though. So I guess what I'm saying is I hate Jews.



That would be an example of them being a bother...and they should fuck off.

>> ^thatavguy:

Its terrible that all I can think of when watching this is Louie talking about Shindlers list and the little girl yelling.......


"GOODBYE JEWS!!!"

@newtboy and others:

There are "Jews" (ethnic group, akin to "Arabs") and there are "Jews" (religious adherents, akin to "Muslims").

It's important to keep this distinction in mind.

Can you explain the distinction as it applies to this conversation? In Israel they are considered the same thing as far as I can tell, and they make no distinction between the ethnicity and religion, only the sect of the religion. Any Israeli is required to be a Jew by religion and ethnicity from what I've read. Perhaps this perception is wrong, but it is certainly a common perception.
In fact, is it not the 'inherited religious legacy' that is the main difference between the 'Arabs' and the 'Jews' descended from the Eastern Mediterranean? They certainly look similar as ethnicities, and come from the same place, so what's the real ethnic difference? Could you not have just as easily said "...(ethnic group related to "Arabs")"?>> ^hpqp:
@newtboy and others:
There are "Jews" (ethnic group, akin to "Arabs") and there are "Jews" (religious adherents, akin to "Muslims").
It's important to keep this distinction in mind.

>> ^lavoll:

catchy tune


It might be if someone autotuned it.

@newtboy

If we go back far enough, we are all Africans; ethnic distinctions happen to take the history of peoples' migrations into account. Yes, ethnic Jews are Arabs (or vice-versa) just like most Australians, Americans and Canadians are Europeans, except instead of colonisation it is the Jewish diaspora that is the cause for their break from their "land of origins".

Antisemitism is racism against Jews (ethnic group), whether they be religious or not. I fully disagree with Israel's politics and their funding by Americans (speaking of which, you do know, I hope, that they are above all funded/supported by fundie evangelicals, don't you?) for the purpose of colonisation, but to lump all (ethnic) Jews/Israelis (that's a nationality btw) together saying that they support this is about as ridiculous as saying that all Chinese in China and around the world support the communist government in China just because they're Chinese.

That being said, I agree entirely that the religious justifications over land - from both sides btw - is ridiculous and dangerous. "My prophet died here so it's my land!" Ugh.

"Haappy! Haaaappy! Happy!..."

http://youtu.be/wleJmrlbsMc?t=54s


>> ^laura:

"Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!"

@hpqp"ethnic Jews are Arabs"

Genetic studies find the majority of European Jews' ancestry is European. A small number of male Jewish traders settled in Europe in the middle ages or Roman times and took European wives.

Also, European Jews experienced an interesting divergent evolutionary environment during their time separated from the progenitor population, so even if they weren't a mix of European & Middle Eastern ancestry, they'd be their own unique population.

I like how "extinguishing a fire" is on the list of forbidden work on the Sabbath. Makes me hope they DO convert everyone to follow in their ways (at least in their neighbourhoods).

Hypothesis:

The funny hats and incessant shouting is the result of their devotion to their ancient war god.

The particle accelerator and Nobel prizes are the result of their persecution.

Necessity is the mother of invention

...or am I completely talking out of my ass?

Yeah sure, we're all 'Africans', but that designation intentionally ignores the evolution of the species and differentiation since the second great migration, (the first was the aborigines, genetically different from the second wave) and so intentionally ignores 'ethnicity' as a concept.
True, the scattering of the 'Jews' (ethnic term intended here) has changed them from the other 'Arabs' they originally were to the mixed ethnicity they are now, making them slightly different from the Arabs of the region today. Shouldn't the fact that their ethnicity has been diluted also dilute their claim to their ancestral lands (as if such a claim should hold water anyway, if your ancestors lost the land, it's lost, right)?
anti-Semitism is what results from the miss-application of anti-Zionism in many cases (including for me sometimes). For me, it is NEVER an ethnic issue, always a religolitical (religious/political)issue that causes the dislike of the group.
All Israelis are Zionists by definition and action, I suppose this is not true for ALL Jews (of either definition) but is the public position of their 'church' and their ethnic leadership as well. I feel fairly safe saying it's the position held by nearly all Orthodox Jews, but that might be wrong, I don't know many. That makes them a completely different animal from the Chinese, where many in China actively don't support their government or even their system of government, but are forced to stay in China and work for it. No Israeli is forced to live in Israel, it's 100% by choice.
I do understand that in large part, the 'fundamentalist Christians' (and also American Jewish Zionists) are to blame for us funding and supporting Israel, I hope I misread and you don't think they foot the bill too, we all do.
Can we agree that religious justifications for ANY otherwise bad act are wrong, and reinforce the idea that religion itself is wrong and bad?>> ^hpqp:
@newtboy
If we go back far enough, we are all Africans; ethnic distinctions happen to take the history of peoples' migrations into account. Yes, ethnic Jews are Arabs (or vice-versa) just like most Australians, Americans and Canadians are Europeans, except instead of colonisation it is the Jewish diaspora that is the cause for their break from their "land of origins".
Antisemitism is racism against Jews (ethnic group), whether they be religious or not. I fully disagree with Israel's politics and their funding by Americans (speaking of which, you do know, I hope, that they are above all funded/supported by fundie evangelicals, don't you?) for the purpose of colonisation, but to lump all (ethnic) Jews/Israelis (that's a nationality btw) together saying that they support this is about as ridiculous as saying that all Chinese in China and around the world support the communist government in China just because they're Chinese.
That being said, I agree entirely that the religious justifications over land - from both sides btw - is ridiculous and dangerous. "My prophet died here so it's my land!" Ugh.

@newtboy
"All Israelis are Zionists by definition and action..."

What about the children born in Israel to Jewish parents?

>> ^newtboy:

Yeah sure, we're all 'Africans', but that designation intentionally ignores the evolution of the species and differentiation since the second great migration, (the first was the aborigines, genetically different from the second wave) and so intentionally ignores 'ethnicity' as a concept.
True, the scattering of the 'Jews' (ethnic term intended here) has changed them from the other 'Arabs' they originally were to the mixed ethnicity they are now, making them slightly different from the Arabs of the region today. Shouldn't the fact that their ethnicity has been diluted also dilute their claim to their ancestral lands (as if such a claim should hold water anyway, if your ancestors lost the land, it's lost, right)?
anti-Semitism is what results from the miss-application of anti-Zionism in many cases (including for me sometimes). For me, it is NEVER an ethnic issue, always a religolitical (religious/political)issue that causes the dislike of the group.
All Israelis are Zionists by definition and action, I suppose this is not true for ALL Jews (of either definition) but is the public position of their 'church' and their ethnic leadership as well. I feel fairly safe saying it's the position held by nearly all Orthodox Jews, but that might be wrong, I don't know many. That makes them a completely different animal from the Chinese, where many in China actively don't support their government or even their system of government, but are forced to stay in China and work for it. No Israeli is forced to live in Israel, it's 100% by choice.
I do understand that in large part, the 'fundamentalist Christians' (and also American Jewish Zionists) are to blame for us funding and supporting Israel, I hope I misread and you don't think they foot the bill too, we all do.
Can we agree that religious justifications for ANY otherwise bad act are wrong, and reinforce the idea that religion itself is wrong and bad?>> ^hpqp:
@newtboy
If we go back far enough, we are all Africans; ethnic distinctions happen to take the history of peoples' migrations into account. Yes, ethnic Jews are Arabs (or vice-versa) just like most Australians, Americans and Canadians are Europeans, except instead of colonisation it is the Jewish diaspora that is the cause for their break from their "land of origins".
Antisemitism is racism against Jews (ethnic group), whether they be religious or not. I fully disagree with Israel's politics and their funding by Americans (speaking of which, you do know, I hope, that they are above all funded/supported by fundie evangelicals, don't you?) for the purpose of colonisation, but to lump all (ethnic) Jews/Israelis (that's a nationality btw) together saying that they support this is about as ridiculous as saying that all Chinese in China and around the world support the communist government in China just because they're Chinese.
That being said, I agree entirely that the religious justifications over land - from both sides btw - is ridiculous and dangerous. "My prophet died here so it's my land!" Ugh.

Also very broad and inaccurate generalizations.
You can read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions for a pretty detailed explanation.

Dilution of ethnicity and claim of their ancestral lands can just as easily apply to 'Arabs' there.
And just like Jews, "Arabs" is a general term for various ethnic and religious groups.
So whose land it is is a very subjective topic of how far back in history you want to go.

Not all Israelis are Zionists. The word Zionist have many various meanings and definitions, but you seem to have a totally wrong understanding of what it is. There's a sizable portion of Israel Jew's population that is against those settlements and treatment of (to call it broadly) non-Jewish populace.

There are also many other wrong assumptions and generalizations in your post.(right now I'm too tired after work to elaborate on them all).
Needless to say the whole Israeli conflict is a very complex and messy situation. There are guilty parties on both sides. Cutting funding/aid to either side will not move things for the better. Over the last 10 years US aid to Israel was about ~$2.5billion/year. That is about 1% of Israel's $217billion GDP economy. While sizable, cutting that aid will not be a significant hindrance.
External boycotts, protests and especially antisemitism will not help things either. That will only make them more stubborn and have justification for potential threat to their sovereignty and survival. The only real solution is a diplomatic approach to change governments' policies.

Man, this would just make me want to work MORE. MORE and MORE and MORE. Light fires, use phones, lift, carry, transfer between domains, and above all SIFT SIFT SIFT. All while masturbating and eating prawn mayo sandwiches.

@newtboy

"Can we agree that religious justifications for ANY otherwise bad acts are wrong, and reinforce the idea that religion itself is wrong and bad?" Yes, we can definitely agree on that.

@chilaxe and @mxxcon thank you for the supplementary information.

Unsafe pallet jack usage. Skimming down that decline, if he tripped he'd be crushed.

The claim for Arabs right to the land is stronger because they did not leave the area (as a group). They are also not as diluted genetically from their original ethnicity(s) (shared with Jews, who are of multiple ethnicities, but mainly of Arab decent).
Zionism is the support of the Jewish state, not necessarily the support for it's expansion (although that support is strong in Israel). That means all Israelites are Zionists, unless they are traitors to their own country and are working to end the Jewish state, there aren't many if any of those people in Israel, they would be stoned to death. I'm not sure what definition of Zionist you are working with, it must be different from mine. Not all Zionists are expansionists, and there is nothing in the word that requires poor treatment of others.
To answer Boise_Lib: Because these children are required to serve in the army, actively supporting the state, they are Zionist, whether by choice or by birth. They have the right to leave AFTER their service, or before if their parents leave Israel, so like any child, they are at the whim of their parents and forced into their belief system whether they believe in it or not. This means I was partially wrong in my statement and I will revise it..., all adult Israelis are there 100% by choice.
I love the 'you are just wrong, I can't be bothered to tell you why' mindset. It really doesn't help your argument or help sway my ideas, it gives the impression that you really don't have anything to point at as 'wrong' you just don't like what you read. If you really can point out any inaccuracies I would like to know so I can learn or clarify, but I think you are simply reading in what you want to argue against.
I'm flabbergasted by your idea that (to paraphrase) 'we only send $2.5 BILLION a year, that's not much'. It shows clearly that you aren't being logical or reasonable in the least. If we are going broke fast (and we are), why should we be sending 2.5 BILLION to ANYONE? Especially if your contention, that it isn't a large part of their budget and they don't need it is correct, why bother sending them a dime? There are certainly others we could send that money to and do FAR more good, like Africa.
Anti-Zionism might help, anti-Semitism probably not so much. Pro-Zionism is certainly hurting things by supporting one sides expansion while ignoring the atrocities that causes the Palestinians. As I previously wrote, anti-Semitism often is a by product of anti-Zionism, where the anger at the Zionists is misapplied to only and to all Jews. Therefore, Zionism creates anti-Semitism, rightly or wrongly. I am not an anti-Semite, I am an anti-Zionist...being human, sometimes the two are confused or convergent but not intentionally on my part.
The BEST solution in my eyes is a diplomatic one that stops the expansion and solidifies borders, and one that gets us OUT of the conflict as a nation (if the nutjob born agains want to send their own money, that's their business). I don't see that as the ONLY solution, and obviously neither does Israel, since they are not negotiating in any serious way, and instead continue to expand and provoke, expand and provoke. The Palestinians on the other hand have been pushing for solidified borders for decades and continuously agree to them only to have "settlers" (invaders) move into the land as soon as the treaty is signed. This gives them the moral high ground to me, but does not mean we should be involved.>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^newtboy:
Yeah sure, we're all 'Africans', but that designation intentionally ignores the evolution of the species and differentiation since the second great migration, (the first was the aborigines, genetically different from the second wave) and so intentionally ignores 'ethnicity' as a concept.
True, the scattering of the 'Jews' (ethnic term intended here) has changed them from the other 'Arabs' they originally were to the mixed ethnicity they are now, making them slightly different from the Arabs of the region today. Shouldn't the fact that their ethnicity has been diluted also dilute their claim to their ancestral lands (as if such a claim should hold water anyway, if your ancestors lost the land, it's lost, right)?
anti-Semitism is what results from the miss-application of anti-Zionism in many cases (including for me sometimes). For me, it is NEVER an ethnic issue, always a religolitical (religious/political)issue that causes the dislike of the group.
All Israelis are Zionists by definition and action, I suppose this is not true for ALL Jews (of either definition) but is the public position of their 'church' and their ethnic leadership as well. I feel fairly safe saying it's the position held by nearly all Orthodox Jews, but that might be wrong, I don't know many. That makes them a completely different animal from the Chinese, where many in China actively don't support their government or even their system of government, but are forced to stay in China and work for it. No Israeli is forced to live in Israel, it's 100% by choice.
I do understand that in large part, the 'fundamentalist Christians' (and also American Jewish Zionists) are to blame for us funding and supporting Israel, I hope I misread and you don't think they foot the bill too, we all do.
Can we agree that religious justifications for ANY otherwise bad act are wrong, and reinforce the idea that religion itself is wrong and bad?>> ^hpqp:
@newtboy
If we go back far enough, we are all Africans; ethnic distinctions happen to take the history of peoples' migrations into account. Yes, ethnic Jews are Arabs (or vice-versa) just like most Australians, Americans and Canadians are Europeans, except instead of colonisation it is the Jewish diaspora that is the cause for their break from their "land of origins".
Antisemitism is racism against Jews (ethnic group), whether they be religious or not. I fully disagree with Israel's politics and their funding by Americans (speaking of which, you do know, I hope, that they are above all funded/supported by fundie evangelicals, don't you?) for the purpose of colonisation, but to lump all (ethnic) Jews/Israelis (that's a nationality btw) together saying that they support this is about as ridiculous as saying that all Chinese in China and around the world support the communist government in China just because they're Chinese.
That being said, I agree entirely that the religious justifications over land - from both sides btw - is ridiculous and dangerous. "My prophet died here so it's my land!" Ugh.

Also very broad and inaccurate generalizations.
You can read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions for a pretty detailed explanation.
Dilution of ethnicity and claim of their ancestral lands can just as easily apply to 'Arabs' there.
And just like Jews, "Arabs" is a general term for various ethnic and religious groups.
So whose land it is is a very subjective topic of how far back in history you want to go.
Not all Israelis are Zionists. The word Zionist have many various meanings and definitions, but you seem to have a totally wrong understanding of what it is. There's a sizable portion of Israel Jew's population that is against those settlements and treatment of (to call it broadly) non-Jewish populace.
There are also many other wrong assumptions and generalizations in your post.(right now I'm too tired after work to elaborate on them all).
Needless to say the whole Israeli conflict is a very complex and messy situation. There are guilty parties on both sides. Cutting funding/aid to either side will not move things for the better. Over the last 10 years US aid to Israel was about ~$2.5billion/year. That is about 1% of Israel's $217billion GDP economy. While sizable, cutting that aid will not be a significant hindrance.
External boycotts, protests and especially antisemitism will not help things either. That will only make them more stubborn and have justification for potential threat to their sovereignty and survival. The only real solution is a diplomatic approach to change governments' policies.

[redacted]

>> ^Mcboinkens:

Step 1: Obtain large boombox
Step 2: Acquire loud music
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

done

Could an mass outbreak of atheism amongst the Jews and Palestinians solve the problem? If they all dropped their silly religious claims to certain areas of the land, might they all live in Israelistine together, side by side? Maybe it wouldn't settle all the issues. But it might go a long way towards helping.

Whelp, if we're going to quibble over 'original land owners', then I guess we better find the descendants of the Phillistines and a whole bunch of other guys and give them their land back...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Levant_830.svg/545px-Levant_830.svg.png

Meanwhile, we should give the UK back to the descendants of the Picts, the US back to the Native American's, Australia back to the Aborigines et al...

Playing a two thousand year odd old "dibs" card is bullshit. They lost it, and with America and the UK standing behind them, they took it back. There is no ancesteral right, there is only conquest. As legitimate as Germany's conquest of Europe prior to being forced back by the allies. The only question is do people believe that might makes right? \= |

Back on topic, those workers need a trained attack pig, should work perfectly for scaring off those nasty cawing assholes...

Looking forward to this, but it may take time; hate fuels ignorance.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Could an mass outbreak of atheism amongst the Jews and Palestinians solve the problem? If they all dropped their silly religious claims to certain areas of the land, might they all live in Israelistine together, side by side? Maybe it wouldn't settle all the issues. But it might go a long way towards helping.