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*lies ???

Invocations (lies) cannot be called by TheSofaKing because TheSofaKing is not privileged - sorry.

Part Two

Very entertaining.

Futurama had it right:
"I've got a degree in homeopathic medicine."
"You've got a degree in baloney!"

Have you considered using a playlist of both parts? Or since the second part is out of sync, maybe this one?

Some of the people in this video are definitely telling *lies.

>> ^TheSofaKing:

lies ???

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>> ^eric3579:

Part Two

EDIT - Beat me to it.

>> ^radx:

Have you considered using a playlist of both parts? Or since the second part is out of sync, maybe this one?


I meant to include part 2, but somehow forgot it. Thanks for finding that embed. It's much better than a playlist, so I swapped to it.

James Randi has been overdosing on those sugar-pills for years and look at him.

Personally, I've been trying to get my mom to see homeopathy for what it is for years.

People stupid enough to believe and rely on this nonsense instead of real medicine.... even for their children? *eia ?

Invocations (eia) cannot be called by TheSofaKing because TheSofaKing is not privileged - sorry.

Too bad alternative medicines have advanced to an article of faith. And too bad that people are so unwilling to admit that they may be wrong.

To the mother who said "To each their own": If you ruin your own life, I don't have a problem with that. As soon as you endanger anyone else, I do have a problem. If your kid infects my kid or anyone in my family with an infectious (and potentially deadly) disease you're at the very least guilty of gross negligence in my book, if not worse.

Gullible Morons.

I'll agree with that one too, *eia.
>> ^TheSofaKing:

People stupid enough to believe and rely on this nonsense instead of real medicine.... even for their children? eia ?

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Homeopathy. It's like they created something that doesn't sound like it would work just to see how dumb people are.

Scientist - "our instruments can't detect anything more than sugar"

Homeopathy Salesperson - "maybe the scientists need to develop more sensitive equipment"

Scientist - "... we can see fucking carbon atom's, asshole... you're deluding people for profit"

http://videosift.com/video/First-Movie-of-Individual-Carbon-Atoms-in-Action


... thats how it should have gone... 15 second sift.

I didn't watch the video, but, what a load of bull pies homeopathy is. If water really has this memory they are talking about, what about the millions of years of dinosaur crap it is remembering?

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Ha! Brilliant idiot: "Homoeopathic remedies take longer than the 'quick fix' medicines but there's nothing bad in there for them"... you are actually spot on Ms.

They take longer because they do nothing, it's just your own defenses doing their job (which in a lot of cases IS actually a good thing to let happen, this over reliance on Antibiotics is a bad thing) . And there IS nothing bad in there because it's just sugar or lactose... well done...


Hey, wait! They're not shaking it the right way... oh man, they're going to create terrible homoeopathic medicine... don't they know anything? It has to be "vigorously shaken by ten hard strikes against an elastic body"... amateurs!


And it's a standard bullshit speak to stare bald faced at facts that say your product contains nothing of benefit at all and just wave it away with "well, science can't measure what's _really_ in these 'medicines'"

I didn't know that people were taking this crap over vaccines... that's horrible.

F*ck I hate homoeopathy, hate that SO MANY people are suckered in by it because the mainstream media (at least here in Australia) don't seem to say anything against it, and such large 'professional' companies sell it in chemists that it just gets lumped in with natural remedies. I'm all for natural remedies when they've been shown to actually do good, and am also all for letting the body fight off illnesses when it can compared to attacking it with drugs. But MAN, you just KNOW that 90% of the people who make this shit know that it's shit.


ARRRGH! Seething at the STUPID mother who says 'if people did a little more research'... FUCK! She has obviously done NONE... it really isn't hard AT ALL to find out what a steaming pile of crap homoeopathy is, and it's not like it's complicated to understand. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE 'MEDICINE' AT ALL

I don't think it would take long to change a person's mind if they were to use a homeopathic pain killer for dental surgery.

Surely this is *magic and *witchcraft?

Invocations (magic) cannot be called by raverman because raverman is not privileged - sorry.

Why are we putting drug dealers in jail instead of these homeopathy quacks? At least the drugs the dealers sell has an effect!

>> ^bamdrew:

"... we can see fucking carbon atom's, asshole... you're deluding people for profit"


? What does a carbon atom's asshole look like?
...sorry, but I was actually confused when I read your post.

This reminds me of a QI clip kicking around here, about some priest that got turned into a saint because on his deathbed he wanted a type of fish.

But none of those fish were local to the waters.. so they caught some local fish and told him it was the type he wanted. Upon eating it he said "Best (fish) I've ever taken" and so his miracle to make him a saint, was that when he put the local fish into his mouth, it magically turned into the type he wanted.

This is the exact same thing, they're putting sugar pills into their mouths and the pill is magically turning into the blood of Christ which is forming a giant invisible bubble around them that blocks out all of satans diseases.

Phooey I say.

>> ^grinter:

? What does a carbon atom's asshole look like?
...sorry, but I was actually confused when I read your post.
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Look for the comma...

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

Look for the comma...

By the time I found the comma, the apostrophe already had me thinking about nano-sized sphincters.

Oh, and you might want to edit you last post. Grammar is even more important in html than it is in prose.
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Shepppard, you are probably thinking of Thomas Aquinas and the Miracle of the Herrings. I suppose being one of the most-influential philosophers of all time, religious or otherwise, does not qualify you for sainthood.

Those skeptics trying to overdose are doing it wrong! Homeopathic medicines are more powerful the less you take them, they're just making sure they don't accidentally overdose by taking dozens of them at a time...

>> ^undefined:
Too bad alternative medicines have advanced to an article of faith. And too bad that people are so unwilling to admit that they may be wrong.
To the mother who said "To each their own": If you ruin your own life, I don't have a problem with that. As soon as you endanger anyone else, I do have a problem. If your kid infects my kid or anyone in my family with an infectious (and potentially deadly) disease you're at the very least guilty of gross negligence in my book, if not worse.


If you have all the vaccines and shoot your kids with all the vaccines, why should it bother you if I dont shoot my kid up?
And also, mind your own business!

If your little retard walks out in front of my kids car and she has to swerve and hits a tree, that would be awful! and I will be upset! Therefore you shouldnt let your little retards out! better yet you shouldnt be allowed to have little retards. Its better if you just go and cut yer dick off, ya busybody.

I'm gonna have another drink.

>> ^undefined:

>> ^undefined:
Too bad alternative medicines have advanced to an article of faith. And too bad that people are so unwilling to admit that they may be wrong.
To the mother who said "To each their own": If you ruin your own life, I don't have a problem with that. As soon as you endanger anyone else, I do have a problem. If your kid infects my kid or anyone in my family with an infectious (and potentially deadly) disease you're at the very least guilty of gross negligence in my book, if not worse.

If you have all the vaccines and shoot your kids with all the vaccines, why should it bother you if I dont shoot my kid up?
And also, mind your own business!
If your little retard walks out in front of my kids car and she has to swerve and hits a tree, that would be awful! and I will be upset! Therefore you shouldnt let your little retards out! better yet you shouldnt be allowed to have little retards. Its better if you just go and cut yer dick off, ya busybody.
I'm gonna have another drink.


You're a bad, ignorant person.

Also, your children do not belong to you. They are not objects with which you may do as you see fit.

People like you are why we need a patriarchal government.

I truly hope you die a painful death, cunt.

For such an opinionated journalist, she didn't make any scientific effort to prove that they don't work. That there's no active ingredient left is very, very compelling evidence against it, and I strongly doubt that homeopathic medicines have any effect at all, but none of this report proves that they don't work.

The sceptics standing outside the hospital provide evidence that homeopathic sleeping pills don't knock you unconscious, but it doesn't say on the bottle that they will knock you unconscious. We're just accustomed to Adavan and Imovane doing that, because that's how they work. The homeopathic stuff may help people sleep in another way. Exercise during the day, for example, helps me sleep well at night, as do light stretching and warm milk and honey before bed. And no amount of those would make me need to go to the hospital. So that whole line of reasoning is unscientific and misleading.

While we're invoking science, and using it to prove or disprove a claim, the only way to conclude that a medicine does or doesn't work is a double-blind placebo test with people who have symptoms that should be treatable by homeopathy, just like any other medicine. Do that, and I'll be satisfied. Don't do it, and they're both just blowing smoke. In fact, as it stands, without any clinical trials, users who claim it works at least have some evidence of success.

There is so much unknown science and medicine, that it's possible that they do work, just in a way that we don't yet have a medical model for. I doubt it, but that's the difference between being sceptical and being cock-sure without evidence, like this journalist.

Also, if you (believe you) see something work, but you don't know why it works, that doesn't mean it doesn't work. That said, the burden of proof is on the manufacturers of the "medicine" to demonstrate scientifically that it works. The fact that no such reports exist tells me that they can't do it. They would have every financial motive to demonstrate effectiveness scientifically, so if they could do so, I think they would have by now.

Another word about biased reporting: Shooting locations and backdrops are carefully chosen by journalists to give context to what the interviewees are saying. It was by design then that all the scientists were interviewed with equipment and charts and scientific machines and such behind them (to show their scientific backing), and the homeopathic people were interviewed in offices with blank drawers behind them, or in a completely empty room (their backing). Cheap shot. The content itself was enough to make a very damning report without all the trickery.

The only pro-homoeopathy interviewee who wasn't discredited with the camera shot alone was the mother, who the reporter chose not to ridicule as much, possibly because the audience might identify with her.

>> ^bamdrew:

Scientist - "our instruments can't detect anything more than sugar"
Homeopathy Salesperson - "maybe the scientists need to develop more sensitive equipment"
Scientist - "... we can see fucking carbon atom's, asshole... you're deluding people for profit"
http://videosift.com/video/First-Movie-of-Individual-Carbon-Atoms-i
n-Action

... thats how it should have gone... 15 second sift.


I'd say it's even worse than that: medicine is not even concerned with "seeing the atoms" or explaining anything, it's merely about *measuring effects* (and side-effects). If someone were to come up with a new cure that scientists are at loss to explain, but whose effects/side-effects are well-known, then it would be used by doctors (actual example: anaesthetic gases when they were first introduced).

So homeopathy is bonk, not because it is unexplained, but because *it has no effect* (beyond placebo, that is). Hence the common saying: "Alternative medicine that actually works goes by another name: it's called Medicine".

Homeopaths claims their remedies contain things which they don't and the regulators don't notice and/or care. What worries me most is they could also contain something not revealed and nobody would notice and/or care either.

>> ^messenger:

For such an opinionated journalist, she didn't make any scientific effort to prove that they don't work. That there's no active ingredient left is very, very compelling evidence against it, and I strongly doubt that homeopathic medicines have any effect at all, but none of this report proves that they don't work.


How could she as a journalist make any effort other than visiting scientists and talking with them? Should she have obtained a degree in chemistry? What else could she have done?

There being no active ingredient in the medicine doesn't need to prove they don't work, it proves flat out that they CAN'T work. Water doesn't cure cancer.

>> ^messenger:

Another word about biased reporting: Shooting locations and backdrops are carefully chosen by journalists to give context to what the interviewees are saying. It was by design then that all the scientists were interviewed with equipment and charts and scientific machines and such behind them (to show their scientific backing), and the homeopathic people were interviewed in offices with blank drawers behind them, or in a completely empty room (their backing). Cheap shot. The content itself was enough to make a very damning report without all the trickery.
The only pro-homoeopathy interviewee who wasn't discredited with the camera shot alone was the mother, who the reporter chose not to ridicule as much, possibly because the audience might identify with her.


It's not her fault a homeopath works out of a sales office and scientists work out of labs. Although, I get your point, I just don't think she chose the locations for the interviews.

What about homeopathic poisons? I'm looking to murder my step father but I don't trust commercial poisons.

Wrong. That there is no original ingredient doesn't prove anything other than the contents of the bottle, which isn't part of the homoeopathic claim. Remember, homoeopathy doesn't say that the source ingredient does any curing. The stated theory is that the water somehow "remembers" something about the original ingredient, and that the memory of this ingredient in the water cures things. To prove that claim false, you need to do experiments that give reproducible results. Proving the original ingredient is gone disproves nothing about homoeopathy.

So, to answer your question, this reporter could have shown an interest in that kind of research, could have asked why it hadn't been done yet, as measuring the medicinal effects requires no sophisticated instruments. She could have pressed the point with Mr. Ontario Government why these things are being treated like medicine when they're just water and not scientifically tested for anything. This was just a hit job. She knows the product is fake, and that many people are going to get sick and die because of reliance on this crap, so she's angry. But still. This is journalism.>> ^Matthu:

>> ^messenger:
For such an opinionated journalist, she didn't make any scientific effort to prove that they don't work. That there's no active ingredient left is very, very compelling evidence against it, and I strongly doubt that homeopathic medicines have any effect at all, but none of this report proves that they don't work.

How could she as a journalist make any effort other than visiting scientists and talking with them? Should she have obtained a degree in chemistry? What else could she have done?
There being no active ingredient in the medicine doesn't need to prove they don't work, it proves flat out that they CAN'T work. Water doesn't cure cancer.

She didn't chose the locations, but she chose the room, the angle, the lighting, the composition of the shot. I'm sure there were much more flattering places especially to have that one woman than a long empty poorly-lit room. You don't get to be a television journalist without learning to compose a shot.>> ^Matthu:

>> ^messenger:
Another word about biased reporting: Shooting locations and backdrops are carefully chosen by journalists to give context to what the interviewees are saying. It was by design then that all the scientists were interviewed with equipment and charts and scientific machines and such behind them (to show their scientific backing), and the homeopathic people were interviewed in offices with blank drawers behind them, or in a completely empty room (their backing). Cheap shot. The content itself was enough to make a very damning report without all the trickery.
The only pro-homoeopathy interviewee who wasn't discredited with the camera shot alone was the mother, who the reporter chose not to ridicule as much, possibly because the audience might identify with her.

It's not her fault a homeopath works out of a sales office and scientists work out of labs. Although, I get your point, I just don't think she chose the locations for the interviews.

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