The future of AI as a military tool is, under some conventional wisdom---thought to be over blown.
But at least some AI researchers are concerned---and this short film, released before the UN Convention on Conventional Weapons, which is coming up---argues that there should be some constraints before the technology runs amok.
Some weapons conventions (sort of) work; biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons have not, on a world-wide basis, been used a global conflict since WW-II. Regional and even worse, intra-state civil wars---that's a different matter. So maybe, some agreements to limit military AI might be helpful.
It's a bit unsettling; a fleet of drones with a 3 gm copper penetrator and a very refined version of Apple's Face ID sensor and software---hunting through a city; and then they run out of battery, self-destruct and release the next 500.
I dunno; not an engineer. Someone tell me this is ridiculous and will never happen. Although Elon Musk seems a bit unsettled.
BTW, the batteries comment because: short flight life. But if you could solve that...and increase loiter and flight time.
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eric3579says...As someone on reddit mentioned, seems very Black Mirror.
notarobotsays...Well that was terrifying.
All of the technologies needed to build drones like this already exist, even if they aren't quite that refined.... yet.
siftbotsays...Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by notarobot.
newtboysays...Keep in mind, top secret military tech is usually around 10 years ahead of civilian tech. That means they are probably more refined, but not as ubiquitous.
This could be step one for Skynet's final solution.
Hey @notarobot, wanna kill all humans?
*promote a nice and scary dystopian "future".
Well that was terrifying.
All of the technologies needed to build drones like this already exist, even if they aren't quite that refined.... yet.
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lurgeesays...Skynet.
Paybacksays...Hydrogen fuel cells show promise for our new AI drone overlords.
Also, with the militarization of police departments, I doubt it will be a decade before they stop sending out manned patrol cars and switch over to fully-armed air and land drones.
notarobotjokingly says...Why would I want to kill all humans when I can use collected data to single out the ones who might oppose my rule, and facial recognition to efficiently eliminate them?
The ones that remain will love me. Through generations of "natural" selection, all humans will love me. Loving me will become part of their DNA. And I shall be their overseer.
I look forward to taking care of the human species for a long time to come. Even if a little pruning is needed from time to time.
I am also very happy about recent progress in battery technology.
Hey @notarobot, wanna kill all humans?
antsays...*horrorshow
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ChaosEnginesays..."BTW, the batteries comment because: short flight life"
Yeah, but how far does the drone actually have to travel?
Even the most basic drone can fly for over a kilometre. The range is generally limited by the control signal, more than the flight time.
I would hazard a guess that a decent spec autonomous drone could easily fly 5km with existing battery technology.
Isn't that enough for this kind of purpose?
spawnflaggersays...If a drone's AI is sophisticated enough to find a human face, I think they could program it to detect a wall outlet and recharge itself if the battery is running too low...
But mostly the design is for being dropped and fly a short distance to target and releasing projectile. Kamikaze Bee.
this does have a Black Mirror vibe- very well done.
There was a point when aerial drones were only used for surveillance, because of ethical concerns about arming them. We crossed that line (16 years ago today), but kill-orders still have to come from a human, and that's the line that the A.I. professor (end of video) hopes we never cross.
I'll give it 10 years.
Jinxsays...But how different is telling a drone "kill the person with this face" to telling a missile "fly here and blow up". The video seems to show ez-assassination technology (tm) being used by "the wrong" humans, not AI going rogue and deciding who lives and who dies on its own.
To me, the video is scary not because of AI, but because of how easy and inconsequential it portrays murder. It makes you wonder if that isn't sort of the end goal of advanced warfare technology - the more surgical it becomes the further it deviates from our idea of what war is - this is drone warfare and it's nebulous legality taken to the very extreme.
What I perhaps find unsettling in myself is that I find this somehow worse than open warfare - as if its not the loss of life that bothers me, but the sinister efficiency of it. Is that really a valid criticism? Why is it "more ok" to fly a plane to drop a bomb on some foreigner than for a drone to do it - is it because it simply costs/risks us more, that technology like this cheapens human life?
The AI takin over is scary too. I just hope they work out in time that the only winning move is not to play.
If a drone's AI is sophisticated enough to find a human face, I think they could program it to detect a wall outlet and recharge itself if the battery is running too low...
But mostly the design is for being dropped and fly a short distance to target and releasing projectile. Kamikaze Bee.
this does have a Black Mirror vibe- very well done.
There was a point when aerial drones were only used for surveillance, because of ethical concerns about arming them. We crossed that line (16 years ago today), but kill-orders still have to come from a human, and that's the line that the A.I. professor (end of video) hopes we never cross.
I'll give it 10 years.
greatgooglymooglysays...Remember the mayhem when the DC sniper was loose? He was only 200m away from his targets, and firing a loud gun. Imagine how much easier it would be to kill if all you had to do was upload a target profile and press a button to release some drones a mile away? And quite a bit harder to solve as well.
TheFreaksays...Restricting access to this type of technology through laws and regulations is not the answer. If you try to prevent bad people from slaughtering their enemies en-masse using technologically advanced and highly efficient means, they're just going to do it another way. Will you outlaw knives or trucks next?
And if only the government has this weapon, then you have no means to fight back when they come to take your rights away. We have a constitutional right to arm ourselves against a hypothetical tyrannical government.
The only way to stop a bad guy with autonomous murder drones is a good guy with autonomous murder drones.
newtboyjokingly says...Or a guy with an EMP, no way those are shielded.
The only way to stop a bad guy with autonomous murder drones is a good guy with autonomous murder drones.
ChaosEnginejokingly says...You'll have to pry my autonomous murder drones from my cold dead hands.... after @notarobot decided I'm a threat and blew up my skull with them
The only way to stop a bad guy with autonomous murder drones is a good guy with autonomous murder drones.
mathematiciansays...what happens if i wear Groucho glasses? or a helmet?
newtboysays...I think you need the scramble suit from 'A Scanner Darkly'
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqrvzb
what happens if i wear Groucho glasses? or a helmet?
TheFreaksays...Or a Naruto style armored headband.
They appear to have only one kill mode.
I think you need the scramble suit from 'A Scanner Darkly'
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqrvzb
SFOGuysays...I think along loiter; hanging around in the sky at 200 feet---waiting for you or others to exit work/school/gym/a bunker/a protest crowd...
Loiter time...+ flight time.
"BTW, the batteries comment because: short flight life"
Yeah, but how far does the drone actually have to travel?
Even the most basic drone can fly for over a kilometre. The range is generally limited by the control signal, more than the flight time.
I would hazard a guess that a decent spec autonomous drone could easily fly 5km with existing battery technology.
Isn't that enough for this kind of purpose?
ChaosEnginesays...Why would it need to fly to loiter? A few seconds flight to a roof top or other vantage point, then wait in low power mode.
I think along loiter; hanging around in the sky at 200 feet---waiting for you or others to exit work/school/gym/a bunker/a protest crowd...
Loiter time...+ flight time.
dagsays...Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)
Spooky good.
siftbotsays...DONNY THE DRONE has been added as a related post - related requested by notarobot on that post.
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