No popper stoppers in the studio? What kind of fly-by-night operation is this?

That's why her verses are sing-talk style instead of actual singing.

I'm only upvoting so that others can feel the same punishment I just got. Mwahaha.

no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

>> ^owatadorkiam:

no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.


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>> ^owatadorkiam:

no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.


I'm reluctantly inclined to agree. Hardly the most heinous thing I've ever heard.

Still pretty heinous though.

>> ^owatadorkiam:

no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.


I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

for reference

I expected a lot worse.

Doesn't the video say this is a live performance? I took that to mean she's on stage giving a performance and this was captured raw from her mic. The breathing would seem to support that conclusion. Granted, I'm not saying she's the greatest vocal talent around and I personally would rather take an icepick to the ear than listen to an entier Ke$ha album...still, she's basically hitting the notes and making the sounds you'd expect.

I don't see the problem.

>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I agree, you can tell she is a performer, she has vocal training and she projects well... and she's cute to look at. In terms of actual talent, maybe she doesn't have the best voice. But she's certainly not the first to use auto tune, it's not fair to single her out.

This is the first time I listed to this pop-trash-music. My first impression is that the produced, auto-tuned version is both breathy and has a lot of the over-auto-tuned T-pain sound to it. In other words her live vocals are essentially missing a special effect and a proper wind filter on her mic. Plus, live she's probably dancing/performing aerobically. Not too bad. If I saw her live I'd still walk out after one song on account of the inanity, however.

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.


owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.

I kinda sympathize with her. I'm told I can sing on key but that it sounds like Richard Simmons choking on a balloon.

I don't really care at all what anyone sounds like without auto-tune. I only care what the final product sounds like. I honestly don't get why people give a shit about auto-tune... Were people feeling the same way when someone invented frets on guitars?

not just autotune. lots of harmonizer too. compressors, reverb, edits...etc.
autotune has been played out as an "effect". as a studio correction tool, however, it's still used all the time.
that being said, engineers and mixers would rather not use it. pain in the ass. same as editing a drumstroke that is off time.

kesha, and her management, sure knows how to make money. sex sells, and poppy, hyper-compressed 3 note music.
"accessibility" in music is a very interesting thing to study. usually hit music has very little to do with talent and everything to do with energy and accessibility.

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.


yes, he most certainly is, and it would appear you are as well. an avid musician myself, this made me cringe....BUT went ahead and had my mother, a pianist and classically trained vocalist for over 40 years, my brother, a professionally trained vocalist and avid musician (you should here his Faithfully by journey, hit it at karaoke this last weekend and he fucking OWNED it), and my good friend Mandy, a vocalist and musician by hobby who trained under one of Jessica Simpsons former vocal coaches.....

and they unanimously agreed that she fucking sucks. and not just the talky verses (cuz i know thats kind of her unique stlye) but the chorus and prechorus (especially the prechorus)

you didnt hear any sour notes? that sentence alone condemns you as tonedeaf. It wasnt chock full of em but there were PLENTY to choose from.

what i will say is this: she is certainly trained, she can carry a tune (sort of), but she is mediocre at best

but thats the music industry for you. me and my brother have been in bands playing locally trying to get exposure since we were in high school........and justin fucking beiber gets a multi million contract?

it has little to nothing to do with how talented or unique you are and everything to do with one of two things: luck/right place right time, or knowing the right people

Here's the altered version for comparison. It's truly amazing what technology can do.

>> ^smooman:

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.

yes, he most certainly is, and it would appear you are as well. an avid musician myself, this made me cringe....BUT went ahead and had my mother, a pianist and classically trained vocalist for over 40 years, my brother, a professionally trained vocalist and avid musician (you should here his Faithfully by journey, hit it at karaoke this last weekend and he fucking OWNED it), and my good friend Mandy, a vocalist and musician by hobby who trained under one of Jessica Simpsons former vocal coaches.....
and they unanimously agreed that she fucking sucks. and not just the talky verses (cuz i know thats kind of her unique stlye) but the chorus and prechorus (especially the prechorus)
you didnt hear any sour notes? that sentence alone condemns you as tonedeaf. It wasnt chock full of em but there were PLENTY to choose from.
what i will say is this: she is certainly trained, she can carry a tune (sort of), but she is mediocre at best
but thats the music industry for you. me and my brother have been in bands playing locally trying to get exposure since we were in high school........and justin fucking beiber gets a multi million contract?
it has little to nothing to do with how talented or unique you are and everything to do with one of two things: luck/right place right time, or knowing the right people


"My musician friends can beat up your musician friends!!! Derp derp!"

Look, I also used to sing "Faithfully", "Lights", "Separate Ways" along with "I want to Know What Love Is" (Foreigner), some Skid Row, Motley Crue, Nirvana, Def Leppard, Van Hagar, Van Halen, etc, etc. and many other songs from many other bands in my bands. I sang 6 nights a week 5 hours a night in one of the highest paid bands on the bar circuit at the time. I was told on a nightly basis that I covered the songs we played live better than the most of the original artists in a lot of cases. But yeah, whatever you say, I'm tone deaf. LOL I have been singing in bands since I was 17 and I'm 47 now. I'm pretty sure that alone qualifies me to have an opinion on her singing skills. So please don't try to lecture me on my ears, or singing ability.

My question is; Where exactly did I say she didn't suck? What part of me saying, "What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing" and "I really wanted her to choke" didn't you understand? Yes, I heard no sour notes. At least not any that made me cringe. Do I really have to explain my comment to that extent for you to comprehend what I was saying?

Sorry your brother couldn't make the grade. Life is tough, huh? And I'm glad he "fucking OWNED it" in a karaoke bar. (seriously? LOL) Sounds like you have a bunch of sour grapes to me. Period.

^ time for a sing off !!

I only listened to the first minute but I have to say, it was better than I expected.

if singing for 30 years makes you qualified, how is that different from my mother who's been singing for almost 50 years, my brother who's been singing for goin on 20 years, my friend Mandy who's also been at it for goin on 20 years? whats your point? that you made a lil money singing in cover bands that puts you in a better position than them? well pat yourself on the back for getting paid gas money to sing someone elses songs (me and my brother both were in a very successful cover band at one time, me on guitar and him singing, it doesnt pay shit, so stop bragging, its nothing to brag about)

my point being, i got 4 other opinions to your one, they all disagree with you, so i win. nanny nanny boo boo!

and whats funny about karaoke? its fun (usually more so if you CANT sing like me), me and my brother both enjoy having a good goofy time doin it, and he's a fucking badass singer. so because he sang a notoriously difficult song and nailed it, it means he sucks cuz it was at karaoke? youre fucking retarded......and probably stuck up

>> ^eric3579:

^ time for a sing off !!


lol no sing off for me. i dont fancy myself a vocalist. if you wanna have a guitar off then im all for it =)

>> ^smooman:

if singing for 30 years makes you qualified, how is that different from my mother who's been singing for almost 50 years, my brother who's been singing for goin on 20 years, my friend Mandy who's also been at it for goin on 20 years? whats your point? that you made a lil money singing in cover bands that puts you in a better position than them? well pat yourself on the back for getting paid gas money to sing someone elses songs (me and my brother both were in a successful cover band at one time, me on guitar and him singing, it doesnt pay shit, so stop bragging, its nothing to brag about)
my point being, i got 4 other opinions to your one, they all disagree with you, so i win. nanny nanny boo boo!


I'm bragging because I list my qualifications? And your not but doing the same exact thing at the beginning of both of your rants? Then telling me how I should HERE your brother sing Faithfully in a karaoke bar? Hypocrite much?

OK, again with the putting words in my mouth thing. Where exactly did I say your mother, brother, and friend were not qualified to have an opinion? And how exactly do you keep missing the point that I NEVER SAID SHE DIDN'T SUCK.

FYI, we were paid anywhere from $2800-$3200 a week for our gigs depending on where we played. That's slightly better than "a lil gas money" or that "it doesn't pay shit" sorry to say. Back in the late 80's early 90's that was pretty good cash for playing the bar scene. As I said, I made a living doing this. That means I supported myself. If you were "in a very successful" cover band as you say, you wouldn't be bitching about the pay, because I certainly wasn't.

[Edit] Oh and on your "point". There seems to be more opinions in this thread backing mine up than yours, so actually you don't win shit.

^Oh fer shit's sake, just whip'em out already!

>> ^smooman:

and whats funny about karaoke? its fun (usually more so if you CANT sing like me), derp derp derp, ......and probably stuck up


Exactly, which is why I don't take it seriously when someone refers to a karaoke star as proof of talent. And yes if that makes me stuck up then so be it. I'm stuck up.

2800-3200 a week divided by however many members of the band, booker, soundguy, and anyone else involved (if any, hell, couldve been just the band members for all i know) does not equal a lot of money. Sure you could have scraped a living out of it, lots of people do (wedding bands are great gig) but like i said, nothing to brag about

and the 2 or possibly 3 opinions that it wasnt that bad > the numerous opinions that it was total garbage?

math is hard!!

oh goodie! it's a pissing contest. i wonder who has the biggest dick????

secretly, i've always suspected that it was duckman. whip em out boys, let bea settle this.


>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^smooman:
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.

yes, he most certainly is, and it would appear you are as well. an avid musician myself, this made me cringe....BUT went ahead and had my mother, a pianist and classically trained vocalist for over 40 years, my brother, a professionally trained vocalist and avid musician (you should here his Faithfully by journey, hit it at karaoke this last weekend and he fucking OWNED it), and my good friend Mandy, a vocalist and musician by hobby who trained under one of Jessica Simpsons former vocal coaches.....
and they unanimously agreed that she fucking sucks. and not just the talky verses (cuz i know thats kind of her unique stlye) but the chorus and prechorus (especially the prechorus)
you didnt hear any sour notes? that sentence alone condemns you as tonedeaf. It wasnt chock full of em but there were PLENTY to choose from.
what i will say is this: she is certainly trained, she can carry a tune (sort of), but she is mediocre at best
but thats the music industry for you. me and my brother have been in bands playing locally trying to get exposure since we were in high school........and justin fucking beiber gets a multi million contract?
it has little to nothing to do with how talented or unique you are and everything to do with one of two things: luck/right place right time, or knowing the right people

"My musician friends can beat up your musician friends!!! Derp derp!"
Look, I also used to sing "Faithfully", "Lights", "Separate Ways" along with "I want to Know What Love Is" (Foreigner), some Skid Row, Motley Crue, Nirvana, Def Leppard, Van Hagar, Van Halen, etc, etc. and many other songs from many other bands in my bands. I sang 6 nights a week 5 hours a night in one of the highest paid bands on the bar circuit at the time. I was told on a nightly basis that I covered the songs we played live better than the most of the original artists in a lot of cases. But yeah, whatever you say, I'm tone deaf. LOL I have been singing in bands since I was 17 and I'm 47 now. I'm pretty sure that alone qualifies me to have an opinion on her singing skills. So please don't try to lecture me on my ears, or singing ability.
My question is; Where exactly did I say she didn't suck? What part of me saying, "What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing" and "I really wanted her to choke" didn't you understand? Yes, I heard no sour notes. At least not any that made me cringe. Do I really have to explain my comment to that extent for you to comprehend what I was saying?
Sorry your brother couldn't make the grade. Life is tough, huh? And I'm glad he "fucking OWNED it" in a karaoke bar. (seriously? LOL) Sounds like you have a bunch of sour grapes to me. Period.

^ LOL I'm done pissing. Evidently he's not though, He asks for a truce on my page then comes back to slam me again.

smoo I suggest you re-read the comments and check the upvote to downvote tally on those comments. Yes math is hard!

math equations = pissing contest? if you say so

but if youre goin by votes (something i didnt think of) then ya youre right


.....but i still win and my weiner is HUGE RAWR!!!

you both lose, mine is bigger. and it doesnt fucking sing. fags.

I have an enormous penis, and I am a qualified expert on what is good singing.

I just wanted you to know.

>> ^smooman:

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.

yes, he most certainly is, and it would appear you are as well. an avid musician myself, this made me cringe....BUT went ahead and had my mother, a pianist and classically trained vocalist for over 40 years, my brother, a professionally trained vocalist and avid musician (you should here his Faithfully by journey, hit it at karaoke this last weekend and he fucking OWNED it), and my good friend Mandy, a vocalist and musician by hobby who trained under one of Jessica Simpsons former vocal coaches.....
and they unanimously agreed that she fucking sucks. and not just the talky verses (cuz i know thats kind of her unique stlye) but the chorus and prechorus (especially the prechorus)
you didnt hear any sour notes? that sentence alone condemns you as tonedeaf. It wasnt chock full of em but there were PLENTY to choose from.
what i will say is this: she is certainly trained, she can carry a tune (sort of), but she is mediocre at best
but thats the music industry for you. me and my brother have been in bands playing locally trying to get exposure since we were in high school........and justin fucking beiber gets a multi million contract?
it has little to nothing to do with how talented or unique you are and everything to do with one of two things: luck/right place right time, or knowing the right people


As an avid musician myself, your post reeks of pretentiousness and unwarranted self-importance, regardless of the sporadic legitimacy of your comments.

And I'm a guy who has to actively struggle against being pretentious and exhibiting unwarranted self-importance. Tone it down, bro.

smooman you sound so bitter. Kesha has found an audience through image, songwriting ability, and vocal talent. I don't give a crap how many people you know that will pat your head and agree with you that she "sucks", she makes bank through talents you don't have, and you should let it go.

This song, in particular, is a HORRIBLE piece to judge someone's singing ability. It goes fast, it has background harmonizations to support it, and it is more about the lyrics and attitude than vocal ability. But despite that, she hits the notes, keeps the energy up, and has fun with it. THAT is why she gets paid. She's not sitting in judgement at a keyboard talking shit anonymously.

Here's the same song live with all the backup singers, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MaqZa47lE

Nobody's saying it's the best song ever; it's just a fun little nothing. I'm boggled that anybody would use it as evidence that somebody "sucks". Grow the fuck up.

ke$ha is really hot. She looks like my cousin if he was a girl.

By the way, Kasinator, I felt the same way about her name. Then I heard the story about how she started using it when she was unknown and unpaid. It was ironic, and maybe a little hopeful. After that (and my roommate playing her music in her car) I gave the album a listen. It's got some crap, but also so very fun and edgy stuff. Don't let the name turn you off.

http://www.billboard.com/news#/features/breaking-entering-ke-ha-1004048466.story

If you like this type of music, great I'm happy for you. But what I don't appreciate is music douche bags. Don't look down on this girl, people are free to make any type of music they enjoy, why denigrate her because she makes type of music you don't enjoy? I really don't see problems with this. If you like this more power to you, if you don't, well don't be a hater.

This is not something I would listen to, but I wouldn't say shit about it, because I can't sing. If you didn't spend one single penny, then you my friend didn't lose anything, so why even bother?

Autotune or not, can't we all just agree her music sucks and move on?

Whore-off!

In all seriousness, there aren't that many terrible off-key notes here, it's just a bad song. Two different things.
>> ^eric3579:

^ time for a sing off !!

Doesn't sound that different...both just sound like a bitchy teenager talking.

Just chiming in to agree, what this video did was make me slightly impressed that she can sing the right notes whilst clearly doing something quite cardio demanding.

Auto tune or not, live or studio... I still only made it 40 seconds.

Given that someone has mixed the music down so low it is almost just her voice, she has been denied her back up singers, denied basic sound processing that makes a voice more full (that even very good vocalists use) and seems to be dancing up a storm, and given that the whole style is not vocal perfection oriented (and don't give me that 'these days' crap, it is hardly new, try Dylan), I think she does very well. This is mixed/extracted to make her sound as bare as absolutely possible under far less then optimal conditions.

I always hear these english lit grads tell me how awful someone like Grisham is. How he can't "write". The question is then, maybe what they think 'writing' involves is wrong. Same goes for making music. Maybe you think you can 'sing better' then Ke$ha does, but if so I think you might misunderstand what makes a song great. I listen to her and I am amused, I smile, I tap/bop along and I remember the song. I'll bet I won't say the same after listening to you. And don't give me that old saw about the producers, etc; sure they are a critical part of it, but you still need the talent to go with it. Their many many failures that happen all the time are testament to that.

The white-knighting in these comments is sad.

I had to look that up

Maybe it is that, I dunno. I get tired of all the hatin' on various forms of pop music. In part because I like pop music (and many other forms of music too) so take it as a personal assault on my taste But also because I don't care for slaggin' other peoples creative efforts. So I call it defending Ke$sha, not other posters.

On the upside, I larn'd a new term!

A$ other$ mentioned, the girl doe$nt $ing so badly. It'$ ju$t her $tupid arti$t name that en$ure$ I'll never li$ten to her album$.

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.



Uh are you serious? It's not that bad overall, but she definitely falls a tad flat on quite a few notes.

>> ^mentality:

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.


Uh are you serious? It's not that bad overall, but she definitely falls a tad flat on quite a few notes.


Yes I'm serious. Look I'm not the only one saying she is singing on key. Why is everyone singling me out to question? She didn't sound as bad as I expected, why is it so hard for everyone to understand that?

It all sounds perfectly average and unremarkable to me but when she sings "your love" repeatedly that does sound a bit strained.

But I just don't see the point of this nit-picking/hating.

Clearly if she consistenly sells records she must have talent of some sort. She may not be Sarah McLachlan but then that's not the idea of her act. It's to sing reasonably but more importantly entertain her fans.

On key or not, there's something about the quality of her voice that grates me a little. But, yeah, not as bad as I expected either.

I too am a fairly accomplished musician, and I don't think she was doing that bad on a purely technical basis. Granted, I heard a couple of notes that were a tad out of tune, but nothing extraordinary considering the circumstances. I have heard far worse from Enrique Iglesias.

She does get a little over-excited at the end and miss a few keys, where they're "out of the chord" but other than that, it's actually fine. In fairness there is some talk-singing in there, which is sorta key-neutral. I've already spent way too much time listening to this, listening for off-keys. There may be 1 or 2 that I noticed, but other than that it's fine.

The voice is a bit wobbly though, might throw some people off.

All I have to say is " This is not Hip-hop",horrible use for a tag.

I agree with others and say that while it wasn't the best, for a live mic feed of probably a live show it wasn't that bad. I think people don't realize that when they listen to a live performances that have these intricate dance numbers they are barely hearing the artist from the live feed at all... maybe 10% of the final mix. The reason is for hiding the mic spurts (as your heard in this video) and because it's damn hard to sing and do dance moves that can greatly impact a person's singing ability. You try to sing well and consistently doing jumping jacks... cause that's basically what they're doing.

For more intimate moments or songs you will hear more of the artist, but there is still obviously a back-up mix going on. Face it, when you go to a live show you're basically watching a glorified music video.

The lyrics are far worse than the performance..but yeah, kind of sad.

>> ^Fantomas:

The white-knighting in these comments is sad.


The douchebaggery is far worse.

Music as an 'art form' requires artistic talent and skill to be considered "good". The various skills necessary to be a talented singer are well known and documented.

This can only be classed as Entertainment... people are entitled to enjoy it much as they would America's funniest home videos, a bad pun, or a children's clown act.

But it's not Musical Art as it includes no skill or talent.

"I took the instrumental track of Your Love Is My Drug, pitched it down one half-step from the studio version to match her vocals, and layered her vocal track on top of it." - GUY WHO MADE THIS


Well, then you did a shitty job, Tim Burt. Shame on you for tweaking this to sound off, and pretending this is what would be acceptable.

And shame on the sift for not even reading the video description on YouTube and believing the videosift desc. Fail?

I agree that she doesn't sound completely terrible, just incredibly mediocre.

Just shows how bad all studio pop is when performed live (even if you're one that likes the album versions). In a strange way this actually makes me think more of American Idol...LOL.

Canned art...it's always bad.

>> ^raverman:

Music as an 'art form' requires artistic talent and skill to be considered "good". The various skills necessary to be a talented singer are well known and documented.
This can only be classed as Entertainment... people are entitled to enjoy it much as they would America's funniest home videos, a bad pun, or a children's clown act.
But it's not Musical Art as it includes no skill or talent.


If we were to only talk about singing then you could say the same about Bob Dylan, Jimmi Hendrix, Lou Reed, or hundreds of other obviously talented people.

Her singing is not the best in the world, but it's certainly good enough to be a part of a music project of some kind.

If you haven't caught on by now, the vocal track was from COLLEGEHUMOR.com


http://youtu.be/JelGcEyS6Aw

oh wow they have a girl that sounds really like Ke$ha, go figure...

its a complex trick but some music fits this pattern inevitably.. still fun. 4 4 time maybe has something to do with it



again, description for this sift from YT:

I got the audio of Kesha (or Ke$ha if you're a purist) from College Humor dot com. Then, I took the instrumental track of Your Love Is My Drug, pitched it down one half-step from the studio version to match her vocals, and layered her vocal track on top of it. - Tim burt

i have too much time on my hands but its because im so good at doing nothing. also shouldnt this be in different channel like parody or comedy? and shouldnt i be doing something more productive??

>> ^vaire2ube:

again, description for this sift from YT:
I got the audio of Kesha (or Ke$ha if you're a purist) from College Humor dot com. Then, I took the instrumental track of Your Love Is My Drug, pitched it down one half-step from the studio version to match her vocals, and layered her vocal track on top of it. - Tim burt
i have too much time on my hands but its because im so good at doing nothing. also shouldnt this be in different channel like parody or comedy? and shouldnt i be doing something more productive??


vaire2ube, What is your point? Somebody uploaded the raw feed from a live performance (here), then somebody else mixed it with the studio recording for context. It's not a parody.

Also, @raverman: You can shove your opinion of what is good and what is "merely" entertainment. I like Kesha's music. I am an adult human being with a bachelor's degree who has listened to a whole lotta music during my life, and performed quite a lot as well. If you don't like Kesha, that's fine. Everyone has their own musical tastes. But that is all they are: "tastes". Preferences. OPINIONS. You look like an idiot by pretending that you are all high and mighty and can dictate what is "art".

Dammit, why can't people just shut up and let others like what they like?

My point is

--- this sift description is deceptive (which it wouldn't be if one just sifted the AUDIO unaltered from CH, which also isnt confirmed to be really her but would be a lot of effort to fake...even though there is a fake one from CH with a convincing soundalike)

and

-- is pointless to use for any real point of comparison whatsoever.


This is essentially a mockery, and more accurately a bastardization and waste of everyones time.

A parody would attempt to be funny, you're correct... this video IS "funny", but the author was trying to mock the person sans cleverness... so i guess it would be a matter of opinion on that, really.

Also, its not a simple mix in context. If you read how he altered it, you will understand this.

any other questions??

@MaxWilder Of course you're welcome to like what ever you like. Liking something doesn't make it quality.

You can like Kesha but it doesn't make it in tune, or masterful music.
You can like Jackass because it makes you laugh but it doesnt make it cinematic excellence.

There are people who have dedicated their lives to mastering the techincal skills or creating quality music. And you don't have to like it... but it doesnt make their life and experience any less valuable.

You look like an idiot for boasting about a basic tertiary education and getting personal and pissy because people are criticizing music you like and is widely popular... but requires computer software to even make it sound in tune.

i know im not talking about the merits or talents of the artist in question, be they there or not... im talking about the way this was edited and presented as in context and not a produced mockery. I have no idea if this is even actually Ke$ha just because college humor says so.


I've read all of max's comments and i dont get the impression that they are forcing their opinion as anything other than that, and any reference to their own background is to provide information for your own consideration, not to brag.

max makes complete sense in this thread.

>> ^vaire2ube:

My point is
--- this sift description is deceptive (which it wouldn't be if one just sifted the AUDIO unaltered from CH, which also isnt confirmed to be really her but would be a lot of effort to fake...even though there is a fake one from CH with a convincing soundalike)
and
-- is pointless to use for any real point of comparison whatsoever.

This is essentially a mockery, and more accurately a bastardization and waste of everyones time.
A parody would attempt to be funny, you're correct... this video IS "funny", but the author was trying to mock the person sans cleverness... so i guess it would be a matter of opinion on that, really.
Also, its not a simple mix in context. If you read how he altered it, you will understand this.
any other questions??


This is exactly what the title says. Kesha without autotune. It's a live feed plus the music from the studio track. You can look up other versions of her singing this song live, it's almost exactly the same. No autotune.

The description of the mix is straightforward. He adjusted the music down a half step to match the pitch she sings it live. That's all.

Why don't you just admit that you misunderstood what the guy was writing in his description? This is a non-issue.

>> ^raverman:
Of course you're welcome to like what ever you like. Liking something doesn't make it quality.
You can like Kesha but it doesn't make it in tune, or masterful music.
You can like Jackass because it makes you laugh but it doesnt make it cinematic excellence.
There are people who have dedicated their lives to mastering the techincal skills or creating quality music. And you don't have to like it... but it doesnt make their life and experience any less valuable.
You look like an idiot for boasting about a basic tertiary education and getting personal and pissy because people are criticizing music you like and is widely popular... but requires computer software to even make it sound in tune.


I am not "boasting" about my life. You are completely missing my point. I actually think my life is fairly mediocre. But the point is that I am a real person, and just because you don't like something doesn't make it any less valid to another human being.

I'm not saying that everybody should like it. I'm saying you are not the arbiter of what is art. It does not require talent, it does not require dedication. Of course these things help the artist express what they want to express, but any idiot off the street can weld two tin cans together and call it art, and you would have no right to say "This isn't art because he isn't talented and dedicated." Art requires only an idea and an effort to make it manifest.

You can say you don't like it. You can say you think it is frivolous. You can say that you don't relate to it on a personal level. You can say you think it is out of tune. But don't say "This isn't art." How arrogant. She could be strumming random chords and chanting nonsense syllables in atonal screeching and it would still be art if that was how she chose to express herself.

Excellence is an opinion. Good or bad is an opinion. Skilled or not is an opinion. Art is whatever the artist says is art. That's not up to you.

By the way, this is also 'Musical art': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS-VvIcfSuw

CollegeHumor is the source of the alleged Raw Feed, which, if real, would be "Ke$ha without Autotune".

This is not the alleged Raw Feed.

The alleged Raw Feed sounds fine. The link to it is here on in thread as you know.



The video author did not or can not match the correct pitch to this live track using a recorded instrumental track. The attempt was to show how bad the artist is. This goes beyond the Raw Feed, and is deceptive because this isn't what the Raw Feed sounds like, and it is presented as equal.

I say the two are not equal. You can say they are, but they are not. I'm not talking about it anymore.

Ok, I see what you are saying. But you are misunderstanding what he did. "I took the instrumental track of Your Love Is My Drug, pitched it down one half-step from the studio version to match her vocals, and layered her vocal track on top of it." It is quite common for musicians to intentionally sing a half-step lower live, as it is easier on the voice, and the musicians all pitch down a half step at the same time. So the guy who mixed this simply altered the music to match what she must have been singing with during the live performance.

As far as the people that think she is off key, there's not gonna be a difference between what they hear with the music and without it. They just don't like her style.

Not the worst. Been to a karaoke bar lately?