Richard Dawkins discusses evolutionary time with children

HadouKen24says...

Upvote as much for Douglas Adams as for the human face it puts on Dawkins.

Dunno why Adams thought that the novelists were the people to turn to in the 19th century, though. Philosophers like Hegel, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, and Nietzsche had much more interesting things to say about the big questions.

JiggaJonsonsays...

When you say that Nietzsche is overrated you have to consider the time period that he was developing those ideas within.

People burn Harry Potter books today in the name of god. And if you think that what they are doing is wrong, I would pay some respect to nietzsche. Not that he deserves all of that credit, but he certainly was a pioneer in existentialism.

gwiz665says...

It's tough to avoid, but saying "we started as bacteria" is false and fuels the religious anti-evolution engine. We were never bacteria, but our ancestors were.

It is very important, especially to children, to make it perfectly clear that there are generational changes and not just one creature morphing into what it is now.

HenningKOsays...

>> ^gwiz665:
It's tough to avoid, but saying "we started as bacteria" is false and fuels the religious anti-evolution engine. We were never bacteria, but our ancestors were.
It is very important, especially to children, to make it perfectly clear that there are generational changes and not just one creature morphing into what it is now.


On the other hand, "we" (depends on what "we" he's talking about: you and I is false, we as a species is very true) emphasizes the essential oneness of everything alive today. Common ancestry. Humans and bacteria are the same in that we both started as bacteria. We're all part of the same evolutionary story, and that's an important lesson too.
But you're right: I think if this show were made today, even Dawkins would soften up the parts where you can hear Christian teeth grinding.

Bidoulerouxsays...

>> ^peggedbea:
also, nietzsche=extremely overrated. hegel=extremely underrated

Haha! While I can agree that Nietzsche is indeed overrated since his post-WWII revival, Hegel has been overrated since 1807. Not to mention the fact that every time Hegel spoke about science he was dead wrong. At least Nietzsche kept his mouth shut.

For example Gauss said that "Noah got drunk only one time, to become then, according to the Scriptures, a judicious man, while the insanities of Hegel in the Doctoral Dissertation, where he criticizes Newton and questions the utility of a search for new planets are still wisdom if one compares them with his later remarks."

And to answer HadouKen24, Nietzsche was very much influenced by Dotoevsky, naming him his only reference in psychology. Schopenhauer almost deified Goethe, especially his literary works. And Kierkegaard was pretty much unknown until the first German translations of his work in the 1910s.

HenningKOsays...

>> ^laura:
Has anyone else noticed that Science is Mr. Dawkins' religion?


Science is not a group of claims about reality like religion is.
Science is a METHOD for testing claims.
Religion has no such method.
Therefore science is not a religion.
Thank you.

mauz15says...

>> ^laura:
Has anyone else noticed that Science is Mr. Dawkins' religion?


Religion is a Commitment to a kind or quality of life that purports to recognize A Source Beyond Itself and that recognizes certain fruits in human's conduct, culture and thought.

ReligionS try to answer the question of what commitment is the best to follow. (the buddhist way, the christian way, etc)

Now tell me where does the commitment factor applies to Dawkins? A scientist does not accept things withouth evidence, nor commits to something if sufficient and valid evidence to the contrary is presented. Where is the source beyond itself present in science and in Dawkins?

Don't confuse a passionate scientist for a dogmatic person.

peggedbeasays...

im not so wild about the dawkins, the thing that struck me and the reason i posted this video, is the idea that if my kids had this kind of dialogue in their school (in our small texas town with a church and a gas station on every alternating corner) heads would roll. i was impressed with the awesomeness that somewhere kids might actually be getting a scientific education thats not all muddled by the prevailing faith of the community they live in.... and then it made me sad for my kids... and sad for the amazing science teachers (i went to school there too and i loooove those ladies) that are strangled by the unappologetic shackles their community puts on them.

peggedbeasays...

infact a few weeks ago my 5 year old was asking me about the origins of people and where adam and eve come into play and i was actually paranoid that i was going to get phone calls from the school if she repeated what i told her. more paranoid than the day i told her what the middle finger means and why people say fuck you.

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