The delivery of that last line was perfection.

All this hoopla to accommodate 0.03% of the population.

Its not a GOD thing, homophobic type thing. Its a fear thing. No one wants to have their wife or daughter in a bathroom with a poorly dressed X dresser..( If they were that good inX dressing then no one would know to be icked out.)


937,713 have signed the Target ban as of 4/27/16 or about 0.3% of the population.

Well, to be fair, it's been scientifically proven that gays and transgenders have cooties.

TAG! No erasies.

Oh FFS ,why do we even have gendered bathrooms anyway? Just have a room with a bunch of urinals and a separate room with a bunch of stalls. Use one if you can urinate standing up and the other if you want to sit down.

People need to get over this and stop being so fucking precious.

its about spreading hate and fear about people who have done nothing to deserve it. Hinting that transgender people will abuse your child. Your child is more likely to be abused by a priest,than any random transgender person. Its about ignorance. The most likely person to abuse your child, IS YOU .

There's a big point being missed by people. Transgender people already use bathrooms alongside children. Paedophiles already use bathrooms alongside children. Even if one accepts the above as a problem, what does playing musical bathrooms accomplish? We swap sons at risk for daughters at risk, and vice versa? It's nonsense.

In defense of transgender and transsexual people you attack priests. Lol.

I keep hearing from people that the thing they fear is not transgender people, but males who can go into female bathrooms unchallenged in a society where anyone can use any bathroom. Unchallenged because people will have to assume that they must identify as the opposite gender - even if they don't.

But also it is about upsetting societal norms.

Yeah... and lets be honest, if history has taught us nothing... that is ALWAYS a bad thing.

That's only partially true. Under a certain age, about 8 or so years old, male children will invariably go to the female bathroom with their mothers, or male bathroom with their fathers. Going to the female bathroom with their mother reduces the exposure to male pedophiles (and they represent most pedophiles).

Whether or not it reduces risk of harm is doubtful since they are accompanied by a parent anyway.

If someone can confidently show with a study showing that allowing cross bathroom use won't increase anyone's risk from sexual predators (and I'm not referring to transgender or transsexual people) then that should shut down the issue pretty quick.

White cis male weighing in, so I know the only acceptable position I can take is to defer the decision to others, but I'll chance it.

It seems pretty obvious to me the people taking the most abuse in and having the most anxiety on the subject are going to be anyone transgendered.

I am however a bit reluctant to rule out the concern that might be held by the female half of the population of using public bathrooms alongside males. I know, most of the proposals are all based on simply allowing transgender people who identify as female to use female restrooms. I don't however think it's fair to straight out reject concerns from females that male predators, or more probably 'mere' perverts, can pretty easily 'fake it' and walk right in.

The argument of just get over yourself or you phobias also cuts both ways. Anyone insisting this is a world altering vital battleground over freedom and privacy is maybe taking things too far.

We have gendered bathrooms because men are pigs. In prison, even men are warned to be careful and watch themselves in the bathrooms. No, most of the population isn't made of people out to commit sexual assaults. However, I can appreciate women not wanting to have to wonder if the men sharing the bathroom with them are one just this time.

More practically than that, we are sexual creatures and bathroom etiquette would be complicated. Can't have that...

So then, why on earth do you think they are forcing it to happen?
The law REQUIRES men to use women's rooms, and vice versa. They are making it EASIER for men to go into women's rooms, because they REQUIRE it by law now. They don't have to go in drag or wear makeup, they just have to say they were BORN a woman and saunter right in.
What brain dead idiocy they've made into law here. They have required by law the very thing they were trying to outlaw.

Oh boo hoo. You have to accommodate SOOOOOOOO much.

omg...all these professionally offended right wing clowns who can't pee if they think they're standing next to a woman. Why on earth should the rest of us give two hoots to your insecurities about sex is completely beyond me.

When its another minority you can't understand the fuss...except when it's you.

Do the toilets everywhere else in the world have magical force fields on them that stop the opposite sex entering the wrong bathroom, or what? Have i been using the antiquated honour-system bathrooms where it's an open door that humans can pass freely through?

The reason i ask is because there seems to be an unspoken agreement in this discussion that "allowing" transgender men into female bathrooms CREATES the problem of sexual predators going into women's bathrooms.

How many sexual predators have been keeping a dress, a wig and fake breasts in the cupboard hoping and praying for the moment that they pass the law which magically opens up this previously inaccessible area? The idea that sex offenders have been walking past women's bathrooms all this time desperate and yet unable to get in, and now we're going to turn off the force fields and things will be different!

This doesn't create a new risk. Sexual predators can go into women's bathrooms right now. And you can't go in and check before your daughter uses it, so how do you know one isn't in there? What extra risk is there?

Hence, why I suggested one bathroom for urinals and one for stalls.

That said, I obviously frequent a better class of public bathroom than you as most of the ones I've been in weren't swimming in urine

Ladies and gentlemen..... I present to you: the problem.

As a person who cleaned restrooms while I was in college, I can say that women's rooms are just as bad as men's. You just haven't lived until you've tried to unclog a toilet that got clogged by a sanitary napkin some idiot tried to flush with their poo.

Additionally, at least in college restrooms, the likelihood of puke was much higher on the female side.

No force fields, just people who will challenge you. I.e. in almost all the world, in general, if the someone tries to enter the opposite sex's bathroom, they will be challenged. Yes, if nobody is around then nobody will challenge them.

You won't need a wig and dress under the new system. You'll only need to walk straight in, in full male clothing. No one will challenge you because they'll be under the assumption that you identify as the female gender.

So to be clear, this will increase the opportunities for people to enter the opposite sex's bathroom. That is the extra risk.

Just to clear up some general confusion I see:

You can be transgender and not change your clothing or sexual appearance.

You can be transsexual and still be cisgender. I.e. you can have sexual reassignment, or cross-dress and remain cisgender.

I cleaned for years too. I disagree. In my experience women's bathrooms are in general much cleaner.

Ergo, the problem with anecdotes.

I have to say, a public bathroom really is the last place I'd want to rape anyone.

I don't think anyone is concerned about the sexual assault of children while their parents are present. The bogeyman that infects parent's minds is that the unattended child, who is naive and incredibly trusting of adults, will be taken advantage of.

I think that the entire notion of the sexual assault of children is grossly over represented in our media and our perception. I'm just saying that changing which bathroom you want the supposedly 'risky' individuals to use only changes which children you put at 'risk'. Nothing is solved.

Personally, I'd be happy with a big communal bucket marked "Whatever".

I think people going into the obviously incorrect bathroom will get challenged, no matter what rules / laws are on the books. Laws can punish extreme challenges / reactions, but they can't prevent them.

I can't say whether that is a good or bad thing (I suppose there are reasonable arguments for both), but it does tend to support the "what's the point" side...