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this man will henceforth be known as Choggie II.

EPIC!

stabbed with a knife.... knocked out for 22 minutes..... does anyone have a link to this advanced version of the fight?

hey he cant smoke in their !

my god.

this guy.

this fuckin guy.

Heroic.

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Wow. Kind of feel more sympathetic to him, but also feel he is a bit more touched than I previously thought.

I also feel more sympathetic for that guy, but after reading GA's quote, >> ^GoodAttorney:
Heroic.


I feel kinda sorry for people who are so short of heroes to make this troubled guy into one. The Great White Hope ain't what it used to be.......

Yeah this is just bizarre.

His version of the fight is a little off... a knife? punched 3 times? knocked out for 22 minutes? "you're gonna go to vietnam now, mother!"
The fight stemmed from his needing of a shoe shine for his mom's funeral, but then later he said his mom died 2 days later (and that seemed super uncomfortable in the video).

reminds me of Walter Sobchak in a few ways now....

Well, he wants to avoid attention, so there's a difference right there.
>> ^Shepppard:
this man will henceforth be known as Choggie II.

> but also feel he is a bit more touched

does that mean crazy?

Epic Beard Man turns out to be an epic liar. His version of events doesn't jive with the bus video.

>> ^geo321:
Epic Beard Man turns out to be an epic liar. His version of events doesn't jive with the bus video.


It's not a lie if you believe it.

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yes.>> ^deathcow:
> but also feel he is a bit more touched
does that mean crazy?

this guy is nuttier than 2 squirrels fighting over sunflower seeds.

I read in some places that Epic Beard Man is mentally unstable. That explains why his recollection is more colorful than the bus video.

War can do awful things to a man. Given what he said about the Iraq war, he clearly understands that Vietnam messed him up.

>> ^geo321:
Epic Beard Man turns out to be an epic liar. His version of events doesn't jive with the bus video.

i'm more sympathetic to him now.
but there is nothing glorious about 2 mentally ill men fighting on a bus.

He's all over the place, clearly has taken his share of life's knocks.

My Uncle was in Vietnam and he is very reserved but still gets occasional flashbacks.

I don't know if its just me, but the comments on this site just seem way off lately. Suddenly someone who exaggerates a story is mentally unstable? Hello? Have you guys ever told a story or heard a story in your lives? I'm really starting to believe this generation of posters is completely out of touch with reality.

Witness recollection has never been reliable because they weren't sitting at a computer watching a video of the event 10 times over, they had to live through it in seconds with other things on their mind.

You know something ain't right when 4chan has better color commentary...

Idk what to say so "EPIC" suits me just fine.

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It wasn't just the exaggeration that made me think he is a bit mentally ill- it was more the manic switches in emotion and just a general disconnect from reality.>> ^imstellar28:
I don't know if its just me, but the comments on this site just seem way off lately. Suddenly someone who exaggerates a story is mentally unstable? Hello? Have you guys ever told a story or heard a story in your lives? I'm really starting to believe this generation of posters is completely out of touch with reality.
Witness recollection has never been reliable because they weren't sitting at a computer watching a video of the event 10 times over, they had to live through it in seconds with other things on their mind.
You know something ain't right when 4chan has better color commentary...

good to get his side of the story, i wonder if the guy he knocked out for 22 mins ever got his ambalamps

Even the crazies are happy bush is out of office

>> ^dag:
It wasn't just the exaggeration that made me think he is a bit mentally ill- it was more the manic switches in emotion and just a general disconnect from reality.>>


His momma died, you the one who's crazy, Dag.

>> ^longde:
I also feel more sympathetic for that guy, but after reading GA's quote, >> ^GoodAttorney:
Heroic.

I feel kinda sorry for people who are so short of heroes to make this troubled guy into one. The Great White Hope ain't what it used to be.......


Dang. You could just call my comment "disgusting" and leave it at that (you've done it before to some other newb). Maybe you don't have a father figure in advanced age who rides the bus and may be subjected to this type of silliness only to be able to answer forcefully.

Get off the high horse for a second. We're all a little crazy. Thank the good lord there is you, with your large, generous, and sympathetic heart to guide us into the moral oblivion that is what the world is supposed to be and not what it is.

Are old adults still surprised when their parents die? On average, a 90 year old in the US has a 16% chance of dying before they turn 91.*

If we expect reality to operate rationally, expected outcomes become much less disruptive.

*http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html

He may have gone astray in his youth and his brain may not serve him as well as it used to, but i'd rate this guy a hero. To know when to walk away and when to stand up for yourself are commendable traits. When the shit hit the fan he had the balls to do the right thing, twice. If anyone deserves their 15 minutes of fame it's him and I hope life is better for him because of it.

Look, the guy is not in any way heroic. Tragic, yes; a sympathetic figure to some, sure; but heroic, no way.

Just over the last month, there are people all over the world that have done heroic things, much of it captured on youtube and videosift. Some kid pushed a stalled car off rail tracks before it was hit. People rescued others from collapsed buildings after an earthquake. Police and firemen have saved lives this week. Yet, this guy gets the moniker of "epic" and you call him a hero. Get real. Is your bar for heroism that low? If so, that's sad.

Irony alert when preachy people tell me to get off my high horse. I do have some crazy relatives, but I'm not addled enough to call them heroes. I try to get them help when i can. Which is what is missing from this hullabaloo. Of all the videos and websites, who is raising money to get this man some help? People are going so far as to post the names and addresses of the camera people for revenge, and others are talking about recovering the guy's bag. Those things aren't going to help this guy.

Most videos are just using his image to drive some stupid meme. This video for example. She obviously found this guy. Why not ask him about his living conditions and how to help, and then relay to others with her video. Noone is helping because they see EBM as a sideshow, to be forgotten tomorrow.

>> ^GoodAttorney:
>> ^longde:
I also feel more sympathetic for that guy, but after reading GA's quote, >> ^GoodAttorney:
Heroic.

I feel kinda sorry for people who are so short of heroes to make this troubled guy into one. The Great White Hope ain't what it used to be.......

Dang. You could just call my comment "disgusting" and leave it at that (you've done it before to some other newb). Maybe you don't have a father figure in advanced age who rides the bus and may be subjected to this type of silliness only to be able to answer forcefully.
Get off the high horse for a second. We're all a little crazy. Thank the good lord there is you, with your large, generous, and sympathetic heart to guide us into the moral oblivion that is what the world is supposed to be and not what it is.

Lit cigarette in the coffee shop too, what a bad ass.

>> ^marinara:
>> ^dag:
It wasn't just the exaggeration that made me think he is a bit mentally ill- it was more the manic switches in emotion and just a general disconnect from reality.>>

His momma died, you the one who's crazy, Dag.


Still doesn't change the fact that old man was making up stories left right and centre - how much time had that kid supposedly served? Who told EBM that? Why did he just wing like it was off the top of his head? How come that info isnt in the papers?

I'll eat my avatar if assertion he made was true.

>> ^deathcow:
stabbed with a knife.... knocked out for 22 minutes..... does anyone have a link to this advanced version of the fight?


actually yes

Tekken character material right here

We don't know what happened before the original tape started but if you rewatch it and compare it to what this guy is saying here the two don't match. He's pandering to what people value in a way that bends history to make him look like a good guy. Sounds like narcissistic personality disorder.

I don't get all the picking apart of the man's statements. He is clearly not in complete touch with reality. He is clearly saying what he believes to be true. I seriously doubt he has any intentions in glorifying the situation to make himself a "hero" or to gain celebrity type status. I think the man believes what he says, even if it doesn't jive with what he said 2 sentences prior.

Hmm, that is a lot of stuff to pick through. The biggest question, I think, is whether the young fellow really was a murderer on parole. If true, wouldn't someone like the smoking gun have dug that up by now?

I wonder how he got into the service. I think he suffers from Bipolar Disorder.

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Dude, you're the one that's preachy. Come on, dude. I put one word down, and you go off on how sad you are about the condition of the world, about my heroes, and the rest.

The video was FUNNY. The young dude got what he deserved, and EBM was able to defend himself.

It's not like I wrote down "[h]eroic" in all CAPS followed by exclamation point as so: "HEROIC!"

>> ^longde:
Look, the guy is not in any way heroic. Tragic, yes; a sympathetic figure to some, sure; but heroic, no way.
Just over the last month, there are people all over the world that have done heroic things, much of it captured on youtube and videosift. Some kid pushed a stalled car off rail tracks before it was hit. People rescued others from collapsed buildings after an earthquake. Police and firemen have saved lives this week. Yet, this guy gets the moniker of "epic" and you call him a hero. Get real. Is your bar for heroism that low? If so, that's sad.
Irony alert when preachy people tell me to get off my high horse. I do have some crazy relatives, but I'm not addled enough to call them heroes. I try to get them help when i can. Which is what is missing from this hullabaloo. Of all the videos and websites, who is raising money to get this man some help? People are going so far as to post the names and addresses of the camera people for revenge, and others are talking about recovering the guy's bag. Those things aren't going to help this guy.
Most videos are just using his image to drive some stupid meme. This video for example. She obviously found this guy. Why not ask him about his living conditions and how to help, and then relay to others with her video. Noone is helping because they see EBM as a sideshow, to be forgotten tomorrow.
>> ^GoodAttorney:
>> ^longde:
I also feel more sympathetic for that guy, but after reading GA's quote, >> ^GoodAttorney:
Heroic.

I feel kinda sorry for people who are so short of heroes to make this troubled guy into one. The Great White Hope ain't what it used to be.......

Dang. You could just call my comment "disgusting" and leave it at that (you've done it before to some other newb). Maybe you don't have a father figure in advanced age who rides the bus and may be subjected to this type of silliness only to be able to answer forcefully.
Get off the high horse for a second. We're all a little crazy. Thank the good lord there is you, with your large, generous, and sympathetic heart to guide us into the moral oblivion that is what the world is supposed to be and not what it is.

The fact that you wrote 'heroic' in any form is troubling and was too much for my BS meter.

he's trying to blend in with the coffee shop by wearing camo

Yep, complete nutcase. Given the number of videos that immediately surfaced of him getting violent, I have to wonder if he should really be walking loose...

To be a hero is to act when others just film...

This story, and the responses of the internet community (including those above and in other posts on this) is a doctoral thesis waiting to happen. Psychologists would have a field day.

"Emotional response based on imperfect information and dependent upon lived experiences: an internet case study"

or

"How to leap to conclusions and berate others who disagree"

This whole thing reminds me of a Harvard study I read about in college - The psychologist shows people a picture of two men having an argument in a subway train. One has a razor in his hand the other is unarmed. When people were shown the image briefly and then asked who was holding the razor 50% said it was the black man, when it was actually the white man. I failed that test then and it was sobering - you can be racist and not realize it or intend it. I think I'd pass it today but I don't think the average person would....

>> ^NordlichReiter:
I wonder how he got into the service. I think he suffers from Bipolar Disorder.


Back then all that was required to enlist was bend over and spread your cheeks while the military doctor shined a flashlight up your ass. If no light came out your mouth or eyes, then you were cleared for duty.

>> ^alizarin:
This whole thing reminds me of a Harvard study I read about in college - The psychologist shows people a picture of two men having an argument in a subway train. One has a razor in his hand the other is unarmed. When people were shown the image briefly and then asked who was holding the razor 50% said it was the black man, when it was actually the white man. I failed that test then and it was sobering - you can be racist and not realize it or intend it. I think I'd pass it today but I don't think the average person would....


I've seen similar studies and I'm not calling them BS, but in the example you just gave, as the viewing duration goes to zero, you expect 50% of people to choose the black man if nobody was racist. That's just random guessing because you didn't have time to fully parse the image.

>> ^alizarin:
This whole thing reminds me of a Harvard study I read about in college - The psychologist shows people a picture of two men having an argument in a subway train. One has a razor in his hand the other is unarmed. When people were shown the image briefly and then asked who was holding the razor 50% said it was the black man, when it was actually the white man. I failed that test then and it was sobering - you can be racist and not realize it or intend it. I think I'd pass it today but I don't think the average person would....


You read the study? And you participated?

He is talking about the same thing that you saw in video. He is also just commenting in general about the OTHER people he had to deal with when referring to things not in the video.

People do that when they get emotional, they bring up instances that don't have anything to do with the question or event. Thats why they say "don't get all emotional" when you have to fire someone or tell someone something they don't want to hear.

I don't thing he is a hero or anything like that, but he did a good job. His mental condition has nothing to do with it.

What he did was just fine, heroic might be a bit much, but he did the right thing in pounding the guy who attacked him. He tried to walk away, and both of them kept throwing verbal abuse at each other. The black dud initiated the attack, Epic Beard Man finished it.

The only thing I see that's a little shady, is that he kept hitting on him for quite some time ~10 sec which was probably not needed, but if he thought the other guy had a knife, I would want to make sure he didn't come back up to shank me as well.

Yeah he's crazy and we need guys like that on ALL the buses in Oakland.
East Palo Alto and parts of San Jose too.

alizarin is clearly a bipolar nut case because his recollection of events are off. Take this guy off the streets!

>> ^Raaagh:
>> ^alizarin:
This whole thing reminds me of a Harvard study I read about in college - The psychologist shows people a picture of two men having an argument in a subway train. One has a razor in his hand the other is unarmed. When people were shown the image briefly and then asked who was holding the razor 50% said it was the black man, when it was actually the white man. I failed that test then and it was sobering - you can be racist and not realize it or intend it. I think I'd pass it today but I don't think the average person would....

You read the study? And you participated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8ZDs-D8Ys&feature=player_embedded#

"I was talking about the clothes I was going to wear to my friend Bob['s] who was my fricking passenger friend on the bus we were going to Frisco to get some weed for our arthritis and pain and I was talking about I'm gonna wear a powder blue fucking suit a white shirt and red tie..."

Where is moma's funeral?

http://www.iamamotherfucker.com/ describes Mr Slick as an epic raconteur lol.

The daughter of the man who allegedly flew a plane into an IRS building in Austin, killing one person and injuring a dozen others, says her father is a hero because he stood up to the system.

"I think too many people lay around and wait for things to happen. But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished," Samantha Bell told Good Morning America.

>> ^Payback:
To be a hero is to act when others just film...

If you need crazy bums to fight your battles where blacks and latinos live, it's best you stay away.....>> ^Memorare:
Yeah he's crazy and we need guys like that on ALL the buses in Oakland.
East Palo Alto and parts of San Jose too.

Here's an interview with the other guy