I always thought they had at least some first aid training. Why the fuck are they not helping him, at least with stopping the bleeding?

Better we console the idiot officer instead off camera.

Gotta love the cops getting their story straight right away. Don't bother with the guy bleeding on the ground.

Priorities.

also this guy is an idiot for getting out of his car in a traffic stop and actually pointing his black wallet at the cop and grabbing at it with his right hand unnecessarily. If you kinda squint it actually looks like he's trying to pull a gun and shoot. If this was one of those arcade games where you had to shoot the 'bad guys' and not shoot the innocent bystanders I would have totally lost a quarter there. (i realize that analogy dates me.)

Hmmm.... serve and protect. Made a mistake, guy on the pavement bleeding. 3 buddies show up. 5+ minutes elapse, nobody bothers to render any aid, they just kneel and watch this guy bleed. I don't think I've ever seen a more pathetically sad response to another human beings plight and suffering than this.

He opened his door prepared to show ID. The door closed on him. He never "pointed" his wallet (as if that's even possible) at all, he caught it when the door made him almost drop it, then immediately put both hands in the air, showing them both clearly and got shot for it....shot in a way that was totally unsafe for the other citizen approaching from the truck who was almost shot too.

Your take seems to be excusing this shooting, which is inexcusable.

I do wonder what let up to this.

The guy was unjustly shot. I do believe a boatload of coin from the county will be in order.



This does go to show that cops don't' just shoot blacks for nothing-- Whites are fair game also.

Maybe the US should ban wallets, easier than banning guns at least.

Watching this as a brit it makes my blood boil.

I get why the cop shot him. The way he got out of the car and was holding his wallet it really did look like it could be a gun aimed at the officer. In a country where the person getting out of the car could well be carrying a gun that's a reasonable response from the officer. I'm with that. I get it.

I don't understand how anyone thinks that all this is OK though. This would never have happened in the UK, or any other country where guns are carefully controlled. Having guns rife in the country leads to so much shit like this. So many unnecessary deaths. All these lives are worth less than 'I want to carry a gun'. It's madness, and I don't understand how you can't see that.

This cop did nothing wrong, it's the only reasonable response to that situation where there's guns everywhere. You guys need to get rid of the guns. Really.

I was actually fairly ambivalent on gun control until I moved to the UK. I lived there for 3 years and trying to explain American gun culture to a Brit is mostly what changed my mind.

I hope this fucking piece of shit cop burns in hell after dying in a fire after a cancer diagnosis of the asshole.

the rates of blacks getting shot is 3 times more than for whites

well when the Republican tax plan goes through, we won't have any money to put in that wallet anyway

Even more telling when you note there are 5 times as many whites to shoot.

Wallets, and cell phones, hair brushes, glasses cases, envelopes, small boxes, sticks, juice boxes, seat belts, toy trucks, cigarettes, cigars .....pretty much anything you can hold in your hand.
A better idea is just ban hands. No hands, you know there's no gun in their hands, problem solved. Then you don't even have to touch the second amendment to end gun violence, guns are pretty safe without fingers.
Glad that issue is resolved.

As soon as the car was cleared and they determined he wasn't armed they should have given him first aid. They should all be fired for not doing so, there is no excuse.

Good greif hes on the ground, probably close to passing out from shock and theyre like "Sir are you armed?!" Sir dont move!" I mean if he kept moving would they have shot again?

I can understand it was a quick moment. It was a tense moment when all you saw was something blank in his hands, but damn go render aid! Cant say it but yes he should have stayed in his car and waited, in his rush to get out it looked suspicious.

So many dumb mistakes in the video...

The cop was definitely in the wrong shooting the guy and if he had waited just a half a second longer, his brain probably would have registered that the guy was complying and simply holding his wallet; i.e. not a threat. The cop was likely in a defensible position, behind the squad car, so taking that extra time before using lethal force was likely doable. But that is a lot of assumptions from my comfortable office chair.

Still, to just leave the guy laying on the ground after shooting him and then continuing to bark commands at him like he's still a threat...ugh. I've seen so many wrongful shooting videos where this happens, so it makes you wonder if it is a policy thing to minimize potential for a greater lawsuit (e.g. what if rolling the guy over to address his gunshot wound causes further damage, etc); perhaps it is to protect the officer from viral infection. Who knows, but it certainly seems callous and cold hearted.

With that said, the driver is a moron getting out of his vehicle like that. Wtf. You live in a country where your police officers are all too frequently shooting unarmed citizens by mistake and you decide to jump out of your car with your dark wallet? For what purpose? Turn off the car, turn on your cabin light, roll down the window, and wait for the officer to approach. Only reach for your wallet/permit when you're asked for your ID. Seems like common sense to me.

Would you say this is due to racism or that black areas are policed more?

Studies repeatedly show it's racism.
In controlled experiments, police consistently used more force on black men than white men under the exact same circumstances.
That's almost the definition of racism, no?

Really? I've never heard of such experiments - have a link?

No, sorry. My recollection is from well over 10 years ago, something like 60 minutes or 20/20 had a story about police and race, and the studies were part of that story. There were both shoot/don't shoot quick scenarios and rate the danger 1-10 based on a photo types shown. I can't verify any more than that.

No worries, I wasn't calling you out on it, just curious to be honest.

I know it's not a popular opinion but I'm of the mindset that crime statistics should be more thoroughly collected and made public via an open data initiative. I guess the question is what would be done with the statistics? Do black communities have more incidents of violent theft? Are pedophiles more likely to be white? Do police really shoot more unarmed black people than white? Does it happen more at night or during the day? Are the offending officers always white? How long have they been in the job (is inexperience an issue, etc)?

I guess the real question is that, while knowing this information would allow us to make more informed statements about police shootings and violent crime in general, would it really help us address the core problems like social and financial inequity, education, cultural differences, etc?

Obviously data collection would need to be standardized and the presentation of it anonymized, with geographic areas generalized so as not to impact things like property values, etc.

Not necessarily

Lessons learned on the job will teach you generally which demographic is more or less trust worthy.

Just because one demographic is thought as less trustworthy does not make the judgment raciest

Don't know the full story, but all I'm saying is that if a cop is coming up to your car, even if he doesn't have his gun drawn, would you be all jerky like that and pull your wallet out in front of you will both hands really fast? from the cop's point of view it would have appeared very much like the guy was pulling a gun. Not saying the cop was right, just that if I was playing the game I mentioned I would have shot him too. but I'm not a cop so....

I also know nothing more than the video shows.

Would I do that? no, but I'm paranoid and have a terrible estimation of average police. That said, I don't think he did either. The jerky movements were because his door closed on him unexpectedly, making him drop his wallet. Without that accident making him fumble, wallet in raised hands shouldn't be scary.

Don't get me wrong, I agree it's not smart to have anything in your hands until cops are seemingly feeling safe because they're known to overreact with deadly force over nothing...but it's not fair to anyone to expect everyone to be terrified of police enough to sit perfectly still until told exactly what to do, with failure to do so ending in being shot. That ends with more citizens and more cops shot over nothing but fear.