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What about Windows ME?

Some people may still wonder why there is such a legacy extension in Windows with supporting stuff that old, but there are plenty of companies out there that proving this. I've come across at least several examples of software I've seen from a vendor being sold as new that was likely built in Windows 3.1. 16-bit apps in 2010-2011? How do they even have the software to make this stuff anymore?

Regardless, it makes me thank whomever at Microsoft has the arduous task of having to make sure NTVDM still operates in modern versions of Windows. Well, except for 64-bit os where there is no longer 16-bit support, so perhaps this will force the hand of those still building legacy apps into this century.

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>> ^Selektaa:

What about Windows ME?


It would have been a much shorter experiment.

So "boo windows!" cos my background isn't pink anymore? Why is it "a shame" that setting didn't survive 23 years of upgrades?
I don't get what conclusion, if any, I should draw from this.

He managed to upgraded from every version of Windows from the first to Windows 7, and he's bitching that it didn't keep his pink background? Why not complain that it didn't keep the default 640x480 desktop resolution from Windows 3?

<yells> "N E R D S ! ! !"

Y the summary was unnecessary.. just the act of going from DOS through to Win7 was interesting enough... seemed to jump right from win2k to winxpSP3

>> ^jimnms:

He managed to upgraded from every version of Windows from the first to Windows 7, and he's bitching that it didn't keep his pink background? Why not complain that it didn't keep the default 640x480 desktop resolution from Windows 3?


I think the very fact he's using pink is meant to be humourous. It's also the most immediately visible indication of how the upgrade process, which this video is all about, treats user settings from the previous version.

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Am I a nerd if I thought that was awesome?

Hopeless nerds like this guy are what made the internet awesome.

I just wanted to know wh...oh who gives a shit it's 2011 and I'm playing Bulletstorm on Windows 7 with a 465GTX setup.

/The experiment was, pointless. And yes, I'm really playing it: it's "fuck my dick" awesome.
//VVVVVVV

Why didn't they keep the VESA card slots? Why don't I have a VGA slot? Why don't I have a floppy disk drive? BOOHOO!!! Seriously, it's the same type of test and it makes you look stupid.

>> ^Selektaa:

What about Windows ME?


I think he said 2000 was the next version to be released, don't think there was ever a downgrade path from 2000 to ME, which was basically just rebadged 98 done bad.

Colour me impressed Microsoft, I really didn't think you had kept up compatibility that well for that long, so kudos... kudos (ku DOS... geddit? Ah sod yah)

Uh, nerd comment here, but I'm pretty sure DOS 5.0 didn't boot to the shell by default. Confirm/override anyone? I'm too lazy to fire up a VM to answer the question.

Why yes, yes you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that. >> ^enon:

Am I a nerd if I thought that was awesome?

What, no Microsoft Bob?

Great video.

It should be noted that the compatibility of software across all versions of Windows is the primary reason the operating system has always been so buggy as compared to Apple's, who has had no qualms about losing compatibility in favor of an improved OS. Each paradigm has its obvious benefits and drawbacks.

I'm just glad with Windows 7 they finally were able to overcome a lot of the instability inherent in the DNA of the OS.

Wow that takes me back... \= )

I'm surprised he included Windows 2000 since that was basically an updated version of Windows NT (which wasn't included) and wasn't part of the home user upgrade path. It would have been more realistic to upgrade Win98 -> WinME -> WinXP.

I would have also liked to see him try upgrading through WinXP x64 just to see if anything blew up.

If I remember correctly WinXP can't be upgraded directly to Win7, so the only upgrade path is WinXP -> Vista -> Win7 for those masochists who refuse to install a fresh copy of Win7. I think that's Microsoft's way of trying to cut off legacy problems.

>> ^Psychologic:

I'm surprised he included Windows 2000 since that was basically an updated version of Windows NT (which wasn't included) and wasn't part of the home user upgrade path.

True, but 2000 was compatible to at least some win9x/DOS applications, while the NT totally wasn't AFAIK. That's one of the reasons, along with winME sucking, many people did like he did here and switched from 98 to 2000.

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I just thought I'd point out that I've ran my main computer (of course I'm a hardware geek, so I know my stuff--no conflicts is another way to put it) for 4 years on Vista SP2 64-Bit WITHOUT ONE CRASH (this is a: on for 24/7 as it acts as a media server and Windows Media Center Extender-provider)! Now I'm on Win 7 64-Bit and same deal, nothing, no problems, no crashes, and I have my fair share of peripherals plugged in.

People need to realize that somewhere towards the end of Vista and into Windows 7 Microsoft has taken their crappy old software and made it work extremely well, considering what it has to do. It has drivers for virtually everything and if your a scientist, engineer, or something similar you're using Windows for this very reason: Windows will recognize your device and allow you to write a driver to let you do whatever you need it to do; easily!

People are afraid to switch out Windows XP. They're expecting to go through all the hassle only to get the same crap. But, Windows 7 is definitely a new breed of design for Microsoft. You can tell the old guys must have been canned or given an epiphany inducing lashing by Bill: Bill was retired from production for a long time, but when Vista came out, it literally pissed him off (as he was trying to use it himself) and there was a big bust-up/fight internally; so in a way I'm glad Vista started out as a complete and utter piece of crap that performed as well as a brick in a GrandPrix race. It led to Windows 7 and the service packs that made Vista very usable.

Again, back to why Windows IS successful even when it was crashing... You can right your own driver AND IT WORKS. Now days it works great, and the development software is pretty straight forward and is fairly good. That is the one thing he should point out in the video is the extremes Microsoft went to (and still does), to get an OS that would do everything. Yeah, it crashed and was buggy, but realistically you won't be running your new hardware on a MacOS. People with MacOS's (in the past especially) are one trick pony users. They do music or they do art. They don't need a virtual driver that supports incoming data from a USB blender/centrifuge that will let you write a program using the driver to tamper with the spin and modulation rate of the device while getting real-time data updates. Hell, the roving "Doppler on Wheels" uses Windows for this very reason.

Microsoft takes a lot of flak, but they filled their role very well and I was never surprised that it was buggy (however, I'll totally agree that the initial version of Vista was a complete an utter joke--like I said I didn't get it till they had their second service pack and had great user feedback; especially, since I went 64-bit).

Windows 7 though IS the OS to use or some sort of Linux distribution. But, with the great support built in, right off the bat (this time) and the easy to make drivers for developers and hardware vendors, it's getting hard to find a reason to not use it other than: "I hate Windows and/or Bill Gates".

Thought I'd write this bit if people didn't know the story or reasons why the latest Windows have changed direction so drastically.

geeky, saliva heavy nasally voice; check !

"People need to realize that somewhere towards the end of Vista and into Windows 7 Microsoft has taken their crappy old software and made it work extremely well" -- I assume by this you mean "now when things crash the desktop is reloaded quickly".

>> ^Selektaa:

What about Windows ME?


*shudders*

Poor guy really loves those old color schemes.....

>> ^sirex:

geeky, saliva heavy nasally voice; check !
"People need to realize that somewhere towards the end of Vista and into Windows 7 Microsoft has taken their crappy old software and made it work extremely well" -- I assume by this you mean "now when things crash the desktop is reloaded quickly".


I'm sorry you're screwing yourself out of a good PC experience. Best of luck.


In Kind,
Person That Doesn't Install Every Program Possible From Every Site They Visit Using Legacy Hardware From 1994


P.S.- When a program crashes nowadays you're pretty much guaranteed that they caused the error. Strangely enough Windows (and Mac OS) both refresh their desktops when leaving a program--funny; I wonder why.
P.S.S.- If I come across as a, "geeky, saliva heavy nasally voice" and I am a geek; but, you come across as a, "mouth breather". No hard feelings, right?

/Sorry, I have to do that, it's written into my DNA sequences.