This is How Good Cops Act: Heroic Officer Refuses to Shoot

Mordhaussays...

We always seem to see lately how the bad cops act. This time we see a good cop, faced down with a double murder suspect charging him, refuse to shoot. The cop said later "I wanted to be absolutely sure {before shooting}."

siftbotsays...

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janlugtsays...

My first reaction was: "they didn't even taser him when he was on the ground, what kind of cops are they?". Respect for all the officers involved, many of their colleagues have a lot to learn from this.

Januarisays...

He could have pulled the trigger and i don't think anyone would have questioned the decision. It almost seems like the man was trying to get the officer to shoot him.

Pretty remarkable.

Bruti79says...

I always like to compare it to the Futurama episode where Bender meets god.

If a cop is doing their job right, it looks like they're not doing anything at all.

lucky760says...

I think the cop made the wrong call because he could very well have been killed. He put himself in a very precarious position where his life was in imminent danger, and good for him that he was willing to risk his own life to avoid at any cost killing the guy, but in general I think cops shouldn't follow his lead because it's probably not likely they'll be as lucky as this cop was.

Jinxsays...

Probably wanted to avoid all the paperwork for discharging his firearm.

Inb4 he is passed over for promotion because he failed to meet some bullshit quota set by the higher ups.

That man is real police.

articiansays...

I don't believe this is a fake video, but even if it were I'd say all officers should follow suit.
Training videos are fake videos, but they still function to serve as a model for performance and expectation.
I can't express how good this makes me feel when I see videos like this. I'd give my life for this man, in hope that what he is representing here is true, because this is the demeanor in which I expect all human beings to have, at the very, very least for those of whom we've deputized to watch over us.

articiansays...

I'm going to write this guy a letter. If you have the time, you should do the same.

I don't have the time to write the rest of America and express how their officers should function in this way. How do you extend such sentiments to the rest of the world? Effectively?

Lawdeedawsays...

Not only that, but had the guy gotten his gun and murdered a mother/daughter/elderly guy for their car or w/e, he would have been directly responsible...

lucky760said:

I think the cop made the wrong call because he could very well have been killed. He put himself in a very precarious position where his life was in imminent danger, and good for him that he was willing to risk his own life to avoid at any cost killing the guy, but in general I think cops shouldn't follow his lead because it's probably not likely they'll be as lucky as this cop was.

jmdsays...

Seriously... why the shoot to kill mantra? Just shoot to disable... or at least laugh as he hops on one foot.

KrazyKat42said:

Congrats to that cop.
But if it was me, I would have shot him in the leg. Or in the knee.
Just sayin.

Drachen_Jagersays...

If any police/military force is trained to "shoot to kill" I am unaware of it.

Every such force I know of trains members to "shoot to hit", which means center of visible body mass.

You can't "shoot to incapacitate" with regular ammunition. The targets either get so small (lower arm/leg) that they're impractical to shoot at, or you stand a significant risk of killing your target (femoral artery, a miss to the upper arm).

If you NEED to shoot, you need to put the target down NOW. Shooting at extremities is foolish and risky.

jmdsaid:

Seriously... why the shoot to kill mantra? Just shoot to disable... or at least laugh as he hops on one foot.

Nephelimdreamsays...

More cameras on cops please. Not only will officers be held accountable for any wrongdoing, the public gets the chance to see what the police can be up against at any given moment. That split second when the suspect pulls his hands out of his pockets is asking a lot out of a person to make the right call.

jmdsays...

Drachen, I understand where you are coming from, but how about at this range? With his hands in his pocket and advancing on the officer, ignoring his instructions, there is enough threat to the officer to take a lethal shot, but at that range hitting an extremity is fairly trivial to anyone with some gun training. Sure there is always the chance of a bleed out, but far so less then a body shot. I've been using fire arms since my teens, about 30 years ago, it isn't rocket science. It is tactics.

Drachen_Jagersaid:

If any police/military force is trained to "shoot to kill" I am unaware of it.

Every such force I know of trains members to "shoot to hit", which means center of visible body mass.

You can't "shoot to incapacitate" with regular ammunition. The targets either get so small (lower arm/leg) that they're impractical to shoot at, or you stand a significant risk of killing your target (femoral artery, a miss to the upper arm).

If you NEED to shoot, you need to put the target down NOW. Shooting at extremities is foolish and risky.

kingmobsays...

Wow...
He should have shot him.
Several times in fact.

With all the horrible shootings on tape recently with people not understanding that police officers operate in 'survival' mode and shooting while last on the list has to be considered. People suggesting shoot him in the arm or leg have NEVER fired a handgun ever.

This is an instance where I thought he should have shot him and he didn't probably motivated by all the current police hate that he didn't want to be a part of.

I was especially impressed close to the end where the suspect stopped but left his hand in his pocket. I would have definitely shot him at that point.

Hats off to the officer.
When something like this happens do we get a parade instead of a riot?

BicycleRepairMansays...

Breaking News: Cop does NOT shoot suspect.

While I think its a good thing that he didnt shoot, I'd go even further and complain that he did DRAW a gun. That might have been warranted in this situation, but it seems to be standard practice to draw the gun (accompanied by loud, aggressive shouting) as soon as possible. It seems to me that this tactic is inherently unhelpful on several levels, firstly it makes it much easier to end the situation by trigger-pulling, secondly, but perhaps more importantly, it heightens the tensions and the stakes. Someone who has a gun drawn on them will intutively react with a form of panic. This combination is a recipe for a lethal ending.

Naturally, I understand the fact that the police has a dangerous job, and sometimes the threat of lethal force is warranted, but the bar should be high. Very, very high.

Lawdeedawsays...

Bicycle, the last sentences showed me that you have a level head and stopped me from my knee-jerk reaction... The case here was from the start a very possible deadly force.

Double murder suspect...the guy had nothing to lose, already by judgment of safety, because he murdered two people and lets be honest, if he killed the cop he now had another gun. It is not the officer I worry about (though it would be sad if he lost his life) but the innocent guy driving by who gets shot for his car.

Second, the guy here obviously had a method to murder people. Whether he killed those two with a knife or gun would be irrelevant. I can kill you with a knife within 21 feet before you have time to draw your weapon, and that is a fact.

Third, 8% of officers die by their own weapon. That is not a small number. I would play the lotto with those odds...just saying. Once in hand to hand you better be able to win regardless of their skill...

You shoot to kill because of what might happen, not what has happened. Drawing the gun was 100% right. That four seconds where you are scrambling is three shots from the bad guy--at least I can get off three.

BicycleRepairMansaid:

Breaking News: Cop does NOT shoot suspect.

While I think its a good thing that he didnt shoot, I'd go even further and complain that he did DRAW a gun. That might have been warranted in this situation, but it seems to be standard practice to draw the gun (accompanied by loud, aggressive shouting) as soon as possible. It seems to me that this tactic is inherently unhelpful on several levels, firstly it makes it much easier to end the situation by trigger-pulling, secondly, but perhaps more importantly, it heightens the tensions and the stakes. Someone who has a gun drawn on them will intutively react with a form of panic. This combination is a recipe for a lethal ending.

Naturally, I understand the fact that the police has a dangerous job, and sometimes the threat of lethal force is warranted, but the bar should be high. Very, very high.

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