Louis CK Probably won't be Invited back to SNL after this

Louis seems to be convinced he won't be invited back after this monologue!
poolcleanersays...

Mild racism: Watching the two black band members react to Louis' jokes. How will they take the jokes?

Mild racism: Watching Age of Ultron and exclaiming, "Everyone has a black superhero friend!"

Captain America <3 Falcon

Ironman <3 War Machine

Thor <3 Heimdall

Black Widow <3 Black Nick Fury

Hulk is black Bruce Banner

Daredevil <3 the Night Nurse

Jessica Jones <3 Luke Cage

Need i get into the black on Asian, black on white, Hyde on Asian action going on in Agents of SHIELD -- you're an inhuman happa hacker that fires earthquakes out of your fingers, welcome to the future.

Yeah, mild racism!! Eventually it's all meaningless because no one cares. Don't need to be getting all Ulysses Klaw on no Wakandan kings or nuthin'.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

But also, you're a racist.

And a cop.

At least you're not molesting anyone, I hope.

Maybe that's the common ground @kevingrr was talking about

But then again, you're totally racist which is kinda like molesting every non-white person you meet, so..

Iunno, just a reminder.

lantern53said:

yeah!

Now time to go look for a video which will explain your low-functioning intellect lol

JustSayingsays...

Weird, you mention "black Nick Fury" but Heimdall, the nordic black dude, isn't "black Heimdall"? He wasn't black until Idris Elba was cast. Sam Jackson was cast because a later iteration of the Fury character was based upon him.
And what's this stuff about Hulk being the "black Bruce Banner"? Because he has remarkable pigmentation or because he's really angry?
You have a weird way of making a point about token black friends. You shall go watch all Lethal Weapon movies as punishment.

poolcleanersaid:

Mild racism: Watching the two black band members react to Louis' jokes. How will they take the jokes?

Mild racism: Watching Age of Ultron and exclaiming, "Everyone has a black superhero friend!"

Captain America <3 Falcon
Ironman <3 War Machine
Thor <3 Heimdall
Black Widow <3 Black Nick Fury
Hulk is black Bruce Banner

Daredevil <3 the Night Nurse
Jessica Jones <3 Luke Cage
Need i get into the black on Asian, black on white, Hyde on Asian action going on in Agents of SHIELD -- you're an inhuman happa hacker that fires earthquakes out of your fingers, welcome to the future.

Yeah, mild racism!! Eventually it's all meaningless because no one cares. Don't need to be getting all Ulysses Klaw on no Wakandan kings or nuthin'.

lantern53says...

No, YOU'RE a racist.

Now we're even.

But I'm proud to be a cop.

What are you proud of?

GenjiKilpatricksaid:

But also, you're a racist.

And a cop.

At least you're not molesting anyone, I hope.

Maybe that's the common ground @kevingrr was talking about

But then again, you're totally racist which is kinda like molesting every non-white person you meet, so..

Iunno, just a reminder.

poolcleanersays...

Yeah, I don't really plan out my responses. It's just what occurs to me. Just a lot of black superheroes, it's funny. I thought I did put black Heimdall, but alas my human error.

If you don't see how ridiculous it is to have an almost 1 to 1 ratio of black superheroes to ALL other races, not just white, I don't know what to tell you, buddy. It's an observation. Sort of like how in Walking Dead they introduce a new black character right before killing one off.

And, no I didn't mention anything about "token" black people, I'm talking about token Asian and Hispanic people, because apparently there's an equal number of black people to white but nothing else.

It's funny, just saying.

JustSayingsaid:

Weird, you mention "black Nick Fury" but Heimdall, the nordic black dude, isn't "black Heimdall"? He wasn't black until Idris Elba was cast. Sam Jackson was cast because a later iteration of the Fury character was based upon him.
And what's this stuff about Hulk being the "black Bruce Banner"? Because he has remarkable pigmentation or because he's really angry?
You have a weird way of making a point about token black friends. You shall go watch all Lethal Weapon movies as punishment.

newtboysays...

I must say, black Heimdall bothered me, and I thought they did it super racistly because Heimdall is described as having gleaming golden teeth.
I mean, what's up with that?
(oooo-oooweee, what's up with that, what's up with that)

JustSayingsaid:

Weird, you mention "black Nick Fury" but Heimdall, the nordic black dude, isn't "black Heimdall"? He wasn't black until Idris Elba was cast.

JustSayingsays...

The sad part is, the comics do sometimes offer better solutions. I'm tired of Peter Parker Spiderman. I grew up with him but to be honest, who the fuck is that Morales guy? I'm actually curious about him. Isn't Captain Marvel a muslim girl now?
It could be better.
However, even the black guys are just best buddies, they're never the star. At least the new MCU Avengers team is actually a bit more interesting.

JustSayingsays...

Yeah, black Heimdall is indeed weird. It's somehow the reverse to what the did with the casting of the Last Airbender movie. However, Idris Elba does a very goiod job with what he got.
I for one thought Clark Michael Duncan as Kingpin was the best thing about the Dare Devil movie and many complained about that. From a physical standpoint, he is still the best choice but sadly, he can't compete with D'Onofrio's version when it comes to the acting and writing. That Kingpin is so far the best realised Marvel villian since Loki.
Why are we discussing comicbook movies again?

newtboysaid:

I must say, black Heimdall bothered me, and I thought they did it super racistly because Heimdall is described as having gleaming golden teeth.
I mean, what's up with that?
(oooo-oooweee, what's up with that, what's up with that)

newtboysays...

There was Spawn, he was a black 'hero', and the star.
Also Deathlok, but he won't ever get a movie.
I've got a collection of both series.

JustSayingsaid:

The sad part is, the comics do sometimes offer better solutions. I'm tired of Peter Parker Spiderman. I grew up with him but to be honest, who the fuck is that Morales guy? I'm actually curious about him. Isn't Captain Marvel a muslim girl now?
It could be better.
However, even the black guys are just best buddies, they're never the star. At least the new MCU Avengers team is actually a bit more interesting.

newtboysays...

There is a difference, but I think you have it backwards.
Being racist (edit: as I see the term) doesn't necessarily mean you think ill of other races, it means you notice them, and think 'races' are different. I think almost everyone falls into that category at some level.
Being prejudiced means you pre-judge people (usually based on race, and almost always judging them poorly).
They do usually go together, but you can be one without the other as I see it (for instance, you might be prejudice against cops...no matter what color they are, but not racist (unlikely, but possible)....or you could be a racial separatist, yet not think one race is better than another, and not think one or more races are bad, but instead just think they will never get along).

Being prejudiced is worse than being racist, IMO, but they're both bad.

I'm racist, like Louis, in that I do notice that people are of certain races. I'm not very racially prejudice, in that I don't make assumptions about people based on their race (maybe based on their culture, but that's different). I am prejudice, in that I do make assumptions about people who choose certain professions.
My 2 cents.

Paybacksaid:

There are lots of people who aren't racist.

Everyone is prejudiced.

...and yes, there is a difference.

Mikus_Aureliussays...

Many (most?) dictionaries suggest that a belief of superiority is necessary for racism, not just noticing differences.

In the end, though, I don't think it's worth arguing too much about the vocabulary. Obviously I'm in the minority with this opinion. See:

1) The internet
2) People paying $40,000/year to define and discuss different forms of injustice at your local elite university

For my money, a little introspection and the golden rule goes a lot farther than labeling for every thought you have and everything you say.

newtboysaid:

There is a difference, but I think you have it backwards.
Being racist doesn't necessarily mean you think ill of other races, it means you notice them, and think 'races' are different. I think almost everyone falls into that category at some level.
Being prejudiced means you pre-judge people (usually based on race, and almost always judging them poorly).

newtboysays...

Yes.
Perhaps what I'm calling 'racist' I should start calling 'being racially aware' to be more clear.

Mikus_Aureliussaid:

Many (most?) dictionaries suggest that a belief of superiority is necessary for racism, not just noticing differences.

In the end, though, I don't think it's worth arguing too much about the vocabulary. Obviously I'm in the minority with this opinion. See:

1) The internet
2) People paying $40,000/year to define and discuss different forms of injustice at your local elite university

For my money, a little introspection and the golden rule goes a lot farther than labeling for every thought you have and everything you say.

JustSayingsays...

Guys, this ain't so hard...
You're a racist when you assign more or less value as a human being to people of a certain race (ethnical group) than you assign to yourself because of their ethnicity. There's a difference between saying "Stalin is less worth than M.L. King" (personal opinion) and "white people are worth less than blacks". The latter would be racism.
Prejudice is when you have opinions about people before knowing the facts about them.
Walking up to Mike Tyson and saying "You must have a giant cock because all black men are giants" is a prejudice that may be racist but it assigns positive values. Sure, it's offensive, like telling asian people they must be great at math, but somewhat forgivable. You're an ignorant cunt, yeah, but at least you said something flattering. You racist.
Walking up to Mike and telling him "All black men are criminals" is not only prejudice but also racist. Why? Because calling somebody a criminal is a negative judgement. A generalized negative prejudice towards an ethnic group is a racist way of thinking. Mike was convicted for raping his girlfriend. He is a criminal. Not all black men are Tyson. And if they were, I'd prefer the science variant. You're plain wrong.
Now saying "I bet all black people like listening to R'nB music" is just prejudice. There's no judgement here. Right? Unless you consider "he listens to R'n'B" an insult. How about "all polish people love ice cream"? Did you just imply polish people are all fat?
The difference between prejudice and racist prejudice lies entirely in subtext and context. It's not what you say, it's what you mean.
Prejudice is a tightrope made of blurry lines spanning over a pit of outrage. That's why politicians should not walk that way.
Being aware of differences between race, ethnic groups and talking about is simply being hones and probably not giving a shit about political correctness. We ARE different. That's the interesting part.
What we sadly forget is this: to focus on what we have in common. But somebody already said that way more eloquent than I ever could:
"Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer
as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us,
do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.

newtboysays...

That was a bit hard for me to follow....
But I agree, it's not so hard....people just feel differently about exactly what constitutes being 'racist'.
racism:"noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement"

Some accept the generalized idea that it's only about negative racial prejudice, some accept the idea that it's about (falsely*) discriminating (used in the literal sense, meaning "to note or observe a difference") between races at all (*because in nearly every case, race is not actually indicative of a specific trait).

The difference between prejudice and racial prejudice is the latter is prejudging based on race. It can be a positive or negative judgment, in either case. EDIT: that's why when it's negative, you would say 'prejudiced AGAINST'.

ChaosEnginesays...

Being super pedantic, but I think what you're calling "prejudice" is actually "stereotype".

A stereotype is basically a view that because X is true of most members of Y, it's probably true of an individual in Y. The view itself might be accurate or inaccurate, and it can be positive or negative, i.e. all Asians are good at math, but also bad drivers,
all Irish are alcoholics, but also great story tellers, etc.

Prejudice does imply judgement. It's right there in the name... it literally means pre-judgement.

JustSayingsaid:

Now saying "I bet all black people like listening to R'nB music" is just prejudice. There's no judgement here. Right? Unless you consider "he listens to R'n'B" an insult. How about "all polish people love ice cream"? Did you just imply polish people are all fat?
The difference between prejudice and racist prejudice lies entirely in subtext and context. It's not what you say, it's what you mean.
Prejudice is a tightrope made of blurry lines spanning over a pit of outrage. That's why politicians should not walk that way.
Being aware of differences between race, ethnic groups and talking about is simply being hones and probably not giving a shit about political correctness. We ARE different. That's the interesting part.

JustSayingsays...

Now we're arguing semantics. Yummy.

racism:"noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement"

See, the keyword here is achievement. There are no achievements without any form of judgement. Think of it in the most simple terms, X Box or Steam achievements. Let's say you play Call Of Duty 18 and get the "Used a gun!" achievement for firing the very first shot in the game. You got this because the game's code made a judgement. Did the player fire a shot? Yes or no. Sure, it's easy to judge that, the facts are very clear and easy to read. Are you worthy of this achievement? Are you as much worth as I am, the guy who finished the game and got the achievement?
And what about the guy who never got that achievement because he played the entire game only using a knife? Think about it, playing any Call Of Duty single player campaign using only melee weapons and throwing knives. Who's worthy know? Who achieved more?
Achievement depends entirely on the definition and who's making them. The knife guy played the way harder game and got no recognition but the guy who got the "Used A Gun!" and the "1000 Headshots!" achievement is the one bragging online about his achievements and medals next to his name.
Who has achieved more, the ethnic group that developed many different technologies (like, say, guns) or the ethnic group that still runs naked through the jungle and considers knives high-tech? "Those naked dudes are clearly stupid and less developed than I am because I got guns!" said the white man in Africa.
One of the biggest racist prejudices black americans hear is that they are lazy because they achieve so much less than white folk. They guys with the titles and medals and guns.
Achievements are the acknowledgements that you gained skills, positions, posessions, knowledge or reputation. That can only be acknowledged becaused somebody judged you. Like the test or dissertation I have to write to become a Professor of Physics. This achievement will cause other to have prejudices about me, like "He's a professor, he must be smart!"
The definition of racism you posted says this:
"racism is the belief that depending on your race you can develop in a certain way or to a certain level"
This is a modern definition based on racist expirience. It says that racists think you can not achieve more than they can based on the achievements your ancestors had compared to theirs. "Once a slave, always a slave. If black people weren't so lazy, they wouldn't need a good whipping!" That train of thought.
All that of course underplays the emotional component of hatred, the driving force of racism in its worst forms.
Now my fingers hurt.

newtboysays...

..which is getting all to close to 'now we're just arguing'..., over less than semantics, so you 'win', congratulations.
next topic.

EDIT: BTW, when you paraphrase, you use ', not ". :-)

JustSayingsaid:

Now we're arguing semantics. Yummy.

JustSayingsays...

Nope. A stereotype contains always a form of evaluation (is good at x, is a bad x, can't do x) and is therefore a prejudice. It is a commonly know, maybe even commonly accepted prejudice.
ChaosEngine plays chess. That is a prejudice. I judged that since you seem to be smart and smart people know how to play it, you must be able to play chess. You play chess.
See, I judged you and made a claim based on that judgement. The same way I could argue that because you are black (Shut up, you're black now! So say we all!) you must smell terribly like sausage because it is my experience that black people smell that way(Don't you complain about being black, I have to carry the burden of racism here). Both are not stereotypes (at least not as far as I know) but the facts that you, brother ChaosEngine, are great at basketball and posess a giant penis, are stereotypes.
I can't prove any of those right know, they are premature judgements. You may not know how to play chess and maybe you don't smell like sausages but at least both claims are not commonly made about black people. Because they're not stereotypes.
You still rule at dunking. And let's not discuss the other thing we all secretly suspect about you.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Being super pedantic, but I think what you're calling "prejudice" is actually "stereotype".
...

moduloussays...

Reminds me of "Dick Like Me" from the first season of 3rd rock from the sun which explored culture and ethnicity as an important part of identity.


"you may see color, but I see people."

"Aren't we fortunate to have someone so enlightened? - O pious one, show us the way."

"This verges on sarcasm."

"You know, my heritage happens to be very important to me."

"As it should be."

"I'm Irish, and I'm very proud of that. And you're what?"

" Me? Uh, I-I-I'm, uh one of those, uh you know, one of the really good ones. You're this big anthropologist. You tell me. What am I?"

" Certifiable."

" Yes, that's what I am-- certifiable.
Certifiable and damn proud of it, as my father was before me and his father before him and his father before him.
Certifiable.
Of course, we no longer practice."

newtboysaid:

Yes.
Perhaps what I'm calling 'racist' I should start calling 'being racially aware' to be more clear.

ChaosEnginesays...

The word stereotype originally comes from printing and simply means a copy of the original, i.e. possessing the same traits. There's no evaluation, simply expectation.

The standard model for this is that stereotype leads to prejudice which leads to discrimination.

i.e. because you're wearing a bladed glove and have a mutilated face, I expect that you are some kind of nightmare monster. This leads me to a prejudice that because nightmare monsters have tried to kill me in the past, I don't like them.
Therefore, I will actively discriminate against you by throwing you in a fire.

Thought -> emotion -> action.

But pretty much everything else is right.... except I suck at basketball.

JustSayingsaid:

Nope. A stereotype contains always a form of evaluation (is good at x, is a bad x, can't do x) and is therefore a prejudice. It is a commonly know, maybe even commonly accepted prejudice.
ChaosEngine plays chess. That is a prejudice. I judged that since you seem to be smart and smart people know how to play it, you must be able to play chess. You play chess.
See, I judged you and made a claim based on that judgement. The same way I could argue that because you are black (Shut up, you're black now! So say we all!) you must smell terribly like sausage because it is my experience that black people smell that way(Don't you complain about being black, I have to carry the burden of racism here). Both are not stereotypes (at least not as far as I know) but the facts that you, brother ChaosEngine, are great at basketball and posess a giant penis, are stereotypes.
I can't prove any of those right know, they are premature judgements. You may not know how to play chess and maybe you don't smell like sausages but at least both claims are not commonly made about black people. Because they're not stereotypes.
You still rule at dunking. And let's not discuss the other thing we all secretly suspect about you.

newtboyjokingly says...

INFIDEL!
Of course, I'm still one of the devoutly certifiable.

moduloussaid:

Reminds me of "Dick Like Me" from the first season of 3rd rock from the sun which explored culture and ethnicity as an important part of identity.


"you may see color, but I see people."

"Aren't we fortunate to have someone so enlightened? - O pious one, show us the way."

"This verges on sarcasm."

"You know, my heritage happens to be very important to me."

"As it should be."

"I'm Irish, and I'm very proud of that. And you're what?"

" Me? Uh, I-I-I'm, uh one of those, uh you know, one of the really good ones. You're this big anthropologist. You tell me. What am I?"

" Certifiable."

" Yes, that's what I am-- certifiable.
Certifiable and damn proud of it, as my father was before me and his father before him and his father before him.
Certifiable.
Of course, we no longer practice."

Paybacksays...

Prejudice - Walking down a city street, seeing 2 black kids dressed like they're in a gang, being scared.

Racist - Walking down a street, seeing two black men in decent suits and briefcases, thinking they are probably defence lawyers for gangs.

Prejudice - Finding out the white guy you just hired goes to AA meetings, so you fire him before he shows up drunk.

Racist - A theft happens at your store, so you first check the black girl's handbag, even though she says it was Cindy, the blonde with the nice ass.

Prejudice is hardwired into the human psyche. The term "intuition" is just prejudice with coating of deodorant.

Racism requires generalization. You have to have a unwarranted view of the majority of a race to be racist.

Prejudice can exist without racism. Racism on the other hand MUST contain prejudice.

poolcleanersays...

Guys, I'm so happy you argued over semantics because it really made this a good read.

It also did well in downplaying the racial hate lovers who proclaim, "Technically all people are racist." No, no, that's only what racists say.

lol! JUDGED.

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