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little lying, disrespectful shit.

Here they would arrest and sue the passenger for assaulting the guy with no ticket, and fire the employee for harassing a passenger who has found himself in a tough spot in life, unable to afford the fare.

No punches were thrown, *win as this has nothing to do with Fail.

>> ^TheSofaKing:

Here they would arrest and sue the passenger for assaulting the guy with no ticket, and fire the employee for harassing a passenger who has found himself in a tough spot in life, unable to afford the fare.


Tbh, they would here as well, but the thing is that in the northern areas (and other select areas) of great britain (and you need to go further north each year sadly) people are a lot more what i guess you'd call "hard working, salt of the earth type people". People on the train would have just said "nah, he deserved it officer, no problem here" and the police would just go fair enough, lad's been a nobhead and justice has been served.

I mean even the people saying "there's no need for that" to the big guy when he slammed the guy down would still side with the big guy if it came to it, because they know the lad needs teaching a lesson. Hands-off softly softly parenting has given us a (my generation included) whole bunch of thoughtless twats who KNOW their actions have no consequences!

Love this kind of stuff. Honest, good people. Love em.

Here's what happens in my home town with public transport cops ... and they want to give them guns.

http://youtu.be/kIk2REU3vdg

I love the Scots. A culture that still (sometimes) manages to maintain violence as an aspect of old fashioned honor and valor.

>> ^Kofi:

Here's what happens in my home town with public transport cops ... and they want to give them guns.
http://youtu.be/kIk2REU3vdg


Amazing. The inspectors involved WANTED the videos shown, to convict the passengers.

Fare-dodging scum.

We might consider handling this situation similarly here in the US, if we weren't worried about getting shot in the face.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^TheSofaKing:
Here they would arrest and sue the passenger for assaulting the guy with no ticket, and fire the employee for harassing a passenger who has found himself in a tough spot in life, unable to afford the fare.

Tbh, they would here as well, but the thing is that in the northern areas (and other select areas) of great britain (and you need to go further north each year sadly) people are a lot more what i guess you'd call "hard working, salt of the earth type people". People on the train would have just said "nah, he deserved it officer, no problem here" and the police would just go fair enough, lad's been a nobhead and justice has been served.
I mean even the people saying "there's no need for that" to the big guy when he slammed the guy down would still side with the big guy if it came to it, because they know the lad needs teaching a lesson. Hands-off softly softly parenting has given us a (my generation included) whole bunch of thoughtless twats who KNOW their actions have no consequences!
Love this kind of stuff. Honest, good people. Love em.


What in the living fuck are you babbling about tough guy? I'm sick of this "Salt of the earth hard working" Bullshit to describe Assholes who don't now how else to deal with their problems other than HIT THEM. I come from a family of Hicks with simple minds and hard working backgrounds...they don't go around beating the shit outa people they don't like just cause "That'll learn them."

Honest, good people...they're all a bunch of cunts.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^TheSofaKing:
Here they would arrest and sue the passenger for assaulting the guy with no ticket, and fire the employee for harassing a passenger who has found himself in a tough spot in life, unable to afford the fare.

Tbh, they would here as well, but the thing is that in the northern areas (and other select areas) of great britain (and you need to go further north each year sadly) people are a lot more what i guess you'd call "hard working, salt of the earth type people". People on the train would have just said "nah, he deserved it officer, no problem here" and the police would just go fair enough, lad's been a nobhead and justice has been served.
I mean even the people saying "there's no need for that" to the big guy when he slammed the guy down would still side with the big guy if it came to it, because they know the lad needs teaching a lesson. Hands-off softly softly parenting has given us a (my generation included) whole bunch of thoughtless twats who KNOW their actions have no consequences!
Love this kind of stuff. Honest, good people. Love em.

What in the living fuck are you babbling about tough guy? I'm sick of this "Salt of the earth hard working" Bullshit to describe Assholes who don't now how else to deal with their problems other than HIT THEM. I come from a family of Hicks with simple minds and hard working backgrounds...they don't go around beating the shit outa people they don't like just cause "That'll learn them."
Honest, good people...they're all a bunch of cunts.


The softly softly bullshit is the entire reason we have arrogant sub-30 year olds who are in no doubt of the fact that, at school, at home, in court, they do not need to fear consequences. Teachers hands are tied behind their fucking backs more every year that goes by. The system has been changed so much by people like you that kids have been given the CONFIDENCE to say to a teacher "what the fuck are you gonna do, you can't do anything to me, i'll sue you." Add to that absentee/non confrontational parenting at home and suddenly they think they're untouchable AND THEY'RE FUCKING RIGHT.

This kid needed teaching from a young age that doing something bad has consequences, and unfortunately little kids can't learn that through talking it out. A few short and non-painful lesson at age 4 would have saved this kid from the slam he took on the train. I hate these shitty parenting values, and we'll surely end up mired in shit if people like you have your way. Kid misbehaving - "please stop doing that, it's not faiiiiiiirrrrr" - that'll surely work right?

I'm honest, fair and certainly not a violent person. I do not advocate violence. Unfortunately, this kid was let down by his parents who failed to teach him the right lesson at the right time. And more unfortunately, the only way he's gonna learn is to get his arsed kicked when he's ~20. But hopefully getting his arsed kicked due to being a dick on a train will save an old lady from getting her handbag snatched because a little twat thinks he's untouchable.

"Tough guy?" "Cunt?" Get a fucking grip, there was absolutely no need to talk to me like that. You're worse than that little twat on the train!

BTW: do you find it in ANY way ironic that you came in advocating softly-softly yet swear and call me names, but i who advocate teaching the little turd a lesson have to rise above your insults and name calling? Is that a good way to advocate your method? I hope you learn something from that at least. You bloody well need to.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^TheSofaKing:
Here they would arrest and sue the passenger for assaulting the guy with no ticket, and fire the employee for harassing a passenger who has found himself in a tough spot in life, unable to afford the fare.

Tbh, they would here as well, but the thing is that in the northern areas (and other select areas) of great britain (and you need to go further north each year sadly) people are a lot more what i guess you'd call "hard working, salt of the earth type people". People on the train would have just said "nah, he deserved it officer, no problem here" and the police would just go fair enough, lad's been a nobhead and justice has been served.
I mean even the people saying "there's no need for that" to the big guy when he slammed the guy down would still side with the big guy if it came to it, because they know the lad needs teaching a lesson. Hands-off softly softly parenting has given us a (my generation included) whole bunch of thoughtless twats who KNOW their actions have no consequences!
Love this kind of stuff. Honest, good people. Love em.

What in the living fuck are you babbling about tough guy? I'm sick of this "Salt of the earth hard working" Bullshit to describe Assholes who don't now how else to deal with their problems other than HIT THEM. I come from a family of Hicks with simple minds and hard working backgrounds...they don't go around beating the shit outa people they don't like just cause "That'll learn them."
Honest, good people...they're all a bunch of cunts.

The softly softly bullshit is the entire reason we have arrogant sub-30 year olds who are in no doubt of the fact that, at school, at home, in court, they do not need to fear consequences. Teachers hands are tied behind their fucking backs more every year that goes by. The system has been changed so much by people like you that kids have been given the CONFIDENCE to say to a teacher "what the fuck are you gonna do, you can't do anything to me, i'll sue you." Add to that absentee/non confrontational parenting at home and suddenly they think they're untouchable AND THEY'RE FUCKING RIGHT.
This kid needed teaching from a young age that doing something bad has consequences, and unfortunately little kids can't learn that through talking it out. A few short and non-painful lesson at age 4 would have saved this kid from the slam he took on the train. I hate these shitty parenting values, and we'll surely end up mired in shit if people like you have your way. Kid misbehaving - "please stop doing that, it's not faiiiiiiirrrrr" - that'll surely work right?
I'm honest, fair and certainly not a violent person. I do not advocate violence. Unfortunately, this kid was let down by his parents who failed to teach him the right lesson at the right time. And more unfortunately, the only way he's gonna learn is to get his arsed kicked when he's ~20. But hopefully getting his arsed kicked due to being a dick on a train will save an old lady from getting her handbag snatched because a little twat thinks he's untouchable.
"Tough guy?" "Cunt?" Get a fucking grip, there was absolutely no need to talk to me like that. You're worse than that little twat on the train!
BTW: do you find it in ANY way ironic that you came in advocating softly-softly yet swear and call me names, but i who advocate teaching the little turd a lesson have to rise above your insults and name calling? Is that a good way to advocate your method? I hope you learn something from that at least. You bloody well need to.


Bravo, DannyM, Bravo.

@dannym3141 agreed. I'm close to several teachers in the states and you're right, there's no accountability anywhere. It's a damn shame and the ones that suffer in the end are the students who never learn that you sometimes have to deal with your own poor decisions.

@Yogi do you advocate the guy riding for free? Why doesn't everyone get the same privilege of riding without paying fare? This guy clearly had no intention of leaving of his own volition and he was delaying everyone else.

>> ^residue:

@dannym3141 agreed. I'm close to several teachers in the states and you're right, there's no accountability anywhere. It's a damn shame and the ones that suffer in the end are the students who never learn that you sometimes have to deal with your own poor decisions.
@Yogi do you advocate the guy riding for free? Why doesn't everyone get the same privilege of riding without paying fare? This guy clearly had no intention of leaving of his own volition and he was delaying everyone else.


No he shouldn't ride for free we have things called cops and they can meet you at the next stop if need be.

>> ^Yogi:

What in the living fuck are you babbling about tough guy? I'm sick of this "Salt of the earth hard working" Bullshit to describe Assholes who don't now how else to deal with their problems other than HIT THEM. I come from a family of Hicks with simple minds and hard working backgrounds...they don't go around beating the shit outa people they don't like just cause "That'll learn them."
Honest, good people...they're all a bunch of cunts.


I think you had a reasonable point in there somewhere - people who resort to violence aren't necessarily good, salt of the earth people. However, the "big man" doesn't hit this entitled little shit. He is physical, but he's not violent.

The little shit was holding everyone up and knew exactly what he was doing. The big man hauls him off the train and keeps him off and that's not really cool, however, there's a hundred people who probably just wanted to go home. He didn't use excessive force in throwing the little shit off the train or hurt the little shit. The big man shouldn't have been throwing the little shit off the train at all but under the circumstances, I don't have any sympathy for said little shit and if the cops are called and the little shit does suffer consequences, that won't give a hundred people back their wasted time.

I am assuming the kid knew what he was doing. I am assuming no excessive force was used - at one point they fall over but that's inevitable in a struggle.

Oh and get off the internet Danny, you're doing it wrong.

Surrendering all responsibility to the police every time anyone does anything wrong is ridiculous. Not only does it cost us more money, as a society, than the situation merits, but it ingrains in all those (not) involved that it isn't their problem and fosters the 'someone else will deal with it, so I'll just keep living in my bubble' attitude.

>> ^Barbar:

Surrendering all responsibility to the police every time anyone does anything wrong is ridiculous. Not only does it cost us more money, as a society, than the situation merits, but it ingrains in all those (not) involved that it isn't their problem and fosters the 'someone else will deal with it, so I'll just keep living in my bubble' attitude.


Good point & fair comment.

Yeah, he was no model of human behavior, but who knows what his situation was. It was at night and he was going about 50 miles. Maybe he had to spend a night under a bridge. I can relate to being stuck somewhere with no money and no options. I would have paid his fare for him if I was there.

Maybe he did sleep under a bridge, I don't know. None of us here do. Maybe he was a regular free-loader on the train. Again we don't know. Maybe he bought a ticket at this station and got on the next train. Again none of us know. I expect the worst he would reasonably be expected to suffer is the shame of having to call his parents and get a lift.

But if you sit there, caught in a lie, continuing to lie to the face of the conductor, don't expect too much sympathy from him or anyone else within earshot.

That said you're a more compassionate person than me, I would say.

Also: Speaking from experience, spending a night huddled in a bus shelter in freezing weather can do wonders for imparting life lessons. Those lessons are generally worth a hell of a lot more than a night's discomfort.

Holy shit. There IS a decent, reasonable, understanding human under all that religious babble.

Good to know there is still hope yet.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Yeah, he was no model of human behavior, but who knows what his situation was. It was at night and he was going about 50 miles. Maybe he had to spend a night under a bridge. I can relate to being stuck somewhere with no money and no options. I would have paid his fare for him if I was there.

iPod.

kid has money. all "night under a bridge" comments null and void.

There are people who have cars who are homeless.

I probably would have been inclined to pay his fare, but his bad mouthing the ticket-checker would have buried that notion. A contrite attitude from him would have gone much further, at least with me.>> ^shinyblurry:

Yeah, he was no model of human behavior, but who knows what his situation was. It was at night and he was going about 50 miles. Maybe he had to spend a night under a bridge. I can relate to being stuck somewhere with no money and no options. I would have paid his fare for him if I was there.

>> ^longde:

There are people who have cars who are homeless.

Maybe, but that dosen't mean their priorities aren't fucked. I'd file that along with people who put a $10K sound system in a $500 car.

Have you not considered that people who were doing well can subsequently fall into poverty?

That was violent. I don't care if he didn't do any of the things on a particular list of violent acts that you hold, but picking someone out of a chair by the collar is violent, and so are throwing him to the ground and then off a train. And, he did hit him when he tried to get back on the train.

Non-violent solutions include what the ticket checker guy was doing from the start, using social pressure to get him to leave. Another is contacting the police, as @Yogi has suggested. Your personal judgements of this fare-dodger and what you believe he "deserves" aside, getting passengers home a minute or two earlier doesn't warrant this kind of vigilante violence. I hope the big guy gets charged with the assault which he clearly committed.>> ^Quboid:

I think you had a reasonable point in there somewhere - people who resort to violence aren't necessarily good, salt of the earth people. However, the "big man" doesn't hit this entitled little shit. He is physical, but he's not violent.

I understand the urge to exaggerate the facts when making one's point, but I don't feel we watched the same video, messenger. The stumble on the way out was precisely the result of the smaller lad squirming. Hardly thrown the the ground. I never saw him get hit a single time. I did see him get thrown off the train when he failed to take the hint and tried to get back onto the train.

Social pressure was clearly not working. When you are holding up several hundred people time is of the essence. Especially as you are holding up the next train to come up that same set of tracks, and the next, etc.

Does he deserve to get thrown off the train? Perhaps. I would say probably, but of course none of us know all the facts. Do all the people on the train deserve to be delayed for 5 minutes, the train miss it's slot on the tracks, and then wait another 5 or 10 minutes for the next train to go by before they can continue on their way? Definitely not. Is avoiding bruising his ego worth say 500 minutes of the other commuters' time? I hardly think so.

People have become completely terrified of the concept of even marginal violence. This was much less violent than any of a number of sports I've played, and he had every opportunity to 'opt out' and refused to take them.

And that's the way shit should work when it really comes down to it. He's lucky we're a relatively peaceful society now. Anyone who thinks getting physical is never the answer needs to get a clue, not just about human nature, but the nature of the universe and the laws that govern it. We invented non-violence but that doesn't mean it can always be the way to achieve a proper society.

>> ^poolcleaner:

And that's the way shit should work when it really comes down to it. He's lucky we're a relatively peaceful society now. Anyone who thinks getting physical is never the answer needs to get a clue, not just about human nature, but the nature of the universe and the laws that govern it. We invented non-violence but that doesn't mean it can always be the way to achieve a proper society.


i love that such a comment has a picture of dr strangelove next to it.

Fare dodger hides in train has been added as a related post - related requested by Barseps on that post.