Cop threatens to "Break your f*king face" for taking his pic

YT:
A police officer from the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority in Buffalo walked up to a citizen who was filming him and threatened to "f***ing break" his face.

The cop said he was speaking "not as a police officer, but as a person."

The only problem is, the sonofabitch was in full uniform with a police dog in tow. The incident took place Thursday in the Square in downtown Buffalo after a fight had broken out. No further details are available at this point.
But the video speaks for itself.
Januarisays...

Really very telling that in his mind he can remove his uniform, duty, and oath as though it would just be "OK" to "f***ing break his face" if he weren't a cop... It's still a crime asshole!

ChaosEnginesays...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

The mere fact that a police officer is present carries the threat of violence.
They don't carry around pepper spray and tazers, batons and guns [with real bullets] for fashion/decoration.
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
When has a cop ever threatened you with violence?



That's kind of a ridiculous statement. I know plenty of people who could seriously hurt someone if they chose to (i.e. if they were forced to defend themselves). Does that mean they "carry the threat of violence"? Police are required to enforce the law, by force if necessary. That is their given role in society. Do you wish to strip them of the tools to do that?

Now, don't get me wrong, individual police officers (such as this guy) can be assholes, and in some cases there is even a bad culture in police depts, but that doesn't mean that the institution is inherently flawed. Or do you simply not believe we need a police force?

blankfistsays...

>> ^ChaosEngine:

That's kind of a ridiculous statement. I know plenty of people who could seriously hurt someone if they chose to (i.e. if they were forced to defend themselves). Does that mean they "carry the threat of violence"? Police are required to enforce the law, by force if necessary. That is their given role in society. Do you wish to strip them of the tools to do that?
Now, don't get me wrong, individual police officers (such as this guy) can be assholes, and in some cases there is even a bad culture in police depts, but that doesn't mean that the institution is inherently flawed. Or do you simply not believe we need a police force?


You're comparing self defense with law enforcement. One is defensive. One is offensive. Apples and oranges.

To your other point, the system is inherently flawed and it draws these types of cops that are assholes. If I was a violent person I'd want to be a cop or a soldier, just as if I was a pedophile I'd want to be a kindergarten teacher or TSA agent. When a cop is caught doing bad things (even killing innocent people), there seems to be a "cover up" culture that protects them. It's not always, but mostly.

If you hired a private security company to protect your neighborhood or home, and one of them came up to you and said he was going to "break your fucking face", he'd be fired on the spot. Why? Because you have the option to no longer hire that company. You don't have that option with cops.

ChaosEnginesays...

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
That's kind of a ridiculous statement. I know plenty of people who could seriously hurt someone if they chose to (i.e. if they were forced to defend themselves). Does that mean they "carry the threat of violence"? Police are required to enforce the law, by force if necessary. That is their given role in society. Do you wish to strip them of the tools to do that?
Now, don't get me wrong, individual police officers (such as this guy) can be assholes, and in some cases there is even a bad culture in police depts, but that doesn't mean that the institution is inherently flawed. Or do you simply not believe we need a police force?

You're comparing self defense with law enforcement. One is defensive. One is offensive. Apples and oranges.
To your other point, the system is inherently flawed and it draws these types of cops that are assholes. If I was a violent person I'd want to be a cop or a soldier, just as if I was a pedophile I'd want to be a kindergarten teacher or TSA agent. When a cop is caught doing bad things (even killing innocent people), there seems to be a "cover up" culture that protects them. It's not always, but mostly.
If you hired a private security company to protect your neighborhood or home, and one of them came up to you and said he was going to "break your fucking face", he'd be fired on the spot. Why? Because you have the option to no longer hire that company. You don't have that option with cops.


I don't think you can simply it that much. If I saw someone being beaten assaulted, I'd step in. I'm not being directly defensive, but I'm defending someone else. And ultimately that is what cops are supposed to do. Protecting the public from harm.

I completely agree that the kind of "cover up" culture we see in some police forces is bullshit, but are you really suggesting that a private security firm would be better? What makes you think that the same culture wouldn't develop there? I don't buy the line about hiring a different security company. In the real world such a choice wouldn't be possible and a private security company would have even more motivation to cover up.

blankfistsays...

>> ^ChaosEngine:
I don't think you can simply it that much. If I saw someone being beaten assaulted, I'd step in. I'm not being directly defensive, but I'm defending someone else. And ultimately that is what cops are supposed to do. Protecting the public from harm.
I completely agree that the kind of "cover up" culture we see in some police forces is bullshit, but are you really suggesting that a private security firm would be better? What makes you think that the same culture wouldn't develop there? I don't buy the line about hiring a different security company. In the real world such a choice wouldn't be possible and a private security company would have even more motivation to cover up.


But you're changing what you wrote above. Sure, when someone protects themselves or others that's being defensive, but you made a point of them enforcing the law - and doing that means they're an offensive force of violence, not defensive.

To your second point, there'd be a better system of checks and balances with a private security firm over a public police force. Regardless of performance of the public option, you must pay for it. If you hire a private option and don't like it, you can let them go and are no longer required to pay for their services. Also with the private option you'd have competition which would lead to better services and lower costs.

This goes hand-in-hand with DFT's comment above about Blackwater and the other companies hired by the US State Department. You and I don't want to fund them, but you have no choice as long as taxation is compulsory. The government forces you to pay for compulsory services you may loathe whether that be public police forces, huge national defense contracts or even private military security companies like Blackwater.

Lawdeedawsays...

>> ^MonkeySpank:

Watch how his police dept will try to find excuses and justifications for this aggression.


Where do you come from? They will probably suspend this cop, and then move on. That's what happens in a police department, unless he is a favorite--which even then, something this public moves them to act. But, of course, favoritism goes for the private sector and home life too, but I digress.

Your view is outdated for the most part. 10 years ago? Yeah, this would be a non-issue.

***Yep, they suspended him. Lol, guess I was right.

Lawdeedawsays...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Dude has issues. It looks like they let him off easy with a two day suspension and some sensitivity training: http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/buffalo/NFTA-cop-caught-cursing-at-camer
aman
(I wonder who submitted this video?)


Wait? Two days of no pay is easy? (Or in other words, if he works 12 hour shifts like most cops, it cost him about 600 bucks...) Not to mention the humiliation he faces. And, now, if he acts up, there is information on his record to bust his balls.

In the public sector, or at home, you would have absolutely nothing done to you. Is that being let off east? Of course it is.

Now, if he would have broke the man's fingers, that's different. But he had a bad day and said stupid shit. Haven't we all at one time? Of course, in my defense, I also feel that teens shouldn't be arrested for simple fist fighting--even though it's actual physical violence. I also don't believe in the death penalty. I think we as a society are out for blood.

What would you recommend? Jail time? Most people on the sift would say, "Yes. Definitely."

Psychologicsays...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

The mere fact that a police officer is present carries the threat of violence.
They don't carry around pepper spray and tazers, batons and guns [with real bullets] for fashion/decoration.
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
When has a cop ever threatened you with violence?



Many private citizens carry guns and pepper spray as well. Do they carry an equal threat of violence?

>> ^blankfist:
When a cop is caught doing bad things (even killing innocent people), there seems to be a "cover up" culture that protects them. It's not always, but mostly.


Mostly? Are you basing that on evidence or intuition?

Yes it happens and it sucks but I'm skeptical that it's over 50% of the time, especially with the number of cameras in society today.

Lawdeedawsays...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

The mere fact that a police officer is present carries the threat of violence.
They don't carry around pepper spray and tazers, batons and guns [with real bullets] for fashion/decoration.
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
When has a cop ever threatened you with violence?




Wait, I was done with comments for now until this. So, a karate master is a threat? Or someone with a car is a threat (On a funny note, the answer to that is yes.) A person with a pit bull is a threat?

Yes, the analogy fits---the fact is most cops don't want to use the top level of violence, even if they can.

This is a link to a cop who is afraid to use force, and shot so many times that his body was unrecognizable. Because, the crazy motherfucker veteran said, "He didn't take charge, that's why I had to kill him." Sad part is, this cop had just been admonished days before for self-defense... He pulled when he felt threatened, but society made sure the next time he died. http://videosift.com/video/Cop-is-killed-by-insane-veteran-shot-until-unrecognizable

There is a balance that needs to be made, but with both sides complaining like politicians, it won't happen in my lifetime.

blankfistsays...

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Wait? Two days of no pay is easy? (Or in other words, if he works 12 hour shifts like most cops, it cost him about 600 bucks...) Not to mention the humiliation he faces. And, now, if he acts up, there is information on his record to bust his balls.
In the public sector, or at home, you would have absolutely nothing done to you. Is that being let off east? Of course it is.


Let's try a fun exercise.

1. Go up to a cop.
2. Tell him you're going to break his fucking face.
3. Wait to see if what you experience is better than or worse than a two day suspension.


ChaosEnginesays...

>> ^blankfist:


But you're changing what you wrote above. Sure, when someone protects themselves or others that's being defensive, but you made a point of them enforcing the law - and doing that means they're an offensive force of violence, not defensive.


The law is ultimately there to protect people. As a society/culture/species we've made a collective decision over centuries that we are willing to trade some rights for protections, i.e. the right to assault someone v.s. that persons protection from assault. If a cop enforces the law then they are supposed to be protecting the citizens from whatever harm the perpetrator is committing.

Does that go wrong? All the time. Cops enforce unjust laws, or act (as the video subject did) outside the law. But there's no way in hell, I'd trust a corporation to fulfil that role.

>> ^blankfist:

To your second point, there'd be a better system of checks and balances with a private security firm over a public police force. Regardless of performance of the public option, you must pay for it. If you hire a private option and don't like it, you can let them go and are no longer required to pay for their services. Also with the private option you'd have competition which would lead to better services and lower costs.


You seem to feel that corporations are primarily beholden to their customers. I'd argue that's not the case. If recent history has shown us anything, it's that corporations are beholden to their shareholders.

>> ^blankfist:

This goes hand-in-hand with DFT's comment above about Blackwater and the other companies hired by the US State Department. You and I don't want to fund them, but you have no choice as long as taxation is compulsory. The government forces you to pay for compulsory services you may loathe whether that be public police forces, huge national defense contracts or even private military security companies like Blackwater.


Yeah, governments do stuff I don't like, but that's the point of elections. You can vote in someone who won't do that. OTOH, it's a lot more difficult to get rid of an entrenched monopoly.

But I suspect that, interesting as this discussion is, it's getting away from the point of the video.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

@Lawdeedaw & @Psychologic

"You're comparing self defense with law enforcement. One is defensive. One is offensive. Apples and oranges." - Blankfist of the North Star
~~~

At lawdeedaw, the daily threat of death is what you sign up for when being a cop or soldier.

Boo fuckin' boo if you get killed. You signed up for it. What did you expect?

If seven good police officers have to die for every one innocent person saved from a wrongful death, so be it. IT'S WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.

It's not a noble profession if you can murder an old man whittling a piece of wood because you're too afraid to put yourself at risk for even a moment.

Risking your life daily is what gives those profession prestige.

Psychologicsays...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

@Lawdeedaw
@Psychologic
"You're comparing self defense with law enforcement. One is defensive. One is offensive. Apples and oranges." - Blankfist of the North Star
~~~
At lawdeedaw, the daily threat of death is what you sign up for when being a cop or soldier.
Boo fuckin' boo if you get killed. You signed up for it. What did you expect?
If seven good police officers have to die for every one innocent person saved from a wrongful death, so be it. IT'S WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.
It's not a noble profession if you can murder an old man whittling a piece of wood because you're too afraid to put yourself at risk for even a moment.
Risking your life daily is what gives those profession prestige.


What part of that was aimed at me?

Lawdeedawsays...

Depends, is it a good cop or a bad one? I assume it is a bad one--yeah, I'm fucked. If not, then I go to jail, and bond myself out after a couple hours for 250 bucks. Not bad...

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Wait? Two days of no pay is easy? (Or in other words, if he works 12 hour shifts like most cops, it cost him about 600 bucks...) Not to mention the humiliation he faces. And, now, if he acts up, there is information on his record to bust his balls.
In the public sector, or at home, you would have absolutely nothing done to you. Is that being let off east? Of course it is.

Let's try a fun exercise.
1. Go up to a cop.
2. Tell him you're going to break his fucking face.
3. Wait to see if what you experience is better than or worse than a two day suspension.


blankfistsays...

>> ^ChaosEngine:

You seem to feel that corporations are primarily beholden to their customers. I'd argue that's not the case. If recent history has shown us anything, it's that corporations are beholden to their shareholders.



@ChaosEngine, I'm glad you made those comments, because for some reason or another corporations have been conflated with free markets and the private sector. They're not one and the same.

I am skeptical of corporations, largely because they collude with government to tip the playing field in their favor. They also enjoy corporate welfare where we as taxpayers front the bill for their expenses, effectively subsidizing their business. When I say free market and private sector I'm talking more about you and me. Small businesses. The people.

>> ^ChaosEngine:
Yeah, governments do stuff I don't like, but that's the point of elections. You can vote in someone who won't do that. OTOH, it's a lot more difficult to get rid of an entrenched monopoly.
But I suspect that, interesting as this discussion is, it's getting away from the point of the video.


RE: voting people in and out. It just doesn't work. How many politicians lie? Just about all of them. And when they do you can't sue them for misrepresentation like you can when dealing with the private sector - if Verizon charged you for 1500 minute plan but only gave you 200, that wouldn't fly at all.

But if the politician runs on a platform that's counter to what they do in office (thinking Bush and Obama specifically) we can do nothing about it.

I think it's delusional thinking (not you specifically) to believe that once every four or two years we go into a room and punch a couple holes into a piece of paper and that somehow makes a profound impact on the countless different political decisions that happen daily in our country and in our world. We're all delusional if that somehow makes sense to us.

blankfistsays...

^Funny, it was opposite for me. I was a Democrat first. It was the two party system that had the sense of entitlement. They felt the collective owned the individual.

They spun the narrative that punching holes in paper once every two to four years meant we each had a voice. Then I threw up.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

^I used that kind of Ayn Rand lingo too. Sounds like part of your problem was that you allied yourself with a party rather than a belief system. Liberal means something specific. Democrat is relative. The Democratic party hasn't been liberal in our lifetime.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

You are liberal on social issues that all intelligent people conceded long ago. You get no reward for embracing what is obvious. Economically, you are far to the fringe right - anarcho capitalism. You want capitalism to be your state. A true steward of liberty would have no interest in the shackles of such an oppressive class-based economic system. That's why I consider you conservative. >> ^blankfist:

^I'm a liberal. How do you reconcile that?

lucky760says...

You liberal assholes are always trying to bend the truth. He said "fucking break your face" not "break your fucking face," which is a huge difference and as everyone knows, there's obviously nothing wrong with that.

Lawdeedawsays...

Well, that's a bit brutal. Innocent doesn't apply to law enforcement? I guess the badge takes that innocence away? Who are these innocent people supposed to be then, since you specificall exclude all law enforcement?

Okay, so scenario. Female soldier goes overseas, and is raped by extremists. Now, in your opinion, paraphrased "boo fucking boo. He signed up for it. What did you expect?" That's sick. And no, that's not putting words in you mouth. That's applying your belief to a equal scenario, because "That's what they sign up for."

Does this mean *it does mean* any American citizen, who pays taxes and therefore directly contributes to the wars deserves to be blown up by planes? Because that's what we signed up for as American citizens who contribute willingly. Wow, Genji, that's vivid. So because one signs up for something it's nothing to be sad about?

You can try to manipulate what you said, but either A-it's full of hypocrisy, or B-it's completely insane. And my application fits. "That's what you signed up for." Wow. (Thoreau had some nice comments about taxes and civil disobedience. That's what I mean about willfully paying taxes.)

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since May 3rd, 2010" href="http://videosift.com/member/Lawdeedaw">Lawdeedaw & @<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since August 30th, 2008" href="http://videosift.com/member/Psychologic">Psychologic
"You're comparing self defense with law enforcement. One is defensive. One is offensive. Apples and oranges." - Blankfist of the North Star
~~~
At lawdeedaw, the daily threat of death is what you sign up for when being a cop or soldier.
Boo fuckin' boo if you get killed. You signed up for it. What did you expect?
If seven good police officers have to die for every one innocent person saved from a wrongful death, so be it. IT'S WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.
It's not a noble profession if you can murder an old man whittling a piece of wood because you're too afraid to put yourself at risk for even a moment.
Risking your life daily is what gives those profession prestige.

Paybacksays...

>> ^Psychologic:

Many private citizens carry guns and pepper spray as well. Do they carry an equal threat of violence?


As private citizens are usually concealed-carry, although the actual threat is larger, the implied threat is much less.

If an implied threat was benign, every last US aircraft carrier would sit at dock unless it was on an active mission.

blankfistsays...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

You are liberal on social issues that all intelligent people conceded long ago. You get no reward for embracing what is obvious. Economically, you are far to the fringe right - anarcho capitalism. You want capitalism to be your state. A true steward of liberty would have no interest in the shackles of such an oppressive class-based economic system. That's why I consider you conservative. >> ^blankfist:
^I'm a liberal. How do you reconcile that?



And this is why you lose.

bcglorfsays...

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
That's kind of a ridiculous statement. I know plenty of people who could seriously hurt someone if they chose to (i.e. if they were forced to defend themselves). Does that mean they "carry the threat of violence"? Police are required to enforce the law, by force if necessary. That is their given role in society. Do you wish to strip them of the tools to do that?
Now, don't get me wrong, individual police officers (such as this guy) can be assholes, and in some cases there is even a bad culture in police depts, but that doesn't mean that the institution is inherently flawed. Or do you simply not believe we need a police force?

You're comparing self defense with law enforcement. One is defensive. One is offensive. Apples and oranges.
To your other point, the system is inherently flawed and it draws these types of cops that are assholes. If I was a violent person I'd want to be a cop or a soldier, just as if I was a pedophile I'd want to be a kindergarten teacher or TSA agent. When a cop is caught doing bad things (even killing innocent people), there seems to be a "cover up" culture that protects them. It's not always, but mostly.
If you hired a private security company to protect your neighborhood or home, and one of them came up to you and said he was going to "break your fucking face", he'd be fired on the spot. Why? Because you have the option to no longer hire that company. You don't have that option with cops.


The system is flawed, but not 'inherently' as you suggest. Inherently suggests that the flaw is the fact the police force even exists as an arm of society. I can't abide calling that an inherent flaw. We don't live in a utopian world, your freedom ends were mine begins can NOT be maintained without force and the threat of force, and that is, inherently, what a police force is.

Point out the specific problems with the implementation of a police force, but it's mere existence as part of a mandatory social contract is NOT one of them.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

A dream is a wish your heart makes. >> ^blankfist:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
You are liberal on social issues that all intelligent people conceded long ago. You get no reward for embracing what is obvious. Economically, you are far to the fringe right - anarcho capitalism. You want capitalism to be your state. A true steward of liberty would have no interest in the shackles of such an oppressive class-based economic system. That's why I consider you conservative. >> ^blankfist:
^I'm a liberal. How do you reconcile that?


And this is why you lose.

blankfistsays...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

A dream is a wish your heart makes. >> ^blankfist:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
You are liberal on social issues that all intelligent people conceded long ago. You get no reward for embracing what is obvious. Economically, you are far to the fringe right - anarcho capitalism. You want capitalism to be your state. A true steward of liberty would have no interest in the shackles of such an oppressive class-based economic system. That's why I consider you conservative. >> ^blankfist:
^I'm a liberal. How do you reconcile that?


And this is why you lose.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

A blowjob is a handjob your mouth makes.

nanrodsays...

@Kofi I was going to say the same thing word for word until I made it all the way through the comments to yours...so what he said

@blankfist why is it that when you talk about your concept of private security firms I picture guys in fatigues coming to my door and saying "You look like you could use some private security, ...you know, bad things can happen to people without private security".

blankfistsays...

>> ^nanrod:

blankfist why is it that when you talk about your concept of private security firms I picture guys in fatigues coming to my door and saying "You look like you could use some private security, ...you know, bad things can happen to people without private security".


Probably has something to do with fear.

gwiz665says...

Fella is never gonna have an O-face again.
>> ^lucky760:

You liberal assholes are always trying to bend the truth. He said "fucking break your face" not "break your fucking face," which is a huge difference and as everyone knows, there's obviously nothing wrong with that.

colt45says...

>> ^Januari:

Really very telling that in his mind he can remove his uniform, duty, and oath as though it would just be "OK" to "f ing break his face" if he weren't a cop... It's still a crime asshole!


Precisely what I was thinking, although worded a bit better.

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