If we had a "violence" channel, then couldn't we just stop ads displaying for: NSFW, violence, drugs and equality channels (I know equality is a "good" channel, but reading the AdSense content guidelines it *may* be a sticking point)?

Or something like that anyway?

P.S. Cheers for the update.

The content and discussions on this site can be great, and I would agree with @Hybrid that tags could be used to filter google adsense from the current page being viewed. It seems as if the Adsense team took a strong-armed approach to the site, giving only 72 hours to rectify this sort of situation, but that's just my humble opinion.

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We stripped Adsense from NSFW posts - but that didn't keep us from being banned. They don't actually say why. The system seems to be completely automated- and though I'm trying to get to a real person, they seem to be a few layers deep. >> ^Hybrid:

If we had a "violence" channel, then couldn't we just stop ads displaying for: NSFW, violence, drugs and equality channels (I know equality is a "good" channel, but reading the AdSense content guidelines it may be a sticking point)?
Or something like that anyway?
P.S. Cheers for the update.

I hope that you do eventually get through to a real person, and that this can be rectified. I think that "objectionable violence" might be as hard to define as "porn". For example, while some may see beauty and grace in a Muhammad Ali highlights reel, others may see only brutality.

The Felony Fights video clearly meets Adsense's criteria, but to give 72 hours notice to "clean up" thousands and thousands of pages of user generated content... that's highly unreasonable and should not be left to the discretion of an automaton. Best of luck!

What about those ads that pop up at the bottom of videos? You know the ones that never relate to anything in the video. Aren't those adsense? Do they take all of those off of violent videos?

Cheers, Videosift is still alive and that's all you and lucky's work!

It's sad that adsense is like that, because it's insanely hard to clean up lots of user generated content. It makes me wonder about other sites like digg and reddit do, because I imagine they use it too.

How are we doing on the user number front? Is it increasing, declining, standing still?

What about posting users? is it the same 15 people posting everything, or is there are wider array of authors? I'd love to see lots of statistics on this.

If you want my advice, which I'm sure you don't but will get anyway, a way to draw in more people would be to include more "game elements" under the hood; achievements were a great start.

Cheers to all! This is probably the place I visit most on the web regularly, not sure what I'd do without it. Hybrids suggestion was probably my first thought on reading the google letter, just make a channel for all those things google may take issue with. Though as stated naturally it would take quite a bit of work to go through everything.

My only wish is that I had the ability to wade through the net like you brave posters do so that I could one day dream of having a star of my own.

I'm never here. Which site is this again? Freetalklive.com or something? I don't know.

Yeah, I love this place. Reach arounds for all. As for ad sense, I'm not sure what can be done about that. To find customer service numbers on sites, I typically google "1 800 site:[url of site]" or "1 888 site:[url of site]" but it didn't turn anything up for google.com/adsense.

I wish you the best of luck. I say @Hybrid's idea to create a *violence channel is brilliant, thought it may be difficult to go through the thousands of video pages and tag every video appropriately. Damn you, Google!

Congrats on the continued success of this *quality site.

Awarding dag with one star point for this contribution to VideoSift - declared quality by dystopianfuturetoday.

>> ^dag:

We stripped Adsense from NSFW posts - but that didn't keep us from being banned. They don't actually say why. The system seems to be completely automated- and though I'm trying to get to a real person, they seem to be a few layers deep. >> ^Hybrid:
If we had a "violence" channel, then couldn't we just stop ads displaying for: NSFW, violence, drugs and equality channels (I know equality is a "good" channel, but reading the AdSense content guidelines it may be a sticking point)?
Or something like that anyway?
P.S. Cheers for the update.



I wonder how to they treat other sites that have violent videos or the like?

I think it's a double standard. I see violent videos on you-tube all the time.

Just do a search on Kimbo Slice, and you are going to find a video with 2 Million views.

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The overlay ads on YouTube are completely independent from us - we get no dosh for those. I think they might prevent display of those ads on videos that don't meet the Adsense Terms.

>> ^rottenseed:

What about those ads that pop up at the bottom of videos? You know the ones that never relate to anything in the video. Aren't those adsense? Do they take all of those off of violent videos?

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We get about 10-20 new members every day. FYI, the best way to get a quick new user rate count is on this page - sorted by join date: http://videosift.com/topusers?order=new

Your second question is harder to answer, we've always had a participatory "core" of members who do most of the posting- I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not sure if this core has increased or decreased.

>> ^gwiz665:

Cheers, Videosift is still alive and that's all you and lucky's work!
It's sad that adsense is like that, because it's insanely hard to clean up lots of user generated content. It makes me wonder about other sites like digg and reddit do, because I imagine they use it too.
How are we doing on the user number front? Is it increasing, declining, standing still?
What about posting users? is it the same 15 people posting everything, or is there are wider array of authors? I'd love to see lots of statistics on this.
If you want my advice, which I'm sure you don't but will get anyway, a way to draw in more people would be to include more "game elements" under the hood; achievements were a great start.

we're the participants...everybody else is spectators...

Dag, problem with the quoting system. Is there a way to make it not use HTML tags, and be more intelligent? This is aside from the quote appearing beneath the quoter's message (something that I still dislike greatly), but I believe it happened when that transition occurred.

The problem is, it's a lot more confusing to look at in the message you're editing, so if you want to remove old quotes, like when the quote string starts to get long, you have to be very careful what you remove, or you'll end up screwing up the whole rest of the page, as seen here:
http://videosift.com/video/Guy-plays-in-the-traffic-and-gets-hit-by-a-van?loadcomm=1

It's not my quote that did it, it's residue's, the person above mine. His quote was all screwed up when I went to quote him, and I had to edit mine to be cleaner, but as you can see, the html tags in his message are screwing up the rest of the page. The quote/reply stuff appears after his message, but before the quoted text, when it SHOULD be at the bottom of the message box. Then when I quoted him, the page still thinks that the information belongs within the same element on the page, so now my message is all screwed up. I suspect that the next person to post on this page will continue that trend.

I tried putting closing divs in the top of my message as well as other things, to no effect.

Ha!

You forgot Videocu.lt

>> ^Ryjkyj:

Ha!
You forgot Videocu.lt


Forgot what?

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Perhaps we could have an option not to use the fancy quote formatting. That would solve most problems.>> ^ForgedReality:

Dag, problem with the quoting system. Is there a way to make it not use HTML tags, and be more intelligent? This is aside from the quote appearing beneath the quoter's message (something that I still dislike greatly), but I believe it happened when that transition occurred.
The problem is, it's a lot more confusing to look at in the message you're editing, so if you want to remove old quotes, like when the quote string starts to get long, you have to be very careful what you remove, or you'll end up screwing up the whole rest of the page, as seen here:
http://videosift.com/video/Guy-plays-in-the-traffic-and-ge
ts-hit-by-a-van?loadcomm=1
It's not my quote that did it, it's residue's, the person above mine. His quote was all screwed up when I went to quote him, and I had to edit mine to be cleaner, but as you can see, the html tags in his message are screwing up the rest of the page. The quote/reply stuff appears after his message, but before the quoted text, when it SHOULD be at the bottom of the message box. Then when I quoted him, the page still thinks that the information belongs within the same element on the page, so now my message is all screwed up. I suspect that the next person to post on this page will continue that trend.
I tried putting closing divs in the top of my message as well as other things, to no effect.

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It became a lonely place. Which is too bad - I enjoyed lurking over there and reading people's shit-slinging towards the Sift.>> ^Ryjkyj:

Ha!
You forgot Videocu.lt

I like the new quote formatting when it works. I put my responses on top anyway so it looks better if it gets featured or in the top comments.

Can't you make a solution where it completely sanitizes the post for html stuffs?

Maybe instead of actually having the quote there, editable and everything, just have a reference that your php code picks up; something like I dunno:

"My blah blah text

[!-- quoting #ID --]
[!-- quoting #ID2 --]

"

but make it print out the full comment when posted as it looks sorta now, changing left and right.

Then we could comment in between the quotes too, which is something that doesn't work with the comment system as it is now.

>> ^gwiz665:

>> ^Ryjkyj:
Ha!
You forgot Videocu.lt

Forgot what?


When he was talking about how some sites disappear.

Recently I found it necessary to download the latest version of Miro, in order to watch a video someone sent me.

While doing so, I noticed this post on the site:

http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2010/06/miro-community-1-0-the-easiest-way-to-make-a-video-website/

'Thought sifters would be interested in this.

>> ^dag:
Perhaps we could have an option not to use the fancy quote formatting. That would solve most problems.

Well I'm thinking, maybe instead of the system looking for <em> tags, have a custom [quote] tag or something and throw out everything else (x)html. That way, all the formatting gets done automatically by the php or whatever you use, and there's no chance of the user screwing it up to a point where it affects external content.

@dag: It became a lonely place. Which is too bad - I enjoyed lurking over there and reading people's shit-slinging towards the Sift.

It's hard to build an empire on hate. You gotta build it on love and contribution, then TURN it to hate...n00bs!

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^gwiz665:
>> ^Ryjkyj:
Ha!
You forgot Videocu.lt

Forgot what?

When he was talking about how some sites disappear.


My joke was too hard to detect.. like videocu.lt was!

>>>BOOM<<<

What do they have against my videos?

tell google if they dont turn adsense back on we'll kick their goddamn asses

Honestly sometimes Google makes you want to pull your hair out. They do some good work (I depend on Gmail) but the downside is dealing with a business entity who unilaterally defines the nature of the relationship you're getting into. And that means pain and suffering when you realise your level of dependency bound up in that contract.

Sometimes the thought of going back to POP mail and having everything on my computer seems like a good idea. I'm constantly reminded of how egregious they can be by the Scroogle guys. And here I have my new Android phone into the bargain synching my mail and contacts.

All of which is just impotent ranting I suppose. But maybe if you can't resurrect adsense then maybe something better and just as sustainable can be put in place. Mother of invention and all that.

>> ^dag:

Perhaps we could have an option not to use the fancy quote formatting. That would solve most problems.>> ^ForgedReality:
Dag, problem with the quoting system. Is there a way to make it not use HTML tags, and be more intelligent? This is aside from the quote appearing beneath the quoter's message (something that I still dislike greatly), but I believe it happened when that transition occurred.
The problem is, it's a lot more confusing to look at in the message you're editing, so if you want to remove old quotes, like when the quote string starts to get long, you have to be very careful what you remove, or you'll end up screwing up the whole rest of the page, as seen here:
http://videosift.com/video/Guy-plays-in-the-traffic-and-ge
ts-hit-by-a-van?loadcomm=1
It's not my quote that did it, it's residue's, the person above mine. His quote was all screwed up when I went to quote him, and I had to edit mine to be cleaner, but as you can see, the html tags in his message are screwing up the rest of the page. The quote/reply stuff appears after his message, but before the quoted text, when it SHOULD be at the bottom of the message box. Then when I quoted him, the page still thinks that the information belongs within the same element on the page, so now my message is all screwed up. I suspect that the next person to post on this page will continue that trend.
I tried putting closing divs in the top of my message as well as other things, to no effect.



I use the block quote feature that the Sift has always allowed if the quoted text is discombobulated. But given that most users don't eat, sleep, and breath code that could be asking too much of the average user.

<blockquote>
Quoted Text using the tags above and below this line of text.
</blockquote>
Adding @dag to mimic contacting someone about quoting them with the blockquote HTML element.

Interesting about the ads.

Long live, VS! I am not even sick of it yet. Maybe I should wear my VS shirt today.

There are a few talented filmmakers here on the sift - why not create a viral marketing campaign for the sift? There's enough brilliance here to come up with something creative - why not make use of it? Viral ads can be created for next to nothing - and can draw attention, hits, and thus advertising dollars to the sift.

Give it a shot - I'm sure sifters would chip into the effort if you asked.

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