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32 Comments
DaldainDid he get A's?
newtboyNice...nice.
newtboyNo, but he got a couple of "O"s!
Did he get A's?
BoneRemakeThat guy fucks.
lucky760I know what you're talking about.
LMFAHS
That guy fucks.
Mordhausniiiiiiice
Nice...nice.
MordhausAlso, where the fuck were these teachers when I went to school?
ChaosEngineHah! Some teacher abused their position and now a whole bunch of people's lives are ruined (including her 3 kids).
That's fucking hilarious! right!?
bobknight33Van Halen - Hot For Teacher (Music Video)
bobknight33Society reaps what it sows.
Progressive Liberalism - ain't it grand.
Hah! Some teacher abused their position and now a whole bunch of people's lives are ruined (including her 3 kids).
That's fucking hilarious! right!?
shagen454jealous much
Society reaps what it sows.
Progressive Liberalism - ain't it grand.
BoneRemakeSociety does reap what it sows, we have to deal with you.
Society reaps what it sows.
Progressive Liberalism - ain't it grand.
00Scud00says...Don't feel bad Bobby, there are plenty of hypocritical self righteous Conservatives out there cheating on their spouses and engaging in under age sex.
@ChaosEngine Considering how long they had been going at it I suspect he was abused in many positions, although I also suspect that if asked he would probably tell us that he didn't feel abused.
Society reaps what it sows.
Progressive Liberalism - ain't it grand.
ChaosEngineI'm sure he thought it was great. I would have too when I was a teenager.
Still doesn't make it right, and if the genders were reversed, we'd all be disgusted.
Don't feel bad Bobby, there are plenty of hypocritical self righteous Conservatives out there cheating on their spouses and engaging in under age sex.
@ChaosEngine Considering how long they had been going at it I suspect he was abused in many positions, although I also suspect that if asked he would probably tell us that he didn't feel abused.
bobknight33I totally agree and the progressive movement only serves to condone.
Don't feel bad Bobby, there are plenty of hypocritical self righteous Conservatives out there cheating on their spouses and engaging in under age sex.
@ChaosEngine Considering how long they had been going at it I suspect he was abused in many positions, although I also suspect that if asked he would probably tell us that he didn't feel abused.
lucky760Definitely. And that's because the genders are equal neither in biology nor society with regard to sexuality.
They are wrong for abusing their teaching positions and hurting their marriage/family (where applicable), but at least there are no actual victims here (except maybe the self-esteem of all the other male students who wonder "Why didn't they give me a shot?!").
if the genders were reversed, we'd all be disgusted.
PaybackI personally don't understand why we let stupid people be teachers.
eric3579Cos we don't pay them shit and smarter people usually have much better options.
I personally don't understand why we let stupid people be teachers.
ChaosEngineThe point is that there are very good reasons we don't allow teachers to date students even if both are above the age of consent. The teacher is in a position of power over the student and any relationship is inherently exploitative.
As it happens, they are guilty of statuary rape (the student was under the age of consent at the time) so they could be facing jail time.
No actual victims? Tell that to the 3 young kids who might have to visit mom in prison.
Definitely. And that's because the genders are equal neither in biology nor society with regard to sexuality.
They are wrong for abusing their teaching positions and hurting their marriage/family (where applicable), but at least there are no actual victims here (except maybe the self-esteem of all the other male students who wonder "Why didn't they give me a shot?!").
newtboyDon't forget the husband. He's pretty clearly a victim here too. He now gets to raise 3 children as a single parent, and his finances will be destroyed by her defense costs and fines, not to mention the loss of her income in the household and the severe damage to his psyche/ego from having his wife cheat on him with a kid and another woman. In my mind, he's had it the worst of all victims in this case, but he's not the only one by far.
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No actual victims? Tell that to the 3 young kids who might have to visit mom in prison.
lucky760I didn't say nor do I think the policy should be that it's permissible for teachers to date students.
Yes, they broke the law. They are criminals. No one's disputing that.
Again, you're beating a dead horse stating the obvious. As I said, of course the woman's children are being hurt by her actions.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing for or against. You seem to be trying to make the case that what they did was wrong and that it's the equivalent of 2 male teachers having group sex with a 16-year-old girl.
I don't think anyone is saying what they did isn't wrong. But no, their actions are definitely not disgusting like it would be with the genders reversed.
Most people (men mainly) are approaching this from the student's point of view. "Man, it would have been awesome to screw a couple of hot teachers when I was in high school." And like always when thinking with the little head, the consequences (such as how wrong the teachers are or how their families will suffer) are an afterthought.
The point is that there are very good reasons we don't allow teachers to date students even if both are above the age of consent. The teacher is in a position of power over the student and any relationship is inherently exploitative.
As it happens, they are guilty of statuary rape (the student was under the age of consent at the time) so they could be facing jail time.
No actual victims? Tell that to the 3 young kids who might have to visit mom in prison.
lucky760Similarly to any spouse who's been cheated on.
Worth noting he's not necessarily going to be a single parent, though. They may not break up and she may not go to prison.
Don't forget the husband. He's pretty clearly a victim here too. He now gets to raise 3 children as a single parent, and his finances will be destroyed by her defense costs and fines, not to mention the loss of her income in the household and the severe damage to his psyche/ego from having his wife cheat on him with a kid and another woman. In my mind, he's had it the worst of all victims in this case, but he's not the only one by far.
eric3579Seriously?
but at least there are no actual victims here
lucky760Seriously. I'm talking about the student.
That wasn't obvious?
Seriously? What are you talking about !?
eric3579No, when you say "there are no actual victims here" it's not obvious.
Seriously. I'm talking about the student.
That wasn't obvious?
ChaosEngine@lucky760 Until I commented all the comments here were as you described "good on him, threesome with hot teachers, yeah!"
I'm not "beating a dead horse", I'm responding to people (including you) who replied to my comment.
And yes, the kid is a victim. He might be a willing victim, but he's still been used and manipulated.
lucky760I disagree.
And yes, the kid is a victim. He might be a willing victim, but he's still been used and manipulated.
00Scud00says...No it's not right, and while my immediate response to a gender reversal in this situation might be disgust I find that having thought about it over the years makes me more aware of the double standard it implies.
I agree that prohibitions against sex between minors and adults are right and necessary; but I can't help but wonder if we called it something that didn't involve the word rape if it would change how we think about it. Rape is a very incendiary word and I don't think it always accurately describes what is really going on in these situations. I understand that teens can't give consent under the law, but teens occupy a place where they are neither children or adults and it seems disingenuous to assume that they are utterly incapable of acting on their own.
I haven't seen the movie but 'The Diary of a Teenage Girl' (or read the graphic novel, or seen the play for that matter) but it sounds like it talks about the issue without the usual hysterics.
http://www.npr.org/2015/08/13/431997207/a-diary-unlocked-a-teenage-coming-of-age-story-put-on-film
I would also agree with @lucky760, you didn't know that kid or any of the other people involved but you'll slap the victim label on him and expect it to stick, whether it's the truth or not.
I'm sure he thought it was great. I would have too when I was a teenager.
Still doesn't make it right, and if the genders were reversed, we'd all be disgusted.
ChaosEngineFair enough.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, it's just a very adolescent way of looking at things for a grown man (with kids, IIRC).
And yeah, just because society has a fucked up view of women and their sexuality does not make this any less wrong than a girl and two male teachers.
I disagree.
lucky760I also disagree that it's an adolescent way of looking at things. In my opinion (of my opinion), it's a realist's way of looking at the way things are, rather than how they ought to be or how one might idealize them to be.
It's not just society's view of women and their sexuality, but the reality of the male sexuality and its aggressive, testosterone-driven desire/pursuit/predation to achieve sexual gratification.
Fair enough.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, it's just a very adolescent way of looking at things for a grown man (with kids, IIRC).
And yeah, just because society has a fucked up view of women and their sexuality does not make this any less wrong than a girl and two male teachers.
gwiz665Is the boy happy? Or is he a rape victim? That's the thing that makes the difference to me, otherwise
http://i.imgur.com/IVbfTjy.png
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