*trippy

and *hilarious, that the video file to display this?
was a 16.5 Mb .flv file (which i just downloaded).

that's about one percent of the size of the original file.

Before anyone tries to say otherwise, this is NOT a dupe of this:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Blank-Jones-Beyond-Time-Ambient-Edit

because the music is different.

This is mind blowing.

The ending deserves two upvotes. The video does not do this demo justice so run the demo if you can.

I remember back in the day when they used to do this in under 64k. I remember a demo from probably 1999 or 2000 that was like 10 minutes long. My jaw doesnt drop very often but it did then. I even may still have that demo on a disk here.

*geek !!

URL on Pouet.net (good site for demo scenes!): http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=30244

Can't play the demo on your PC? Download and watch 1280 resolution: ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/kb/videos/farbrausch%20-%20fr-041%20debris%20%5B1280%5D.mp4

Chaucer: Are you referring to fr-08: .the.product demo? http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=1221

Adding video to channels (Geek) - requested by ant.

that's about one percent of the size of the original file.

Actually, that would be a hundred times bigger than the demo.. so that would be closer to 10000% or something.. Still, you are closer than a young earth creationist

9545% to be more precise.

177k is around 1.05% of 16.5 MB.

This project sounds like a rip-off of similar to .kkrieger (http://www.theprodukkt.com/kkrieger) which was a 96k demo released a couple years ago.

^wow. this really is suited for the geek channel.

Procedural data construction? Isn't this really old news?

Wait - how is this NOT a dupe?
From the FAQ: "alternate background music, will still be considered dupes." *discuss

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - discuss requested by MarineGunrock.

wow.. fr-041 already. i remember watching the 64kb fr-08 graphic demo back in 2000. really impressive at the time.

in fact there's up to fr-059 here: http://www.farb-rausch.com/productions.php

oh and about the dupe thing: this version is IMO, the original version as the music is inherent in the demo itself which you can download and watch in high resolution here: http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=/parties/2007/breakpoint07/demo/fr-041_debris.zip&fileinfo

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Wait - how is this NOT a dupe?
From the FAQ: "alternate background music, will still be considered dupes." discuss

Well the rule sucks then, and here's why:

The music for both my video and this video are appropriate, yet they are distinctly different. However, NOT all music would be appropriate. If someone posted this video with the SpongeBob SquarePants theme it would suck. This video does NOT suck, AND it is distinctly different. If we are to firmly adhere to this rule then we should discard this video, because if you subtract the sound and factor out the zoom that was added after this video went viral then it would be the same video as this.

People know the difference and can vote accordingly. Leave this one alone. Remember that I posted the original, so if I can live with it then so can everyone else.

^Hey, my clip has 5 more frames of black at the front and back of the clip. that's 10 whole unique frames (1/3rd of a second)!

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:
> Actually, that would be a hundred times bigger than the demo.. so that would be closer to 10000% or something.. Still, you are closer than a young earth creationist

actually, it's still exactly what i said it was, in the first place.

just depends on whether you want to be unnecessarily impressed, by thinking about how much bigger something is. (for whatever reason...ahem)

Okay, if this video is still in Sift Talk when I check on it tomorrow and no one else has offered their opinion on this matter, then I'm going to to * return it.

Well the other one was more of a music video. This one is a demonstration of the technology. And the music here is much better suited. I say *return, and a possible review of dupe rules.

Returning this video from Sift Talk - return requested by arsenault185.

uhmm, I'll give you one very good reason why this should stay.. because this is the ORIGINAL music. This is a movie version of the demo, an alternative media representation. The OTHER sift is a music video.. someone took a music track they liked I put video they thought appropriate too it. Also showing this video with its original sound is another part of demonstrating "hey, this is what you can fit int 170kb".

that said.. the demo isn't new.. and most people probably won't be to impressed by it, esp in grainy video vision.

- In other news, FUTUREMARK, Inc. have announced that their next-generation benchmarking tool 3D Mark Vantage is to be released as freeware and the full installation is said to occupy approximately 3MB of hard drive space...







NOT!!!!

Yet they should. There are a handful or tech demo contests, some with very specific goals, technology-wise, held each year around the world with different but sizable limitations on final archive size. Some of my less-technologically-challenged-friends have participated in those, the last file size I remember was 2KB (think around 2003 or so). and by the was, I am kind of amazed nobody's discussed the punctuality of whether this is 177kb or 177KB. and I bet in this case it's the latter. I'm sick of people writing bytes with small caps, come on, it's eight times the difference, you know.

^Thank you EDD. I have updated the title and description to accurately describe that this is indeed KB and not kb :-)
While I'm sure there are a multitude of tech demos out there I've yet to see any that have such impressive visuals and such a small file size. Post some of the ones you like and I'd be happy to vote for them.

Don't be so quick to return. This definitely needs to be *discussed further. It is the exact same video.

Does this mean we are now supposed to allow everyone to start submitting dupes as long as the music is different?

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - discuss requested by lucky760.

^perhaps with the valid points that kronosposeidon & jmd brought up, these kinds of questionable posts will be sifttalked and then decided upon by an administrator on a case by case basis after discussing and hearing the arguements for or against keeping the dupe in question.

>> ^lucky760:
Don't be so quick to return. This definitely needs to be discussed further. It is the exact same video.
Does this mean we are now supposed to allow everyone to start submitting dupes as long as the music is different?

That depends. Will there be an epidemic of identical videos being sifted with different music? I honestly don't believe so. Along the lines of what KP said, would this video have sifted had the music been from SpongeBob SquarePants? So can a person take any old video they want, then change the music to any old tune, and make it work? I don't think so.

If we have to throw this one out because the sound is different, then we'd have to throw out a bunch of other videos too, like the one KP mentioned for starters. I think these things need to be judged on a case by case basis. I think qruel's video should stay, but I say we should put it to a vote. I won't complain if I find myself in the minority.

I also think this should be saved. Alternatively I think this one should be kept and the other discarded. This being the original video and all. Or the other submissions should be replaced by this one.

^It's not about which one is the original; it's about whether this qualifies as a dupe or not. If it is decided that this is a dupe then by the rules qruel's should be discarded because mine was posted first. However I am claiming that this is NOT a dupe, so qruel's should not be discarded.

In any event, the case at hand is whether this is a dupe or not, and not about which one is the original.

BTW, if the membership decides that this is a dupe then I will discard mine so that qruel can keep his. However I see trouble if the verdict comes back dupe. Not big trouble, but more nickel and dime problems. I don't think we need that shit.

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I think this qualifies as a dupe- but we should consider that this is the original and the music that was meant to go with it. Having said that, I'd like to take KP up on his gallant offer to discard his previous post and save this one. How's that sound?

Okay, I've discarded mine. Mine only got 13 votes anyway, whereas qruel's has already received 51 votes. I won't lose any sleep over it. BUT now I ask for a ruling on these videos before this post is * returned, please:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Ducks-Stampede-in-an-India-Village

vs

http://www.videosift.com/video/Duck-Herding-now-with-added-soundtrack

The ONLY difference is that music was added. And trust me, I could find more videos here that are arbitrarily similar enough for someone to scream "DUPE!". I think both "Duck Stampede" versions should stay because the music adds another humorous element to arvana's version. I also think both versions should stay for this video, because the music changes the mood of the video, and yet both work with the visuals. We're really splitting hairs with this one. Are we SURE this is the path we want to take?

This music doesn't add anything.

^ Yeah, but what about those those 10 frames of black ?

Oh to hell with it.

*return

Returning this video from Sift Talk - return requested by kronosposeidon.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Hmm, I hear you. The dupes should go in my opinion - if it's only a difference in music.

There may be some special cases where new music ironically changes the meaning of the visual, or enhances some particular aspect, and we should judge those on a case-by-case basis.

In general though, if it's just a change in background music- I say the dupes should go.

Hmm.... Honestly, I think that this is the better video. This shows off a demo that is truly awe inspiring, in a way that demos haven't been for over a decade. The other video is just a rip off. I know that it is tradition in case of a dupe to keep the vid that was submitted earlier, but discarding this would be a tragedy.

I say keep, accounting to exceptional circumstances.

edit: Doh! I wrote this opinion about 10 hours ago, but forgot to hit save. I'm glad that the community agreed.

^ thanks for the input. wow, seeing this video going back and forth was like watching tennis. and considering I'm at 99 star points... so close to 100 !

>> ^ant:
geek !!
URL on Pouet.net (good site for demo scenes!): http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=30244
Can't play the demo on your PC? Download and watch 1280 resolution: ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/kb/videos/farbrausch%
20-%20fr-041%20debris%20%5B1280%5D.mp4
Chaucer: Are you referring to fr-08: .the.product demo? http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=1221


Hell Yea!! That's exactly the one I'm talking about. It's still pretty damn awesome!

I'm pretty amazed that somebody other than me remembers that.

Just Awesome... Great narrative, and bloody impressive filesize. And seeing as I just downloaded and played the original demo, THIS one should stay because it is THE same as the ORIGINAL...

I believe the dupe issue is irrelevant with regards to this video, given the unique circumstances. The point is to demonstrate what's possible with 177KB, and the music (included with this version) is a part of the procedurally-generated content. (It's also inadequately reproduced, but that's YouTube for you.) The other video is presented for a different reason entirely, and as such I'd say they're sufficiently unique, even if a simple change of music is not usually adequate.

Well, the quality on youtube is so terrible, I decided to basically recapture the whole thing using fraps, AA8Q, AF16, max quality settings, in HD (1280x720).

http://www.vimeo.com/736936

(vimeo mangles the file to save bandwidth but it's still HD and miles away from youtube quality. AND you can also download my original upload encoded in h264 @ 6.5mpbs). Thank you vimeo