Very Important video - Let's see what happens from here!

Holy shit... this is for real?!?

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She looks like a happy grandma. (which she is) Makes me realize how old all these people are...

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Yay. Now for the real battle in the Senate. Reid is saying this could stretch into spring next year because budget appropriation bills have to come first.

And now for the spectacular fail everyone knows is coming.

I object! I object! (...)

Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?

Joseph Cao from New Orleans.

wow, i honestly never expected this to get through with the public option (mostly) intact, which it is, call me a cynic i guess.

>> ^BoneyD:
Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?


I think it must have been Michelle Bachman.

>> ^BoneyD:
Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?


Naw I don't think Ron Paul is really into the government helping the poor (or the average). It was Anh "Joseph" Quang Cao, of Louisiana.

>> ^BoneyD:
Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?


Ron Paul would never vote for government run/backed anything.

>> ^Crosswords:
>> ^BoneyD:
Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?

Ron Paul would never vote for government run/backed anything.


Not exactly true, but he would never of voted for this. Let us not forget he is Dr. Paul and not Esq. Paul, as a tried and true doctor, his words should carry a bit more weight than his lawyer and lobbyist counterparts.

> Let us not forget he is Dr. Paul and not Esq. Paul, as a tried and true doctor,
> his words should carry a bit more weight

ummmm yeah, and insurance companies have been providing insurance for years, they should get to weigh in heavily also

>> ^deathcow:
> Let us not forget he is Dr. Paul and not Esq. Paul, as a tried and true doctor,
> his words should carry a bit more weight
ummmm yeah, and insurance companies have been providing insurance for years, they should get to weigh in heavily also


Everything boils down to doctors, hospital facilities and medicine/equipment in the end.

Yay! Go America go! Thumbs up from your neighbours up north =D

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^deathcow:
> Let us not forget he is Dr. Paul and not Esq. Paul, as a tried and true doctor,
> his words should carry a bit more weight
ummmm yeah, and insurance companies have been providing insurance for years, they should get to weigh in heavily also

Everything boils down to doctors, hospital facilities and medicine/equipment in the end.


I would argue that doctors should not even be aware of the costs of medical equipment/medicine/etc. It ought not to factor in to their decision. They should provide the best health care they can, period. If doctors start making economical decision, YOUR HEALTH is the one losing.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^Crosswords:
>> ^BoneyD:
Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?

Ron Paul would never vote for government run/backed anything.

Not exactly true, but he would never of voted for this. Let us not forget he is Dr. Paul and not Esq. Paul, as a tried and true doctor, his words should carry a bit more weight than his lawyer and lobbyist counterparts.


If Ron Paul's opposition to vaccines is not enough to convince you that he is a quack, then nothing will.

I thought this was gonna be a hugh laurie clip

Attention America! You already can't afford to pay for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. You can't afford teh socialized medicine.

We can't afford to pay for two wars or more bank bailouts either. We're already WAY in the red, might as well spend some money at helping people for once.

I am currently paying 9% of my monthly net income for insurance premiums. That does not include the copays and deductibles and it's already a higher percentage than I pay annually for income tax after deductions. On top of that, my copays and monthly payments are about to increase in 2010 and I assume deductibles will increase as well.

I'd rather make those monthly payments into a public health plan that doesn't operate on a profit model and make care decisions based on it's obligation to investors. No, public health insurance is not free. Neither is private health insurance.

I'd rather make those monthly payments into a public health plan that doesn't operate on a profit model and make care decisions based on it's obligation to investors. No, public health insurance is not free. Neither is private health insurance.

"Public" health care is nothing but a power grab where government is using propoganda, fear, and class envy to trick the public into willingly enslaving itself. Public health insurance is not free? Very true. What the left is not willing to admit is that it is more expensive than could possibly be imagined. From a financial standpoint it is (at best) 6 of 1 and a half-dozen from the other compared to private markets in terms of costs. But when you factor in the price of freedom, the cost of 'public' health care shoots into the realm of incalculable.

I'd rather make those monthly payments into a public health plan that doesn't operate on a profit

It is this kind of comment that explains to me exactly how lunatics like Pelosi get elected in some districts. This kind of ignorance is a pretty alarming comment at just how bad our nation is at teaching basic civics and economics. To think, that there are people who actually BELIEVE that government is 'non-profit'... Sigh. And even putting that aside - to think that there are people who actually BELIEVE that power and money are better off in the hands of government than in the hands of private citizens... Double sigh.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^Crosswords:
>> ^BoneyD:
Who was the Republican? Ron Paul?

Ron Paul would never vote for government run/backed anything.

Not exactly true, but he would never of voted for this. Let us not forget he is Dr. Paul and not Esq. Paul, as a tried and true doctor, his words should carry a bit more weight than his lawyer and lobbyist counterparts.

If Ron Paul's opposition to vaccines is not enough to convince you that he is a quack, then nothing will.


Interesting, his position seems pretty clear here. Vaccines good, force bad. Welcome to the new theocracy. Long live the violence of majority factions.

To help out Sifters with short attention spans, I have condensed Mr. Pennypacker's post.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

waa waa waa democracy is only served with votes that I agree with waa waa waa

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
"Public" health care is nothing but a power grab where government is using propoganda, fear, and class envy to trick the public into willingly enslaving itself.

You're projecting WP. You meant to say "Patriot Act" instead of "Public health care".

i would rather pay into a public plan also. but this has no public plan. the so called public option isnt public nor an option. this is just total welfare handout bullshit. tax the rich and expand medicare,
wtf.

Congratulations America.

You meant to say "Patriot Act"

I didn't like the PA. It's bad law. But what of it? For you to even bring it up is irrelevant & smacks of childishness.

I hope this thing dies in the Senate (as all projections indicate it will). Then I hope they repeal the PA and toss all the people who voted for it into Guantanamo Bay. Then I hope they repeal the Farm Subsidy Act, the Education Bill, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Federal Withholding from paycheks, and about a dozen other Federal programs. Then I hope they pass a law that forbids the Federal government from passing any law without 65% approval from the House and 75% approval from the Senate. Then I hope they pass a law that requires any ruling from a judge that changes state or federal law to be ratified by a 75% majority in Congress and a 100% vote from the Senate.

That'll cut the federal budget by about 50%, and put a screeching halt to government at the federal level. That is as it should be. It'll also stop all this judicial legislation where tinpot ignoramouses just make up laws out of nowhere. They'd have to make sure they only 'made' laws that the vast majority of all Americans wanted, instead of just laws for their own little judicial fiefdoms.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
"Public" health care is nothing but a power grab where government is using propoganda, fear, and class envy to trick the public into willingly enslaving itself.

Not surprising you would feel this way since if everyone in the country could have Medicare, speaking out against Medicare would become a political death sentence. It's a bit naive to boil it down to a "power grab." Perhaps it's meant to actually people who need it! Inconceivable!

Really, if you expect your own ideas ever to be taken seriously, you've got to give up on being so cynical and absolute. Otherwise, when you try and get some more rights for gun owners, people will look at your proposal and say "oh, look at this power grab propaganda, etc." I'm sure you wouldn't want that, but you'll wait for that day to come before you even consider the word "civility."

It is this kind of comment that explains to me exactly how lunatics like Pelosi get elected in some districts. This kind of ignorance is a pretty alarming comment at just how bad our nation is at teaching basic civics and economics. To think, that there are people who actually BELIEVE that government is 'non-profit'... Sigh. And even putting that aside - to think that there are people who actually BELIEVE that power and money are better off in the hands of government than in the hands of private citizens... Double sigh.

Excuse me, Professor... could you actually teach us something if you insist on lecturing? Don't just tell us what you think, tell us why you're right. Anyone that's been here for awhile knows to look up the right wing talking points to know what you think, so you're wasting our time repeating them. Bring us the proof.

Or are you factually challenged?

One more step in the wrong direction.

I refer those who are against a public option to the Al Franken video re: Medical bankruptcies in America vs. Nations with Public Health Care.

I've long since given up on trying to convince others how stupid collectivism is. Now...its time to sit back, profit wildly as any sensible capitalist would, and watch the hope-mongers gets what they deserve.

It's your debt, I won't fight you for it.

There are moments in my life, in which I experience good things: Getting Eagle Scout, Graduating from College, Getting my first car (which required a stiff drink when I got home), watching Mr. Obama become president.

There are moments in my life, in which I experience bad things: Death of my cat, passing of a lover, 9/11, watching my fellow Americans tear each other up on things.

I would have to put this moment, in the first group. Once this is passed, and years later, people will wonder why this wasn't done sooner.

The public option will be a good thing for this country. It'll force the health care companies, to exercise good business practices, offer more services and ammendies to its customers, at a lower cost, then it does now. It'll force the CEO and upper levels of executives to take paychecks and perks at far less then they do now. Because, if they don't, customers will simply go else where, and they do have long memories.

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