What a maroon.
*promote

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The look on that dudes face was priceless!

John Stossel: "Mr. Cain, yes or no, should abortions be legal?"
Herman Cain: "Let me make this clear for you: I am pro-life, but I am absolutely not against what I didn't unfavorably say before I thought about not saying my opinion with regards to the legality of abortions. Is that clear enough for you?"

*idiots in the audience clap...*

Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.

Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

He eventually got to his official policy stand in the end I guess, but seemed a little confused about choosing between freedom from government interference and his beliefs being the law of the land.

It's funny when the key talking points that are drilled into you conflict with each other.

Freedom from big government, except when I say so.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.


LOL...oh wait, you're serious?

Even bigger LOLs.

Inexplicably bitter upper-middle-class-raised community activist versus successful entrepreneur who came up from nothing.

Wish I could be proven wrong about liberal schemes in the best way: with low unemployment, prosperity and more, not less, freedom.

But freedom and vote-buyin' libs guaranteeing an equality of outcomes aren't compatible.


>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

LOL...oh wait, you're serious?
Even bigger LOLs.

@quantumushroom

Cain just got done showing us his mental capacity.

Please continue showing us yours.

quantummushroom: the only way I can make sense of your definition of freedom is that either you are in the top 1% capitalist class or are completely ignorant of the history of labor and rise of the middle class in America.

A third possibility is that you are just duped by Fox News I suppose.

What exactly is a 'liberal scheme" anyway? Can you point to some concrete examples? The labor movement? Affirmative Action? Social Security? Medicare? Do these qualify as schemes?

Well QM, my friend.
If we follow your "success" logic, Bill Gates should be the president of the US, and Warren Buffet should be V.P. Are you OK with that?


>> ^quantumushroom:

Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I still prefer a confused right to lifer than a crystal clear abortionist.

I think this actually deserves a *wtf tag.

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>> ^quantumushroom:

Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.


I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

This would've been that much better if he would've segued to "As a pro-lifer, do you oppose the death penalty?"

what about capital punishment?

<crickets>>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?


Not true. There is a push by certain groups to force doctors to perform abortions even if they morally object to them on a personal level.

WTF?
As a doctor, you decide which procedures to perform and which to recommend to another physician. Where on earth do you get your information?


>> ^marbles:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

Not true. There is a push by certain groups to force doctors to perform abortions even if they morally object to them on a personal level.

I support it, except when I don't support it, and especially on the third Tuesday of each month except on leap years or years evenly divisible by 42. An exception is when voices from invisible winged people from a nearby quasi-dimension talk to me in my head telepathically and tell me to do things.

>> ^MonkeySpank:

WTF?
As a doctor, you decide which procedures to perform and which to recommend to another physician. Where on earth do you get your information?

>> ^marbles:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

Not true. There is a push by certain groups to force doctors to perform abortions even if they morally object to them on a personal level.



Don't bother trying to comprehend what you quote. Notice I said "a push by certain groups".

So are you just ignorant, or are you ignorant and inept at actually researching the issue I brought up?

>> ^lantern53:

I still prefer a confused right to lifer than a crystal clear abortionist.


Fuck you, I love abortionism. I aborted 15 kids before breakfast.

Too many damn people on the planet anyway, so let's start by deleting anyone we can.
Yeah, that's right I am pro-death. Particularly yours.

Happy now?

>> ^marbles:

>> ^MonkeySpank:
WTF?
As a doctor, you decide which procedures to perform and which to recommend to another physician. Where on earth do you get your information?

>> ^marbles:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

Not true. There is a push by certain groups to force doctors to perform abortions even if they morally object to them on a personal level.


Don't bother trying to comprehend what you quote. Notice I said "a push by certain groups".
So are you just ignorant, or are you ignorant and inept at actually researching the issue I brought up?


Presumably, these "certain groups" are the same people who blew up WTC7.

Not a bright fellow.

Not sure that I would consider you the best judge of what is or is not ignorant based on the crazy ass shit you accept as truth. Play to your strengths, whatever those may be. >> ^marbles:

>> ^MonkeySpank:
WTF?
As a doctor, you decide which procedures to perform and which to recommend to another physician. Where on earth do you get your information?

>> ^marbles:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

Not true. There is a push by certain groups to force doctors to perform abortions even if they morally object to them on a personal level.


Don't bother trying to comprehend what you quote. Notice I said "a push by certain groups".
So are you just ignorant, or are you ignorant and inept at actually researching the issue I brought up?

>> ^marbles:


Don't bother trying to comprehend what you quote. Notice I said "a push by certain groups".
So are you just ignorant, or are you ignorant and inept at actually researching the issue I brought up?
Ah, a mindless regurgitator. Spew the same prattle you soak up sleeping with the TV on, and then accuse others of being ignorant because they can't know what you didn't write. But then, unbelievably, you actually affirm what you didn't write as if he didn't didn't read it the first time you didn't write it.



Name these "certain groups". Most people who are not you have much higher validity requirements than "some jackass on VS said it".

Certain groups say that marbles has lost all of his.

This is like watching Stossel playing with one of those dolls that talks when you pull its string.

<pull>

I'm pro-life.

<pull>

Government shouldn't tell people what to do.

You can almost see the smoke starting to come out of his ears.

*news
*health

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Government is limited both in scope and power by the Constitution. Cain has his personal beliefs in one corner and what he knows about the limits of government power in another. He may not have a precise understanding of the latter but it's a hell of a lot closer to the original intent and spirit of the law than King Obama's regime, meaning Cain knows the power to 'inflict' his personal beliefs on others is limited.

Do you think the left welcomes less government intervention in any of our lives? For starters, how about under no circumstances should government ever pay for an abortion? Nor should government be allowed to prosecute any medical personel who refuse to participate in one. Making abortions "free" is a form of coercion, creating an option that the irresponsible might not even have considered.


>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?

>> ^quantumushroom:

Government is limited both in scope and power by the Constitution. Cain has his personal beliefs in one corner and what he knows about the limits of government power in another. He may not have a precise understanding of the latter but it's a hell of a lot closer to the original intent and spirit of the law than King Obama's regime, meaning Cain knows the power to 'inflict' his personal beliefs on others is limited.
Do you think the left welcomes less government intervention in any of our lives? For starters, how about under no circumstances should government ever pay for an abortion? Nor should government be allowed to prosecute any medical personel who refuse to participate in one. Making abortions "free" is a form of coercion, creating an option that the irresponsible might not even have considered.

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

I don't understand what you mean by "what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do." Remember the government isn't forcing abortions onto people...it's saying that it cannot make them illegal. Isn't that what you want? Less government intervention into our personal lives?



But you're just saying these things. I haven't heard of any concerted or serious efforts by anyone who has any sort of power say that doctors should be prosecuted for failing to perform abortions. You're providing no proof of this.

Also as far as government funding...if the government is providing health care why wouldn't they provide money for abortion? Especially in cases when a women's health or well being is threatened?

Also yes government in limited both in scope and power by the constitution. However we're supposed to live in a democracy, and if the people want a change in the constitution that should be allowed to take place.

Marbles may be referring to this garbage bill, which has yet to pass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act

Cain hasn't even begun. And lo, not a Teleprompter in sight.

I'm waiting out the reign of the ninnyhammers of this corrupt regime, along with the rest of the country.

If only socialism could prove its superiority with results instead of rhetoric!

>> ^Boise_Lib:

@quantumushroom
Cain just got done showing us his mental capacity.
Please continue showing us yours.

This guy's an idiot.

quantummushroom: the only way I can make sense of your definition of freedom is that either you are in the top 1% capitalist class or are completely ignorant of the history of labor and rise of the middle class in America.

This may come as a shock, but you don't have to be in the 1% to be happy or free. Very few of those 1% are inheritors of wealth, they earned it, and the wealth was a byproduct of providing some useful goods or service people wanted. If you're getting your history of these United States from Howard Zinn or lamestream media, yeah, ignorance could be your secret admirer as well.


A third possibility is that you are just duped by Fox News I suppose.

I never watch it. I suspect more liberals watch it than conservatives, for the same reason people who hate Howard Stern listen to him: to see what he says next.

What exactly is a 'liberal scheme" anyway? Can you point to some concrete examples? The labor movement? Affirmative Action? Social Security? Medicare? Do these qualify as schemes?

The labor movement served a valid purpose until it didn't. And no government employee should be in a union. Ever. A scheme is a questionable idea which has revealed itself as existing mostly its own sake, usually by fraud and incompetence. Affirmative action is an insult to minorities. Medicare might have some merit, but the 60 billion dollars it loses to fraud EVERY year makes one question whether it really exists mainly to help people or aw away for government to take over the medical field.

King Obama has ALREADY spent over a trillion in "stimulus". Result: jack squat. Government spending has never been, nor will ever be, the solution.
















>> ^petpeeved:

quantummushroom: the only way I can make sense of your definition of freedom is that either you are in the top 1% capitalist class or are completely ignorant of the history of labor and rise of the middle class in America.
A third possibility is that you are just duped by Fox News I suppose.
What exactly is a 'liberal scheme" anyway? Can you point to some concrete examples? The labor movement? Affirmative Action? Social Security? Medicare? Do these qualify as schemes?

I would be OK with it if Gates had ideas I liked as well as the charisma necessary for the job. To answer your unasked question: wealth does not equal wisdom, nor impart the gift of leadership.

Warren Buffoon has one gift IMO: predicting the stock market. Otherwise he seems rather oblivious about how economics work. Poor fellow.





>> ^MonkeySpank:

Well QM, my friend.
If we follow your "success" logic, Bill Gates should be the president of the US, and Warren Buffet should be V.P. Are you OK with that?

>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Marbles may be referring to this garbage bill, which has yet to pass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act


hmmm... let's have a look at the actual bill, shall we?

"(a) Statement of Policy- It is the policy of the United States that every woman has the fundamental right to choose to bear a child, to terminate a pregnancy prior to fetal viability, or to terminate a pregnancy after fetal viability when necessary to protect the life or health of the woman.

(b) Prohibition of Interference- A government may not--

(1) deny or interfere with a woman's right to choose--

(A) to bear a child;

(B) to terminate a pregnancy prior to viability; or

(C) to terminate a pregnancy after viability where termination is necessary to protect the life or health of the woman; or

(2) discriminate against the exercise of the rights set forth in paragraph (1) in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information.

(c) Civil Action- An individual aggrieved by a violation of this section may obtain appropriate relief (including relief against a government) in a civil action."

So basically, it says that the government cannot deny a woman the right to an abortion. Sounds like a bloody good law to me.

Weird. I was like I *think* I know what he is trying to say here and there. I am still confused except for the fact that this guy was either trying horribly to be manipulative for future flip flopping or he is a total idiot, you know, but probably just both.

>> ^lantern53:

I still prefer a confused right to lifer than a crystal clear abortionist.


You're obviously a man.

I don't even want to argue with this logic - it hurts my head to even think of a response to this digital puke. You win the internet, QM! You're a winner!

>> ^quantumushroom:

<snip>

Warren Buffoon has one gift IMO: predicting the stock market. Otherwise he seems rather oblivious about how economics work. Poor fellow.


>> ^MonkeySpank:
Well QM, my friend.
If we follow your "success" logic, Bill Gates should be the president of the US, and Warren Buffet should be V.P. Are you OK with that?

>> ^quantumushroom:
Yeah, he did a poor job clarifying his personal beliefs, versus beliefs about what government should or shouldn't be allowed to do.
Of course, compared to the Kenyawaiian narcissist, Cain is a genius many times over, with actual business and life experience.

The funniest thing is that a 4-week-old fetus must be protected and saved, but a 4-week-old baby deserves no health insurance. In other words, we are only pro-life until the baby is born, then it's out of the government's hands. That's the republican way!

Idiots. The people who voted for that man, I mean.

>> ^ChaosEngine:
Presumably, these "certain groups" are the same people who blew up WTC7.


Presumably, you're a disgusting human being:
>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^lantern53:
I still prefer a confused right to lifer than a crystal clear abortionist.

Fuck you, I love abortionism. I aborted 15 kids before breakfast.
Too many damn people on the planet anyway, so let's start by deleting anyone we can.
Yeah, that's right I am pro-death. Particularly yours.
Happy now?

And FWIW, a dumb one too. Everyone knows WTC7 blew itself up. *eyeroll*

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Not sure that I would consider you the best judge of what is or is not ignorant based on the crazy ass shit you accept as truth. Play to your strengths, whatever those may be.
LOLz I am sure that I don't give a fuck about any of your considerations, but thanks anyway. It's too bad you don't hold that "crazy ass shit you accept as truth" standard for yourself though.
But what are you going to do, am I right? (I mean outside of interjecting with ad hominem arguments)

>> ^Fletch:

>> ^marbles:

Don't bother trying to comprehend what you quote. Notice I said "a push by certain groups".
So are you just ignorant, or are you ignorant and inept at actually researching the issue I brought up?
Ah, a mindless regurgitator. Spew the same prattle you soak up sleeping with the TV on, and then accuse others of being ignorant because they can't know what you didn't write. But then, unbelievably, you actually affirm what you didn't write as if he didn't didn't read it the first time you didn't write it.

Name these "certain groups". Most people who are not you have much higher validity requirements than "some jackass on VS said it".


Is this your attempt at having a dialogue on the issue? Don't know wtf the first part of your post is talking about. So the first two ass-hats imply I'm foolish for not accepting government lies, now you call me a mindless regurgitator. Maybe next time you guys should get on the same page before dishing baseless attacks that conflict with each other.

Much higher validity requirements? LOLz good one. I didn't realize I was stating something that so many people were oblivious to. You do realize the internet has search engines that can help you with your problem.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Marbles may be referring to this garbage bill, which has yet to pass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act


Thanks, but I was more referring to the front groups for global elites that are obsessed with population control. Don't know anything about this bill.

>> ^marbles:
I was more referring to the front groups for global elites that are obsessed with population control.

Illuminati?