Guy bashes on the new youtube comment system

Does anyone like it?
shatterdrosesays...

If he wasn't so far off his kilter. He doesn't use Social Media but uses YouTube?

YouTube already had top comments anyway.

And it sounds like he's bitching about what YouTube was already trying to do, but they finally made it work.

The Real Name deal, yeah, I like that. I'd rather people do that. Why? Because as it stands, who cares about YouTube comments anyway? It's the cesspool of the internet. So if less people comment, it might not be bad thing.

Lastly, his comments about Google+ and YouTube . . . well, guess what dumbass, Google bought YouTube to make money. Not to keep your fantasies of internet anonymity alive. The people bringing YouTube down are those who feel they can never receive backlash, such as the bullies who follow their classmates and harass them, or just simply the HNG's who comment on 15 year old girls videos about what sexual act they'd love to perform on them, or the more mundane "you suck and you should die" comments. Hell, does no one remember that being the reason Rebecca Black skyrocketed to a household name? It wasn't because her song was good, or that bad really, it was because the YouTube comments became the base bottom of humanity . . . and the irony being those who hated her and told her to die, made her big money (which, I believe, she gave away).

So yeah, this guy can go whine in another YouTube video about YouTube and when they change something again, I'm sure he'll be there as well.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-stupid-youtube-comments-are-older-than-internet/

Jinxsays...

People actually read youtube comments? HAHAHAHA. You post something on a video with 1000+ views and it doesn't matter how insightful or eloquent you are, its already lost in a sea of dribble. At least now if you comment through g+ somebody might actually see it.

Fairbssays...

It kind of amazes me how much people can complain about something that is pretty awesome and free. Oh no, you have to sign in or sign up for something? Woe is me.

MilkmanDansays...

To my eye, it seems like YouTube has been actively trying to piss users off with shit like this for a while now. I don't have enough of a tinfoil hat on to actually think that is true, but it sure seems like it.

This guy hit a lot of the issues, but here's my rundown of annoyances:
* I've used GMail forever. In the past year, Google decided that means that I want their services for everything. YouTube, Google+, etc. etc. No, I don't.

* GMail inbox now has handy-dandy tabs that separate my email into "Primary" (the one I actually want), "Social" (can I rename this 'trash'?), and "Promotions" (kill it with fire). I don't want that crap, other than as a filter that immediately trashes it and marks as spam.

* YouTube embeds used to not show annotations by default. Which was nice, because annotations suck. Now, the embed player seems to decide that you want them all the time, unless you want to sign in and go through a 19-step process to disable them.

* Caching and streaming used to work. I don't have a massively fast connection, and I live on the opposite side of the earth which gives me high latency. BUT, my connection is fast enough that I used to be able to pick out videos that I really want to watch in high quality, set to 1080p, pause, and let it cache for a few minutes. With that head start, I could probably play the video the whole way through. Now, if I pause, the player decides that I really want it to shittily try to transition down to a lower quality, which frequently garbles the whole video stream for a moderate duration and occasionally crashes it altogether. Thanks for that!


Plenty more issues, but I guess I'll stop there. Basically, all that Google/YouTube have accomplished is to encourage me to put on Adblock Plus, Adblock Plus Element Hiding Helper (hide the entire f*&$ing comments section, nag-bars, etc. -- highly recommended), and Flash Video Downloader. That last one lets me simply download videos, at any quality available, so I can watch at my leisure.

Of course, YouTube is in a constant arms race with all those downloader plugins, so they periodically break for a day or so while they are updated to circumvent the YT blocks. But generally, they work well and let me download material to use when teaching classes here in rooms with no net connection.

rottenseedsays...

*drivel

...for next time

Jinxsaid:

People actually read youtube comments? HAHAHAHA. You post something on a video with 1000+ views and it doesn't matter how insightful or eloquent you are, its already lost in a sea of dribble. At least now if you comment through g+ somebody might actually see it.

chingalerasays...

Hauntingly similar to a comment I made on YT the day the geeks (hold-up in a room with no contact with anyone recognized as human) tweaked their system:

Cracktaculus
2 days ago

Dear You Tube-I hate this new feature, sharing my personal (and no ,did not read terms and conditions) business with the world-So, yeah-plegggh! on yer latest tweaks, as always.

articiansays...

It doesn't matter if it's free or not. People take that into their lives, and to have an outside entity change that thing is quite frustrating.

I don't use facebook or G+ or any of that shit either. Being forced to use something that's not a valuable part of your daily life is kind of stupid.

I don't post on Youtube anyway because it really is a cesspool. I just wanted to comment contrary to the "if it's free, you must love it or leave it" idea. My heating bill is covered in my rent. That doesn't give them the right to change my thermostat or turn it off whenever they please.

Fairbssaid:

It kind of amazes me how much people can complain about something that is pretty awesome and free. Oh no, you have to sign in or sign up for something? Woe is me.

Jinxsays...

No, I meant dribble.

See, in English we sometimes we say things we don't literally mean. I want you to imagine some slack jaw, shirt stained with drool, covering their screen with their indignant "drivel".

ELLIPSIS FOR NEXT TIME MOFUCKA.

rottenseedsaid:

*drivel

...for next time

JiggaJonsonsays...

No, you meant "drivel"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/drivel
n.
1. Saliva flowing from the mouth.
2. Stupid or senseless talk.

The noun form of the word "dribble" isn't actually saliva:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dribble
n.
1. A weak, unsteady stream; a trickle.
2. A small quantity; a bit.
3. Sports The act of dribbling a ball.

Don't worry @rottenseed , I got yo' Bach.
And if you're wondering, sometimes in English we say things we don't mean; but here I mean I literally have rottenseed's Johann Sebastian Bach sex doll. I don't have his back and I'm not some ignorant/smart ass who is pretending to know that I actually mean "back" and not his "Bach." So sometimes we say things we actually mean too.

Jinxsaid:

No, I meant dribble.

See, in English we sometimes we say things we don't literally mean. I want you to imagine some slack jaw, shirt stained with drool, covering their screen with their indignant "drivel".

ELLIPSIS FOR NEXT TIME MOFUCKA.

oritteroposays...

Not every dictionary agrees with you, and I would consider this reference to be more authoritative than yours:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dribble?showCookiePolicy=true#dribble_1

(pedant mode: off)

JiggaJonsonsaid:

No, you meant "drivel"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/drivel
n.
1. Saliva flowing from the mouth.
2. Stupid or senseless talk.

The noun form of the word "dribble" isn't actually saliva:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dribble
n.
1. A weak, unsteady stream; a trickle.
2. A small quantity; a bit.
3. Sports The act of dribbling a ball.

Don't worry @rottenseed , I got yo' Bach.
And if you're wondering, sometimes in English we say things we don't mean; but here I mean I literally have rottenseed's Johann Sebastian Bach sex doll. I don't have his back and I'm not some ignorant/smart ass who is pretending to know that I actually mean "back" and not his "Bach." So sometimes we say things we actually mean too.

JiggaJonsonsays...



Here's a yours vs mine line by line comparison for the noun definition:

a small quantity of liquid falling in drops or flowing in a thin stream
vs.
A weak, unsteady stream; a trickle

a small quantity or supply
vs.
A small quantity; a bit

an act or instance of dribbling
vs.
Sports The act of dribbling a ball

oritteroposaid:

Not every dictionary agrees with you, and I would consider this reference to be more authoritative than yours:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dribble?showCookiePolicy=true#dribble_1

(pedant mode: off)

Stormsingersays...

Not to be too snarky, but they did make it pretty fucking easy to get rid of the tabs. Settings | Configure inbox | check or clear the tabs you want or don't want.

Clear them all but "Primary" (which doesn't appear to be clearable anyway) and you're back to the old look.

MilkmanDansaid:

* GMail inbox now has handy-dandy tabs that separate my email into "Primary" (the one I actually want), "Social" (can I rename this 'trash'?), and "Promotions" (kill it with fire). I don't want that crap, other than as a filter that immediately trashes it and marks as spam.

oritteroposays...

Hmm... we could both have to hand in our pedant cards after this.

The important part of the definition for this discussion is, as a noun, an act or instance of dribbling. The verb means to allow saliva to trickle from the mouth, and the synonyms are:

drool, drivel, slaver, slobber, drip, spit, saliva.

If you say someone had dribble on their face, or had dribbled on their face, you don't need to qualify it with saliva as the meaning is already implied.

You know, it's not too late to ninja-edit both our comments and pretend none of this ever happened...

JiggaJonsonsaid:

Here's a yours vs mine line by line comparison for the noun definition:

a small quantity of liquid falling in drops or flowing in a thin stream
vs.
A weak, unsteady stream; a trickle

a small quantity or supply
vs.
A small quantity; a bit

an act or instance of dribbling
vs.
Sports The act of dribbling a ball

coolhundsays...

I still think that open comments on the Internet are essential. As horrible as some may be, its still better than to censor people, who are simply venting there instead of sucking it up and eventually exploding in something more horrible than a fucking few letters.
People need to get more tolerant and need to have more self esteem and also think more before bursting out into a pile of emotions. Not everyone has a nice life, not everyone can afford the things they want, not everyone had much luck in life with anything. In a fucked up society like ours, you cant fix everything, and some fixes will make it even worse.
Ignoring bad things will only make them worse. Its that simple.

RFlaggsays...

My problem with the new comment system is the fact that spam is usually the top comments now. The top comments were relevant about 70% of the time before (with the occasional "Reddit sent me here" type BS), now it is ASCII art. They had a thumbs up, thumbs down thing for their comment system before to rate comments as relevant or not, you had to scroll past the top comments to get to the most recent comments...

And to answer Google's question, yes, most recent first... that is why I don't use Google+, because posts are put in some random order (at least on mobile devices) with no option to keep it in post order.

To be fair, there is a drop down menu in YouTube comments to put posts with most recent first. If they want, they could, should add another option to include "replies by poster"... and perhaps a search option to search comments... seeing how they are a search company...

I like the nested comments, but I don't like the way comments are overall now.

Look at the ASCII art found on the top comment of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aD5u02qoxQ how is that comment the top comment? Heck it is hard to even thumbs down it as the text goes over the thumbs.

They want to cross promote Google+? Fine, then put the same bar that is on top of GMail and Google Calendar across the top of YouTube.... instant cross promotion of all your products...

EDIT: Where the heck did that bar across the top of GMail and Calendar go? Seems you now have a less intuitive Apps button on the top...

JiggaJonsonsays...

Meh. The noun form is the one that's really important because that's how it was used in the sentence.

What he said was:
"...it's already lost in a sea of dribble"
What that means is:
"...it's already lost in a sea of the act of dribbling"
or
"...it's already lost in a sea of a small quantity"
or
"...it's already lost in a sea of a slow trickle"

--------------------

The real issue here is the snide response I didn't like and the unwillingness of people to admit they're wrong and correct a mistake.

Ironically, by saying "it's already lost in a sea of dribble," then defending the misuse of that word @Jinx was adding to the drivel on the internet without realizing it.

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

oritteroposaid:

Hmm... we could both have to hand in our pedant cards after this.

The important part of the definition for this discussion is, as a noun, an act or instance of dribbling. The verb means to allow saliva to trickle from the mouth, and the synonyms are:

drool, drivel, slaver, slobber, drip, spit, saliva.

If you say someone had dribble on their face, or had dribbled on their face, you don't need to qualify it with saliva as the meaning is already implied.

You know, it's not too late to ninja-edit both our comments and pretend none of this ever happened...

Lawdeedawsays...

Actually the thermostat issue you bring up is off. First, if I want it on 65 degrees in the summer and 83 in the winter, plus I leave a window open all day for fresh air, I end up costing the business and tenants money. Youtube on the other hand does not cost additional money. And yes, if they wanted to they could change your policy by separating the bills based on too prohibitive costs. Or they could cap your temperatures and be within their means.

articiansaid:

It doesn't matter if it's free or not. People take that into their lives, and to have an outside entity change that thing is quite frustrating.

I don't use facebook or G+ or any of that shit either. Being forced to use something that's not a valuable part of your daily life is kind of stupid.

I don't post on Youtube anyway because it really is a cesspool. I just wanted to comment contrary to the "if it's free, you must love it or leave it" idea. My heating bill is covered in my rent. That doesn't give them the right to change my thermostat or turn it off whenever they please.

Lawdeedawsays...

Not sure why you were downvoted so much when basically almost everyone else agreed with you, yet they were upvoted. :?

shatterdrosesaid:

If he wasn't so far off his kilter. He doesn't use Social Media but uses YouTube?

YouTube already had top comments anyway.

And it sounds like he's bitching about what YouTube was already trying to do, but they finally made it work.

The Real Name deal, yeah, I like that. I'd rather people do that. Why? Because as it stands, who cares about YouTube comments anyway? It's the cesspool of the internet. So if less people comment, it might not be bad thing.

Lastly, his comments about Google+ and YouTube . . . well, guess what dumbass, Google bought YouTube to make money. Not to keep your fantasies of internet anonymity alive. The people bringing YouTube down are those who feel they can never receive backlash, such as the bullies who follow their classmates and harass them, or just simply the HNG's who comment on 15 year old girls videos about what sexual act they'd love to perform on them, or the more mundane "you suck and you should die" comments. Hell, does no one remember that being the reason Rebecca Black skyrocketed to a household name? It wasn't because her song was good, or that bad really, it was because the YouTube comments became the base bottom of humanity . . . and the irony being those who hated her and told her to die, made her big money (which, I believe, she gave away).

So yeah, this guy can go whine in another YouTube video about YouTube and when they change something again, I'm sure he'll be there as well.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-stupid-youtube-comments-are-older-than-internet/

Jinxsays...

From your own source:

"Noun. 2. dribble - saliva spilling from the mouth,"

But then I wasn't trying to be grammatically correct in the first place. You could have been right and I would have still meant dribble. I will always mean dribble.

And this is why I hate comment sections. Look what it does to people. Terrible. Truly. I'm done dribbling my dribble/drool/drivel/verbal diarrhea here.

JiggaJonsonsaid:

No, you meant "drivel"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/drivel
n.
1. Saliva flowing from the mouth.
2. Stupid or senseless talk.

The noun form of the word "dribble" isn't actually saliva:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dribble
n.
1. A weak, unsteady stream; a trickle.
2. A small quantity; a bit.
3. Sports The act of dribbling a ball.

Don't worry @rottenseed , I got yo' Bach.
And if you're wondering, sometimes in English we say things we don't mean; but here I mean I literally have rottenseed's Johann Sebastian Bach sex doll. I don't have his back and I'm not some ignorant/smart ass who is pretending to know that I actually mean "back" and not his "Bach." So sometimes we say things we actually mean too.

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