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70 Comments
kir_mokumsays...jesus christ.
blankfistsays...More protecting and serving the shit out of motherfuckaz!
treatsays...She was obviously a danger to both herself and others. She had it coming.
dystopianfuturetodaysays...Why do so many of these things happen in Texas? Must be something in the water.
Looks like the cop, Arturo Perez, "retired" shortly after this incident and was brought up on assault charges:
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/trooper-accused-of-using-exces.html
siftbotsays...Tags for this video have been changed from 'police, brutality, excessive force, protect and serve' to 'police, brutality, excessive force, protect and serve, texas, Arturo Perez' - edited by dystopianfuturetoday
bobknight33says...Shameful There is absolutely no reason for this.
Time for a Lawsuit
quantumushroomsays...http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/trooper-accused-of-using-exces.html
The charges against Fox (the driver) who suffered a gash in her chin and other scrapes, have since been dropped.
Didn't read anything here about teeth. Let the camera do the work without
making sh1t upexaggerating.
blankfistsays...I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
Psychologicsays...>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
bareboards2says...Love the cameras. Cameras and the internet are weaving a web of protection around each citizen.
Too cool, baby!
blankfistsays...>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
It's voluntaryism I think you were trying to write. No? Just trying to understand what you're getting at.
Psychologicsays...>> ^blankfist:
>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
It's voluntaryism I think you were trying to write. No? Just trying to understand what you're getting at.
Actually it was a reference to individuals volunteering their time free of charge to help others, such lawyers working pro bono. As far as I can tell, volunteerism was the correct term.
blankfistsays...>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
It's voluntaryism I think you were trying to write. No? Just trying to understand what you're getting at.
Actually it was a reference to individuals volunteering their time free of charge to help others, such lawyers working pro bono. As far as I can tell, volunteerism was the correct term.
Okay.
rottenseedsays...>> ^bareboards2:
Love the cameras. Cameras and the internet are weaving a web of protection around each citizen.
Too cool, baby!
you mean highlighting how fucked we really are?
Pantalonessays...AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/100710-victim-talks-about-alleged-trooper-assault
>> ^quantumushroom:
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/trooper-a
ccused-of-using-exces.html
The charges against Fox (the driver) who suffered a gash in her chin and other scrapes, have since been dropped.
Didn't read anything here about teeth. Let the camera do the work without
making sh1t upexaggerating.
bareboards2says...No.
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^bareboards2:
Love the cameras. Cameras and the internet are weaving a web of protection around each citizen.
Too cool, baby!
you mean highlighting how fucked we really are?
burdturglersays...>> ^quantumushroom:
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/trooper-a
ccused-of-using-exces.html
The charges against Fox (the driver) who suffered a gash in her chin and other scrapes, have since been dropped.
Didn't read anything here about teeth. Let the camera do the work without
making sh1t upexaggerating.Really doesn't matter if she lost any teeth or not ffs .. as if slamming her face first into concrete when she poses no damn threat at all isn't bad enough.
quantumushroomsays...Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
>> ^Pantalones:
AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
burdturglersays...>> ^quantumushroom:
Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
It's not a far cry at all. It's a fucking miracle she has any teeth left in her head at all after being smashed into concrete like that.
MrFisksays...*controversy
siftbotsays...Adding video to channels (Controversy) - requested by MrFisk.
GenjiKilpatricksays...@bareboards2
So is this where you draw the line?
She did resist so she deserved it, right?
Or she wasn't resisting in a place designated as a "no disturbing/dancing area" so it's not deserved?
Just trying to understand why you can empathize with this sort of violence but not violence directed against "those silly" protestors.
Pantalonessays...The cop broke her face, split her chin open, and chipped her teeth and she's now coping with being the victim of a violent crime, but thank goodness her teeth were not knocked out? Because that would have been a whole new level? Weak. Take that s to the beach, and get a tan.>> ^quantumushroom:
Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
>> ^Pantalones:
AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
bareboards2says...You're at it again, dear Genji.
I didn't say any of this.
I said that I am glad that cops have cameras on their cars. Transparency.
I am glad that the internet is spreading the videos far and wide. Public empowerment.
This is how we protect ourselves.
You are in favor of that, aren't you?
>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@bareboards2
So is this where you draw the line?
She did resist so she deserved it, right?
Or she wasn't resisting in a place designated as a "no disturbing/dancing area" so it's not deserved?
Just trying to understand why you can empathize with this sort of violence but not violence directed against "those silly" protestors.
Psychologicsays...>> ^Pantalones:
but thank goodness her teeth were not knocked out? Because that would have been a whole new level?
No, just untrue.
But hey, there's no requirement that video descriptions be accurate, so go for it.
bareboards2says...What do I have to do to get you to stop putting words in my mouth, Genji honey?
It is sooooooooo tiring defending myself from things I never said and don't believe.
From now on, whenever you do it, I am going to respond with "kumquat."
Just "kumquat."
I used to do this with a boyfriend who loved baby talk. I hate baby talk. He was feeling loving and he would bugey goo goo at me and I would want to hit him. When he was feeling loving. So we worked out a deal -- I would look at him with all the love in my heart, eye to eye, and say "kumquat" as sweetly as anything.
It meant stop it now or you aren't getting any nooky because I am grossed out.
So....
Kumquat, genji. No nooky for you if you keep putting words in my mouth that aren't mine.
>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@bareboards2
So is this where you draw the line?
She did resist so she deserved it, right?
Or she wasn't resisting in a place designated as a "no disturbing/dancing area" so it's not deserved?
Just trying to understand why you can empathize with this sort of violence but not violence directed against "those silly" protestors.
MaxWildersays...Gotta admit @bareboards2, if she's not doing what the police officer is telling her to do, how is it ok to throw around the dancing protesters but not this chick? If that is not a fair representation of your positions on the two different situations, perhaps you would care to clarify how the videos are different in your own words?
PS. Loved your kumquat story.
bareboards2says...@MaxWilder, the fact that she ended up bleeding and disoriented, with chipped teeth, and the cop retired rather than being fired makes this different from a vid where young men are bellowing loudly and healthily as standard take-down procedures are used.
Slamming anyone into a concrete wall is not standard takedown procedure.
Thanks for asking a coherent question without ascribing meanings and intentions I don't hold.
Nooky for you, young man, nooky for you!
Lawdeedawsays...>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
The free market and volunteerism actually does work. So many sharpshooting lawyers wait for this type of moment, hope for this type of moment that when it happens they orgasm...
So, even if your comment was sarcastic, you are more right than you could have guessed and you support Blankfist's line of reasoning =)
Lawdeedawsays...I don't get the controversy when a crime happens? I understand it is an abuse of power, but a controversy seems like Weinergate, not thug cop acts out... We give simple crimes too much credit.
Lawdeedawsays...But in all seriousness, just act respectful and walk to the car. You create a hostile atmosphere that ups the ante when cops lose it. When you get spit at, shot at, punched at, bit at, jerked away from, etc., that cannot instill calm. It is likewise the same if you are a cop. Treat people with respect--that goes for both sides.
Now, to be fucking crystal clear--I DO NOT SUPPORT WHAT THIS COP DID. NOR DO I BLAME THIS WOMAN FOR HIS REACTION. Thank you.
GenjiKilpatricksays...@bareboards2
Fer fuck's sake lady. Everytime you choose to whine about semantics instead of address the issue, I'll respond with "santorum stains". How 'bout that?
Why's it so hard to understand that I can't stop to get a statement before every question I ask you? [even if i did. you never give a straight answer anyway]
It's called making an inference from your past implications.
~~~
Anywho..
Like I said, the issue today is:
Why do you praise this video footage as public empowerment.. but view activists exercising civil disobedience as "dumb" or whatever exact set of words you used?
[I'd hate to
inferput words in your mouth again]I'm asking cause it's mind-boggling that you'd advocate "transparency" aka "waiting til some bad shit happens" first, over actively seeking a society in which something as simple as dancing would never be met with imprisonment or violence.
Psychologicsays...>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
The free market and volunteerism actually does work. So many sharpshooting lawyers wait for this type of moment, hope for this type of moment that when it happens they orgasm...
So, even if your comment was sarcastic, you are more right than you could have guessed and you support Blankfist's line of reasoning =)
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was just surprised to see Blankfist imply a level of hopelessness in a legal battle against someone/something with greater resources than the victim. He has argued that volunteerism offers a level of protection to the poor that they may not be able to provide themselves.
In a free market society with no government there would still be inevitable civil litigation between entities of greatly differing levels of personal wealth, but I don't think I've ever seen him express such pessimism for the weaker party is such a world.
bareboards2says...See MaxWilder's question to me and my answer above.
>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@bareboards2
Fer fuck's sake lady. Everytime you choose to whine about semantics instead of address the issue, I'll respond with "santorum stains". How 'bout that?
Why's it so hard to understand that I can't stop to get a statement before every question I ask you? [even if i did. you never give a straight answer anyway]
It's called making an inference from your past implications.
~~~
Anywho..
Like I said, the issue today is:
Why do you praise this video footage as public empowerment.. but view activists exercising civil disobedience as "dumb" or whatever exact set of words you used?
[I'd hate to
inferput words in your mouth again]I'm asking cause it's mind-boggling that you'd advocate "transparency" aka "waiting til some bad shit happens" first, over actively seeking a society in which something as simple as dancing would never be met with imprisonment or violence.
bareboards2says...@GenjiKilpatrick, the real issue between us isn't semantics. It is that you want to discuss something that I am not interested in discussing.
I say something. You change the subject.
Another reason for me to say kumquat, sweetpea, kumquat.
GenjiKilpatricksays...See, you don't even comprehend the level of delusion in this statement alone.
She was traumatized and physical injuried. Meaning she was NOT protected.
Protection is what happens before you get your face smashed into concrete.
Yet your statements still imply [oh shit, words goin' in yer mouth]:
"Yay, see! The solution for police brutality is more transparency & training"
Instead of
"Yay for better ethics & procedures that AREN'T based on the threat of violence to begin with."
I know that last sentence was a difficult concept to wrap your brain around.
Don't worry, you'll get it one day - hopefully.
>> ^bareboards2:
Love the cameras. Cameras and the internet are weaving a web of protection around each citizen.
Too cool, baby!
GenjiKilpatricksays...Hah. You mean this cop out?
"It's okay to vertically body slam a happy sober man into concrete, but goddamnit it is NEVER acceptable to horizontally body slam a sad drunk woman into concrete!"
You're clearly full of shit old lady.
And another prime example of how we humans compartmentalize the most awful shit in order to justify our indefensible positions.
..santorum stain..
Psychologicsays...>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
Protection is what happens before you get your face smashed into concrete.
Most of our "justice system" is based on deterrence rather than protection. "If you do <action>, then you risk <consequence>."
Of course part of that is education, so maybe the cops need a class called "if you do something stupid then it will probably end up on YouTube".
So yea it didn't prevent this particular abusive behavior but it will surely go much further as evidence in court that her word against his, and that's a type of protection in itself (or whatever word you find more appropriate).
shagen454says...The real shame is that people take out of court settlements for this sort of thing. Yes, it is a pain to go to court for years - but when people opt out of the system and take money instead it only obscures the underlining problem.
Lawdeedawsays...>> ^shagen454:
The real shame is that people take out of court settlements for this sort of thing. Yes, it is a pain to go to court for years - but when people opt out of the system and take money instead it only obscures the underlining problem.
Another shame is that agencies will settle out of court on plainly bogus accusations in order to avoid the waste too. It works both ways.
marblessays...>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I don't get the controversy when a crime happens? I understand it is an abuse of power, but a controversy seems like Weinergate, not thug cop acts out... We give simple crimes too much credit.
Who the fuck cares about Weinergate. Police brutality = "simple crime"? Unreal.
Psychologicsays...>> ^marbles:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I don't get the controversy when a crime happens? I understand it is an abuse of power, but a controversy seems like Weinergate, not thug cop acts out... We give simple crimes too much credit.
Who the fuck cares about Weinergate. Police brutality = "simple crime"? Unreal.
You find police brutality complicated?
blankfistsays...>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
I hope you have a great lawyer and deep pockets to sue the city or state.
If the free market won't handle it then I'm sure volunteerism will. =)
The free market and volunteerism actually does work. So many sharpshooting lawyers wait for this type of moment, hope for this type of moment that when it happens they orgasm...
So, even if your comment was sarcastic, you are more right than you could have guessed and you support Blankfist's line of reasoning =)
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was just surprised to see Blankfist imply a level of hopelessness in a legal battle against someone/something with greater resources than the victim. He has argued that volunteerism offers a level of protection to the poor that they may not be able to provide themselves.
In a free market society with no government there would still be inevitable civil litigation between entities of greatly differing levels of personal wealth, but I don't think I've ever seen him express such pessimism for the weaker party is such a world.
I think you misunderstand me. There's certainly a level of hopelessness when traversing our legal system. There's a huge disparity between taking care of one another (charity) and paying legal fees for trial lawyers reaching well into $20k to $150k per defendant.
The middle class and the poor are fucked when it comes to the "justice" system, unless you're one of the lucky few to get the ACLU, I4J or some group like that to take your case.
Let me ask you this, since you've obviously got an opinion on it, why is the public court system so expensive? Why is a trial by jury something that can often lead to bankruptcy for the defendant so they typically settle for a plea bargain?
Psychologicsays...>> ^blankfist:
Let me ask you this, since you've obviously got an opinion on it, why is the public court system so expensive? Why is a trial by jury something that can often lead to bankruptcy for the defendant so they typically settle for a plea bargain?
I wouldn't say I had a preexisting opinion on that, but it is an interesting question either way. I really can't say for sure, but there are a lot of factors involved.
There's a large initial investment in education to obtain a law degree, which certainly factors into the income needed to pay off those debts. Demand for reputable lawyers could be a part of it too... everyone wants a good lawyer, so why not charge more? How many people are willing to take a chance on a cheaper lawyer with little experience?
I'm really not well-versed in the economics of legal representation.
conansays...I'll be visiting the states soon and as strange as it sounds one of my major concerns is police. not being a native speaker i am afraid somewhat that if being stopped confusion might arise and there are various clips here that show us what confused US police officers like to do. ironically i'm not really afraid of street crime since i can choose where to go, but police officers? they are everywhere. maybe watching these clips while planning the trip is not a good idea.
bareboards2says...Just do what they say and you should be fine. DON'T ARGUE. DON'T RESIST.
Keep your hands in sight at all times, preferably away from your sides. If they start yelling, drop whatever is in your hands. Do NOT put your hands in your pockets to get your wallet. And for pity's sake, drop your cell phone if they start yelling. Let it break. It can be replaced.
Are you a person of color? You are more at risk, especially in the South and in certain high crime urban areas.
Tug your forelock. Swallow your pride. Get mad later not in front of the cop.
A friend of mine was stopped by the highway patrol late at night in rural Texas. He is white, middle class, driving a big fancy Buick. He made the conscious choice to keep his hands on the steering wheel at 10 and 2 so the cop could see them and not be nervous.
You don't want the cop to get nervous. That is when most bad things happen.
Practice saying "yes sir" and "yes ma'am". You'll be fine.
>> ^conan:
I'll be visiting the states soon and as strange as it sounds one of my major concerns is police. not being a native speaker i am afraid somewhat that if being stopped confusion might arise and there are various clips here that show us what confused US police officers like to do. ironically i'm not really afraid of street crime since i can choose where to go, but police officers? they are everywhere. maybe watching these clips while planning the trip is not a good idea.
Draxsays...Jesus christ, way to scare him more lol.
I've never lived in any fear of cops so just be yourself if you encounter one. It's never brought me any problems.
All these videos are like the tech support forum for a product.. you're going to see a lot of bad, but you have to keep in mind it's all the bad pertaining to the subject.
Any cop I've ever dealt with has been pretty cool. One after getting my new car (new model) and massively speeding in the middle of the night was asking me all kinds of questions about my car, then wrote the ticket for way under what I was actually doing. Two have just let me go when there should have been a ticket (in one case) and a bit more in anohter >.>
The rest, yeah.. just be cool with them, and they'll generaly be cool back.
You'll only get something like these videos if your odds suck and you get a bad cop (odds go up depending on how south, and far from the east or west coast you get), are protesting something.. or, GOD FORBID, dancing at a memorial.
bareboards2says...^I was presuming that @conan was stopped for something.
Sorry to scare you, conan, if I did. @Drax is right -- most cops are cool.
And if you are dancing at a non-public forum and ignore the direct instructions of an armed police officer, yes, please do be prepared to be treated roughly.
Peckinpawsays...What we are really wondering is who the person was who had access to the camera in the pig's car that uploaded the video to youtube, were they male or female or sex be-damned, did they simply want to see a douchebag go down once, and for all??!!
Texas has a notorious good-ol' boy network of assholes. Some of these assholes become police because the job description best suits their already established tendencies towards control, power over others, or simply their own tiny, tiny penis combined with latent dominant or abused/abuser tendencies. Most of these poor rejects were abused and they best suit the position-That position being to fill the ranks of those who allegedly "protect and serve" with the actual animal, hind-brained petty thugs who will follow orders and dish out hate.
"Fuck the Police coming straight from the underground."
The systems' broke and can't be fixed, merely altered or eradicated. Come, let's rebuild on the ashes. America is a lifeless husk anyhow- The architecture is ugly, the government as corrupt as any third-world nation, and the people are becoming more and more like the cast from "Idiocracy" daily.
quantumushroomsays...How did this happen? Drunk a-hole suspect, prevented from easily wiping out entire carloads of people on the highway, resists arrest and swears at cop.
Did she "deserve" what she got? No, the force was excessive. But by acting the fool she accelerated the potential for serious injury, in this case her own.
If she had been compliant from the start and still been thrown around she'd have a much better case.
Attn media: hyping non-existent injuries is no better than crying wolf.
>> ^Pantalones:
The cop broke her face, split her chin open, and chipped her teeth and she's now coping with being the victim of a violent crime, but thank goodness her teeth were not knocked out? Because that would have been a whole new level? Weak. Take that s to the beach, and get a tan.>> ^quantumushroom:
Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
>> ^Pantalones:
AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
bareboards2says...I'm not wondering. This is how the video was obtained, most likely:
"News stations fill out a request under the Freedom Of Information Act.
Anyone can request most police video, as it is a matter of public record. If the department refuses the request, you can request it from the District Attorney through a Motion of Discovery."
>> ^Peckinpaw:
What we are really wondering is who the person was who had access to the camera in the pig's car that uploaded the video to youtube, .
bamdrewsays...bleh, i always want to downvote these but almost never do
burdturglersays...>> ^quantumushroom:
How did this happen? Drunk a-hole suspect, prevented from easily wiping out entire carloads of people on the highway, resists arrest and swears at cop.
Did she "deserve" what she got? No, the force was excessive. But by acting the fool she accelerated the potential for serious injury, in this case her own.
If she had been compliant from the start and still been thrown around she'd have a much better case.
Attn media: hyping non-existent injuries is no better than crying wolf.
>> ^Pantalones:
The cop broke her face, split her chin open, and chipped her teeth and she's now coping with being the victim of a violent crime, but thank goodness her teeth were not knocked out? Because that would have been a whole new level? Weak. Take that s to the beach, and get a tan.>> ^quantumushroom:
Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
>> ^Pantalones:
AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
The video was sifted here with the title that it had at youtube. This isn't some case of media bias. Having parts of her teeth knocked out qualifies as "teeth knocked out" as far as I'm concerned. How can this small bit of minutiae mean anything to you? They fractured her friggin skull. For what? She was a non threat. There is simply no excuse for it. She had an accident and she called 911 for help. Instead, the heroic men in uniform drive her skull into a concrete divider face first. This whole "crying wolf" thing is disgusting and stupid QM. This woman was a victim of assault. The police department was in the process of firing this asshole for the assault which is why he resigned. However, that didn't save him from being charged and convicted for the crime of assault.
albrite30says...I am so tired of cops beating up on people. I really wish I could go back to being blissfully ignorant of these horrific actions.
tsquire1says...The contradictions reveal themselves: hired thugs of the state fulfilling their social function
tsquire1says...http://videosift.com/video/How-to-handle-police-brutality
Peckinpawsays...Yer forgetting a few things oh, programmed and wearing blinders-
The system is geared towards profiling the weak and uneducated
The system produces those who would abuse it (i.e. breeds thugs which later become cops
America has a history of one of the worst examples of human bondage-Most conquering armies treated their slaves better after an initial onslaught
Racism however, probably played a small part in this fiasco-Some thug got impatient, forgot his job, showed his ass, and fucking slammed a female against the wall-Case closed, the guy was a cop, and is still a complete douche.
>> ^quantumushroom:
How did this happen? Drunk a-hole suspect, prevented from easily wiping out entire carloads of people on the highway, resists arrest and swears at cop.
Did she "deserve" what she got? No, the force was excessive. But by acting the fool she accelerated the potential for serious injury, in this case her own.
If she had been compliant from the start and still been thrown around she'd have a much better case.
Attn media: hyping non-existent injuries is no better than crying wolf.
>> ^Pantalones:
The cop broke her face, split her chin open, and chipped her teeth and she's now coping with being the victim of a violent crime, but thank goodness her teeth were not knocked out? Because that would have been a whole new level? Weak. Take that s to the beach, and get a tan.>> ^quantumushroom:
Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
>> ^Pantalones:
AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
Peckinpawsays...^ Who is the poor (mushroom) soul who posted that comment anyhow??? Dude-Get a grip on whatever reality you have been programmed with!
skinnydaddy1says...Zero excuses for this. None. They teach in the police academy to always stay professional. I do not care if she pulled away. There is no excuse for it.
I will not kowtow to a person just because he wears a badge. I will be polite as long as they are. Yes, they have a hard job. So what. If they can not handle it they need to find another line of work.
littledragon_79says...You know, I can't say for sure, but it looked like maybe he didn't intend for that to happen the way it did. So much for giving people the benefit of the doubt, eh? Innocent until proven guilty?
VoodooVsays...For crying out loud, the video clearly shows her attempting to resist by trying to get away, but her feeble, half-assed attempt which obviously had no chance of being successful did not warrant the response the trooper gave.
Did she resist: of course.
Did it justify the amount of force used? hells to the no.
just another case of someone not respecting the AUTHORITAH of a law enforcement officer with a fragile ego.
I'll admit that for a moment, I was about to give the trooper the benefit of the doubt because I don't think he intended to smash her face on the concrete, he just pulled her back way too hard and shit happened. But that's the problem, he's supposed to be trained to know what level of force to use. Yank her back: sure, but yank her back THAT hard? completely unnecessary.
burdturglersays...>> ^littledragon_79:
You know, I can't say for sure, but it looked like maybe he didn't intend for that to happen the way it did. So much for giving people the benefit of the doubt, eh? Innocent until proven guilty?
He was proven guilty, when we was convicted for this in a court of law on assault charges.
ChaosEnginesays...>> ^tsquire1:
http://videosift.com/video/How-to-handle-police-brutality
That's the second time you've posted that video in response to one of these vids and the second time you've been wrong.
That video shows private security guards, so, if I may mangle an oft-quoted sentiment on the sift, "way to go, private sector idiots".
quantumushroomsays...The video was sifted here with the title that it had at youtube. This isn't some case of media bias.
>>> The youtube goofus who originally posted this is a crackpot with the usual chemtrails/truther crap on his/er youtube page. I fully support his/er right to free speech, but it's obvious s/he has an axe to grind with police and other authority figures. If anyone is at fault for the original dumb title it's him (or her) and now has a slightly improved title on the sift.
Having parts of her teeth knocked out qualifies as "teeth knocked out" as far as I'm concerned. How can this small bit of minutiae mean anything to you? They fractured her friggin skull. For what? She was a non threat. There is simply no excuse for it.
>>> The fact remains: she was acting the fool. As I wrote once before (and now have to again, apparently) the use of force was excessive. The officer in question is no longer an officer and is being brought up on charges. What more do you want?
>>> What's the real beef here? Are you simply upset that I don't share your EXACT level of outrage?
>> ^burdturgler:
>> ^quantumushroom:
How did this happen? Drunk a-hole suspect, prevented from easily wiping out entire carloads of people on the highway, resists arrest and swears at cop.
Did she "deserve" what she got? No, the force was excessive. But by acting the fool she accelerated the potential for serious injury, in this case her own.
If she had been compliant from the start and still been thrown around she'd have a much better case.
Attn media: hyping non-existent injuries is no better than crying wolf.
>> ^Pantalones:
The cop broke her face, split her chin open, and chipped her teeth and she's now coping with being the victim of a violent crime, but thank goodness her teeth were not knocked out? Because that would have been a whole new level? Weak. Take that s to the beach, and get a tan.>> ^quantumushroom:
Still no fun, but still a far cry from "teeth knocked out". Title was changed. Good.
>> ^Pantalones:
AAAAAAAND TEETH!
"Fox said in addition to a facial fracture, a split chin and chipped teeth she's also trying to recover emotionally."
The video was sifted here with the title that it had at youtube. This isn't some case of media bias. Having parts of her teeth knocked out qualifies as "teeth knocked out" as far as I'm concerned. How can this small bit of minutiae mean anything to you? They fractured her friggin skull. For what? She was a non threat. There is simply no excuse for it. She had an accident and she called 911 for help. Instead, the heroic men in uniform drive her skull into a concrete divider face first. This whole "crying wolf" thing is disgusting and stupid QM. This woman was a victim of assault. The police department was in the process of firing this asshole for the assault which is why he resigned. However, that didn't save him from being charged and convicted for the crime of assault.
burdturglersays...It doesn't appear that you have any level of outrage at all, or even empathy, when you consistently blame the victim.
"Drunk A-Hole"
"Acting the fool"
"she accelerated the potential"
Those are your words.
And the nonsense about "hyping non-existent injuries" even though she was brutally assaulted and had her teeth chipped out. Whatever, I honestly don't know why I bothered responding to your trolling in the first place. And for the last time, he isn't up on charges, he was convicted for this assault.
quantumushroomsays...Yer forgetting a few things oh, programmed and wearing blinders-
Well, thank the Goddess someone has been to kollij!
The system is geared towards profiling the weak and uneducated
I thought it was geared towards crime prevention in general and people who break the law. We're lucky so many of them are dumb.
The system produces those who would abuse it (i.e. breeds thugs which later become cops)
The system produces many more that do well.
America has a history of one of the worst examples of human bondage-Most conquering armies treated their slaves better after an initial onslaught
America is evil. Got it. Give my regards to Professor Stalin Q. Marx and the 100 million worldwide murdered by communists.
Racism however, probably played a small part in this fiasco-Some thug got impatient, forgot his job, showed his ass, and fucking slammed a female against the wall-Case closed, the guy was a cop, and is still a complete douche.
The SPECTER of RACISM! I wondered where that fkr was hiding!
Who is the poor (mushroom) soul who posted that comment anyhow??? Dude-Get a grip on whatever reality you have been programmed with!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-f0510qYnk&feature=related
ridesallyridencsays...Obviously, the cop lost his temper and made a mistake. After, "how could you to this to a WOMAN!?" "Don't grab me!", etc. I probably would have done the same damn thing, although, I'd like to think I would have been less forceful.
Unfortunately, she got hurt in the process. But if he would have let her go, she probably would have damn run out into traffic anyway.
VoodooVsays...*dead
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siftbotsays...Awarding eric3579 with one Power Point for fixing this video's dead embed code.
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