McCain's slogan should be "I'm just really old"

And his mascot should be Abe Simpson.

Wow. I had heard that McCain's speech was bad.

Bad doesn't begin to cover it.

Cadaveric starts to strike the right note...

Holy crap I couldn't sit through all of that. I am STUNNED that so many Americans actually consider him to be a worthy opposition, that they actually WANT him as any kind of leader. The man's smile makes me retch a little bit, his speaking is slow and cumbersome, his look that of a dazed wombat who's just been woken up.

If America votes him in over Obama, then your descent into global ridicule and scorn will continue at breakneck speed.

Now that Murdoch is behind Obama, McCain's pretty much fucked.

yeah... news has it now that Obama's camp is considering holding a series of public town-hall talks with McCain on the issues, an idea McCain's side proposed... which would really be throwing McCain a bone... because if its down to who can give the best speech and who comes out the best after 3 debates, Obama has it in the bag.

Damn, you're right spoco2. It's uncanny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJUWwSx1kE

>> ^bamdrew:
yeah... news has it now that Obama's camp is considering holding a series of public town-hall talks with McCain on the issues, an idea McCain's side proposed... which would really be throwing McCain a bone... because if its down to who can give the best speech and who comes out the best after 3 debates, Obama has it in the bag.


They've been talking about 10 of these town-hall debates, I presume that's in addition to the already scheduled 3 official presidential debates in the fall.

I'd love to see it happen, and I can't fathom the rationale behind it at the McCain campaign. The worst thing they could do is give people a chance to compare Obama and McCain side by side.

It'll be YouTube vs. Feeding Tube.

>> ^entr0py:
Damn, you're right spoco2. It's uncanny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJUWwSx1kE


Ha! I knew I was onto something Nice find

John McCain 2008: Where's My Keys?

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^bamdrew:
yeah... news has it now that Obama's camp is considering holding a series of public town-hall talks with McCain on the issues, an idea McCain's side proposed... which would really be throwing McCain a bone... because if its down to who can give the best speech and who comes out the best after 3 debates, Obama has it in the bag.

They've been talking about 10 of these town-hall debates, I presume that's in addition to the already scheduled 3 official presidential debates in the fall.
I'd love to see it happen, and I can't fathom the rationale behind it at the McCain campaign. The worst thing they could do is give people a chance to compare Obama and McCain side by side.
It'll be YouTube vs. Feeding Tube.


McCain simply may have no other choice. He's crippled by public financing and the media limelight has effectively eluded him during the over-extended Democratic primary season. This may be his only way to take center stage again. But yeah I agree, it's a fool's errand, Obama is unanimously the superior speaker and orator, he was arguably a weaker debater to Clinton but just reminiscing back to the Republican debates, McCain hardly stood out either. If nothing else, this will give Obama a chance to highlight his utter hypocrisy embodying his image as a 'maverick' and accentuate his recent about-turns on countless social and economic issues. Not to mention, for a party heavily reliant on 'values' voters, rational and meticulous policy issues are hardly going to galvanise support.

Someone should induce some cardiac problems in McCain. At least it could provoke a few signs of life.. and maybe a few changes to believe in.

Well, he's just the presumptive nominee... maybe it's not too late to just not nominate anyone?

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Weedy old man voice: That's not change we can believe in ... meheewweehhe. [hack - sputter]

Oh man, that video was awesome... I think McCain trying to jump on the change wagon is a good sign for Obama since 1) McCain is tacitly approving of the "change" concept, and 2) There's no way McCain can sell himself as "the right change"... or change at all for that matter.

I really hope the dems steamroll this election... but I still wonder if the Dark Side isn't waiting in the wings... It's the dem's election to lose, and if McCain somehow pulls it off, he will be a hero. If he loses, people will just say "He never had a chance... ... ... ... and he's old!"

the funny thing is, neo-cons are voting for McCain just because. McCain can come out in a diaper and a pacifier talkin' about "goo goo gah gah" and a lot of people would still vote for him.

There's something wrong with your system of politics when that's the case. I think that it's time for a change you can believe in.

McCain to Obama: "Give in to your anger, strike me down and your journey to the dark side will be complete..."

Of course his smile is strange and creepy! The man is 150 years old! It takes a lot of effort for him to move those atrophied jowls.

When did Mr. Burns enter the race?

"Thaaat's not chaaange we can belieeeve innnn... heh hehheh heh." Hilarious. Maybe he was off his meds?

FrankenMcCain wants your vote, and your delicious brains!

Is it just me or does McCain look like a mix of Emperor Palpatine and Mike Myers?

On a more serious note. The talking heads are being way too forgiving to McCain for that speech. The only person that put it right was the one that said that was the worst speech he had ever heard, which was closer to the truth.

That was WAY too enjoyable. =)

I'd vote for a skeleton before a g_dd_mned marxist. And will.

Skele-tor. You'd vote for Skeletor.....

>> ^quantumushroom:
I'd vote for a skeleton before a g_dd_mned marxist. And will.


If you're not going to be intelligent, please at least try to be entertaining.

John McCain 2008: Get Off My Yard!

or

John McCain 2008: No You Can't Have Your Ball Back!

Don't miss what kos has to say about McCain's teeth.

It's hi-larious.

Also, see what they have to say about slogans.

McCain: White and Pasty '08

Trying to take a more objective stance on all this from the overwhelmingly liberal point of view on this page, I find it aggravating that -again- the media is concentrating -entirely- on anything -but- the issues themselves. I can, for myself, see whether Obama or McCain is a better orator. I don't need the media to tell me that. What I do need is them to be fact checking the -content- of the speech, which is something I can't necessarily do while they are giving the speech.

For the love of crap, regardless who's on the stiff end of the stick, be it the Democrat or the Republican, or Ralph Nader, I want to hear about the god-damned issues already.

I feel bad downvoting this, but it is a horribly constructed montage of clips. Talk about beating a dead horse. Horribly edited, terrifically redundant.

I agree with message, but this was not a good video.

>> ^eoe:
Trying to take a more objective stance on all this from the overwhelmingly liberal point of view on this page, I find it aggravating that -again- the media is concentrating -entirely- on anything -but- the issues themselves. I can, for myself, see whether Obama or McCain is a better orator. I don't need the media to tell me that. What I do need is them to be fact checking the -content- of the speech, which is something I can't necessarily do while they are giving the speech.
For the love of crap, regardless who's on the stiff end of the stick, be it the Democrat or the Republican, or Ralph Nader, I want to hear about the god-damned issues already.


I agree, though if you're interested in the issues, you shouldn't be listening to a campaign speech from the candidate. You should look at their website, and then read the online critiques of the candidate/policy from a source you trust.

For God's sake, don't take the candidate, or TV media's word for it.

I actually feel sorry for McCain now, he seems like a poor distressed animal when he speaks, I just want to go over and pet him and find him some lovely caring owners.

Mccain is just plain old with old thinking.

^yea but he was stud back in his day

He was also #894 of 899 at the Naval Academy... not that bright.

Also seems to be coming out with some jawdropping misstatements, then acting like the conviction with which he states things makes them true. A trait he shares with his buddy George W.

Well these are all important arguments, because as recent history proves, Bush's speaking difficulties cost him his presidential campaign against John Kerry (described as the "greatest debater since Cicero").

As an Obama supporter, I'm encouraged by how overwhelmingly well received Sen. Obama's June 3rd speech has been when contrasted to Sen. McCain's speech.

However, I'm weary about some of the over-confidence I've been hearing. Sure, Obama is hands down the better speaker, indeed he is leading marginally in current national polls, and yes we've seen many new voters registering, but presidential elections are all about one magic number...That number is 270, the minimum number of electoral votes needed to win on November 4th. Sen. McCain has a distinct advantage when we look at current individual state poll numbers and voting patterns from the 2000 and 2004 in the key battleground states.

For all of the hopeful discussion about putting new states into play, presently we're still looking at a similar set of red vs. blue states. While there's still time for things to change, the states of FL, OH, and PA are all well within McCain's 'win' column. The path to the White House effectively requires at least two of those three states given the realities of the red/blue divide. Further, some polls are suggesting that 12% of Democrats intend to crossover to vote for McCain. That's more than the 8% that voted for Bush in 2004.

Personally, I think that making fun of McCain's age at every turn might well be perceived as arrogant and mean-spirited to millions of older voters who we do actually need in November. (My grandfather is older than McCain and is supporting Obama, but he's rightfully indignant about the rude and hurtful comments of younger Obama supporters who are so blatantly ageist.) McCain's lack of positive vision for our country, poor character, inconsistencies in his legislative career, his support for key aspects of the failed Bush administration's policies, his associations with lobbyists, so on, would make him a bad choice for president of the United States at any age.

^ Those are all valid concerns, particularly with regards to our regular participants in election fraud, Ohio and Florida.

No one should rest on their laurels by any means, but I think the more direct comparison between the candidates the better.

The more direct conversations between them on the issues of the day, the better.

McCain hasn't broken with Bush on a single issue, and doesn't have an attractive way of repackaging it, either. McCain isn't charismatic like Bush. Bush always seemed like a folksy plainspoken sorta guy (back before we knew what he really was like). McCain just seems like an angry old man.

Things like physical appearance, speech patterns, demeanor, etc. matter to more voters more than the substance it often seems.

The real war is going to be a media one, but Obama has been able to hold his own with it pretty well so far. Media wars can also be counteracted pretty effectively by a good ground game, and his has been outstanding.

There's plenty to feel good about, but there is still a lot of work to do to make sure good word about Obama gets out there, and we dispel the Republican myths.

Well, that's the sort of change I DO believe in.

McCain Foreign Policy:

"you kids git offa mah lawn!"

McCain told a giant lie: "obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate".

There are TWENTY senators with higher scorecard ratings from the ACLU than Barack Obama.

"you kids git offa mah lawn or i'll shoot you full of lead!"

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