Don't make me accept reality!!

He is not always right, but he always says what he thinks is the truth. Great sift. He is so tea party they can't handle it.

Lol @ American Exceptionalism.

Now this I will willing vote for! I wonder what the logic is for when Muslims blow up other Muslims that aren't American? What is the party line idea when Muslims kill each other in the name of things other than freedom, and McDonald's?

Is it strange that I literally saw diarrhea coming out of Santorum's mouth and not actual words?

It was pure Santorum coming out of his mouth...
>> ^littledragon_79:

Is it strange that I literally saw diarrhea coming out of Santorum's mouth and not actual words?

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

Now this I will willing vote for! I wonder what the logic is for when Muslims blow up other Muslims that aren't American? What is the party line idea when Muslims kill each other in the name of things other than freedom, and McDonald's?


They hate themselves for their freedom to blow themselves up for their freedom to blow themselves up for...

America pokes at wasp nest with stick and becomes thoroughly indignant after getting stung.
The wasps must hate them for their cheap long distance phone plan.

truth can be so inconvenient

>> ^gwiz665:

It was pure Santorum coming out of his mouth...
>> ^littledragon_79:
Is it strange that I literally saw diarrhea coming out of Santorum's mouth and not actual words?



Hey, watch your language... there are kids here!

That wasn't a 'boo' from the audience. That was the sound of Ron Paul's incredibly slim chance of ever being president evaporating in an instant.

Being right is irrelevant to these people. They're spoiled children who want to be told how wonderful they are. Disrupt that myth at your peril.

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

That wasn't a 'boo' from the audience. That was the sound of Ron Paul's incredibly slim chance of ever being president evaporating in an instant.
Being right is irrelevant to these people. They're spoiled children who want to be told how wonderful they are. Disrupt that myth at your peril.


Actually, they were saying "Boo-urns!"

http://videosift.com/video/Boo-urns

Wolf must've got the signal in his ear to cut Ron off.

"They kill us because we're American and we stand for freedom!"

The verbal equivalent of whipping it out and whacking off in front of everyone. Such a freaking wank statement

@NetRunner

Shouldn't there be greater standards of accuracy in video titles? Nobody said anything about blaming all Muslims.

The issue under discussion was whether or not the US was "attacked because of our actions," and that was the argument that the audience booed.

*controversy

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oh god I can't watch this...I gotta go...I gotta go lie down now.

If the US pulls out like Paul wants, you'd put a lot of honest, hard-working American billionaires out of a job.

^ I'll see you in the angry dome...

>> ^chilaxe:

Shouldn't there be greater standards of accuracy in video titles? Nobody said anything about blaming all Muslims.
The issue under discussion was whether or not the US was "attacked because of our actions," and that was the argument that the audience booed.


I basically just copied the original title from Youtube, and chopped/simplified it to make it fit into Videosift's tiny 60-character title limit.

Santorum said "the entire civilization of the Jihadists", and Paul's reply started with "This idea that the entire Muslim world is attacking us..."

You're probably right that they were mostly booing the idea that Al Qaeda might've had legitimate grievances against us though.

@NetRunner

Being a spreader of inaccuracy doesn't bother you enough to change it, though?

I admit, most sifters aren't aware enough to notice they were promised one thing and they got another, but, in theory, it's better anyway to be on the side of intellectual accuracy.

@NetRunner

Also, you have to admit the humor of the commenters above criticizing the GOP audience for disliking truthful statements, while they themselves are opposing accuracy

Nice one, Ron Paul!

In the last few days we've gotten a real good look at how hardcore right the Tea-Party is. Blame all Muslims for 9/11! Capital Punishment? The more the merrier! Letting sick people without health insurance just die already? Yay! To think that any candidate who believes those same things has a chance in hell in a real election is truly funny.

American Exceptionalism indeed!

>> ^chilaxe:

Being a spreader of inaccuracy doesn't bother you enough to change it, though?

I guess I feel like you're splitting hairs. What do you want the title to say?

>> ^chilaxe:

Also, you have to admit the humor of the commenters above criticizing the GOP audience for disliking truthful statements, while they themselves are opposing accuracy


The only commenter here who could arguably be accused of that is me, and I wasn't the one who said this was about booing the truth. To me it was about Ron Paul saying something morally righteous, and getting booed by a bunch of Tea Party savages.

So they booed a couple seconds after the phrase "don't blame all Muslims" when he got to the "here's why you shouldn't blame all Muslims" phase of the argument. Maybe it was just that what he said wounded their sensitive pride, but their sensitive pride wouldn't be an issue worthy of note if it didn't lead them to demonize Muslims as "hating us for our freedom."

I'd be happy to change the title to "Ron Paul: Muslims aren't monsters who hate freedom, they're people just like you and me; you'd be mad too if they did to us what we did to them! / Tea Party: BOOOOOO!" but I don't think it'll fit, even if I take off the extra O's.

@NetRunner

An accurate title would reflect what they were actually debating, not minor points delivered along the way that could be removed without anyone noticing. The debate was: Were we attacked because of our actions?

If Ron Paul had said: "This is the 21st century and government doesn't have any business regulating women's reproductive choices" and the audience booed, it wouldn't be accurate to title the video: "Ron Paul: This is the 21st century; Tea Party: Boooo"


All the above commenters who are supporting and enabling the spread of an inaccurate video without watching it closely can reasonably be regarded as supporting inaccuracy. In Xaielao's comment immediately preceding yours, he even quotes the inaccurate title approvingly.

This is why our undergraduate professors encouraged us (to no avail) to read skeptically and deconstruct media instead of accepting it without question.

9/11 was just bait for stupidity




hook line and sinker!

Ron Paul is a fool if he thinks there's anything that can be done to appease muslim savages. Even if all the mohammedans vanished tomorrow, there's still the matter of 1.5 billion Red Chinese looking to take over the globe. It's a dangerous world, and the command chair is no place for clueless kenyawaiians with a grudge against America, a grudge almost as large as the one carried by puddin'heads here at bolsheviksift.

>> ^chilaxe:

An accurate title would reflect what they were actually debating, not minor points delivered along the way that could be removed without anyone noticing.

Really, who gets blamed is an incidental point?

What would you want it titled? I'm curious.

@NetRunner

I would use one of the following titles in order to accurately reflect what the booing sessions in the video were about.

• Ron Paul: 9/11 wasn't b/c they hate our freedom; GOP: BOOOO!
• Ron Paul: 9/11 was b/c of US foreign policy; Tea Party: BOO!

The "all Muslims" side-point plays an almost non-existent role in this video clip. Santorum even uses the word "Jihadists" instead of "Muslims" in order to avoid condemning all Muslims.

@chilaxe, ahh, so your issue is that you don't like the bigotry of the Tea Party being put front and center.

That's cool, but it's not an inaccuracy. Inaccuracy is saying Santorum was avoiding condemning all Muslims when he said "our civilization is antithetical to the Jihadist civilization".

What civilization is the "Jihadist" civilization? Is it not the same as the Muslim civilization? If he meant to say it's just a band of extremists operating outside the mainstream, why frame it as some clash of civilizations?

Paul understood the subtext, and pushed back on it.

Yes, the overall exchange was ostensibly about the general platform for the demonization of Muslims -- they hate us for our freedom and all that -- but people who listened to their undergraduate professors' encouragement to read skeptically and deconstruct media instead of accepting it without question saw that underlying theme, and wanted to try to highlight and expose it.

That's why I don't see your complaint about the title as a question of factual accuracy, so much as a disagreement with me over what the lede is. You'd prefer this particular lede be buried.

You're right about there being a timing problem with the title's current call/answer format. How about "Ron Paul Booed by Tea Party for Defending Muslims"?

This whole "they hate us because of our freedom!" thing is fucking retarded. If they attacked us because of that, why hasn't Germany, Canada, Switzerland, Poland, Iceland, Greenland et. al. been attacked like we have? Oh, it's because they're not sticking their collective noses in other nation's business? ...... okay.

>> ^Payback:

If the US pulls out like Paul wants, you'd put a lot of honest, hard-working American billionaires out of a job.


Honest, hard-working, LOL



I think you forgot to check the "sarcasm" box.

Game, set, match. >> ^gwiz665:

It was pure Santorum coming out of his mouth...
>> ^littledragon_79:
Is it strange that I literally saw diarrhea coming out of Santorum's mouth and not actual words?

@NetRunner

If you remove Ron Paul's phrase "all muslims," the audience will still boo for his same 2 points in this video. (Both points they boo at are that 'the US was attacked because of its actions').

Most journalists and academics would probably advocate titling media to reflect the 2 points that he got booed for even if other titles would earn more points among simplistic tribalists.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

This whole "they hate us because of our freedom!" thing is fucking retarded. If they attacked us because of that, why hasn't Germany, Canada, Switzerland, Poland, Iceland, Greenland et. al. been attacked like we have? Oh, it's because they're not sticking their collective noses in other nation's business? ...... okay.


*ehem* well, I guess because every single country you named grants their citizens equal or more freedom than the US of A.
That aside, I agree with you, if this stupid soundbite was true than at least North Korea would be the one constantly attacking the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm

When Ron Paul talks about Al Qaeda being explicit with their reasons for attacking the US, this is probably what he is talking about.

"Oh American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its causes, and results.

Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have proud souls, like the souls of the 19 people [killed while perpetrating the 11 September 2001 attacks], may God have mercy on them.

We fought you because we are free and do not accept injustice. We want to restore freedom to our nation. Just as you waste our security, we will waste your security.

I am amazed at you. Although almost four years have passed since the [11 September] incidents, Bush is still practising distortion and confusion.

He also continues to conceal from you the real reason [for the 11 September attacks]. Thus, the motives still exist for repeating what happened.

I will speak to you about the reasons behind these incidents. I will honestly tell you about the minutes in which the decision was made so that you will consider. I say to you that God knows that the idea of striking the towers never occurred to us.

But, after things had gone too far and we saw the injustice of the US-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I started thinking of that.

The events that influenced me directly trace back to 1982 and subsequent events when the United States gave permission to the Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the aid of the sixth US fleet.

At those difficult moments, many meanings that are hard to describe went on in my mind. However, these meanings produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and generated a strong determination to punish the unjust ones.

While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States so that it would feel some of what we felt and to be deterred from killing our children and women... "

double post, sorry. weird browser issues..

Our foreign policy is too screwed up. This CBS News story talks about how a huge number of Christian Americans (70 million?) feel they are compelled by God and the Bible to support Israel against all of its enemies. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml

I wish all support for Israel was dropped by the US. If private citizens want to fund Israel's defense, then go ahead. But they should be required to publically declare any support they have for Israel so that any terrorists can specifically target them, and not blast us in their collateral damage causing attacks. Right now Americans are being threatened by people such as Al Qaeda forces because the whole of the American country is defending this minority faction of Americans who are die-hard Israel supporters.

Why do we all need to protect these pro-Israel people??? Let them fend for themselves. That's their belief system when it comes to everything in the world. Everyone must be self-reliant, free market, and so forth. But when it comes to defending Israel, they want all 300 million Americans to support it, and will take our tax money to do it. They are hypocrites!

I respect a man with big balls. Ron Paul has great big balls worthy of my worship. *promote.

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