I say a lot of bad things about police. I am a police hater even when many people say the opposite, but this... I don't know how this can be justified in anyone's eyes.

only way i could see this being justified is if this dog had just attacked someone, and was going to be put down anyways. from things i've read, a bullet to the brain can be a lot better than how some shelters put dogs down (heart sticking, etc).

side note:
at an apartment complex i lived at years ago, one of the trashier neighbors for some reason was keeping a "friend's" pit bull (while i like pit bulls, they were not allowed in the complex) and they had it out in the complex off leash and it attacked a small dog. the small dog owner didn't speak english, and the pit bull caretaker was screaming "someone get a knife, we gotta kill it!". it was all kinds of fucked up....
eventually the dog let go, and was put down the next day.

http://www.hannibal.net/news/x1600620381/LaGrange-dog-owner-vows-to-fight-for-law-changes

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It seems to me that the officers were not exactly happy at having to do this. They ensured the video was properly frame to illustrate their attempts at restraining the dog. The shots were fired in a strict, measured fashion and you can even see by the officer's body language...his agitated withdrawal from the animal's body, the slamming of the tailgate, etc...that he was shaken by the act.

Can't really comment on the situation that lead up to this having to go down. Arguments abound on for and against, but I can't really admonish these two individuals for doing what they did.

>> ^ToKeyMonsTeR:

I say a lot of bad things about police. I am a police hater even when many people say the opposite, but this... I don't know how this can be justified in anyone's eyes.


You're not thinking hard enough then. Going straight into knee-jerk reactionary mode, especially without having any modicum of background information on this incident makes this post seem like a rather opaque, overeager attempt to demonize the police based on some preexisting desire to support a conclusion you've already arrived at (in this case); your history on this matter doesn't help though either.

Trust me, I'm no fan of crooked cops (or anyone who abuses power or oppresses the powerless). What they did could be actually wrong, but you've provided no support for it. The video description is factual at best and disingenuous at worst. The rational, responsible thing to do would be to not make any judgment calls at all in situations where it's not particularly evident until more information surfaces. At least that's how I go about these things.

I hope this doesn't come off as overly nitpickish.

It doesn't come off as nitpickish and I thank you for your rational response. But if you click on the video and go to the first youtube video part 1 of 2, I don't see how the dog was being life threatening, which would be the requirement to use lethal force I imagine, and I didn't read in my above link how the dog was a threat other than growling at passerby's.

With my limited knowledge of policing and law I come to the conclusion that animal control should be called if there was a an uncontrollable animal/threatening to the community and I don't see any justification under any circumstances this video or any previous event would show that this animal needed to be shot while being restrained on a pole and while it was posing no immediate threat.

I had a different title when I first posted this video and it seemed to me more biased so i changed it, but if you conclude that that is still the case feel free to tell me to change it. I actually ended up just copy/pasting the title from reddit as mine seemed too emotional at first so I ended up changing it.


>> ^AnimalsForCrackers:

>> ^ToKeyMonsTeR:
I say a lot of bad things about police. I am a police hater even when many people say the opposite, but this... I don't know how this can be justified in anyone's eyes.

You're not thinking hard enough then. Going straight into knee-jerk reactionary mode, especially without having any modicum of background information on this incident makes this post seem like a rather opaque, overeager attempt to demonize the police based on some preexisting desire to support a conclusion you've already arrived at (in this case); your history on this matter doesn't help though either.
Trust me, I'm no fan of crooked cops (or anyone who abuses power or oppresses the powerless). What they did could be actually wrong, but you've provided no support for it. The video description is factual at best and disingenuous at worst. The rational, responsible thing to do would be to not make any judgment calls at all in situations where it's not particularly evident until more information surfaces. At least that's how I go about these things.
I hope this doesn't come off as overly nitpickish.

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I can't really demonize the cops in this situation. It's not like they lost their cool and shot the dog in the heat of the moment or anything. They made a decision and it was done. That said...there has to be a better way to take down an animal. Why were the cops doing this in the first place? Where was animal control?

Problem could of been solved with some bacon and doggy treats; most problems can be solved with bacon.

What a tragedy, that looked like a nice dog.

I have a pitbull, he truly is a baby. I cuddle with him all the time.

Once, I was in my front yard teaching him to lay down and stay. There was a nice amount of distraction on the street of people walking by. This one kid is walking by, and literally he stops at one point at starts staring at the dog, literally staring at him for like 15 seconds. Well, my dog kept glancing at the kid and back at me, he was ready to bolt but I didn't catch it in time, and he took off after the kid. The kid panicked and raced right into the street, both of them almost got hit by cars. And just then the police were turning the corner and pretty much caught the whole thing. The kid was bawling his eyes out. I got a ticket and a stern lecture from a dumb fat bitch cop.

Whats my point? Well. It's a given that I fucked up my letting my dog off his leash like that. But, I really wish there would be some amount of responsibility on the kid, or his parents for being so ignorant. First of all, you don't fucking stop and stare directly for 20 seconds at a dog if you're scared of dogs. Second, if you're scared of a dog, don't start running as soon as he comes up to you.

This is tl:dr but w/e... The other day I was in a field with my dog, I saw another person with a dog far away so I leashed my dog. I continue walking towards the person, its an old lady with some kind of husky/lab mix. She was trying to leash her dog but couldn't as she was way too old lol. She was all out of breath n' shit. So after watching her get frustrated with a couple failed attempts I offered to leash her dog. I went at the dog pretty hesitantly, because, well, it IS a strange dog lol. But when she saw how hesitant i wish she shook her head and rolled her eyes telling me the dog's really not aggressive. So I just went at the dog and leashed her. No big deal.

tl;dr People are pussies and should stop fucking being afraid of every dog they see and parents should educate their children on how to deal with dogs. Those cops are a buncha fucking pussies, they should've just called the dog over and fucking leashed it instead of coming at it with a 6 foot pole.

So if you wear a badge you can kill when you fell like it? Sick

>> ^Matthu:

Well, my dog kept glancing at the kid and back at me, he was ready to bolt but I didn't catch it in time, and he took off after the kid. The kid panicked and raced right into the street, both of them almost got hit by cars. And just then the police were turning the corner and pretty much caught the whole thing. The kid was bawling his eyes out. I got a ticket and a stern lecture from a dumb fat bitch cop.
Whats my point? Well. It's a given that I fucked up my letting my dog off his leash like that. But, I really wish there would be some amount of responsibility on the kid, or his parents for being so ignorant.

Oh come ON! Fucking hell I can't believe that you could actually tell that story with the thought that you're in the right, or the kid is in the wrong at all.

It's NOT the kid who is ignorant in this situation, it's you. To try to say that the kid should know better than to LOOK at an animal, fucking hell. You are fully in the wrong here as YOU are the one that has chosen to own a potentially lethal animal (I'm not singling out pit bulls here, all dogs are that way, and I've had a dog, I have nothing against them), so YOU have the responsibility to keep it safe and to keep others safe from it.

If that kid's family had a dog, then YES it's the parent's job to teach it how to behave around them, how not to aggravate them etc. But to expect all kids, even those that do not have dogs, to NOT look at a scary looking dog, and to NOT run when that same scary dog bolts at them? Please. You are so very far in the wrong there. Even if a little kid IS told they shouldn't run when a scary dog is running at them, pure fear will override that in an instant.

AND then you say you were lectured by 'some dumb fat bitch cop', which aside from lacking any punctuation, also just speaks to YOU being fairly told off and deciding that she was in the wrong because YOU can't admit you almost got a kid killed.

F*cking hell. Have a long look at yourself and your ability to be able to blame others for your fuck ups.

that aint right. Just aint right. You cant justify it, not by what you see on the video. He shoots a dog because he is getting jerked around by it.. maybe because its got a flippin noose around its neck.

I dont see how anyone can be in favour of the policetards on this one.

The cop had a dog on a stick. A dog on a stick isn't dangerous because it's controllable. A cop shouldn't kill anything that isn't dangerous. The cop shouldn't have killed the dog.

The story behind this incident is pretty damned confusing. Apparently, a woman walking her daughter to the bus stop felt threatened when the dog began growling at her and her daughter. The man was fined for having his dog unleashed and unmuzzled, so the woman chained the dog up while waiting for the cops to arrive? She says she did this because she "wanted to be safe", but how does that connect with her approaching a vicious animal in order to chain it up? And the dog seems to have allowed it, which doesn't exactly paint a picture of a dog foaming at the mouth and hungering for blood...

In fact, the dog seemed pretty mild-mannered in the video, trying to run away from the strange man with a stick, and only resorting to biting at the thing around its neck. The fact that it ever came to killing seems pretty ignorant on part of everyone involved (owner included, as the dog should never have been left unleashed and to its own devices). It doesn't matter how distraught the officers may have looked at killing the dog, as it was ultimately done out of convenience. And over it all, some self-righteous mother is probably quite happy with herself for removing another menace from her block.

How can anyone who has ONLY seen this video cry "animal cruelty"? And one thing I think everyone is forgetting, as sad as it may seem and as pointless as it may seem, it's a fucking dog. It's not like they shot a baby or punched some 17 year old girl in the face. It's a fucking dog.

Clearly this is another case of needing to kill Hitler

The dog broke free of the chain off camera and was charging the officer so they decided to put it down.

The only reason I can think of why this would be necessary after on the catch poll is if they don't have an animal control dept.

Judging by Wikipedia and satellite view of the town and a search of the city website.... they might be too small to have an animal control department.

>> ^alizarin:

The dog broke free of the chain off camera and was charging the officer so they decided to put it down.
The only reason I can think of why this would be necessary after on the catch poll is if they don't have an animal control dept.
Judging by Wikipedia and satellite view of the town and a search of the city website.... they might be too small to have an animal control department.


From the article, "Howell testified that the dog growled as he tried to load it into a truck, that it later broke free from a chain tied to the vehicle and eventually charged as he tried to capture it with a six-foot catchpole."

Except, watching the video is proof of some exaggeration in his statements. At time 4:39 the dog moves off camera, and Howell follows it with the catchpole. Less than ten seconds later Howell manages to slip the catchpole over the dog's head and secure it. The dog immediately flips out, coming back onto camera with the chain still attached (until it visibly flies off at the end of his tether). The dog continuously tries to escape, alternating between blindly running, and turning to bite at the thing around its neck. There's about thirty seconds of this before the dog seems to give up, and stands still. And then, it gets shot.

So, the dog broke off the chain only as a direct result of having been noosed by the officers. She never charged directly at the officers, and she was shot only when she was visibly no longer resisting. This is quite a different picture from the impression the article gives, that the dog slipped the chain and was charging the officers when it was shot. If it had happened as they said, I'd have felt that it was unfortunate, but justifiable. But this? There had to be options left to them before shooting someone's dog to death.

-The dog didnt seem anywhere near dangerous enough to warrant being put down.
-The officers involved...wait a minute....ya just that first point.

The dogs my parents have bark and growl at people all the time when they pass by on the street. Sometimes they'll even bark at me when I pull up into the driveway until they hear my voice or I get close enough for them to recognize me. That's a big reason why a lot of people have dogs, to let them know when strangers are around whether it be by barking, growling, or running around all excited. Which by this article, two of those are acts of aggression (there's a difference between growling/barking as a warning or alert and growling/barking as imminent attack on every dog I've ever seen) and running around excited is often construed as aggressive as well...especially if your dog is fairly big. Most small dogs bark/growl and run around, and I haven't seen too videos of them being shot... Which is draws some parallels when it comes to people. Big, scary looking guys are assumed to be aggressive while small men and women are not seen in the same light when it comes to first impressions, even had lawyers address it to my brother when he was younger. He said being a big guy brought up on any kind of violence/aggressive charge means you're more likely to be punished whether you were the aggressor or not.

Unless this dog physically harmed or attempted to physically harm a person or a pet....that dog did not deserve to be shot as it was under control. Barking and growling is just a warning that your ass needs to stay off that dogs property...and most dogs have a pretty good sense of where their territory ends when it comes to households.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^Matthu:
Well, my dog kept glancing at the kid and back at me, he was ready to bolt but I didn't catch it in time, and he took off after the kid. The kid panicked and raced right into the street, both of them almost got hit by cars. And just then the police were turning the corner and pretty much caught the whole thing. The kid was bawling his eyes out. I got a ticket and a stern lecture from a dumb fat bitch cop.
Whats my point? Well. It's a given that I fucked up my letting my dog off his leash like that. But, I really wish there would be some amount of responsibility on the kid, or his parents for being so ignorant.
Oh come ON! Fucking hell I can't believe that you could actually tell that story with the thought that you're in the right, or the kid is in the wrong at all.
It's NOT the kid who is ignorant in this situation, it's you. To try to say that the kid should know better than to LOOK at an animal, fucking hell. You are fully in the wrong here as YOU are the one that has chosen to own a potentially lethal animal (I'm not singling out pit bulls here, all dogs are that way, and I've had a dog, I have nothing against them), so YOU have the responsibility to keep it safe and to keep others safe from it.
If that kid's family had a dog, then YES it's the parent's job to teach it how to behave around them, how not to aggravate them etc. But to expect all kids, even those that do not have dogs, to NOT look at a scary looking dog, and to NOT run when that same scary dog bolts at them? Please. You are so very far in the wrong there. Even if a little kid IS told they shouldn't run when a scary dog is running at them, pure fear will override that in an instant.
AND then you say you were lectured by 'some dumb fat bitch cop', which aside from lacking any punctuation, also just speaks to YOU being fairly told off and deciding that she was in the wrong because YOU can't admit you almost got a kid killed.
F cking hell. Have a long look at yourself and your ability to be able to blame others for your fuck ups.


I didn't say the kid looked at my dog. I said he STARED at my dog for well over 30 seconds without moving just staring right at him.

Do people normally stare intensely at things that cause them pure fear? I don't. I keep walking and mind my business.

The kid is ignorant as to how to deal with dogs. Whether or not he or his family owns dogs is irrelevant. I learned, from reading, when I was a young kid, how to escape an alligator(Run in a zig zag). I live in Canada so I'm unlikely to be meet an alligator. Kids should at least be educated in how to deal with dogs.

Furthermore, I already said that I screwed up by letting the dog off the leash. My point in telling the story is people should be educated in how to deal with dogs. At least as educated in how to deal with dogs as Canadians are with how to deal with alligators.

And I called the cop a fat, dumb, bitch because she threatened to shoot my dog, when I already had his leash in my hands, because he was excited and wanted to greet her. Also, she was at least 220 lbs and like 5'6 so yeah she was a dumb, fat bitch.

I should have ran away with my dog lol she would never have caught me. Literally 220 lb. female cop. Not 220 lbs of muscle either. She had no business being a cop.