I don't get it - why the sidewalk? If you want to break the law, just drive past the bus. This reminds me of those dipshits that, to go through a red light, take a right turn, drive over the line, then take another right turn. Like that's any less illegal than just running the right light to begin with.

>> ^PoweredBySoy:

I don't get it - why the sidewalk? If you want to break the law, just drive past the bus. This reminds me of those dipshits that, to go through a red light, take a right turn, drive over the line, then take another right turn. Like that's any less illegal than just running the right light to begin with.


You can't drive by the bus.

All of the buses now come equipped with Camera's that are armed as soon as the stop sign comes out. So when you drive by the bus it photographs your plates. At the end of each day the police download the information from the camera's and send out tickets.

In the state of NJ I Believe it's an 8 point ticket to do this (which is 1 or 2 points away from basically having your license suspended.)

This person unless she can pay the $500 moving violation is now facing having (upwards of) at least $8,000/yr in insurance. I know this because a family member has 8 or 9 points and at that point nobody will insure you so you have to buy insurance through the state. So hopefully she won't lose her home or apartment or job if she can't afford insurance anymore.

I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.

>> ^Darkhand:

>> ^PoweredBySoy:
I don't get it - why the sidewalk? If you want to break the law, just drive past the bus. This reminds me of those dipshits that, to go through a red light, take a right turn, drive over the line, then take another right turn. Like that's any less illegal than just running the right light to begin with.

You can't drive by the bus.
All of the buses now come equipped with Camera's that are armed as soon as the stop sign comes out. So when you drive by the bus it photographs your plates. At the end of each day the police download the information from the camera's and send out tickets.
In the state of NJ I Believe it's an 8 point ticket to do this (which is 1 or 2 points away from basically having your license suspended.)
This person unless she can pay the $500 moving violation is now facing having (upwards of) at least $8,000/yr in insurance. I know this because a family member has 8 or 9 points and at that point nobody will insure you so you have to buy insurance through the state. So hopefully she won't lose her home or apartment or job if she can't afford insurance anymore.
I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.


If you don't like sitting behind the bus, then you take a different street. Not make the system more complicated by saying "on this street you can pass the bus, but on this street you can't". Now *that* would be ludicrous.

This happened to me the other day, i was a pedestrian and some jackass nearly ran me down...I guess he didn't see the cop right behind him.

I'm not saying lets make rules street by street. But a simple common sense rule of "If there is no housing or children standing on one side of the road you can pass on that side."

People forget there was an era of time when you didn't HAVE to yield to the school bus if it was on the opposite side of the road. Our super protective society is really just annoying more than anything.

>> ^probie:

>> ^Darkhand:
>> ^PoweredBySoy:
I don't get it - why the sidewalk? If you want to break the law, just drive past the bus. This reminds me of those dipshits that, to go through a red light, take a right turn, drive over the line, then take another right turn. Like that's any less illegal than just running the right light to begin with.

You can't drive by the bus.
All of the buses now come equipped with Camera's that are armed as soon as the stop sign comes out. So when you drive by the bus it photographs your plates. At the end of each day the police download the information from the camera's and send out tickets.
In the state of NJ I Believe it's an 8 point ticket to do this (which is 1 or 2 points away from basically having your license suspended.)
This person unless she can pay the $500 moving violation is now facing having (upwards of) at least $8,000/yr in insurance. I know this because a family member has 8 or 9 points and at that point nobody will insure you so you have to buy insurance through the state. So hopefully she won't lose her home or apartment or job if she can't afford insurance anymore.
I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.

If you don't like sitting behind the bus, then you take a different street. Not make the system more complicated by saying "on this street you can pass the bus, but on this street you can't". Now that would be ludicrous.

http://videosift.com/video/Woman-Drives-on-Sidewalk-to-Pass-School-Bus

Agree 100% @Darkhand. This is a new one to me, in my country it's legal. I don't see why this is a justifiable law - surely the onus is to be put on the child for its own best interests in its future road endeavours. Traffic coming the other way, cyclists.. roads = danger, that was drilled into me since birth.

Uh, it's called "children are erratic dumbasses"... just because they don't live on that side of the street doesn't mean they won't run out into the street. Also, just because their house is on one side, it doesn't mean they're going home immediately after getting off the bus. They could run to the local kwik-e-mart on the other side of the street. Kids are in a world of their own and aren't necessarily always paying attention to what's going on around them. Good luck using that "there are no houses on that side of the street" defense in court.
>> ^Darkhand:

I'm not saying lets make rules street by street. But a simple common sense rule of "If there is no housing or children standing on one side of the road you can pass on that side."
People forget there was an era of time when you didn't HAVE to yield to the school bus if it was on the opposite side of the road. Our super protective society is really just annoying more than anything.

What court would this be being tried at? Kids today are growing up dumber and dumber and it's not because of the lack of education it's the lack of common sense. There are less and less ways to hurt and maim yourself as a child so kids aren't learning any practical lessons.

I grew up with Metal Toys! GASP Metal Toys?! How did I not spear myself or get some sort of horrible wound or injury. Because I wasn't a fucking moron? As a child I _NEVER_ had the sudden urge to run screaming into the road for no apparent reason.

Two Main Points

#1. there's no reason you can't slow down and pass the bus. The stop sign should be replaced with a slow sign and it would accomplish the same thing.

#2. I've been behind a lot of these bus drivers before and when they pull over for these special needs kids they flip that stop sign out and I've been sitting there stopped for 5 minutes when the kid isn't even outside yet. There are some bus drivers the respect the people on the road and let them pass and then once the kid is actually outside and coming to the bus they flip the stop sign on. But there are other drivers that as soon as they pull over it's just "STOP".

In my town they have DOUBLED the amount of no turn on red signs. Why? because of other peoples mistakes! All we are doing is balancing our society to help the lowest common denominator and it grinds my gears.

>> ^schlub:

Uh, it's called "children are erratic dumbasses"... just because they don't live on that side of the street doesn't mean they won't run out into the street. Also, just because their house is on one side, it doesn't mean they're going home immediately after getting off the bus. They could run to the local kwik-e-mart on the other side of the street. Kids are in a world of their own and aren't necessarily always paying attention to what's going on around them. Good luck using that "there are no houses on that side of the street" defense in court.
>> ^Darkhand:
I'm not saying lets make rules street by street. But a simple common sense rule of "If there is no housing or children standing on one side of the road you can pass on that side."
People forget there was an era of time when you didn't HAVE to yield to the school bus if it was on the opposite side of the road. Our super protective society is really just annoying more than anything.

Is this not essentially a dupe form http://videosift.com/video/Woman-Drives-on-Sidewalk-to-Pass-School-Bus which has more details than the raw footage.

I know they are different but essentially they are the same...

I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area. This was the law when my father was driving. I have no memory of there NOT being a requirement to stop. I even remember TV ads as a child pointing this out to people. Maybe it became a Stop law when I was a little kid.

The law here is that on an undivided road, if a school bus stops and turns on its lights, all traffic in all directions must stop. If the road is divided (highway or other barrier) then the traffic on the same side as the bus must stop and the traffic on the other side must slow down. It has always been this way in my memory in the province of Alberta.

Kids are dumber these days? That statement is irrelevant because this law has always been this way and was part of driver training and was part of the driving test here. People that are violating it are in no way unaware of this law. This driver is being a selfish ass. Passing the bus AND driving on the sidewalk is just two indicators that they really shouldn't be driving at all.

>> ^CrushBug:

I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area.


I'm not sure where you are from but I live in Jersey. This law, or at least the stop signs on buses, were enacted within the past decade at most.

I didn't say kids are dumber these days. I said things like this are making our kids dumber because we're making everything so safe for them nobody learns any life lessons.

Maybe things are different in yoru Area but in my Area there are no Elementary School Buses. The younget you get on a bus is when you're headed into middle school so you are 12 years old. Someone who is 12 years old should know to look both ways before crossing and not cross in front of the bus etc etc etc.

>> ^Darkhand:

>> ^CrushBug:
I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area.

I'm not sure where you are from but I live in Jersey. This law, or at least the stop signs on buses, were enacted within the past decade at most.
I didn't say kids are dumber these days. I said things like this are making our kids dumber because we're making everything so safe for them nobody learns any life lessons.
Maybe things are different in yoru Area but in my Area there are no Elementary School Buses. The younget you get on a bus is when you're headed into middle school so you are 12 years old. Someone who is 12 years old should know to look both ways before crossing and not cross in front of the bus etc etc etc.


STOP signs on school buses are a Federal Law.... as in the entire USA.. NTSB #131 for the last 21 yrs

The stop signs may be a federal law but only recently have the penalties been increased to LUDICROUS standards.

http://www.jacksonnjonline.com/2009/10/11/passing-a-school-bus-is-against-the-law-in-new-jersey/6996/

>> ^deathcow:

>> ^Darkhand:
>> ^CrushBug:
I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area.

I'm not sure where you are from but I live in Jersey. This law, or at least the stop signs on buses, were enacted within the past decade at most.
I didn't say kids are dumber these days. I said things like this are making our kids dumber because we're making everything so safe for them nobody learns any life lessons.
Maybe things are different in yoru Area but in my Area there are no Elementary School Buses. The younget you get on a bus is when you're headed into middle school so you are 12 years old. Someone who is 12 years old should know to look both ways before crossing and not cross in front of the bus etc etc etc.

STOP signs on school buses are a Federal Law.... as in the entire USA.. NTSB #131 for the last 21 yrs

These "wait for the dang bus" laws are in place for the same reason you're not allowed to use common sense at a stoplight. When people were being trusted to use common sense, other people were getting killed.

The Nanny State protects you against yourself. This is protecting people from each other.

I would probably be the first person to say fuck the po po and nanny laws but not slowing down and driving on a side walk could very easily kill a fucking person. I am glad she got a ticket.

>> ^Darkhand:


I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.

One day when I was about 12, I was on a city bus on the way back from school. The bus stopped in what would seem a high visibility area, and a man got off. He walked in front of the bus to cross the street and was killed by a Honda.

Of course, city buses don't have stop signs or flashing lights, and maybe people are more likely to be cautious around a school bus. ...and maybe, most of the time, the bus driver knows whether a child exiting the bus is going to cross the street or not, Still, I feel just fine about waiting for the lights on a school bus to stop flashing before I pass it.

If you are consistently slowed by traffic (of any kind, including this kind), there are simple solutions that you can employ by TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF and not being an entitled douche, such as:
- Leaving earlier (ie. managing your time effectively). Seriously, you can't wait 60 seconds?
- Growing the hell up. If time is not the issue, then you might need some anger management.
- Taking a different route.
- Riding a bike. Last time I checked they don't make you stop on a bicycle.

Disagreement with the law does not automatically justify ignoring it. The world does not owe you anything. This is absolutely justice. Someone who drives like that should be encouraged to take the bus - it would teach them to take responsibility for managing their time and attitude while getting their menacing bullshit off the roads.

>> ^Darkhand:

>> ^PoweredBySoy:
I don't get it - why the sidewalk? If you want to break the law, just drive past the bus. This reminds me of those dipshits that, to go through a red light, take a right turn, drive over the line, then take another right turn. Like that's any less illegal than just running the right light to begin with.

You can't drive by the bus.
All of the buses now come equipped with Camera's that are armed as soon as the stop sign comes out. So when you drive by the bus it photographs your plates. At the end of each day the police download the information from the camera's and send out tickets.
In the state of NJ I Believe it's an 8 point ticket to do this (which is 1 or 2 points away from basically having your license suspended.)
This person unless she can pay the $500 moving violation is now facing having (upwards of) at least $8,000/yr in insurance. I know this because a family member has 8 or 9 points and at that point nobody will insure you so you have to buy insurance through the state. So hopefully she won't lose her home or apartment or job if she can't afford insurance anymore.
I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.

>> ^Sagemind:

Is this not essentially a dupe form http://videosift.com/video/Woman-Drives-on-Sidewalk-to-Pass-School-Bus which has more details than the raw footage.
I know they are different but essentially they are the same...


Hardly, the other clip, while very good, has the white guy talking all over the vid. This is the original with the original sound track. Completely legit sift.

Also, this woman thought she was smart enough to plead not guilty? Wow.

http://newsone.com/2052829/shena-hardin-cleveland-school-bus/

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^PostalBlowfish:

Disagreement with the law does not automatically justify ignoring it. The world does not owe you anything. This is absolutely justice.

I could use the same logic to argue that the world does not owe those children the right to stop for them. They won't amount to anything anyways, they can't even dodge cars.


Actually, it has been decided by that community that you do in fact owe them that. They are under no obligation to make an exception for you. If you're in their community, you're bound by their rules. Not liking the rules doesn't excuse you.

>> ^PostalBlowfish:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^PostalBlowfish:
Disagreement with the law does not automatically justify ignoring it. The world does not owe you anything. This is absolutely justice.
I could use the same logic to argue that the world does not owe those children the right to stop for them. They won't amount to anything anyways, they can't even dodge cars.

Actually, it has been decided by that community that you do in fact owe them that. They are under no obligation to make an exception for you. If you're in their community, you're bound by their rules. Not liking the rules doesn't excuse you.


Postal meet Sarcasm Button. Sarcasm Button, Postal.

She was ordered shamed by wearing a large sign that reads "Only an idiot would drive on the sidewalk to avoid a school bus."

*promote



Via NPR

Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012 10:17am PDT - promote requested by lucky760.

>> ^lucky760:

She was ordered shamed by wearing a large sign that reads "Only an idiot would drive on the sidewalk to avoid a school bus."
promote

Via NPR


Not really sure the sign has to be a dick about it. Sort of Racist as well, doubt they would do the same if this was a white man, he'd just get a ticket.

Wow I'm really surprised at some of the comments on here. Are we really in such a rush these days that we can't do a simple thing which protects children from getting killed?

It's obvious that the reason the law says you must stop each and every time regardless of circumstances is because it removes the all too human factor of poor judgement.

Yes, there will be times when it's clear that passing the bus is safe, but there will be many more times when it's not so clear, and leaving it up to people's better judgement is just asking for a disaster to happen. How many times have we been on the road and other drivers judgement or decision making was just plain horrible and wrong?

Yes with the current law, there will be times when you are stopped unnecessarily, but the alternative would simply not work, people would get careless, they would make mistakes and children would get hurt or killed. Surely protecting the lives of children in such an obvious and easy way is something we can all agree to do, even if it's sometimes annoying and unnecessary?

I only read about half way down the comments and then got frustrated.

It may not be noticeable when one child is getting "on the bus" as to why this LAW exists but the law is there for a certifiable reason.

When the Bus stops, it's main priority is to child safely. The but puts up the sign to signal, in essence, that school zones and crosswalks are in effect until all kids either get on the bus safely or make it to their destination curb.

The bus may be just picking up one child, but as you rush by, you will not see that second child, late, and running for the bus. They are kids, their only concern is making it to the bus before it leaves without them. The same goes for drop offs, as the kids go out the door and cross in front of the bus to cross the street, (this is the legal and correct way for kids to leave a bus and are instructed to do so) the sign is raised as a portable crosswalk so all kids can make it to their curb without cars mowing them down.

Just stop. Not killing children is not only good for the children, It stops you from having to live the rest of your life knowing you killed one or a bunch of school kids because you were in too much of a hurry to pick up your coffee on your way to work.

That is all.

>> ^Yogi:

Not really sure the sign has to be a dick about it. Sort of Racist as well, doubt they would do the same if this was a white man, he'd just get a ticket.


I think the sign is a great idea. As to whether it's racist, if a white guy does the same and they let him off with just the ticket, then I agree with you, but right now it's just speculation. On a side note, a sign like this is a much more effective punishment especially if the perpetrator is wealthy. A ticket, they can just shrug off, but this would actually discourage them from doing it again.