You go girl!

One quibble @cricket: this shouldn't be in the * gay channel, since she's not a lesbian (most trans are hetero; in this case she's bisexual). How 'bout replacing it with *equality?

Adding video to channels (Equality) - requested by hpqp.

Also, shameless self-promotion!

...and that's how Renee Zellweger was born

I know it's the caveman part of me, but I just couldn't accept her. Nothing to do with religion. Almost nothing to do with insecurities. Just something that smacks me in the back of the head, "NO." Friends, sure. Married a friend/family member? Whatever to each their own. Intimate relationship? Nope. It's not her, it's me.

>> ^Payback:

I know it's the caveman part of me, but I just couldn't accept her. Nothing to do with religion. Almost nothing to do with insecurities. Just something that smacks me in the back of the head, "NO." Friends, sure. Married a friend/family member? Whatever to each their own. Intimate relationship? Nope. It's not her, it's me.


Same, and I feel bad about that. There's a part of me that's just like "No Ew" and I don't like that part of me. I've kissed guys before, I don't think it's that big of a deal, I see a gay couple and go "awwww". I just don't like the idea of having sex with a transexual. It's a strange thing that I feel that way but I should be honest about it.

>> ^Payback:

I know it's the caveman part of me, but I just couldn't accept her. Nothing to do with religion. Almost nothing to do with insecurities. Just something that smacks me in the back of the head, "NO." Friends, sure. Married a friend/family member? Whatever to each their own. Intimate relationship? Nope. It's not her, it's me.


If you never knew would it ever bother you?

I hear you despite my provocative question. I was talking to a friend recently about the women she finds attractive, and I actually asked the question - would you date a woman who was previously a guy? Flat-out "No way!" was the answer, and the speed with which it was uttered took me by surprise. I pondered the question in my own time and came to a similar conclusion - I don't think I'd be comfortable dating a woman who was previously male. My only reassurance at the guilt I felt when I came to that conclusion was that what I don't know won't hurt me.

*nochannel *femme *happy *equality

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>> ^Reefie:


If you never knew would it ever bother you? <img class="smiley" src="http://cdn.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/wink.gif">
I hear you despite my provocative question. I was talking to a friend recently about the women she finds attractive, and I actually asked the question - would you date a woman who was previously a guy? Flat-out "No way!" was the answer, and the speed with which it was uttered took me by surprise. I pondered the question in my own time and came to a similar conclusion - I don't think I'd be comfortable dating a woman who was previously male. My only reassurance at the guilt I felt when I came to that conclusion was that what I don't know won't hurt me.


There are certain large things in relationships that are deal breakers. Lying about this would be one of them. WHEN it got out -and it would get out- the gentleman involved would be in a far better position to answer the questions others would put to him, even if it was a polite "fuck-you-very-much".

...and yes, it would be his right to know. Just like anything else that would be embarrassing should it become public knowledge. You can stamp your feet and say how it SHOULDN'T be, but as of right now it is.

that is some gay music

>> ^MrMark4000:

that is some gay music


"Gay" is not a word often associated with Robert Smith.

Why is it that any time this topic comes up guys have to go on about wether they'd date/fuck a TG person? Who asked you that? When you walk into a McDonalds and see the cashier behind the counter and she happens to be female do you IMMEDIATELY wonder about sticking your dick in her? Is that the be-all-end-all of your relationships with women? If so, yes, its you, its not them.

>> ^Engels:

Why is it that any time this topic comes up guys have to go on about wether they'd date/fuck a TG person? Who asked you that? When you walk into a McDonalds and see the cashier behind the counter and she happens to be female do you IMMEDIATELY wonder about sticking your dick in her? Is that the be-all-end-all of your relationships with women? If so, yes, its you, its not them.


Well, that seemed relatively uncalled for.

There was nothing in this thread about wanting "To stick a dick in 'her'" no "I'd tap that" nothing.

Infact, there's a genuine discussion going on right now where a couple people have said "I don't think I could have a relationship with her". Not "I don't think I could have a sexual relationship" just relationship. And then, those same two people actually saying "And I feel bad about it."

Basically I think the discussion is the realization that because the person is TG, they automatically associate that with the male aspect, and would think that dating that person is effectively being in a gay relationship in a weird and twisted way.

And.. as for who asked, this would be a community where, fortunately, free speech and freedom of expression are allowed, even if it wasn't asked for. That's generally how the best topics get discussed, one person says something, people either agree and add to the conversation, or disagree and a discussion rages on making the website, you know, interesting.

(oh, and for the record, it WAS asked "would you date a girl who used to be a guy")

unfortunate debate. If they are not hurting anyone one -- "let them be happy"

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Love this song.

That dude looks like a lady.

Man hands on a woman.. yuck!

>> ^Zaibach:

Man hands on a woman.. yuck!


Guess you've never been to southeast Asia, huh??

I think the difference is more noticeable without the hair and make-up. There are actual changes in the shapes of his body and how he carries himself. Amazing!

>> ^Engels:

Why is it that any time this topic comes up guys have to go on about wether they'd date/fuck a TG person? Who asked you that? When you walk into a McDonalds and see the cashier behind the counter and she happens to be female do you IMMEDIATELY wonder about sticking your dick in her? Is that the be-all-end-all of your relationships with women? If so, yes, its you, its not them.


The way attitudes get changed is to talk about things in a rational way, and not dismiss them out of hand just because your sensibilities are too... sensitive.

Watching this, I was wondering if I should risk triggering a Videosift shitstorm by saying that, despite being nearly as liberal as can be, I couldn't get romantically or physically involved with this woman. Turns out, this discussion was already being played out in a perfectly mature fashion.

As has been said, I feel bad about this but ... this is weird. I feel for this person, she must have gone through a hell of a lot (and I don't just mean the physical transformation) but there's something inside me that says this person is too male for me. I could never see them as 100% female. As @Payback (and @Engels, oddly as if making an original point), it's not her, it's me.

@Quboid Pretty sure you and I are on the same boat here.

You and I would probably be able to befriend her no problem, but a romantic relationship is off the table because in the back of our mind we're being told "That's still a man somewhere" (and no, I don't mean anything to do with genetalia) But it'd just be too close to a "gay" relationship. There's nothing wrong with people being gay or having a relationship with someone of the same sex, but that's just not for me.

>> ^Shepppard:

@Quboid Pretty sure you and I are on the same boat here.
You and I would probably be able to befriend her no problem, but a romantic relationship is off the table because in the back of our mind we're being told "That's still a man somewhere" (and no, I don't mean anything to do with genetalia) But it'd just be too close to a "gay" relationship. There's nothing wrong with people being gay or having a relationship with someone of the same sex, but that's just not for me.


Spot on.

Seems legit.

>> ^chingalera:

>> ^Zaibach:
Man hands on a woman.. yuck!

Guess you've never been to southeast Asia, huh??

I have. Man hands should be the least of his worries.

You guys seem to miss my point entirely. Maybe I was too crude with my first comment but the question still stands : why do romantic feelings even come up?!!?!

>> ^Engels:

You guys seem to miss my point entirely. Maybe I was too crude with my first comment but the question still stands : why do romantic feelings even come up?!!?!


The video is about gender, I don't think wondering about 'relationship stuff' is much of a jump. Especially as sexuality is strongly suggested; I was thinking about why someone would want to do this and I presumed he was gay although I know this isn't necessarily the case.

I think I see where you're coming from. I dislike videos with titles like "hot girl has hula hoop skills" because, while videos featuring under-dressed young ladies can certainly be perfectly enjoyable, mindless references to her appearance in the title or "I'd hula her hoop if you know what I mean" type comments are annoying. But this isn't one of these videos and there hasn't been comments like that.

Gotta admit it's always a little crazy to see a discussion about my video (yeah, I'm the person in it) taking place on other websites ya'll be nice now!

>> ^nashvillain:

Gotta admit it's always a little crazy to see a discussion about my video (yeah, I'm the person in it) taking place on other websites ya'll be nice now!


Dear god they're tracking us now.

Quick! Everybody look busy!

>> ^nashvillain:

Gotta admit it's always a little crazy to see a discussion about my video (yeah, I'm the person in it) taking place on other websites ya'll be nice now!


Oh, this is awkward. Also, it's a virtually unique opportunity as I spoke unguarded earlier, without thinking that the subject would ever know.

How does comments like mine make you feel? Are they upsetting? Understandable? Both?

Oh and btw, you look like Sarah Chalke. I'm not trying to make any point here, just sayin'.

Well, I get that dating a trans person isn't for everyone - but for me that's more of an issue around reproduction issues (I want biological kids) than anything else. I could also see myself avoiding dating a non-passable person - but that seems more an issue around aesthetics than anything else.

Anyway, when it comes to dating trans people, saying you couldn't because of their past kind of suggests that regardless of what else you say, you don't really see trans people as their true gender (because you'd still see me as a man or 'too masculine') despite the fact that I don't really look, smell, or act like one (and in another year or so, you'd actually NEVER know unless I told you - which I would, eventually, but yeah).

So to answer your question - I understand that people wouldn't want to date a trans person but I don't always like the rationale that some people use.

>> ^Quboid:

>> ^nashvillain:
Gotta admit it's always a little crazy to see a discussion about my video (yeah, I'm the person in it) taking place on other websites ya'll be nice now!

Oh, this is awkward. Also, it's a virtually unique opportunity as I spoke unguarded earlier, without thinking that the subject would ever know.
How does comments like mine make you feel? Are they upsetting? Understandable? Both?
Oh and btw, you look like Sarah Chalke. I'm not trying to make any point here, just sayin'.

>> ^nashvillain:
Gotta admit it's always a little crazy to see a discussion about my video (yeah, I'm the person in it) taking place on other websites ya'll be nice now!


Welcome to the Sift! No matter how you might have taken my previous comments, I am humbled by your courage. I do wish you well.


PS. Please note that with any online social network, we have our resident trolls as well. Just try to remember 90% of us aren't.

Most of the time sex=gender. Hell, our pronouns are describing somebody's gender, but we base our use of them on their sex. I know that what looks male isn't necessarily male, but experience has overwhelmingly indicated otherwise and the language I use every day reinforces it. When I watch this video I see a guy becoming a girl, even though I know its girl all along. Similarly its hard to banish the thought that you used to be a guy even though I know thats not how it works. I feel bad that I think that way, although I'm not really sure if it would be a deal breaker tbh.

Anyway, I hope you're a happier person now. I can't imagine its much fun to be in the wrong body.
>> ^nashvillain:

Well, I get that dating a trans person isn't for everyone - but for me that's more of an issue around reproduction issues (I want biological kids) than anything else. I could also see myself avoiding dating a non-passable person - but that seems more an issue around aesthetics than anything else.
Anyway, when it comes to dating trans people, saying you couldn't because of their past kind of suggests that regardless of what else you say, you don't really see trans people as their true gender (because you'd still see me as a man or 'too masculine') despite the fact that I don't really look, smell, or act like one (and in another year or so, you'd actually NEVER know unless I told you - which I would, eventually, but yeah).
So to answer your question - I understand that people wouldn't want to date a trans person but I don't always like the rationale that some people use.
>> ^Quboid:
>> ^nashvillain:
Gotta admit it's always a little crazy to see a discussion about my video (yeah, I'm the person in it) taking place on other websites ya'll be nice now!

Oh, this is awkward. Also, it's a virtually unique opportunity as I spoke unguarded earlier, without thinking that the subject would ever know.
How does comments like mine make you feel? Are they upsetting? Understandable? Both?
Oh and btw, you look like Sarah Chalke. I'm not trying to make any point here, just sayin'.

I added a second video (a little more dramatic) before and after: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Xt0tSAzc0

if anyone is interested