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It's a good thing racism is dead, eh?

When you deal with this on a frequent basis, you get a little off-balance:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d95_1431488749

I know this video won't make it into the queue, so here it is.

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If a black man says 'n*****', does that make him a racist?

If a cop says 'n*****', does that make him a racist?

What if it's a black cop?

Do you think these cops think of their fellow black cops as 'n******'s?

Do you think these cops go into the high rent district where the artists, celebrities etc. live and think 'these n*****s'?

No. These cops are expressing their disgust with that segment of the population which are criminal who also happen to be black. Black cops think the say way.

What they say and how they express themselves come across as racist, but that doesn't make them racist.

And criticizing a black woman for having 4 kids...that woman isn't Condoleeza Rice, that's some woman who is milking the welfare system for all she can get. Cops know white women do the same thing.

Black people know that blacks who engage in antisocial, lowlife behavior aren't helping the cause. There are more blacks in middle and upperclass strata now than ever before, but there are still the poor, uneducated, criminal element that causes problems for everyone else, especially their fellow black folks stuck in the same milieu.

Well said.

And a nice video post.

Whats the old adage?

Walk a mile in their shoes.

I'm Sure you would be singing a different tune.

Nope. Sorry. You're wrong.
I lived in East Palo Alto during the time it was the most dangerous (most murders per capita) city in the US (perhaps the world, I forget). At the time it was well over 90% 'black'. It didn't make me racist.
So I have 'walked in their shoes', except for the arresting and abusing people parts. I'll NEVER sing their tune.
I was raised by a beautiful woman of color, and have known hundreds of others that were good people, so I know full well all dark skinned people are not criminal low lives. I've also known many a white person that was a piece of shit low life scumbag that I avoid at all costs. These officers should walk a few miles in my shoes and sing a different tune, not the other way around.

I agree. We should all walk a mile in these guys shoes.

Then we'd have their shoes, and we could point and laugh at the shoeless, racist, assholes.

Guys, hit the ignore button. You've never said a word that penetrated their bubbles.

The only thing I will say is just because blatantly racist jokes are said, that doesn't automatically mean someone is racist.

A friend and I will literally try to say the most god awful racist crap to each other about black people partly to make fun of racism and to just be so shockingly horrifying that it's funny. We also make horrifyingly sexist jokes, I make jokes about Canada (he lives there), and he makes 'Murica jokes. We even make horrifyingly awful "yo mamma" jokes. But the key is we absolutely positively know for a fact that neither of us believe any of it. If our chat logs only were cataloged and examined, we'd appear to be members of the KKK who regularly fornicated with each other's mothers while repeatedly demanding women make us sandwiches.

I don't know enough about the specifics of this incident if this notion is applicable or not. However, with everything going on with racial issues and policing, it's certainly amazingly tone deaf at best.

I waited tables while in college. At least half the servers were racist against black people and any other racial group that stereotypically tipped poorly, including black servers.

And I absolutely never avoided a table or gave someone poorer service because of their race, and I never had "racist banter" with people as a means to complain about them. If I ever did make any racist joke about that, it was in mocking fashion against anyone who actually acted in a racist manner.

There's no justification for racism, period. And yet, you just tried to make one.

When was the last time you lived in a poor black neighbourhood where no one would give you a job because of the colour of your fucking skin whitebread? Oh right, you don't walk a meter let alone a mile before shooting off your cockholster...

(ps. I'm white, in case you're getting bent out of shape due to my "racist against whites" slur X )

Your argument is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
But it is typical for liberals to twist facts to make their argument. I believe it called a straw man.

A racist can be any color but most vote Democrat.

Oh, I'm sorry, didn't you say to 'walk a mile in their shoes', or are you another bobknight33? I guess (as usual) your argument is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and displays a complete disconnect from reality as you twist your own argument to escape your own argument.
Your last sentence proves you have gone completely insane and have absolutely zero grasp on reality. For that reason....ignore. It's the only reasonable course of action with you.

Some people will never understand that the amount of melanin in your skin does not effect your character or intelligence.

Why do you have to say something vile just because you don't agree with him? How does that advance your argument?

Yawn, tone argument.

Bob, you are absolutely correct when you say that most racists vote Democrat.

Why do you have to say something ridiculously backwards and vile just because you don't agree with them? How does that advance your argument?

Feel free to back that up with evidence.

I mean, you claim to be a cop, you must at least have an idea what evidence is, right?

To be fair, my friends and I are extremely racist to each other in our text messages, but we are a hodge podge mix of white, black, Mexican, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Iranian, and really who cares about trying to include them all.

See, smart people gravitate towards each other regardless of race or sexual orientation because they were in honors and AP classes together, competing in academic decathlon, speech and debate, and went to the same tutoring place, hanging out not because they were cool and looked the same, but because they are intellectual gladiators; only idiots revolve their lives around a group of mammals simply because they look alike. It's truer than you think. You end up living up to other people's expectations and fail to experience the joys of your unique mind if you don't diversify your experiences. We are all prototypes for a future society anyway. White people are a conglomerate of interracial breeding. Also, it's simply genetically irresponsible NOT to mix genes with people of differing racial traits.

Why? Because all humans are niggers. It's just not common courtesy to call people niggers in public, and certainly you wouldn't call someone you don't know a nigger. Say what you will, I feel like there's an overriding logic that makes criticism of that pretty clearly crybaby bullshit. Black people have a reason to cry, and then there's white people lol; but, we are all just people so how does that not override your logic on BOTH sides of the argument? I'm above and below everything and nothing. I am the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. You might not agree but life is transitory and we'll all die and fertilize the ground.

So, in retrospect, let's continue to call friends and family niggers as we see fit, but let's not so hastily call someone we don't know a nigger; likewise, let us continue to judge ourselves as unworthy, but not judge others as such. I feel like that should make everyone do alright.

If by "irrelevant" you mean "makes Bobknight33 look like the racist shit he is", then sure...

Funny thing, you're always banging on about how the vids of bad cops (ya know, like these racist assholes) are just the tip of the iceberg and we shouldn't judge them all by the actions of the few.

But that philosophy expires dramatically when we're talking about black folk. It's okay for cops to see them all as niggers, to make awful comments about them. Also women (just for shits and giggles).

Except cops choose to be cops and get accorded power. Black people and women are born that way and are generally worse of for no better reason that whitebread racist men continue to make it that way.

Keep embarrassing yourself with your hypocrisy BK, it's not like a single person other than your circle jerk buddies actually buys the shit your peddling.

Interesting that you assume a black woman with four kids is on welfare. My mum had four kids, I wonder what you would have assumed about her?

Sure, it's what he used to plant on black guys.

I'll disagree.
Non-racists don't make racist jokes. Period. They are disturbed by racist speech, they don't play around with it with friends for fun.
Perhaps you aren't overtly racist, perhaps you consciously make an effort to not discriminate against other races. You could still be racist.
There are many levels of racism.
I think what you describe is a form of what's called 'tacit racism', where (at least publicly) you don't say racist things, but aren't disturbed by others saying them, certainly not enough to say so.
Consider....when someone makes a bad taste, but funny, racist joke in public, do you glare at them, or smile at them, or both? If you find humor in degrading other races, even in private, that's a form/level of racism...IMO. (I think most people will fall into that category of being 'slightly racist', including myself to be perfectly honest, while trying to not let that make them discriminate against others or act on that racism)
Maybe I misunderstand you, but that's how it sounded to me.

Yeah @bobknight33 you did say walk a mile...typical conservative rhetoric. Says something loud but can't back it up...like the Bucs football team. I really want to love conservatives but recently they piss on the flag, God, country and veterans. They shit on liberty they percieve as "others" despite crying like little babies.

There is far more evidence of black racial hatred than white racial hatred.

A racist is someone who thinks a particular race should be treated differently simply because of the color of their skin...that's a racist.

Most black people in the US vote democrat, and they voted for Barack simply because of the color of his skin. I don't blame them, I might have done the same thing if I were black, but that IS racist.

Also, big difference between my statement about Democrats in general compared to one poster referring to another poster's mouth as a 'cockholster'.

I thought you progressives appreciated and enjoyed gay sex and everything associated with it, instead of using it to denigrate another person.

It's just another example of how so-called compassionate leftists quite often use foul and antisocial comments against people with differing opinions.

You tell me how this is racist...

Actual racist: "Black people can't be leaders."
Obama overhears it and responds: "Yeah, f'ing Obama!"

I'm pretty sure that despite Obama "playing around with" language that could be construed as racist, what he said would not be considered racist by pretty much anyone. It would be pretty damn funny actually because clearly Obama wouldn't sincerely say that about himself, nor black people, and it also pokes fun at that racist statement by pointing out there's a black person who is President of the United States, so clearly black people can be leaders.

Change Obama to David Duke, and yeah, it's now probably racist, and it's not funny at all.

Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gHz-l40FNQ

Louis CK is saying that in response to Patrice O'Neal's factual account for the origin of a racial slur against Jewish people. Louis CK was very good friends with the late O'Neal, and he's not racist. O'Neal knew that. If you listen to the video, as soon as Louis CK starts his bit before anything that's faux-racist comes out, everyone is immediately laughing, including O'Neal, because they know he's about to insincerely say something horrifically racist to the face of a black person that had he been sincere, it would have been absolutely horrifying, but that's the point - he's absolutely not sincere. That's why it's absolutely hilarious and not racist because everybody knows Louis CK doesn't actually mean that at all.

Intent and context means a lot. When you take that context away, (other things said in that conversation, who is saying it, your knowledge about what they believe, previous conversations that might be references, etc.), the words can appear to be extremely racist, even when they're not.

How do I react when someone jokes about something that involves race? It completely depends on the context, and what I interpret the intent of it is. If I'm joking around generally with my friends like the above, and they say something like, "You know why black people smell? So blind people can hate them, too." We're in a situation we're joking, we already have had actual sincere conversations about race, I know he isn't racist, I know he actually believes that's 100% not true. How do I react? If I found the joke funny, I'd laugh because I'm taking it to mean he's making fun of what some racists believe because I know for a fact he doesn't believe that.

My father-in-law is a different story, because I know the guy, I know he's like a 5-6 on the racist scale, so I don't know if he actually believes black people generally stink or not, and generally inclined to believe he actually believes most or all black people smell. At the very least, I'm uneasy. I'm certainly not going to laugh at it. I'd probably show some kind of disapproval at the least. Completely different context because now, and here's the key, that may have been intended as an actual racist statement about black people. Once you go there, that's not funny.

So, if you consider me slightly racist because I make ironic racist statements as jokes, which I mean as mocking towards racists themselves, rock on. But you better be consistent in your outrage when someone exaggerates they're gonna kill someone when they get frustrated over something insignificant as an example. After all, that's playing around with words that are murderous and violent, so they must be a psychopath or homicidal!

Please note, that was sarcasm.

Language that COULD be construed as racist is not the same thing as language that IS racist.
Mocking someone's racism, but not using racist language in doing so, is not very racist IMO. If Obama said "yeah, that (N-word) Obama", it would be racist, even if it's said to mock racists, IMO.
If Duke said it, he would not be mocking or joking, but agreeing with the racist statement, that's quite racist.
Yeah, the CK thing was odd to me, and racist IMO, funny or not. Professional comedians get a 'pass' in certain situations like roasts or if they're just really funny, but it doesn't make their statements not racist, they are just accepted by most as comedy, which is NOT PC and may be intended to be offensive.
You said it, he said something horrifically racist. He must be some bit racist to even consider such a thing, somewhat more so to say it. Because he has 'black friends' that find it funny does not make it not racist, as I see it. Just because he doesn't mean it, doesn't mean it's not racist, nor does it mean HE's not racist.
Yes, intent and context mean a lot, but not all. If you are completely not racist, you wouldn't think to talk about blacks, Jewish, Mexicans, whites, etc. It's racist just to think of people as different races...there's really only one race, just different levels of melanin in people's skin. (EDIT: I forgot about aborigines which I've read are actually genetically different from non-aborigines, but are still not a different 'race', but are possibly a different subspecies.)
I learned it went Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species, sometimes subspecies...no 'race' in there.
I think you misunderstand and are thinking binary, as in either you're racist (and a bastard) or not (and a good person?). I'm looking at it in shades, and very few are at either end of the spectrum, most live in the middle somewhere. Most people will act like you described, and infer intent and react properly based on that. I'm saying intent is not the only measure, it's only one variable in the 'what's your racist quotient' equation.
Yes, I would consider you SLIGHTLY racist, just as I consider myself slightly racist. On a 1 to 10, we're probably both well under a 3...but almost on one is a 1...or, fortunately, a 10.
No outrage here about it at all, I'm just trying to clarify that even seemingly innocuous, not intentionally hurtful racism is racism. (Please think, if a random black person overheard you joking as you described, would they not be upset and hurt by the racism? That's kind of my point, intent may be unknown, so can't be the only defining factor.)
Did someone say they would kill someone? That's not good. People don't normally say that jokingly, but fortunately they usually don't follow through on their threats either...that said, don't say it to Obama! ;-)

I'm not thinking in binary. There's gray area.

There's no debate about the fact that virtually everyone is somewhat racist. This isn't a debate about that.

I'm saying making any joke that is related to race isn't racist every single time, just as avoiding saying anything that could be construed as racist doesn't mean you're absolved of being a racist.

A joke that is actually racist is expressing an idea or feeling of one race's superiority over another directly or indirectly through humor.

Ironically making racial statements that I absolutely don't believe is NOT racist because I'm not expressing racial superiority. I'm pointing out the idiocy of racism and poking fun at racists.

About the random black person overhearing my joking, yeah, they'd be offended. Thank you for making my point. They'd be offended precisely because they heard those words out of context.

If you saw a grown man say this to a little girl sternly:

"...go cry me a river..."

You might be inclined to think he was acting like a jerk to her. But what if you had heard....

"It's a figure of speech. If you ever for example hear someone say 'go cry me a river', they don't actually mean one person's tears can be that much water."

It's the SAME THING. That man did nothing wrong, but you heard him say 'go cry me a river' to a little girl without context, it may look bad, when it's not.

Just because someone may get offended by hearing something out of context, it is not automatically something wrong with what that person said.

Even the dreaded N-word... Are you telling me that it was wrong and racist for Mark Twain to use it in The Adventures of Huckleberry Fin?

The one thing I would agree with you is that you also have to be mindful of context before saying the joke. Those racial jokes I make? I'm not going to say those in situations where there's a high likelihood that those statements could be overheard and misinterpreted. If I wanted to tell those to a black person, I'd make REALLY sure they knew I didn't actually believe the racial statement.

And you know what? Usually, it turns out fine. I've played that Louis CK thing for a black friend of mine, but I laid down the context first that it's Patrice O'Neal, etc. And they laughed hysterically at it.

Richard Pryor is considered by most comics as being a pioneer in using comedy to shed light and provide insights into racial tensions, etc., and actually is credited by many people far beyond just comedians to have helped further the cause of fighting against racism.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5048430

His use of the N-word wasn't racist. The use of the word was communicating that he was not Bill Cosby, not that there was anything wrong with Cosby's comedy, but it was to signal that he was talking more about reality, including the rough edges especially about racial topics, and there wasn't anything wrong with that either.

The kill somebody thing. You ever seen someone say something like, "My roommate AGAIN left all the lights on! I'm gonna kill him!"? My point there is you shouldn't call the cops because you think he's homicidal.

Agree that we disagree then.
I say statements about races are racist, since they are being divisionary by race. I say not all discrimination is discrimination against the target, but all discrimination is discrimination.
'Cry me a river' is not the same thing. If I heard him say 'little girls are all worthless bitches' but he really said 'some people think little girls are all worthless bitches, but they aren't' I would still think him a jerk for saying the offensive word to a little girl. I think that's closer to the topic. When a single word is the offensive remark, not the entire statement, context means less, and certainly not all.
When Mark Twain did it, yes it was racist, intentionally so, but also reflective of reality, so not wrong of him to portray racism as it existed.
As I said, most people tolerate a low level of racism, and intent also colors their response quite a bit. Because it's tolerable, even palatable, doesn't make a statement not racist.
Pryor was hilarious, and racist as shit! As I said, I think comedians get a 'pass' for being racist (EDIT: by which I mean SAYING racist jokes, not actually being racists) if they're funny enough. You are free to disagree, but you won't convince me his humor wasn't racist, not ever. That didn't make it not funny, or make him a bad person, it made him a comedian that used racism to expose and ridicule racism, as I see it. There's nothing wrong with that, unless you need him to be completely non-racist (a 1 on my earlier scale), then it's a big problem.
I don't need that from anyone, I just wish for a reasonable, non-hateful, non discriminatory (against people) level of racism from those around me (although even that can still be harmful, I know, but people are never perfect and I don't expect them to be).
Yes, I've heard people say that they would 'kill somebody', and didn't think they meant it. I tend to try and avoid those kinds of people, or at least correct them, as the unedited excessive anger is a sign of a lack of restraint. I wouldn't think them homicidal, anymore than I expect Pryor at a militant black panther rally, but I would think of them as lacking restraint and so possibly dangerous (at least somewhat unpredictable), just as I see Pryor as somewhat racist (ever hear him riff about honkeys? Hilarious...and SO racist!)

EDIT: BTW, Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman did a great episode about racism recently where they explained how even jokes between friends not meant or taken seriously can actually still tint how your subconscious sees race...making you (and those exposed) slightly subconsciously racist a little more each time you are exposed to negative portrayals, even when you know they aren't serious or realistic portrayals. It was a great and informative episode, I highly recommend it.

We do disagree. I would suggest you're confusing racist humor with racial humor.

Racist humor means you are attempting to convey an idea about one race's superiority over another. Racial humor is topical humor that concerns race, which includes mocking racism. There's a difference.

Another example of racial humor that's not racist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

He's expressing his opinion that it's BS to tip toe around the "N-word" by using that phrase instead or others that are similar, just say it and be done with it, and that words don't mean what they traditionally mean depending on the context. He never expresses any idea that one race is better than another despite basing a bit around a racial slur.

Another favorite of mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4

The whole bit centered around Randal, the village idiot, not realizing a term was a racial slur, and suddenly realizes his grandmother was actually pretty racist. There's a litany of racial slurs in that bit, but never once was the bit expressing the idea that one race is superior to another. It even has Randal accusing Dante of being racist because Dante told him not to attempt to reclaim the racial slur against black people because he's white.

It's hilarious, racial, but NOT racist.

One last tip, if I'm frustrated, and I hyperbolically saying I'm going to kill someone, and you correct me, don't be surprised if it changes to literal*.

* That's a joke.

Well, I don't think I'm confusing them. I simply think racial humor IS racist humor. I have a quite low threshold for something to be 'racist' in my opinion, but I also say nearly everyone is somewhat racist and that doesn't make them 'bad', it makes them a flawed human, like all humans.

In my mind, racism does not have to be intentionally degrading or denigrating of a race, simply assuming there's such a thing as 'races' covers it...even if just barely. I understand you likely disagree with that assessment, which is fine. We don't have to think the same, just as others don't have to agree with either of us, and that's also fine.

It's OK, I know kung-fu, and I've survived attempted murder before. ;-)

PS, did you check out Through The Wormhole? I posted a small bit of that episode that demonstrated my earlier point quite well, I do suggest watching (under 5 min) it if you're interested in why I think as I do.

Not to beat a dead horse, but on tonight's SNL, Louis CK talked about how he is racist, but a low level racist, because he does notice that people are of different races. It was as if he had been reading our conversation.

I guess he's also slightly child molest-y?

?! Did he say that?! I missed some of it, so I really am asking. If HE said that's true, I'll take his word. What I said about his admitting he's mildly racist' above he actually said himself.

http://videosift.com/video/Louis-CK-Probably-wont-be-Invited-back-to-SNL-after-this
EDIT: Oh, I see now @heropsycho, you were just being smarmy and stupidly disingenuous...at least I hope...because if you were serious with that, you can't be very smart.
Because he talked about others being molesters doesn't make him one...because he talks about himself BEING racist, he is one.
Because you pretend your level of racism doesn't make you at all racist just makes you a liar...to yourself.