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29 Comments
blankfistsays...And police apologists in five, four, three, two...
TheSofaKingsays...I'm usually on the side of the police in these videos but not this one. This guy should be fired and charged criminally. Brutal.
longdesays...3:04 - Damn, that guy put his back into it.
newtboysays......and the cop isn't in any trouble, even for filing a false police report? What about his compatriots that helped him cover it up? Nothing? Hmmmm...
Without vigorous prosecution or this kind of abusive asshat, these kinds of videos will end up being used (I hope successfully) in court when someone (or many some ones) kills a cop in 'self defense'. They will be used as proof that citizens needed to defend themselves from being abducted by the gang of thugs that have replaced many police departments. If the 'good' cops don't treat these 'bad cops' worse than normal criminals, they should never complain when they are lumped in with them as thugs and are treated as such with the accompanying lack of respect and compliance.
Dude needs his wife/child/mother to have her face smashed while he watches, then maybe he'd get it that it's wrong.
WaterDwellersays...What a terrible thing to say, saying OTHER people than him should be brutally attacked to teach HIM a lesson. Besides, this guy probably already occasionally smashes the faces of his wife/child/mother. If anyone should get their face smashed in, it's HIM.
Dude needs his wife/child/mother to have her face smashed while he watches, then maybe he'd get it that it's wrong.
blankfistsays...And this guy:
If anyone should get their face smashed in, it's HIM.
newtboysays...Yes, you are right. It's not really what I meant. Sorry.
What I meant is that for him to actually empathize with his victims and understand the wrongness of his own actions will likely require that he is forced to witness something/someone he loves being victimized. I did not mean it should actually happen.
While I agree he needs to be punished, it's my experience that he would endure the punishment but never comprehend that he did wrong, but instead would likely convince himself he's BEING wronged by being punished for nothing. I would prefer that he also understands his wrongness, it makes it more likely he won't repeat it. I'm not sure how to go about forcing that understanding without creating more victims, which I'm NOT really suggesting.
What a terrible thing to say, saying OTHER people than him should be brutally attacked to teach HIM a lesson. Besides, this guy probably already occasionally smashes the faces of his wife/child/mother. If anyone should get their face smashed in, it's HIM.
speechlesssays...Maybe he should be strapped into a chair with his eyes held open while he watches a non-stop looping video feed of his actions until he says "I understand". I'm ok with that. But, I guess that falls under the "unusual" of "cruel and usual". Bummer.
How about he just gets arrested, tried and sent to jail like every other person would be if they smashed someone's face into pieces for no fucking reason? He will never be a cop again and so never able to repeat his crime this way, and as a former cop, I bet he learns a thing or two in jail about what it feels like to be a victim.
Yes, you are right. It's not really what I meant. Sorry.
What I meant is that for him to actually empathize with his victims and understand the wrongness of his own actions will likely require that he is forced to witness something/someone he loves being victimized. I did not mean it should actually happen.
While I agree he needs to be punished, it's my experience that he would endure the punishment but never comprehend that he did wrong, but instead would likely convince himself he's BEING wronged by being punished for nothing. I would prefer that he also understands his wrongness, it makes it more likely he won't repeat it. I'm not sure how to go about forcing that understanding without creating more victims, which I'm NOT really suggesting.
articiansays...What fucks this whole thing up even more for me, is that she parked her car knowing she was too drunk to drive, and fell asleep in it. Then she was arrested.
VoodooVsays...@blankfist, what sift have you been visiting? There has never been blanket support or hate for the cops here.
We've gone both ways depending on the situation.
Critical thinking, you should try it sometime
Paybacksays...I went into this meaning to use the sarcasm button and say something idiotic in "police apologist" rhetoric, but he pushed her so hard, she was not actually touching the ground until she hit the concrete "bed". He meant for her to hit the wall. Hard.
She's like 90lbs soaking wet, and he's a healthy 200. I don't care if she was beaking off non-stop, there is no context that puts this thug in a good light. He needs a career change, immediately.
kevingrrsays...Downvote!
Why?
He isn't a statist. He is just an idiot.
JiggaJonsonsays...@blankfist @VoodooV Speak for yourself, I always support the police nomatter what.
This bitch got what she deserved. Ask blankfist if he helped pay for it.
siftbotsays...Tags for this video have been changed from 'dui, statist idiot, face first' to 'dui, statist idiot, face first, cassandra feuerstein, officer michael hart, skokie' - edited by xxovercastxx
Quboidsays...I tend to defend the police on here, although I don't see it necessarily claiming the police actions were justified; just pointing out some things that I feel are being misrepresented in the debate.
The most common reason is because the title is misleading. Coming here, I expected yet another case of someone being arrested for DUI and escalating the situation until the officer had reason to fear for the safety of themselves or of others. The other main reason I defend authorities is because sometimes, the video only shows one side of the story and if they're to be believed then 100% of the people beaten up by cops at riots just happened to be walking by and weren't even part of it, honest.
In this case, she resisted the officer and refused to enter her cell ... for a split second. This thug needs to be at least fired for this assault and charged with making a false report when he tried to cover his ass.
I really dislike the word "apologist". It's just a pejorative word for someone who often takes the other side in an ongoing debate. If they're taking that side because they have some need to defend someone then perhaps it's appropriate but if, as is the case here, they take that side because they believe that side is right then "apologist" is just name calling.
Quboidsays...Doesn't that imply that before parking her car, she was driving drunk?
What fucks this whole thing up even more for me, is that she parked her car knowing she was too drunk to drive, and fell asleep in it. Then she was arrested.
VoodooVsays...Well I will say that the cop probably didn't intend to have woman's face smashed up, which is why he tried to cover it up.
Regardless though, that level of force is unacceptable. Yet another person who seems to forget we live in the internet age and if there is a camera, it's going to get out.
Hell, I find it odd the bench was concrete. Who approved the design of that holding area? hard edges and drunk people rarely go well together even if police brutality wasn't a factor.
I suppose it's another symptom of lowest bidder contracting
articiansays...Absolutely, but my point was that, in the world of drunk-drivers, she was attempting to be somewhat responsible. It hurts me that the universe chose to match up someone like her with that idiot excuse of a cop.
Doesn't that imply that before parking her car, she was driving drunk?
articiansays...You forgot to click to 'sarcasm' button.
@blankfist @VoodooV Speak for yourself, I always support the police nomatter what.
This bitch got what she deserved. Ask blankfist if he helped pay for it.
eric3579says...-Edit- I kinda went off topic. I agree that its a misleading title and I find that it does a disservice to the message that this cops a dick. No need to mislead or sensationalize to get the point across. Also i think the apologist comment that was made was lame.
The most common reason is because the title is misleading.
Quboidsays...Being responsible by drunk driver standards isn't much to crow about.
I get your point, there's some people who, karmically, deserve this more than her. If it was some repeat offender who was completely off their tits racing through a school district, I wouldn't feel too bad for them (which doesn't mean I'd be OK with it happening or with Officer Thug falsifying stuff).
Absolutely, but my point was that, in the world of drunk-drivers, she was attempting to be somewhat responsible. It hurts me that the universe chose to match up someone like her with that idiot excuse of a cop.
blankfistsays...I didn't say there was "blanket support or hate" for cops. You doth project your own vintage of bullshit into every post, don't ye?
@blankfist, what sift have you been visiting? There has never been blanket support or hate for the cops here.
We've gone both ways depending on the situation.
Critical thinking, you should try it sometime
VoodooVsays...Nice double strawman there.(for lack of a better term for it)
Though I'm surprised you could see my one post in the *huge* sea of police apologists in this sift as you predicted...oh wait, there weren't any...not a single one. How embarrassing! Lots of call outs for misleading titles though. shock!
let me guess, you're going to backpedal now and claim you merely forgot to hit the sarcasm button on your post.
I know, I know, just blame it on statism again, surely it has to work eventually right? broken clock and all that.
misleading titles, obsession with statism, so predictable...so blankfist.
I didn't say there was "blanket support or hate" for cops. You doth project your own vintage of bullshit into every post, don't ye?
blankfistsays...^ Excellent grammar and punctuation! Brilliant comeback!
ChaosEnginesays...Actually, I believe that's a deliberate design. The main idea there is the lack of anything that can be used to self-harm.
And I'll also throw my hat in with the "police apologists". I've defended police on this site, when I feel it's warranted. I've equally condemned them where it's appropriate, as it is here.
But hey, judging cases on their merits is so much work! Gross generalisation FTW!
Hell, I find it odd the bench was concrete. Who approved the design of that holding area? hard edges and drunk people rarely go well together even if police brutality wasn't a factor.
I suppose it's another symptom of lowest bidder contracting
JiggaJonsonsays..."I pay for the police state then complain that it shouldn't exist and that people should vote with their dollars instead. Embrace the free market like I do and vote for the police state."
-@blankfist
"When I can't actually argue well, I call people Statist and make fun of their grammar. I'm so fucking smart for that."
-@blankfist
JiggaJonsonsays...@artician
Fuck the sarcasm button. Figure out what I mean based on context.
Paybacksays...I got it.
It was either that or you're a complete waste of life.
@artician
Fuck the sarcasm button. Figure out what I mean based on context.
lucky760says...To be fair, he excessively threw her into the cell, but he wasn't attempting to slam her face into the concrete.
He is wrong and should definitely be punished, but before watching it, I had the impression he was guilty of stomping her face or something, not just pushing her too hard through a doorway.
(Note I didn't watch the whole video, just when the actual injury occurred.)
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