Tea Party Reasoning

The brown shirts speak.
rougysays...

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."

John Stuart Mill

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

This idiot should have probably brushed up on Nicaraguan history before cozying up with the same movement that sent death squads to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Nicaraguan citizens. Google Iran-Contra. On second thought, considering his sociopathic demeanor, susceptibility to propaganda and military status, maybe this guy was a deathsquad mercenary in his youth.

JiggaJonsonsays...

FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE!!!!

UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN COMMUNISM OR SOCIALISM THEN YOUR FREEDOM SHOULD NOT BE!!!!

I FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY!!! FOR FREEDOM!!! NOT FOR FREEDOM FOR SOCIALISTS OR COMMUNISTS!!!

ARE YOU A COMMUNIST?!?! I THROW YOU IN THE RIVER!!!!

HollywoodBobsays...

Wow. Kinda makes you want to pick these guys out and just rile them up to retard strength and patriot rage, then take the beating. Lets see how they like a trip to capitalist prison.

Yogisays...

I wouldn't have been able to stand there with a camera on him. As soon as he started with that annoying ass voice I'd be with the "ok sir calm down." I'd actually engage him rather than sitting there with a camera in his face...seems like not gotcha journalism but paparazzi journalism. That is journalism designed to bring out the worst in people, and they oblige.

Yogisays...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

This idiot should have probably brushed up on Nicaraguan history before cozying up with the same movement that sent death squads to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Nicaraguan citizens. Google Iran-Contra. On second thought, considering his sociopathic demeanor, susceptibility to propaganda and military status, maybe this guy was a deathsquad mercenary in his youth.


Don't Google Iran-Contra...I don't suggest that as a good way of studying anything. There's plenty of books on the subject, you have to really look for the good ones though.

CreamKreatorsays...

This guy should study a little more. Socialism is NOT communism.. There is a huge difference, just look the history of these neighboring countries: Finland and Soviet Union. Not the same at all.

And somehow the reasoning that he fought for his country sounds like that he didn't fought for the people of the country. Did he fought for the idea of fat cats getting even fatter and poor shall have nothing? I think these kind of people would line up every homeless people against the wall and shoot them if given a chance. Along with handicapped, mentally ill, anybody really who can't be a good capitalist and take care of them selves without any help from anybody. Where does that lead us? Education is the next victim. No more decent public schools, everything is privatized, that's capitalism!

Capitalism doesn't work. Communism didn't work. Even pure socialism won't work. Any political ideology won't work by itself. They need to be mixed up, democratic capitalist socialism would be somewhere closer to perfect society. Or you can take the one thing out of that equation that causes pain and suffering more than any idea in the history of man: Money.

Sorry about the rant.

acidSpinesays...

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>> ^Farhad2000:

I'd love to be there and say am a communist.

frostysays...

Tea Party Reasoning? Typical sleazy political tactic -- take the behavior of a nut on the fringe of a movement and project that behavior on the movement at large. You know, every Democrat is an adulterer just like John Edwards.

Drachen_Jagersays...

"We should stop government! They shouldn't be allowed to do anything!"

"What about when it helps you and your friends?"

"Of course THOSE programs can stay. I just want to cut programs that help OTHER people."

"Oh... Well that makes sense. You're not a parasite at all..."

"I'm going to scream in your face now because you're hurting my brain. AAAAAAAHHHH COMMUNIST!"

"All righty then... If that's what works for you."


Does that pretty much summarize the Tea Party position?

Drachen_Jagersays...

Even the so called "reasonable" tea partiers are pretty whacked out man. I have yet to see one anywhere who even resembles a rational human being. Who would you point to as a mainstream/non lunatic fringe TPer?

>> ^frosty:

Tea Party Reasoning? Typical sleazy political tactic -- take the behavior of a nut on the fringe of a movement and project that behavior on the movement at large. You know, every Democrat is an adulterer just like John Edwards.

rougysays...

I was thinking the exact same thing.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

This idiot should have probably brushed up on Nicaraguan history before cozying up with the same movement that sent death squads to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Nicaraguan citizens. Google Iran-Contra. On second thought, considering his sociopathic demeanor, susceptibility to propaganda and military status, maybe this guy was a deathsquad mercenary in his youth.

rougysays...

>> ^frosty:

Tea Party Reasoning? Typical sleazy political tactic -- take the behavior of a nut on the fringe of a movement and project that behavior on the movement at large. You know, every Democrat is an adulterer just like John Edwards.


The Tea Party is a fringe movement.

And the man's reasoning is, probably, 90% in keeping with that of its membership, except he's a little more gung-ho and hostile about expressing it.

What did he say that the average Tea Party member would disagree with?

Skeevesays...

>> ^CreamKreator:

Capitalism doesn't work. Communism didn't work. Even pure socialism won't work. Any political ideology won't work by itself. They need to be mixed up, democratic capitalist socialism would be somewhere closer to perfect society.


I agree, Canada is closer to perfect society .

ForgedRealitysays...

His girlfriend is embarrassed as all hell. Seems like this guy was afraid to have to answer questions and thereby question his own steadfast beliefs.

And since when was government health care supposed to mean you don't have a choice? You'd still have the public health options. I don't get what's worse--this guy's ignorance in his own beliefs, or his inability to handle a little criticism of them. All the guy did was ask a question, and this crazy fuck flies off the handle. Wow.

zombieatersays...

>> ^CreamKreator:

This guy should study a little more. Socialism is NOT communism.. There is a huge difference, just look the history of these neighboring countries: Finland and Soviet Union. Not the same at all.
And somehow the reasoning that he fought for his country sounds like that he didn't fought for the people of the country. Did he fought for the idea of fat cats getting even fatter and poor shall have nothing? I think these kind of people would line up every homeless people against the wall and shoot them if given a chance. Along with handicapped, mentally ill, anybody really who can't be a good capitalist and take care of them selves without any help from anybody. Where does that lead us? Education is the next victim. No more decent public schools, everything is privatized, that's capitalism!
Capitalism doesn't work. Communism didn't work. Even pure socialism won't work. Any political ideology won't work by itself. They need to be mixed up, democratic capitalist socialism would be somewhere closer to perfect society. Or you can take the one thing out of that equation that causes pain and suffering more than any idea in the history of man: Money.
Sorry about the rant.


True socialism (at least in the Marx/Engles sense) does not use money; nor does communism. In fact, communism was largely seen as a "second step" after socialism.

Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they largely rely on democratic socialist principles. In fact, there has never been a true socialist or communist society, given the fact that these forms of government exclude the use of money.

I agree with your main point though...

BansheeXsays...

>> ^CreamKreatorAlong with handicapped, mentally ill, anybody really who can't be a good capitalist and take care of them selves without any help from anybody.

First of all, it is the noobiest of noob mistakes to say that capitalists can't be charitable. Charity can ONLY occur from capitalist money because it is a voluntary relinquishment by definition. Second, the only systems in which people become that destitute on average are socialist systems where production is punished and idleness is rewarded until there is very little productivity to actually be divided. Even I might feign illness and take from the pot you're so eager to fill for me. What are you going to do to stop people from doing that? Who is this grand assessor of value of which you speak?

I know, let's copy Finland, people who live much more modestly, spend 1% what we do on national defense, and don't have reserve currency priveleges, a truly insane example of socialism that could "work for us".

Where does that lead us? Education is the next victim. No more decent public schools, everything is privatized, that's capitalism!

Good, the whole problem with public schools is that it is a complex service financed on forcible appropriations. Normal businesses fear losing customers. These people don't. I've read articles of California superintendents embezzling thousands and then keep their pensions when they get out of prison. That's just the worst of the worst. The union collusion and retained voting rights has made it almost impossible to get teachers to eliminate themselves or take pay cuts. People are forced to pay their salaries and moving away from a good job is an uncertain substitute for true choice. Vouchers would be a huge step forward because it puts the spending power with the consumer instead of the provider. Teachers and those who hire them would suddenly fear losing business to other schools and would no longer be able to suck with impunity.

Capitalism doesn't work. Communism didn't work. Even pure socialism won't work. Any political ideology won't work by itself. They need to be mixed up, democratic capitalist socialism would be somewhere closer to perfect society.


Capitalism isn't a system of government, it's simply a term referring to the percentage of earnings controlled by earners. Socialism is the percentage of earnings controlled by non-earners. Nobody who advocates capitalism truly believes in taxless anarchy without courts or national defense. What we don't want is the government being used as a conduit to incentivize one legal behavior over another or benefit one business at the expense of another. You and everyone on this forum continue to vote for obvious corporatists, not me.

Then you throw around the term "democracy," big red flag for anyone who truly understands government. Democracy is mob rule. Clearly, some things should not be decided on a majority vote. That's why we are a REPUBLIC with a paper dictator called a constitution. The more we keep disobeying it, the more miserable we're going to become.

Or you can take the one thing out of that equation that causes pain and suffering more than any idea in the history of man: Money.



That's nonsense. Money is a commonly accepted medium of exchange to defeat the inefficiency of barter. It is, in essence, a product that is a placeholder for other products. That was truer when we were on gold than now, but still... Are you saying you don't want people to make stuff and trade with each other? Stop watching TV and read "Economics in One Lesson." It's only $10 on amazon.

All you people do is post videos of pissed off protesters who take positions without understanding them. Weaksauce.

rougysays...

@BansheeX, what are you talking about?

Pissed off protesters are what defines the Tea Party.

Reason? Intelligence? Tact? All conspicuously absent.

Pissed off idiots who think Obama's a communist and a nazi at the same time: that's the Tea Party in its entirety.

Bruti79says...

>> ^Golgi:

I'm pretty sure that's Al Pacino's Nicaraguan cousin, Sal Pacino.


Oh damnit, that one got me to snort laugh, damn you sir, and your clever quips!

AnimalsForCrackerssays...

Ah, bless that man's stupid, hateful little heart. I'm sure he's just a big ole' puppydog once you get past the paranoid delusions, tiny penis syndrome, and blindly patriotic xenophobia. Surely!

BansheeXsays...

^rougy: what are you talking about?
Pissed off protesters are what defines the Tea Party.
Reason? Intelligence? Tact? All conspicuously absent.
Pissed off idiots who think Obama's a communist and a nazi at the same time: that's the Tea Party in its entirety.



The only idiocy in the tea party movement are dumb party-line tards like you who think everything is the fault of "the other side" and then generalize everyone from a cherrypicked example. This guy doesn't look at the fact that Bush promised 14 trillion in prescription drugs with no way to pay for it any more than you look at the fact that Democrats started Vietnam. You think I don't go to gun shows and laugh at all the "conservatives" displaying their Obama Socialist signs when all he's done is continued Bush's policies on a grander scale?

Here, it's my turn. This is 1% as intelligent as anything that moron spat out, or even Sarah Palin, who I consider a total puppet. And it came from a Democratic congressman, not some random disgruntled civilian. Clearly, he typifies the intelligence of liberals! Touche!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

rougysays...

Democrats started Vietnam? Man, you're reaching. Never mind the fact that your claim is a gross simplification of what was, at the time, a set of very complex (and yes, deceitful) circumstances.

And defending the Tea Partiers. Oh, the company you keep. Does it strike a nerve? Have you noticed that your general demeanor and tone is not far removed from the brave, former Nicaraguan Contra in the video above?

You know, the guys who used to kill women and children and priests because they were "communists."

Never mind the fact that you couldn't tell me what he said that 90% of the Tea Partiers disagree with.

Nice little dodge there, but then, who could blame you?

You have nothing to stand for, save perhaps your greed.

>> ^BansheeX:

^rougy: what are you talking about?
Pissed off protesters are what defines the Tea Party.
Reason? Intelligence? Tact? All conspicuously absent.
Pissed off idiots who think Obama's a communist and a nazi at the same time: that's the Tea Party in its entirety.


The only idiocy in the tea party movement are dumb party-line tards like you who think everything is the fault of "the other side" and then generalize everyone from a cherrypicked example. This guy doesn't look at the fact that Bush promised 14 trillion in prescription drugs with no way to pay for it any more than you look at the fact that Democrats started Vietnam. You think I don't go to gun shows and laugh at all the "conservatives" displaying their Obama Socialist signs when all he's done is continued Bush's policies on a grander scale?
Here, it's my turn. This is 1% as intelligent as anything that moron spat out, or even Sarah Palin, who I consider a total puppet. And it came from a Democratic congressman, not some random disgruntled civilian. Clearly, he typifies the intelligence of liberals! Touche!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

Sigh - is the Sift STILL parroting HuffPo talking points about the Tea Party? The Tea Party is a huge group of citizens who are against debt spending, huge deficits, and expansion of social entitlements in a time of economic difficulty. Millions of citizens who are concerned about the self-destructive path of our domestic policy are no longer the 'silent' majority.

The left can't bring itself to admit that the Tea Party is a legitimate, sensible majority of the American people. This is in despite of polls that show the Tea Party is comprised of Republicans, Moderates, Independants, Blacks, Hispancis, and - yes - even Democrats who all happily inhabit the same tent. The fact that this group is so wide-spread and ecclectic is exactly why Obama is tanking in the polls, and why the Democrat congress is facing the prospect of being gutted like a sea-bass in November.

I've said it before - but you lefties and Democrats need to learn a lesson REAL fast. You're making the same mistake Bush2 made. He ignored the people who opposed his Iraq policy. The right tried to paint Iraq protesters as a bunch of astroturfed Democrats. It was true Democrats were actively supporting the rallies. It was true there were more than a few genuine lunatics in the anti-war movement. But ultimately the truth was that the protests reflected the true feelings of the majority. Bush ignored that, and paid for it.

Obama & the Democrats are currently doing the exact same thing by trying to marginalize the Tea Party. They're trying to paint a false picture that the Tea Party is a bunch of fringe racist kooks, and only astroturfed goons could possibly align with it. Bull. The Tea Party is supported by Republicans - true. The Tea Party does have a small number of kooks in it - true. But - like the Iraq protests - these things do NOT mean it isn't a legitimate, large-scale movement that reflects the will of the vast majority of Americans.

Truth. Ignore it at your peril, neo-libs.

Shepppardsays...

I posted this on another thread, but maybe you just didn't see it, so I'd like to repost it, because I'd really like a response.

Winston, I really have to ask, what is your true goal on videosift?

In the past two years, you've voted up Three things, All of the comments you've written that are able to be seen are either of you bashing Obama, democrats, or Praising fox news..

Really, do you honestly -just- come on this website to argue and troll?

Yeah, your opinion is your own.. but you've never tried to even sift a video. Ever. All you truly ever seem to do is stir up a commotion..

Maybe you're a sock puppet so your main account doesn't get a bad rep.. or maybe you are just a troll, but I truly want to ask.. If you're not here for the videos, then why not just go to a forum somewhere?

Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

Well - first off I'd dispute it when you say "all of the comments" I make "bash Obama" or "praise FOX News". I accurately criticize Obama/Democrat policy. That isn't bashing per se, though it may be seen that way by those who disagree. As far as "praising FOX" - hardly. I criticize the MEDIA as a whole. FOX is no avatar of virtue to me. What I find odious is when people here are willing to lambaste FOX when it exhibits bias, while at the same time praising equally biased crap from MSNBC, CBS, TDS, ABC, etc...

But - to your question... My 'purpose'? You call it commotion. I call it discourse. I present the opinions of an average American who believes in fiscal conservatism, limited government, and constitutional constructionism. If you disagree with an opinion, then grapple with it in the crucible of ideas. If you find such an exercise wearisome, then withdraw yourself. I am delighted to advocate a position that I believe in, and consider the resulting discussion an educational experience. That is because I do not fear encountering other ideas, even though I may not agree with them. Sometimes I am strident, but I do not attack specific people (Sifters) as a rule of thumb (public figures all bets are off though).

Njalsays...

I want to put on a red suit and hand out cookies at an event like this.
That would probably be my last bad idea tho because some aggressive ass hat like this guy would probably murder me.

CreamKreatorsays...

Or you can take the one thing out of that equation that causes pain and suffering more than any idea in the history of man: Money.


That's nonsense. Money is a commonly accepted medium of exchange to defeat the inefficiency of barter. It is, in essence, a product that is a placeholder for other products. That was truer when we were on gold than now, but still... Are you saying you don't want people to make stuff and trade with each other? Stop watching TV and read "Economics in One Lesson." It's only $10 on amazon.


Yes i do mean we could all live with out money. Lets value the true worth of ones work to community.. Do you really think that money is the ultimate asnwer? It is someting we humans thought of to make things a little simpler as bartering had it's disadvantages. And by bartering one can't collect such a huge amounts of wealth in one lifetime, all that lead us to the point where a small percentage of people in the world own most of the wealth. Is that right? Some poor schmuck in Thailand is working his ass of to produce for us the cheap tuna that we eat. A good socialist would think that it is just plain wrong. I don't mean that hard work and commitment shouldn't be appreciated, yes of course, that is EXACTLY what i mean. Why should a construction worker make more money in Switzerland than in India? Just let all people have what they deserve, not what we in the western society think they deserve.

And that private schooling? Yes, i bet that the overall quality would raise but what about those who then simply can't afford to pay for it? Will you let them stay in the low income slums and make products for us. Class strugles should be a thing in the past by now, we are smarter than that. Hell, let's put the low class monkeys to prison so we won't have to pay them anything. We can keep them there for years for stealing a cigarrette or smoking a joint. Really?

US of A, i despise you more and more every day and i use to look at you in awe and wonder. The land of the free.. Right.. Just look at the health reform... Let the poor get sick and die, let's just hope that they manage to multiply before the massgrave so we can have more SLAVES!

And the next comment after this probably says i'm a terrorist.. Far from it, pacifist whose grand dad went to jail for not picking up a gun, as did my dad. We should all be free of organized religion, free of the monetary powers, free to be humans. No we are alla just slaves.

Sorry about the rant again but this thing just ticks me off. And i'm afraid that something so bad will happen if these things are allowed to continue. And by the way, i don't even own a TV...

CreamKreatorsays...

Money is something we have just because we haven't thought hard enough for something that really DOES work. It is just a step in the human history and will be replaced by some other system. Then people will look back and think "oh, how stupid they were"...

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