*promote horace and pete,and alan fucking ALDA!

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Can someone tell me if I should be offended by what the bartender said, because he seemed to make sense?

The fact that no white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history points to a deeper problem then the simple use of the n-word by white men who continue to find ways to use it without consequence.

I think that's totally up to you to decide.

What he ignores is that what you say IS something you are doing...with your mouth. Being verbally derogatory gives others permission to go farther.
Actions are more important and telling, but words still matter. They set the tone for actions to come.

That said, he has every right to say and think whatever he likes, imo...but listeners have a right to react (reasonably) as they like.

Slightly off-topic, can you provide any researched sources for the "fact" you cited? (hyperbole.com doesn't count)

Would have been a lot more effective if they'd shown the converse as well (someone who is PC doing something racist).

The effort it took to respond was more then it takes to perform a google search to see for yourself. But if sincere ignorance or conscientious stupidity is why you asked this question then in all honesty the truth is not what you are after.

To be fair, google is piss poor at presenting these kinds of stats, and my google searches for this info took me about 10 minutes, far longer than it took him to write a short response.

What I found was that many have been CHARGED with murder, but usually are found guilty of the lesser included charge of manslaughter if they're found guilty at all, and that's also true when the victim is white.
Can you find stats of white police convicted of murdering white men to compare...and can you actually point us to a .gov url with the stats you cited? I couldn't find any at all on google, nor could I find anything saying no cop has ever been convicted of murdering a black man. I looked.
I did find that in the last 2 years at least the number of cops convicted of any murder was zero, and in the last 12 years there have been 13 convictions for manslaughter/murder (they didn't split them up, but I would assume they were all actually just manslaughter).

Why should I do your work for you and research your "facts"? I challenged you to back up your claim. Especially when you speak in absolutes. Until then it comes across like the usual flippant superficial ignorant stupid picket sign verbiage that passes for "facts" these days.

Convince me, there must be some studies on the subject that all draw the same conclusion, that you read and are now citing.

But no doubt since I challenge you that can only mean I'm one of "them", right?

Donald Trump or Glenn Beck would no doubt say Google it when they spew out something and get challenged on it.

There was no claim made. There was only a factual statement about a truth that was shared. Asking for proof of a white male police officer being convicted of murdering a black male is like asking some one to capture Big Foot or trap the Loch Ness monster. There will always be those who believe they saw it somewhere, but the fact is they don't exist.

Sorry dude, you did in fact make a claim. It's right there on the page, for everyone to see: "The fact that no white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history".

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, until you started denying you'd made a claim at all. Thanks for playing, but brush up on your discussion skills before you try again.

Fact. a thing that is indisputably the case.
Fact. No white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history.

Claim. state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
Claim. The previous fact is not true.

That is not a fact until you have EVIDENCE for it, until then, it's a claim.

In general, the requirement for evidence is inversely proportional to the probability of the claim. If I say the sky is blue, most people don't need evidence of that because it fits with their world experience. If I say I'm the second coming of Christ, I damn well better start turning water into wine to prove my case.

Your CLAIM is that no white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in America's entire history. I'm willing to accept that it's possible, but I'm not willing to take it as a fact until you can provide a reputable source.

And no, it's nothing like big foot or the loch ness monster. Criminal convictions are a matter of public record.

As it happens, I can't find any records of a police officer being convicted of murder (although there are several for manslaughter).

Doesn't make your childish behaviour any better though.

I just want to point out that I posted this video because it reminded me of another classic show from many years ago, All in the Family.

As to my personal opinion, we need to get past words, guys and gals. I am a white male of Italian descent. In my life I have been called a lot of names, by people of all ethnic backgrounds. I have been called a wop, a dago, a greasy (wop/dago), a cracker, whitey, and many other things. As a kid, it definitely hurt sometimes, but I came to understand that it could only hurt me if "I" let the names define me as a person. The N word, the C word, whatever word, only can hurt you if you allow it to do so.

Now treating someone different, directly based on their ethnicity, that is something that needs to be addressed. It will ALWAYS need to be addressed because human nature is to shun differences. In the US, we have problems with racism and sexism, but out of all the countries I can think of, we are blended enough that it is actually (slowly) starting to work out. We definitely aren't the worst, even countries in Europe that pride themselves on being accepting of diversity are flipping their shit right now with the influx of so many strange people (refugees). Countries like Japan and states like Hawaii, that is where you need to visit if you want to see some hardcore cultural racism.

I'm beginning to think you're fully aware of what you're saying and that you're just trolling at this point.

You cannot possibly be quoting a definition that is 100% applicable to your own statement as some kind of evidence that your statement does not fit the definition. And yet, you did.

I don't have the patience to deal with this kind of shit, and if it weren't for insomnia, I wouldn't have the time either.

Asking for proof and not having it spoon fed to you does not invalid something that is true.

Michael Slager plead guilty for using excessive force in the shooting death of Walter Scott. He was not convicted of murder even after america saw the video of the killing and the crime scene staging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlftjheqy2A

The fact stands true and will continue to remain true until the day a court makes a conviction. This is not a claim and to continue to dispute or argue that which is true is just a demonstration of something just as sinister as racism, but more disturbing.

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No. YOU made the claim, it's up to YOU to back it up.

It's not about being "spoon fed", it's about the basic rules of debate. If a claim is made, unless the claim is either obvious (the sky is blue) or has a well-known body of evidence (evolution is real, climate change is man made, homoeopathy doesn't work) then the person making the claim needs to back it up.

The claim that "no white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history" fits neither of those criteria. It's not obvious, and there isn't well-known evidence for it.

So once again, you need to back up your claim.

Otherwise, it's hard to take you seriously in a discussion.

Excuse me. You made an outrageous blanket claim. You offered zero evidence or proof of your unlikely claim. If it were fact, you could prove it instead of winging and whining.

You said you could find it on Google in less time than it took to ask for it.
You have now replied 4 times with derision and hilarious cranial rectosis, but still are completely unable to find any actual evidence or proof.

One example of one case in no way makes your point. If a prosecution was successful just once, it invalidates your claim. That could mean 100000000 murdering cops were not convicted, and you would still be dead wrong.

Your inability to comprehend the difference between fact and claim, even when you provide the definition of each, is evidence of cranial rectosis, more evidence than you've provided to support your claim, but it's not proof. Your continuing inability to produce the evidence you claimed was simple to find makes me think you're just a liar that can't admit they were caught making shit up. Prove me wrong.

Now Slager plead guilty to violating civil rights, in order to get the State's murder charge dropped. But that doesn't seem all that uncommon, especially given that the case likely would be a constant and very public drain on the local system. The interesting part is that they are still recommending sentencing be based on those for second degree murder. So while he plead to something else, the punishment will likely match the crime.

Once again a fact was stated.
No white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history.

No claim was made. A claim by definition leaves the possibility for the statement to be false.

The statement is true and if you are demanding evidence there are many accredited places of higher education that for a nominal fee will educate you. With that education you can become your own expert and conclude for yourself the statements validity.

Repeating the same bullshit over and over doesn't do a thing to respond to the issues that have been pointed out by everyone else in the discussion.

It does, however, provide enough evidence to convince me that you're simply a troll, not the worst we've seen, but not a particularly advanced one either. I'm done here, and I'd recommend everyone simply stop feeding him.

Technically, the first time I said I didn't have the patience for it, not that I was done with it.

Well, I think there's better stuff to talk about with respect to this video than debating the claim made above. Here's a BBC article that says there are many cases where police go free after killing black people but that there are a few cases where police have been convicted. So that is that.

A common tactic employed by those who wish to suppress the truth is to become dismissive, devalue and attempt to marginalize the individual. It works as effective propaganda on the masses who need to believe atrocities and genocide could not possibly take place on american soil. But hey! texas released a text book that called slaves hard workers. Some could argue that is more insulting then using the n-word.

No court cases found? was an attempt even made? Let's make it the next X Prize.

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I think that's the best part of the entire clip. It's not set up with a right/wrong character or position. It's taking the grayness of race relations and actual real honest people and putting in your face. People are more than their race, and the trite simple 'rules' often used to decide if someone is good/evil and racist or not rarely apply in the real world.

Sleepers are awaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep2wA9KpiXE

It's an alternative fact when you make a blanket statement that includes "ever, all, never, etc" and when you tell other people to verify it for you, with Google, YouTube, etc. Or your reply is along the lines of "c'mon dude, just look around, haven't you been paying attention?" That's not dealing with facts or truth.

It comes across like a college freshman who is repeating something that rolls off the tongue, then goes blank when challenged on it. Do some post-grad work on your claims, do some research, do your homework.

You mean like you did in your very first response? LOL.

I guess you also don't understand the difference between asking for verification of an unlikely claim and outright contradiction. That seems to be the norm when people who don't really know what they're talking about are challenged on their baseless claims, they assume they are being contradicted and become indignant, but never even try to make their own case.

The fact still remains the same and the statement is still true.

No white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history.

This is not a claim. It is the truth. Accepting the truth is a choice to be made by the individual and if you do not accept it then that is ok. There are many non believers of facts to keep you company and there is always enough bliss to go around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvaE_HCMimQ

To make a statement of fact about something that is true is not an attempt to be annoying insensitive nor is it I that is slow to understand. Please have a cookie there are enough for everyone.

Did you not read the BBC article I posted above? White police officers have been convicted of killing black people in some cases.

If you want anyone else to consider your salacious claim a fact, you must back it up. I was perfectly prepared to be on board, given some evidence, but certainly not based solely on someone's unsupported internet claim.
The fact that you still can't offer a shred of the proof you claimed would take seconds to find means it's even less likely to be true, and far more likely you just spouted some bullshit and won't admit it.
The fact that you keep making the same non argument that invalidates your own position means it's almost certain you're a troll, because the only alternative is you are the most dense person I've ever conversed with.
Thanks for the laughs.

american's out source so much already. It is as if the sense of entitlement one has to demand another to do work for little or no compensation continues from the founding of the country on the backs of slaves to the present day.

The fact that no white male police officer has ever been convicted for murdering a black male in america's entire history will sadly remain a fact until the day you die. You have your entire lifetime to accept it or live in denial. So have a cookie. Trust me by the time you finish eating it you will feel better.

Dave Cheppelle explains what you are doing eloquently.

The worst thing to call somebody is crazy, it's dismissive....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56qUENYYjxE

Fortunately facts are immune to being dismissed. The truth can not be unheard, it is a part of your thoughts and you live with it now.

Calling someone crazy might be dismissive, but that doesn't mean it's not the correct attitude to take.

You don't have to give every opinion equal validity, you can easily dismiss certain ideas.

Creationists? Crazy. Dismissed.
Homeopaths? Crazy. Dismissed.
Climate Deniers? Sneaky disingenuous fuckers who are either crazy or lying through their teeth. Either way, dismissed.
Alex Jones? Batshit fucking insane. Dismissed.

You? Either crazy, ignorant or trolling, but you've certainly used up all the good will that was extended to you to prove your case. So yeah.... dismissed.

Wow, haven't seen a discussion thread this long on a video here in quite some time! Good job C-note, you've inspired so many on this site. It's beautiful.

I found this page which lists American police officers who have been convicted of murder. I couldn't find any black victims of white officers with certainty, as there are a few with no photo or description of the victim. I can say that of the victims who are described in some manner, nearly all appear to fall into one of three categories: white women, ex-lovers and/or a lover's other lover, or mob-related hits. There are a couple of black victims, but in each case the officer was also black.

So while C-note's CLAIM can't be verified off of the above, it appears to support it. Let's call it a theory for the time being and move on with our lives. C-note, buddy, please believe me that what you originally stated was a claim rather than a fact. Really you should believe me, because it's a fact that I'm very smart. Go ahead and google for evidence to the contrary, but you won't find it. Which means it's a fact, right? That's you. That's how you talk.

Associating a fact with other claims does not make it any more or less true. And use of the dismissive tactic of calling a person crazy has been bestowed upon many. Yet the earth does orbit the sun and humans evolve and most impotent of all ...

No white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history.

You what else I can do to dismiss you? I can ignore you.

If that is a fact only you can prove it. Any competent person can prove the fact that no white police officer has ever been convicted for murdering a black male in america's entire history.

wow...this thread took a very unexpected path didn't it?

is nobody going to comment about the awesomeness that is alan FUCKING alda?

how about that show by louis ck,horace and pete?
great show right?
i know i am a huge fan.

Ok....
As I see him, he seemed to concentrate too much on the 'morality' part of 'morality play' while minimizing the 'play' part. I, like many, think that's what killed MASH. This play seemed along those lines, where his message is more important than entertainment. Certainly there's a market for that, but I'm not part of it. I get turned off when comedies get preachy.
You asked. ;-)

The hilarious part is that c-note is probably right about the cops. But he was being a total ass about it.

Alan Alda is great and I'm definitely going to watch this show.

But if you think that racism is only what you do, not what you say, I have a simple experiment for you.

Find a black/asian/jewish/hispanic person and do something nice for them. Help them change a tyre or carry their groceries. When they say thanks, reply "no problem, <insert ethnic slur of choice>", and watch them realise how not-racist you're being!

A fact needs nothing from me to be true. A fact is what it is regardless of any individuals existence. The fact that no white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history requires nothing from any individual to substantiate this reality.

I bow with humility and gratitude for your words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CX_5D6y6E

Let's try this...what verifiable evidence do you know of that made YOU consider this assertion a fact? Anything?